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T&T's gas reserves running on E
« on: May 02, 2007, 09:53:44 AM »



TT running on empty
By RICHARDSON DHALAI
Trinidad & Tobago Newsday
Wednesday, May 2 2007


PRESIDENT of the Oilfield Workers’ Trade Union (OWTU) Errol McLeod during his May Day speech yesterday, predicted that the country’s vast gas reserves will be depleted over the next nine years.

He also called on citizens not to give Prime Minister Patrick Manning and his Government a constitutional majority in the upcoming General Elections or else, “all of us in real trouble.”

Speaking at a rally at Harris Promenade in San Fernando, McLeod went on to denounce the food importation policy.

Noting that this country’s developmental projects were based on its oil and gas reserves, he alleged that local gas reserves would be depleted by 2016, contrary to claims of a sufficient supply made by both Manning and Energy Minister Dr Lenny Saith.

On April 26, Saith told a post-Cabinet press briefing at Whitehall that the award of a deepwater exploration contract to a Norwegian company shows the country still has new oil and gas reserves waiting to be discovered.

However, in typical biting mood, McLeod warned, “Our gas reserves would be depleted by 2016 and we are now pursuing access to border gas fields, but that is dependent in part on the relationship with those on the other side and of that 15 trillion cubic feet of gas, this country is only promised two trillion cubic feet.”

He said sustainable development should be based on investment in the food and agricultural industry “so when oil and gas are no more, we can sustain ourselves on food and agriculture.”

He further predicted that should an economic bust overtake the economy, reminiscent of what occurred in the 1980s, there would be an “explosion” in society.

McLeod said he was also reconsidering the reintroduction of the Independent People’s Integrity forum to inform the electorate on the real issues facing the country since both the ruling party and the Opposition forces were “two sides of the same coin.”

McLeod claimed that Government was now dependent on reserves contained in a cross border field controlled by another nation that would also control the vast majority of a 15 trillion cubic feet (tcf ) gas find.

McLeod said while Government was busy with its mass construction plans, people in Lachoos Road, Penal were without pipe-borne water.

McLeod said negotiations with UWI’s management team and the Public Sector Negotiation Committee (PSNC) and Powergen had to be concluded long before the June 19 Labour Day celebrations.

Under a fierce mid-morning sun, workers representing the OWTU, Communication Workers’ Union, (CWU), Steel Workers Union and Public Services Association, marched from Circular Road to Harris Promenade under the watchful eyes of dozens of heavily armed police officers — many of whom carried machine guns.

Similar rallies were also held simultaneously in Port-of-Spain.

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 11:10:18 AM »
is no wonder they pushing the smelter thru so fast.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 12:30:52 PM »
i eh know bout 9 years but i saying that since de whoel smelter talk come up. time to look for alternative sources of income for trinidad and tobago. this development far form sustainable
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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 03:06:19 PM »
the government should really be diverting funds towards the development of a post-oil & gas economy. i would really like to see the development of alternate & renewable energy sources in T&T. just look at the headlines these days, alternate energy is where the money going and that not will not stop. the technology evolving everyday, and we should get on board while we have the money and time.

whether we grow sugar cane to use to fuel cars (like Brazil) or we sponsor research & entrepeneurs looking to develop solar/wind/whatever else on the horizon, i think the gov't has a responsibility to the country to be forward thinking.

the country or company that could develop an energy source that is equivalent or superior to petroleum will have the world by it's balls and cash coming out dey ass like OPEC. do we want to remain energy independent or become dependent on the next energy cartel?

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 03:14:52 PM »
the government should really be diverting funds towards the development of a post-oil & gas economy. i would really like to see the development of alternate & renewable energy sources in T&T. just look at the headlines these days, alternate energy is where the money going and that not will not stop. the technology evolving everyday, and we should get on board while we have the money and time.

whether we grow sugar cane to use to fuel cars (like Brazil) or we sponsor research & entrepeneurs looking to develop solar/wind/whatever else on the horizon, i think the gov't has a responsibility to the country to be forward thinking.

the country or company that could develop an energy source that is equivalent or superior to petroleum will have the world by it's balls and cash coming out dey ass like OPEC. do we want to remain energy independent or become dependent on the next energy cartel?
ethanol from sugar cane is bigger than cane suga now....but nooooooo..we coudl be a leader in that area also...if they wnat to coninue with fuel production. me eh know what to sya bout these people...common sense seems ot be lackign in ever area

yup well said man. manning and dem wnat de caroni lands to buld houses. all our prime agri land going under construction soon.
that government is a joke....talkign about vision20/20
wah happen to de next 20-50 years after that.
absolute worse.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 03:57:31 PM »
Sugarcane juice can yield about 70 liters of ethanol per ton (http://www.renewingindia.org/newsletters/ethanol/past/news_vol5_09.htm)

Assuming T&T produces 100,000 tons of Sugar (in the 80's production was aroud 80,000 tons per year)
you'll get a yield of 7 million litres of ethanol.

