Author Topic: How many sponsors did the Soca Warriors WC 2006 campaign actually have??? (Read 8163 times)

redtrinigirl · « **on:** June 21, 2007, 06:37:36 AM »

I put this in another thread, but this debate deserves a thread of its own!

Ok, let us recap. How many sponsors/contributors did the WC 2006 campaign have? I will add what I know, allyuh add in as we go along:

T&T Gov't
FIFA
Adidas
Ebay
Carib
TSTT
NLCB
KFC

I suppose what needs to be worked out now is HOW MUCH these sponsors gave. We all know the Gov't figures (transparency). But what of the others?

And if the TTFF will not disclose what was given, surely these organisations can be approached and asked what they gave. There is more than way to get to the truth.

spideybuff · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2007, 07:27:11 AM »

Yup...and that is why when the warriors take Warner to court we can subpoena the accounts of all these organisations and I highly doubt(but I could be wrong) that Warner could arrange to have them all doctor their accounts.
Addidas is FIFA so I am pretty sure he using this time to organise them, maybe to say that the money was paid to the country for development and not for the warriors campaign and EBAY is probably related to FIFA in some way too.

The local companies though? I not sure unless he blackmailing or paying off somebody because it must have some patriots in the departments there who could leak something.

E-man · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:11:48 AM »

Philips Electronics

g · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:25:00 AM »

In all honesty i think FPATT has to go to the sponsors instead of the TTFF to get the real numbers. Not sure if that is in breech of anything though but unless the figure was published as undisclosed it shouldnt be a problem to get the actual figures.

Brownsugar · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:27:04 AM »

Add Republic Bank and Atlantic LNG to de list...

WestCoast · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:27:20 AM »

I am sure that there was a post that had the amounts from all sponsors but i cant find it now.
Tallman go find it

E-man · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2007, 11:47:18 AM »

Quote from: WestCoast on June 21, 2007, 08:27:20 AM

I am sure that there was a post that had the amounts from all sponsors but i cant find it now.
Tallman go find it

According to the TTFF spreadsheet from October - these were the "totals"

adidas $ 1,800,000
tstt / bmobile $ 4,000,000
busta $ 1,000,000
kfc $ 1,000,000
carib $ 3,000,000
t&tec $ -
NGC $ 500,000
BHP Billinton $ 150,000
Petrotrin $ 1,000,000
Titan Methanol $ 15,000
British Gas $ 250,000
ebay $ 300,000

Total $13,015,000

WestCoast · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2007, 11:49:36 AM »

OK, E-Man will find it
Tallman MUST be on holiday

JK E-Man

Tallman · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2007, 01:51:20 PM »

This is what ah find so far:

Source	Amount	Evidence
Adidas	US $11,500,000¹	Adidas brings early cheer for Warriors
Government	$14,400,000	Government gives Soca Warriors $14.4m
Carib	$10,000,000	Carib gives $10 million to Soca Warriors
TSTT/bMobile	$4,000,000²	Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
National Lottery Control Board	$5,000,000³	NLCB give $5 million to football
Atlantic LNG	$3,000,000	Atlantic LNG gives Warriors $3m
Government	$2,464,000	Minister lays down law for TTFF
KFC	$1,000,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Petrotrin	$1,000,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
SM Jaleel & Company	$1,000,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
National Gas Company	$500,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
eBay	$300,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
British Gas	$250,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
T&TEC	$250,000	T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
Crowne Plaza	$200,000	T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
BHP Billiton	$150,000	Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Scotia Bank	$91,014	Scotia $$ for Soca Warriors
Tital Methanol	$15,000	Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
Panini SPA	??
Blue Waters	??
First Citizens Bank	??
Eastern Credit Union	??
Unit Trust	??

¹ - Given over 4 years.
² - TSTT gave $1,121,382.20 to cover match fees for the first leg of the Bahrain play-off. Not sure if this is a separate contribution or if it is included in the total.
³ - Given over 5 years.

