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Monumental Tragedy
« on: April 16, 2007, 10:56:22 AM »
Chief: At least 20 dead in campus shootings


CNN) -- The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning.

"Some victims were shot in a classroom," Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)

The attacks mark the worst school shooting incident since 1999 when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries.

Sharon Honaker at the Carilion New River Valley Medical Center told CNN that four patients had been transported there, one in critical condition.

One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, the engineering science and mechanics building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene )

The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.

Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."

The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele.

Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.

"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.

Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.

"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.

Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs )

"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."

Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.

The university is updating its 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.

"A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows," read a warning from the university.

"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 11:08:33 AM »
Those of us living in Va know that most of the state have connetions to either UVA or Tech.
people in a mess out here, trying to find out about loved ones.

And to think i nearly went to Tech...

Now we'll get the long pointless debate about gun-control, violent music and video games.

I have to ask, why these ppl can never just take they own life, why they have to end it for others as well?

Also, this kind of comment that could start fights, but you could imagine what a typical day in Iraq or Darfur, or any number of war-torn areas must be like?
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 11:10:39 AM »
i doh get it ... why?  why do members of the human race feel is OK to take life?
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 11:12:35 AM »
i doh get it ... why?  why do members of the human race feel is OK to take life?
dis real sad.
 ah wonder if is an ex student or soemthign?
is this situation still on going??

pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 11:15:59 AM »
my prayers and best wishes go out to the victims and their families

may their God give them ALL the strength they may need to deal with this very sad situation.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 11:20:21 AM »
i was just reading this myself.....sad sad day  :'(

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 11:21:59 AM »
I just saw this on the TV at lunch time. Terrible, terrible. :'(
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 11:39:48 AM »
de numbers are increasing

Now 29 confirmed dead (including the shooter)

real sad
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 11:40:55 AM »


pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.


OUCH!!  :-X




That real sad.. TWENTY people? dred.....why dem fellahs jus doh off deyself first and done?
wiping out innocent people and wrecking twenty families because dey selfish

This will definitely ignite the gun control debates and sad to say but finally focus the news on something newsworthy rather than crap like Imus and anna nichole
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 11:45:49 AM »


pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.


OUCH!!  :-X




That real sad.. TWENTY people? dred.....why dem fellahs jus doh off deyself first and done?
wiping out innocent people and wrecking twenty families because dey selfish

This will definitely ignite the gun control debates and sad to say but finally focus the news on something newsworthy rather than crap like Imus and anna nichole

for real..
like america media tryign they best to ignore alld e people dying in de middle east.
death is a death.
this is very sad. but happens often enought o take note in northamerica
shooting in unis
any of the premier psychologists in here have a theorY?
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 12:07:23 PM »
This am when the story first break they mentioned 1 dead... now I juss eating meh lunch and flicking by cnn.. WOW! Can't even imagine being a parent wondering about my child.

BTW.. have anyone peeped Truetrini lately?.. since he get buff on the forum (love/tabanca is ah funny ting oui) as juss hope eh eh gone kookoo!


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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 12:20:48 PM »
This am when the story first break they mentioned 1 dead... now I juss eating meh lunch and flicking by cnn.. WOW! Can't even imagine being a parent wondering about my child.

BTW.. have anyone peeped Truetrini lately?.. since he get buff on the forum (love/tabanca is ah funny ting oui) as juss hope eh eh gone kookoo!




de man was posting yesterday

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=26808.msg300490#msg300490
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 12:21:28 PM »
Fox news saying 32 dead, 28 wounded. The man shoot 60 people...
But is Fox, so I would take that # with a heavy dose of salt.

The internet is an interesting place. where people like you and me can speak your mind anonymously. So on some other sites I frequent the debate has already turned to Gun Control.

the pro-side says, if he couldn't buy these guns, he wouldn't be able to shoot all these people.
the con side says, if other people in class had guns, one of them woulda kill him already.

Of course, the ultimate responsibility for violence rests with the person committing it. The only people I give a pass to are soldiers. if you decide to chop up your wife. gun control doesn't help her.

Like much in America though there is no middle groud on contentious issues, it's eiter one view or the other.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 12:28:22 PM »
de problem is not Gun Control or  Freedom to bear arms ..

I tink de real issue is what in the culture and value systems allow these incidents to manifest.

These tragedies have occurred in one form or another over the history of mankind.

Global communication allow these incidents to reach our homes in no time at all.  Before we did not know about it or did not get de ful story.

At times like dis, I wonder about the viability of the human race to survive as a species.

I wonder how many ppl will die in Bagdad today (an Yes, I realize dat Iraq is a war zone and Virgina Tech was not)




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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 12:29:49 PM »
Fox news saying 32 dead, 28 wounded. The man shoot 60 people...
But is Fox, so I would take that # with a heavy dose of salt.