Gasoline consumption in 1999 was 341 litres per person approx 500,000,000 litres

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/energy-resources/country-profile-182.html

if you were going to use ethanol blends in gasoline at a 5% rate, you'd need  25,500,000 litres

Corn has a higher ethanol yield. and even now there are skeptics that corn is the answer. Prairie grass seems to be getting a hard look in the US, since it doesn't affect the food supply.

Additionally, you can burn bagasse to produce electricity.
http://www.esi-africa.com/archive/esi_2_2004/44_1.php
cogen seems the best route, since crops are seasonal.






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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 04:06:27 PM »
Sugarcane juice can yield about 70 liters of ethanol per ton (http://www.renewingindia.org/newsletters/ethanol/past/news_vol5_09.htm)

Assuming T&T produces 100,000 tons of Sugar (in the 80's production was aroud 80,000 tons per year)
you'll get a yield of 7 million litres of ethanol.

Gasoline consumption in 1999 was 341 litres per person approx 500,000,000 litres

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/energy-resources/country-profile-182.html

if you were going to use ethanol blends in gasoline at a 5% rate, you'd need  25,500,000 litres

Corn has a higher ethanol yield. and even now there are skeptics that corn is the answer. Prairie grass seems to be getting a hard look in the US, since it doesn't affect the food supply.

Additionally, you can burn bagasse to produce electricity.
http://www.esi-africa.com/archive/esi_2_2004/44_1.php
cogen seems the best route, since crops are seasonal.







very nice reads n stats.
i thing your right. cogen is the best. in canada they use all de means avaibale...so ethanol, hydro eletric, nuclear,oil, fish etc. diversity is de key when it comes to enegy sources.
even the US start to look now at alternatives..even if its just a peep.
lawd help trini if manning end up de primeminister again. lawd  help trini if panday end up prime minister agian . what i really syaing is lawd help trini  :praying: :praying:
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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 05:12:33 PM »


Canada to ban incandescent bulbs
Trinidad Express
Wednesday, May 2nd 2007


OTTAWA - Canada will ban the sale of inefficient incandescent light bulbs by 2012 as part of a plan to cut down on emissions of greenhouse gases, Natural Resources Minister Gary Lunn said last week.

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 05:17:47 PM »
Conservation of resources is the furthest thing from the trinbagonian psyche.  How many people even pay attention or know much about proven reserves and all these things which have an impact on our long term planning.

We had a chance with the LNG in vehicles but that was so poorly supported is a flop.  Too little stations and long long lines.

When was the last time we had a published report about our proven reserves?
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 11:10:22 AM »
Sugarcane juice can yield about 70 liters of ethanol per ton (http://www.renewingindia.org/newsletters/ethanol/past/news_vol5_09.htm)

Assuming T&T produces 100,000 tons of Sugar (in the 80's production was aroud 80,000 tons per year)
you'll get a yield of 7 million litres of ethanol.

Gasoline consumption in 1999 was 341 litres per person approx 500,000,000 litres

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/energy-resources/country-profile-182.html

if you were going to use ethanol blends in gasoline at a 5% rate, you'd need  25,500,000 litres

Corn has a higher ethanol yield. and even now there are skeptics that corn is the answer. Prairie grass seems to be getting a hard look in the US, since it doesn't affect the food supply.

Additionally, you can burn bagasse to produce electricity.
http://www.esi-africa.com/archive/esi_2_2004/44_1.php
cogen seems the best route, since crops are seasonal.







very nice reads n stats.
i thing your right. cogen is the best. in canada they use all de means avaibale...so ethanol, hydro eletric, nuclear,oil, fish etc. diversity is de key when it comes to enegy sources.
even the US start to look now at alternatives..even if its just a peep.
lawd help trini if manning end up de primeminister again. lawd  help trini if panday end up prime minister agian . what i really syaing is lawd help trini  :praying: :praying:


You miss my point.
T&T doesn't have a large enough agricultural sector to produce enough ethanol to do anything. The best we can do is use the bagasse from cane to supplement power to a refinery.