Note: There is also the money from FIFA (for qualification etc.) to be considered, but me eh know how much dat is.

futbolfan · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:04:46 PM »

and to think with all this sponsorship...the TTFF just barely break even

since Wolfowitz resign I hereby nominate Jack Warner for "World Bank President"

E-man · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:16:21 PM »

Quote from: Tallman on June 21, 2007, 01:51:20 PM

This is what ah find so far:

Great summary. I also found a photo of RBTT presenting 80,000 Edit: that came after the word cup at the Panama or SVG friendly.

Quote

Note: There is also the money from FIFA (for qualification etc.) to be considered, but me eh know how much dat is.

Those figures should be easy to find - but if you remember Warner tried to reduce that figure by claiming that Germany was going to tax those amounts when in fact they were not taxable.

Mr Mc · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:21:34 PM »

Quote from: Tallman on June 21, 2007, 01:51:20 PM

This is what ah find so far:

Source Amount Evidence
Adidas US $11,500,000¹ Adidas brings early cheer for Warriors
Government $14,400,000 Government gives Soca Warriors $14.4m
Carib $10,000,000 Carib gives $10 million to Soca Warriors
TSTT/bMobile $4,000,000² Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
National Lottery Control Board $5,000,000³ NLCB give $5 million to football
Atlantic LNG $3,000,000 Atlantic LNG gives Warriors $3m
Government $2,464,000 Minister lays down law for TTFF
KFC $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Petrotrin $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
SM Jaleel & Company $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
National Gas Company $500,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
eBay $300,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
British Gas $250,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
T&TEC $250,000 T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
Crowne Plaza $200,000 T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
BHP Billiton $150,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Scotia Bank $91,014 Scotia $$ for Soca Warriors
Tital Methanol $15,000 Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
Panini SPA ??
Blue Waters ??
First Citizens Bank ??
Eastern Credit Union ??
Unit Trust ??

¹ - Given over 4 years.
² - TSTT gave $1,121,382.20 to cover match fees for the first leg of the Bahrain play-off. Not sure if this is a separate contribution or if it is included in the total.
³ - Given over 5 years.

Note: There is also the money from FIFA (for qualification etc.) to be considered, but me eh know how much dat is.

daiz over 40 Million now these figures need to be published, even if they are not based on actual financial records, just to give folks an idea of whats going on.

fatimarima · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:37:22 PM »

Are those figures in tt$ or US? I did not read all the posts so I might have missed that

E-man · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:38:57 PM »

Quote from: fatimarima on June 21, 2007, 02:37:22 PM

Are those figures in tt$ or US? I did not read all the posts so I might have missed that

Those are TT except for the Adidas figure

Mr Fix-it · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2007, 02:47:47 PM »

Dias still plenty coin, jackula really know how to suck ah bank dry boy

Football supporter · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:08:28 PM »

Quote from: Tallman on June 21, 2007, 01:51:20 PM

This is what ah find so far:

Source Amount Evidence
Adidas US $11,500,000¹ Adidas brings early cheer for Warriors
Government $14,400,000 Government gives Soca Warriors $14.4m
Carib $10,000,000 Carib gives $10 million to Soca Warriors
TSTT/bMobile $4,000,000² Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
National Lottery Control Board $5,000,000³ NLCB give $5 million to football
Atlantic LNG $3,000,000 Atlantic LNG gives Warriors $3m
Government $2,464,000 Minister lays down law for TTFF
KFC $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Petrotrin $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
SM Jaleel & Company $1,000,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
National Gas Company $500,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
eBay $300,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
British Gas $250,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
T&TEC $250,000 T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
Crowne Plaza $200,000 T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
BHP Billiton $150,000 Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Scotia Bank $91,014 Scotia $$ for Soca Warriors
Tital Methanol $15,000 Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
Panini SPA ??
Blue Waters ??
First Citizens Bank ??
Eastern Credit Union ??
Unit Trust ??

¹ - Given over 4 years.
² - TSTT gave $1,121,382.20 to cover match fees for the first leg of the Bahrain play-off. Not sure if this is a separate contribution or if it is included in the total.
³ - Given over 5 years.