The internet is an interesting place. where people like you and me can speak your mind anonymously. So on some other sites I frequent the debate has already turned to Gun Control.

the pro-side says, if he couldn't buy these guns, he wouldn't be able to shoot all these people.
the con side says, if other people in class had guns, one of them woulda kill him already.

Of course, the ultimate responsibility for violence rests with the person committing it. The only people I give a pass to are soldiers. if you decide to chop up your wife. gun control doesn't help her.

Like much in America though there is no middle groud on contentious issues, it's eiter one view or the other.


CNN say 31 dead.....so far.   :'(   :'(
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2007, 12:34:26 PM »
geez, that is a real madman let loose.  :(

if you want to keep the hospitals and morgues busy. if you want to keep the lead industry and firearms industry churning out product. if you are a true capitalist and your soul tied to GDP, then gun control is a bad thing.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2007, 12:34:46 PM »
de problem is not Gun Control or  Freedom to bear arms ..

I tink de real issue is what in the culture and value systems allow these incidents to manifest.

These tragedies have occurred in one form or another over the history of mankind.

Global communication allow these incidents to reach our homes in no time at all.  Before we did not know about it or did not get de ful story.

At times like dis, I wonder about the viability of the human race to survive as a species.

I wonder how many ppl will die in Bagdad today (an Yes, I realize dat Iraq is a war zone and Virgina Tech was not)






or right  :'(


cbc saying 31 dead
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2007, 12:57:57 PM »
academics is real badman.

_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.

_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and        Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.

_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.

_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.

_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.

_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

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academics is real badman.

_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.

_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and        Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.

_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.

_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.

_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.

_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.
look how much ah dem is murder suicides.. and americans claim to eb flabbergasted about suicide bombers. and even kamakazie during world war 2
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2007, 01:14:28 PM »
wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here.  wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2007, 01:17:38 PM »
geez, that is a real madman let loose.  :(

if you want to keep the hospitals and morgues busy. if you want to keep the lead industry and firearms industry churning out product. if you are a true capitalist and your soul tied to GDP, then gun control is a bad thing.

The guns laws in the state of virginia are somewhat antiquated. Unfortunately the powers that be have the NRA's backing.
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2007, 01:24:56 PM »
Dis is really sad  >:( On the news this morning before ah leave home it was 1 dead and 17 injured...now ah reading 31 dead  :o and the 2nd shooting happened 2 hrs after the 1st...what happened between that time  ??? dis place crazy oui

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2007, 01:27:37 PM »
as far as i can tell, he shoot somebody on one side of campus, then while all the police and security over there he went to the other side of campus and started systematically shooting people over there. Possibly chaining the doors to prevent escape.

This wasn't no crime of passion, no tabanca ting, he plan this one out.
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2007, 01:28:50 PM »
academics is real badman.

_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.

_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and        Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.

_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.

_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.

_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.

_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

in canada there was the marc lepine thing in montreal - dec 6, 1989. 14 dead. 14 injured.


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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2007, 01:39:30 PM »
wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here.  wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.

There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.

That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.



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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2007, 01:58:55 PM »
wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here.  wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.

There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.

That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.




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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2007, 04:24:16 PM »
wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here.  wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.

There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.

That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.
Blessings noname.

I just heard about this and turned to CNN for the Press Conference.

All you could hear is loaded questions to the University administration and police basically condemning them for not handling the situation perfectly. They of course have hindsight and incomplete information yet they are making judgement calls about what should have been done and what was inadequate.

At a time when the main objective is to notify families and understand what happen the questions are what will be done in the future and what is the plan for these (very unpredictable) occurences.

There really is no way to handle these situations outside of being in a canstant state of emergency. A person bent on murder suicide and in possession of easily concealable handguns is an almost unstoppable threat.

Another thing that irks me is the "delight" in staistics. They alsmost take pleasure in notifying us that this is "the worst shooting tragedy in US history". In other words "this is a big news story so do not miss it, (our ratings will be great)"

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2007, 08:13:43 PM »
well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
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Re: Monumental Tragedy
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2007, 09:32:45 PM »
well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there

The roving reporters/corbeauxs looking for something to feed on and think they've found sufficient meat. The University president might be forced to resign after this one.

I just got word that we lost 3 people from our dept, a brilliant faculty member, a graduate student and a senior undergraduate. My undergraduate assistant lost two of his good friends as well. Keep your thoughts and with the families. Plenty pieces to pick up.

Thanks to all. The trinis/caribbean students at the university have been largely accounted for.

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Re: Monumental Tragedy
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2007, 09:38:57 PM »
well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
People just like to find fault, instead of more positive thing like discussing how to be able to deal with this type of situation in a different way in the future.

Noname, all my prayers to your Dept and
I real hope this does not happen
"The University president might be forced to resign after this one. " Why ???
Whatever you do, do it to the purpose; do it thoroughly, not superficially. Go to the bottom of things. Any thing half done, or half known, is in my mind, neither done nor known at all. Nay, worse, for it often misleads.
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