In terms of conservation, there are 2 ways to go, the Govt can mandate changes, as is done in Japan,  or the market can make it worthwhile to conserve - when is the last time you see a returnable bottle lying around?

Funny enough, a smelter might provide an unintended environmental benefit. Since aluminum smelters use scrap aluminum as part of the input. Replacing all those PET sweet-drink bottles with cans will reduce the impact on landfills, and, by providing a value for the empties, encourage a network of can collectors who will do a pretty effective jobs of recycling the materials.

I think that sustainability had to be looked at in a cultural sense. The OWTU is correct about expanding the agricultural sector, but no matter how many programs there are, people do not want to do this.

Conservation is important, but people have a culture of indifference to that as well. I've seen garbage piled outside of a dumpster, rather than in it. Who is responsible for the fridges in the streams and dumps on the side of roads?

We want the trappings of a developed country without the sacrifices, without the responsibility.



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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 11:17:22 AM »
Sugarcane juice can yield about 70 liters of ethanol per ton (http://www.renewingindia.org/newsletters/ethanol/past/news_vol5_09.htm)

Assuming T&T produces 100,000 tons of Sugar (in the 80's production was aroud 80,000 tons per year)
you'll get a yield of 7 million litres of ethanol.

Gasoline consumption in 1999 was 341 litres per person approx 500,000,000 litres

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/energy-resources/country-profile-182.html

if you were going to use ethanol blends in gasoline at a 5% rate, you'd need  25,500,000 litres

Corn has a higher ethanol yield. and even now there are skeptics that corn is the answer. Prairie grass seems to be getting a hard look in the US, since it doesn't affect the food supply.

Additionally, you can burn bagasse to produce electricity.
http://www.esi-africa.com/archive/esi_2_2004/44_1.php
cogen seems the best route, since crops are seasonal.







very nice reads n stats.
i thing your right. cogen is the best. in canada they use all de means avaibale...so ethanol, hydro eletric, nuclear,oil, fish etc. diversity is de key when it comes to enegy sources.
even the US start to look now at alternatives..even if its just a peep.
lawd help trini if manning end up de primeminister again. lawd  help trini if panday end up prime minister agian . what i really syaing is lawd help trini  :praying: :praying:


You miss my point.
T&T doesn't have a large enough agricultural sector to produce enough ethanol to do anything. The best we can do is use the bagasse from cane to supplement power to a refinery.

In terms of conservation, there are 2 ways to go, the Govt can mandate changes, as is done in Japan,  or the market can make it worthwhile to conserve - when is the last time you see a returnable bottle lying around?

Funny enough, a smelter might provide an unintended environmental benefit. Since aluminum smelters use scrap aluminum as part of the input. Replacing all those PET sweet-drink bottles with cans will reduce the impact on landfills, and, by providing a value for the empties, encourage a network of can collectors who will do a pretty effective jobs of recycling the materials.

I think that sustainability had to be looked at in a cultural sense. The OWTU is correct about expanding the agricultural sector, but no matter how many programs there are, people do not want to do this.

Conservation is important, but people have a culture of indifference to that as well. I've seen garbage piled outside of a dumpster, rather than in it. Who is responsible for the fridges in the streams and dumps on the side of roads?

We want the trappings of a developed country without the sacrifices, without the responsibility.




ok i get yuh now. but as to how much benficial impact that smelter will ahve i eh know nah, especially pertianing to de down stream industries u refering to.
especially since after u mention bout our culture.
it seems today most people eh want to do what they consider hard wuk.
hence de agri sector suffering. even if its totally modernise..and economic benefits ar epotentially huge....i dont know who will do de manual labour...maybe dey go end up importaing labour to do dat also.

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2007, 11:35:38 AM »
Man already collecting bottles and tiefin copper to sell. so they will pick up cans if they can get paid.

As for the hard work part.
I think it's a two-fold problem.
One is a general unwillingness of current generations to accept that you have to work hard to be successful. you see it at all levels of society, poor people steal money, college kids cheat their way through school and then expect the $90,000 job coming out. Business men fudge accounts and manipulate stock to get cash. Everyone wants the easy life.