Note: There is also the money from FIFA (for qualification etc.) to be considered, but me eh know how much dat is.

I cannot find any figures for:-

Blue Waters
FCB
Panini
Angostura
Finta
Eastern Credit Union
Unit Trust Ltd

However, I can reveal that at least 3 marketing licences were sold at $80,000 US each. This was confirmed by Daryan Warner in a letter.

redtrinigirl · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:30:15 PM »

Yuh see FPATT? Yuh have yuh very own legal research team right here on de Forum.

The power of the internet eh?

E-man · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:38:33 PM »

Quote from: FPATT on June 21, 2007, 04:08:28 PM

I cannot find any figures for:-

Finta

However, I can reveal that at least 3 marketing licences were sold at $80,000 US each. This was confirmed by Daryan Warner in a letter.

According to Adidas brings early cheer for Warriors Finta's contract was bought out once the Adidas deal was made - so that may or may not be a negative.

Was one of the marketing licenses for Philips? - they used the Soca Warriors imagery in their Be A Playah campaign.

Victor · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2007, 05:14:32 PM »

I took the liberty of building my own spreadsheet based on the sponsorship dollar amounts TTFF made public on October 5, 2006 and Tallman’s figures from an earlier post on this thread. I apologize for the alignment. It's the best I could do posting the spreadsheet from excel.

The numbers speak for themselves and everyone can draw their own conclusions.

Sponsors     Per TTFF     Per Tallman's Post     Difference

Addias     $1,800,000    $2,875,000         (1,075,000)
bmobile       4,000,000 4,000,000      0

busta   1,000,000      0      1,000,000

KFC   1,000,000      1,000,000         0

Carib   3,000,000      10,000,000      (7,000,000)

Gas 500,000      500,000      0

BHP 150,000      150,000       0

Petrotrin   1,000,000      1,000,000         0

Titan    15,000      15,000         0

British Gas     250,000      250,000            0

ebay     300,000         300,000            0

Gov't 0      14,400,000      (14,400,000)

Gov't 0      2,464,000      (2,464,000)

Atlantic 0      3,000,000      (3,000,000)

SM Jaleel      0      1,000,000      (1,000,000)

T&TEC     0      250,000      (250,000)

Crown Plaza 0      200,000      (200,000)

Scotia Bank     0      91,014      (91,014)

Lottery 0      1,000,000      (1,000,000)


Total     $13,015,000 $42,495,014      (29,480,014)

Notes:
a) [$11,500,000 / 4yrs] = $2,875,000
b) [$5,000,000 / 5yrs] = $1,000,000

Bourbon · « **Reply #19 on:** June 21, 2007, 05:31:31 PM »

Hmm....29.4 Million difference. Doh forget the money from qualifying for the world cup............

E-man · « **Reply #20 on:** June 21, 2007, 05:51:16 PM »

Quote from: Bourbon on June 21, 2007, 05:31:31 PM

Hmm....29.4 Million difference. Doh forget the money from qualifying for the world cup............

Here is the TTFF Press Release concerning 6 million swiss francs in qualifiying money from FIFA:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=10471.0

Here is David Maynard's piece on the tax exempt status of the money
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11184.0

Here another one by Maynard about sponsorship money:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=6006.0

There should be a Liburd piece on this too - haven't found it yet.

Pointman · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:01:26 PM »

Quote from: E-man on June 21, 2007, 11:47:18 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on June 21, 2007, 08:27:20 AM
I am sure that there was a post that had the amounts from all sponsors but i cant find it now.
Tallman go find it

According to the TTFF spreadsheet from October - these were the "totals"

adidas $ 1,800,000
tstt / bmobile $ 4,000,000
busta $ 1,000,000
kfc $ 1,000,000
carib $ 3,000,000
t&tec $ -
NGC $ 500,000
BHP Billinton $ 150,000
Petrotrin $ 1,000,000
Titan Methanol $ 15,000
British Gas $ 250,000
ebay $ 300,000

Total $13,015,000

13+ million in sponsorship money and dem fellas only get $800TT...damn

WestCoast · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:03:46 PM »