With respect to T&T specifically and in part Black America, the shift wasn't by accident. Our parents and grandparents wanted us to not have to do manual labour. Therefore the office job, the degree, was touted as the path up and out and the value of agriculture, and also business was devalued. (I've heard stories about what businessman started off walking around toting bolts of cloth on his head selling, they were looked down upon, but now they have the stores and the money, everybody vex.)

Now of course, book learning is devalued (no street cred in getting A's) and what's left?

Personally I see great opportunities available in T&T and the Caribbean to exploit technological advances and make a killing in the agri-sector. It's going to be hard work though...

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Duprey strikes gold in ethanol
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 12:39:54 PM »
Duprey strikes gold in ethanol
CL Financial chairman deepens investment in biofuel industry

Thursday 3rd May, 2007
Trinidad Express


Flashback:
Angostura Ltd executives: Michael Carballo, group company secretary from left; Patrick Patel, group executive director; and Curtis Mohammed, capital projects, engineering and maintenance. Mohammed is now general manager of Trinidad Bulk Traders Ltd.

BY VERNE BURNETT

CL Financial’s visionary chairman Lawrence Duprey seems to have struck gold again with his foray into the ethanol business, after finding success in methanol.

Two years ago when he created Trinidad Bulk Traders Ltd (TBTL), a subsidiary of Angostura Holdings Ltd, it was intended to take advantage of a significantly under-utilised quota under the Caribbean Basin Initiative (CBI) allowing duty free entry of ethanol—or fuel alcohol as it is more popularly known—into the US.

Duprey asked his bright young men and women to explore the feasibility of the project also with an eye to possible synergies between ethanol and the potable spirits which are the stock in trade of the group.

He believed he could craft a profitable business out of the continuing worldwide concern about the environment and energy security. “Those two items are the push factors for ethanol worldwide,” said Curtis Mohammed, general manager of TBTL.

Duprey could not have chosen a better time to get into the business. Already in high demand when he conceived the idea, the CL Financial chairman has seen worldwide demand for ethanol explode and the fuel become headline-making news. Indeed, global demand for ethanol is forecast to outstrip supply for the foreseeable future.

Ethanol got a big push when US President George W Bush recently mandated that the US must consume 35 billion gallons of biofuels by 2017 in an effort to reduce American dependence on oil. Bush believes the expanded use of ethanol could eventually help wean the US off its need for foreign oil, officials say, lessening energy dependence on volatile Middle Eastern nations and Venezuela where President Hugo Chavez has been increasingly strident of late in his anti-American rhetoric.

Future so bright

Curtis Mohammed, general manager of TBTL, said the company has contracts up to 2010 for the output of the existing plant and a firm two-year contract for the production from the second phase expansion. He also has some “good and firm contracts for three years.”

In a Wall Street Journal article published on March 9, Mohammed admitted that TBTL wasn’t profitable last year “because its 50-million-gallon-a-year dehydration plant couldn’t get enough fuel from Brazil.”

The paper quoted Mohammed as saying he is confident of profits this year.

Mohammed told the Guardian that last year was really the plant’s first full year of operation, its set up year, during which it was working out all the “little bugs.”

He also explained that the ethanol market was not favourable “which is a real risk for all persons entering this business.”

He said TBTL was also working out its relationship with Petrotrin but now things are more like “business as usual.”

He said, “at the end of the day it will be very good financially for our business here because we have worked out all the bugs. It will be good going forward. Definitely. we are going to make a profit this year.”

Indeed, Mohammed said the plant has “already surpassed our production commitments for this year.”

He observed that the cost of fuel alcohol on the world market is high and rising. He said fuel alcohol has even graduated to commodity status with increasing volumes being traded on exchanges.

In the overview to its Annual Energy Outlook 2007, the US Energy Information Administration, reporting on Energy Trends to 2030, said that “the use of alternative fuels such as ethanol, biodiesel and CTL, is projected to increase substantially...as a result of the higher prices projected for traditional fuels and the support for alternative fuels provided in recently enacted Federal legislation.”

The document went on to predict that the use of ethanol would rise from four billion gallons in 2005 to 14.6 billion gallons in 2030 (about eight per cent of total gasoline consumption by volume). It said that ethanol use for gasoline blending would rise to 14.4 billion gallons and E85 consumption 0.2 billion gallons in 2030.