I had a dream where Sepp was saying,
"Austin, after I read ALL of this, I have to say that I have taught you VERY well, and you have hidden money from me also"

"you little TnT beatch"

WestCoast · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:05:30 PM »

Quote from: Pointman on June 21, 2007, 06:01:26 PM

13+ million in sponsorship money and dem fellas only get $800TT...damn

Being an advisor is a "Spethial Job"

Bourbon · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:07:43 PM »

Quote from: E-man on June 21, 2007, 05:51:16 PM

Quote from: Bourbon on June 21, 2007, 05:31:31 PM
Hmm....29.4 Million difference. Doh forget the money from qualifying for the world cup............

Here is the TTFF Press Release concerning 6 million swiss francs in qualifiying money from FIFA:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=10471.0

Here is David Maynard's piece on the tax exempt status of the money
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11184.0

Here another one by Maynard about sponsorship money:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=6006.0

There should be a Liburd piece on this too - haven't found it yet.

Ok...that 30 million missing....plus another 30 million for qualifying. Interesting...............

WestCoast · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:12:01 PM »

Quote from: Bourbon on June 21, 2007, 06:07:43 PM

Ok...that 30 million missing....plus another 30 million for qualifying. Interesting...............

Allya need to get an Idea of a possible scheme of what may have happened to the money by reading this post

Quote from: kentsoulman on June 06, 2007, 12:27:40 PM

Yeah, I think they call it LAYERING in money laundering terms. You create a business to collect the money on behalf of another business. Then you run up so much expenses and pay wages and bonuses that only a small part of that money is returned to the original business. Then they pay the shareholders (or in this case, players) their agreed share of whats left. 50% of nothing is nothing.

In effect a WC company could collect funds and pay an amount to a federation who then pays all the expenses and divide whats left amongst the players, while a large part of the original money is retainted by the WC company and distributed as it sees fit.

Wonder if anyones looked into this?? What ya say FPATT-you gonna chase this down?

weary1969 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:31:31 PM »

D panama money is from Anil Warrior Pride a/c where members of the public were encourgage to give to the warriors.

The WC money eh have nutten todo with this dispute. Is the sponsorship money that the dispute is about. He say that they get all their wages

Football supporter · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2007, 02:30:25 AM »

Quote from: redtrinigirl on June 21, 2007, 04:30:15 PM

Yuh see FPATT? Yuh have yuh very own legal research team right here on de Forum.

The power of the internet eh?

Red, this is exactly the kind of help we need. Theres so many people on this site who have knowledge that can help the fght. I thank everyone,on behalf of FPATT for your support and research.

This information has been passed on and will join the large amount of data we have accrued.

I think, at last, people can see why the players were so determined to stand up and fight this time.

The next enquiry should concern the measly $400 that the Gold Cup players received. ALL players need protecting.

Unfortunately, until TTFF recognises FPATT, we can't sit down and negotiate contracts....but that will come soon. The problem is, even though TTFF are still abusing the players, unless the players refuse to play until TTFF recognises FPATT and contracts are properly drawn up, FPATT can't help.

The players have to learn that unless they stand up for themselves, nobody can help them.

Look how much stick the Warriors have taken-even on this site- for being "greedy". Hopefully, that will end now.

WestCoast · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2007, 02:33:22 AM »

FPATT,
could your organisation also seek out other countries who may be having the same sort of experience in their dealings with FIFA and who may want to join you in this?

Football supporter · « **Reply #29 on:** June 22, 2007, 03:08:20 AM »

Quote from: WestCoast on June 22, 2007, 02:33:22 AM

FPATT,
could your organisation also seek out other countries who may be having the same sort of experience in their dealings with FIFA and who may want to join you in this?

West, I think we have enough on our plate at the moment!!

I understand what you're saying, but I think we have to concentrate on our aims, which are to provide support and advice for our members. Unfortunately, it appears that TTFF cannot seperate FPATT from the players dispute, so therefore we must help to get that settled before we can really move on with our tasks.

FPATT cannot be the defender of global football, only the defender of football in T&T.