Quick to build, quick to market

Facts about ethanol

Ethanol is made from corn, sugarcane, switchgrass and other plant materials. It has a variety of uses: it is heavily used as a solvent in the manufacture of varnishes and perfumes, essences and flavourings, medicines and drugs, in disinfectant and to preserve biological specimens.

However, its fastest growing use is as an additive in gasoline to produce E85, a blend of up to 85 per cent fuel ethanol and 15 per cent gasoline by volume, and E95, a blend of 95 per cent fuel ethanol and five per cent gasoline by volume.

Securing a large part of its financing at “extremely low interest rates” from a US ExportImport (Exim) bank and taking advantage of freezone status, the project was off and running despite a few early missteps which put the company in trouble with the Environmental Management Agency.

TBTL set to work constructing a 50 million gallon a year ethanol dehydration plant inside Petrotrin’s abandoned Point Fortin refinery compound, in an agreement exploiting synergies between the two companies.

Construction of the original plant began in January 2005 and the facility was online by August 2005. It began commercial production in September 2005. At a formal opening ceremony on September 12, 2005, Duprey said the plant was being built “to capitalise on the growing global demand for cleaner motor vehicle fuels.”

With plans for future expansion to 100 million gallons a year, TBTL is now moving ahead on schedule with the second unit that would double the output of the facility.

Discussing the project with representatives from a range of European spirits companies acquired by Angostura and executives from the group’s other subsidiaries at Angostura’s annual Spirits Group Technical Seminar and Workshop two months ago, Mohammed make the expansion sound like child’s play.

He said the plant was designed as two separate units of 50 million gallons each.

“The plan was to install a 100-million-gallon-a year plant; all the apparatus was for something on that scale. But from a commercial risk point of view, it was decided to put the heart in first because that lowers your working capital requirement and minimises your risk. During the course of the plant working we licked any problems in start up and operation, then we decided to go ahead and complete the rest.”

He said since all the infrastructure—including all the necessary engineering work for the second phase expansion—was done at the time the plant was established in 2005, phase two is virtually “plug and play,” to borrow an IT term. Mohammed said the expansion is expected to be completed and commissioned by June, 2007.

Backward integration

Ethanol is made from corn, sugarcane, switchgrass and other plant materials. It has a variety of uses: it is heavily used as a solvent in the manufacture of varnishes and perfumes, essences and flavourings, medicines and drugs, in disinfectant and to preserve biological specimens.

However, its fastest growing use is as an additive in gasoline to produce E85, a blend of up to 85 per cent fuel ethanol and 15 per cent gasoline by volume, and E95, a blend of 95 per cent fuel ethanol and five per cent gasoline by volume.

TBTL does not produce the alcohol itself but uses “feedstock” initially imported from Brazil and, more recently, also from Central America, China and other Asian countries.

Mohammed said the company would prefer to deal with a regional supplier who would grow the sugarcane and produce the alcohol. He said he has already held talks with the Guyana and St Kitts governments.

Mohammed said the company’s vision is to eventually integrate backwards into regional sugar production “once the political will and the economic backing is there.”

That means acquiring huge plantations, a proposal likely to be assisted by the collapse of the sugar industry in the Caribbean.

Indeed, Mohammed observed that people are talking more and more every day about converting the failing sugar production facilities in the region into ethanol production.

He estimated the company would need 150,000 acres of land to grow sufficient sugarcane to produce the alcohol it needs to meet the requirements of the existing 50 million gallon a year facility alone. To satisfy the expanded plant its needs would double to 300,000 acres of land.

“Where will I get that? Certainly not in Trinidad,” he said, answering the question of whether TBTL is talking to the Government about acquiring the assets of the defunct Caroni (1975) Ltd.

Mohammed acknowledged that “backward integration” will probably have to happen through arrangements with governments rather than outright ownership of the plantations. This is because all cane lands in the region are owned by governments rather than private companies, quite the opposite of what obtains in Brazil, for instance.

He added that such backward integration will produce synergies for the rest of the group as far as sugar sources and security of feedstock for molasses and cane juice and high test molasses. He said 90 per cent of the sugar cane production from these estates could be for the group’s commodity alcohol (fuel alcohol) business while the remaining ten per cent would go to its rum production.

Mohammed told participants at the Angostura Spirits Group Technical Seminar that the success of the project was due to the plant being quick to build and quick to market, and backed by a large and stable parent company. However, he said there were challenges: one was the uncertainty surrounding the CBI quotas and the other was “getting the State petroleum company—Petrotrin—to work with us.” VB

Another challenge

One of the challenges Curtis Mohammed failed to mention was the ever-present lobbying by US politicians against imported ethanol. Senators representing corn growing states are eager to erect barriers to keep foreign ethanol out of the US to protect US corn farmers.

But president of the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) Luis Alberto Moreno in an IDB article published February 7, pointed out that the US ethanol industry clearly cannot produce enough ethanol to meet the country’s needs.

“The limits of this approach are already apparent,” he said. “Corn prices shot up 80 per cent in 2006 due to booming demand from ethanol distilleries. Rising prices for cornflakes, corn tortillas and corn-fed beef could easily produce an anti-ethanol backlash among consumers.

“If US ethanol producers are struggling to meet today’s demand without unacceptable consequences, how are they supposed to supply the vastly greater quantities envisioned by President Bush’s proposal?

“The markets are already providing an answer,” he said.

“Despite a 54-cent a gallon tariff, US ethanol imports more than quadrupled last year, to 616 million gallons, according to the US International Trade Commission. Brazil accounted for more than two thirds of the total, followed by Jamaica and China. Now, in addition to Brazil, half a dozen Latin American governments are either expanding or launching serious ethanol programmes, and investors are underwriting more than 100 new distilleries in Central and South America.

“The economic and political case for importing ethanol is compelling. Ethanol derived from sugar cane is far more energy-efficient than that produced from corn and, as a result, far cheaper. Thanks to their climate and abundant endowment of agricultural land, many Latin American nations are uniquely suited to grow sugarcane. Importing Latin American and Caribbean ethanol would make the US supply more reliable by diversifying sources and minimising disruptions caused by bad weather or plant diseases in a single producing country. It would also lead to lower and more predictable prices for ethanol-gasoline blends at the pump.

“A hemispheric ethanol market is already taking shape. Major US agricultural firms such as Cargill Inc are forming ethanol joint ventures with counterparts in Latin America and the Caribbean. Last month Maple Cos, Houston-based energy firm, broke ground on an ethanol complex in northern Peru that will export all its production to the US.

“International trade in ethanol, though still less than ten per cent of total production, is rapidly increasing. And the Inter-American Development Bank is providing technical assistance to several Central American governments that intend to create ethanol industries with technology and expertise provided by Brazil and other countries.”

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2007, 12:52:01 PM »
TBTL does not produce the alcohol itself but uses “feedstock” initially imported from Brazil and, more recently, also from Central America, China and other Asian countries.

Mohammed said the company would prefer to deal with a regional supplier who would grow the sugarcane and produce the alcohol. He said he has already held talks with the Guyana and St Kitts governments.

Mohammed said the company’s vision is to eventually integrate backwards into regional sugar production “once the political will and the economic backing is there.”

That means acquiring huge plantations, a proposal likely to be assisted by the collapse of the sugar industry in the Caribbean.

Indeed, Mohammed observed that people are talking more and more every day about converting the failing sugar production facilities in the region into ethanol production.

He estimated the company would need 150,000 acres of land to grow sufficient sugarcane to produce the alcohol it needs to meet the requirements of the existing 50 million gallon a year facility alone. To satisfy the expanded plant its needs would double to 300,000 acres of land.

“Where will I get that? Certainly not in Trinidad,” he said, answering the question of whether TBTL is talking to the Government about acquiring the assets of the defunct Caroni (1975) Ltd.

This plant dehydrates imported ehtanol and sells it abroad.
Seems this is the same model as the Smelter. Use cheap T&T energy to process something.

You see where he acknowledges that we just don't have the land to support industrial-scale ethanol production.  Plantations in Guyana are probably looking like a nice deal to Duprey right now though.
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Re: Duprey strikes gold in ethanol
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2007, 12:56:36 PM »

Mohammed said the company’s vision is to eventually integrate backwards into regional sugar production “once the political will and the economic backing is there.”

That means acquiring huge plantations, a proposal likely to be assisted by the collapse of the sugar industry in the Caribbean.

Indeed, Mohammed observed that people are talking more and more every day about converting the failing sugar production facilities in the region into ethanol production.

He estimated the company would need 150,000 acres of land to grow sufficient sugarcane to produce the alcohol it needs to meet the requirements of the existing 50 million gallon a year facility alone. To satisfy the expanded plant its needs would double to 300,000 acres of land.

“Where will I get that? Certainly not in Trinidad,” he said, answering the question of whether TBTL is talking to the Government about acquiring the assets of the defunct Caroni (1975) Ltd.

Mohammed acknowledged that “backward integration” will probably have to happen through arrangements with governments rather than outright ownership of the plantations. This is because all cane lands in the region are owned by governments rather than private companies, quite the opposite of what obtains in Brazil, for instance.
 
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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 01:03:50 PM »

The best part about what he is doing is that it is private enterprise and not a government project.

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2007, 10:15:41 AM »


WHEN THE GAS RUNS OUT
Trinidad & Tobago Newsday
Friday, May 4 2007


OWTU president Errol McLeod did not give any basis for his assertion that Trinidad and Tobago’s gas reserves would run out by 2016. Mr McLeod made this bold claim last Tuesday during his May Day speech — a day when trade unionists typically indulge in exaggerated rhetoric. But in claiming to know the status of TT’s gas reserves, McLeod is no different from Prime Minister Patrick Manning, who some months ago made the opposite claim — that the country’s gas and oil reserves would not run out because new finds would be made.

As far as we know, however, both men are essentially talking through their hats until a proper estimate of the country’s gas reserves is carried out. The firm Ryder Scott is doing an audit of the country’s petroleum reserves, but that won’t be available till September 2007. However, it was only two months ago that the Chief Executive Officer and chairman of bpTT, Robert Riley, sounded a warning that the Government should not plan projects ahead of gas finds. This, on the face of it, is merely good planning. But it is also possible that Mr Riley, with his insider’s knowledge of the energy industry, was sounding a warning.

If so, it is a warning which the Manning regime appears intent on ignoring. Even as there seems to be some backing off by Alcoa on their smelter project, various Government spokespersons continue to announce all sorts of grandiose plans, some in the energy sector, some not, but all dependent on continued high prices of oil and gas — and, naturally, continued production of both.

However, even if Mr McLeod was wrong in his nine-year prediction, the fact remains that the oil and gas will eventually run out. Even with an extremely optimistic projection of 75 years, this still means that the children of the present generation will have a much lower standard of living unless, by that time, the country’s economy is diversified into non-energy production sectors.

Ironically enough, the smaller Caribbean economies, especially Barbados, have outperformed energy-rich TT when measured on a per capita basis and by the United Nations Human Development Index. Mr McLeod has suggested that sustainable development should be based on food production and agriculture, and this is indeed an important part of economic diversification. But the smaller Caribbean nations have progressed largely through tourism, offshore banking, and the service industry. There is no reason to believe that, once TT runs out of gas and oil, we will be in any different position. What has to happen is that the energy dollars must be used now to set the foundation for this diversification.

The Government has done some of the right things, by setting up the University of Trinidad and Tobago to emphasise technical education, and by encouraging some non-traditional areas like film-making. On the other hand, it is wasting billions of dollars on office buildings and sporting complexes, when that money could be far better spent on improving basic infrastructure, especially water and electricity. Indeed, the Manning regime appears to be making all the mistakes the PNM made during the 1970s oil boom, where the swollen national coffers failed to improve the living standards of the general populace. And, although they may be confident that the present boom will last longer and be more profitable, the PNM regime has not taken cognisance of the 21st century’s pace of technological advances. When the bust comes this time, smelters and ammonia processing plants may well be as profitable as coal mines used to be, and those countries which have not prepared for the new Knowledge Era will be, not Third, but Fourth World.

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 10:49:24 PM »

   
PM: Gas not running out
Peter Christopher South Bureau
Monday, August 13th 2007
Trinidad Express

   

PRIME MINISTER Patrick Manning has slammed reports that natural gas will run out by 2019, stating figures showing only 12 years of reserves were "misinterpreted". Speaking at the PNM's area office opening in Mon Repos, San Fernando on Saturday evening, Manning was certain there was no shortage of oil and gas in the country. On Friday, Energy Minister Lenny Saith stated that an audit showed that on the current rate of production, natural gas will run out by 2019.

"The oil and gas in Trinidad and Tobago is not about to run out," said Manning, who explained that the 12 -year period was to be used as guide for the government to start further exploration of oil and gas wells. Manning said much of Trinidad was still not explored. Manning said Trinidad was running on 12 years of reserves for many years.

He said Trinidad was "a geologist graveyard", stating it was difficult to judge just how much oil and gas could be found in the country. He referred to a letter dated 1905 that he discovered while working for TEXACO in 1969, which advised an oil company to leave Trinidad because the oil in the country was expected to run out soon.

"Many a geologist, has had a reputation that he built over a period of time flounder (in Trinidad)," said Manning, who reminded the crowd that he was also a geologist.

He criticised anti-smelter protesters as well as the recent protest raised over the planned construction of a steel mill in Savonetta, Couva. He said that such protesters were against industrialisation.

"If you say no to the policy of industrialisation, what do you plan to do? Grow tomatoes?" asked Manning, who said that industrialisation was responsible for the rapid growth of the country including the doubling of the country's economy and reduction of unemployment rate to five per cent.

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2007, 11:00:30 PM »
ah not readign all this..all i gonna say is i told allyuh so. In de whole long argument about de smelter i kept sayign that trinidad gas reserves only lastign about 20 yrs at most. Some on in de industry i knwo had forcasted that. Now in allyuh face. But Allyuh honorable pm not only giving away oil and gas at record low  prices and royalites he bulding smleter plant. By the time them plant build and run if allyuh have 5 yrs to make a significant profit allyuh ahve plenty..then what??????
all dem uninfomed people fomr la brea who feel this is a god sent will geta  rude awakening. I understand thier frustration at lack fo jobs etc.
However what that rash of cash influx will only hope to do is increase crime in thier area i sorry. Dont know why PNM cant think for de future and develop sustainable industries....oil is a terrible danger if u cant mamnage and use it well. sigh

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2007, 10:31:33 AM »
Some ppl beleive gas is not fossil fuel ,but is in fact constantly made by the earth .

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Re: T&T's gas reserves running on E
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2007, 11:22:53 AM »
when yuh have a setta thief runnin de nation always, u wont have enough ideas for alternatives, what needs to be fixed is the importation of food first, bc if the oil and gas runs empty, locals would not be able to buy the imported food bc right now the oil money fuelling that necessity and givin dat extra disposable income, the smelter is not the only way, what dey need to do is vote out the pnm and put in a govt who knows how to save tt, instead of destroy it... 30 years of pnm and what does tt have to show, more poverty and more killing... the only way pnm can tournaround is if manning is out as leader...

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2007, 11:28:01 AM »
all  the ideas and men with de belly and will to do for tt is out of the nation, manning and his regime drive away millions of people, everyear hundreds of families leave tt for a better life that are fed up with manning and his cronies, not to mention mr.panday and his antics...

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 10:17:09 AM »
Trinidad pushes for more energy
 
 
Mr Manning said the government intended to pursue several initiatives to refocus the petroleum industry.
Trinidad and Tobago plans an aggressive exploration programme in the next few years as it deals with anticipated declines in oil and natural gas reserves.
Prime Minister Patrick Manning said 29 new wells will be drilled.

Last week, the government announced that total proven, possible and probable natural gas reserves had declined by about 10 percent, in the past two years.

Mr Manning said the country's crude oil reserves, which has been on the decline over the last decade, stood at over 2 billion barrels.

He told an energy conference: "The progress of Trinidad and Tobago as a nation depends on our ability to use our energy resources in ways that provide maximum benefit to all the people of our country."

"As we stand here on the cusp of a new century of involvement in the energy business, I must say that the future looks bright."

Doomsday

Officials of at least two energy companies appeared to share the Prime Minister's optimism.

"I don't see a doomsday scenario at all," said chief executive officer of the Trinidad branch of BP, Robert Riley.

He said bpTT expects to invest US$5 billion over the next five to six years in Trinidad and Tobago.

Petrotrin executive chairman Malcolm Jones said the state-owned firm was likely to spend about US$1.2b over the same period, consisting mainly of exploration and development drilling.

Mr Manning said 13 wells are planned for drilling during 2007-2008 while 16 more exploration wells at a cost of US$565 million will begin from 2008.

He said the government intended to pursue several initiatives to refocus the petroleum industry as an impetus for further growth and development within the energy sector.
 
 

 

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