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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3540 on: September 27, 2011, 07:54:00 PM »
No excuses, we were shit.. f**king 4-5-1 at home

Anyway bigger problems.. Evra - Starting to get scary now how poor he has been over the last year or so, his positional play is atrocious , he gets sucked into the CB's leaving a huge space of our left side, key example vs Barca when Pedro scored.. also his crossing is piss poor and decision making in the final third is average at best....Fabio too, be it at LB or RB ...does the same things as Evra except he gets caught out of position up the field.. It was scary to see how far ahead Smalling and Jones are at RB when its not even their natural f**king position... I think we need to buy a proper Left Back either in Jan or definitely in the summer as I've been watching this for a year now and today justified my decision that Evra needs competition or a replacement and young Fabio will be an understudy and backup in both Full back positions... my choice as of now is Baines (26 , mature age, set piece threat, gets forward well, defensively sound)

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« Reply #3541 on: September 27, 2011, 11:16:16 PM »
No excuses, we were shit.. f**king 4-5-1 at home

Anyway bigger problems.. Evra - Starting to get scary now how poor he has been over the last year or so, his positional play is atrocious , he gets sucked into the CB's leaving a huge space of our left side, key example vs Barca when Pedro scored.. also his crossing is piss poor and decision making in the final third is average at best....Fabio too, be it at LB or RB ...does the same things as Evra except he gets caught out of position up the field.. It was scary to see how far ahead Smalling and Jones are at RB when its not even their natural f**king position... I think we need to buy a proper Left Back either in Jan or definitely in the summer as I've been watching this for a year now and today justified my decision that Evra needs competition or a replacement and young Fabio will be an understudy and backup in both Full back positions... my choice as of now is Baines (26 , mature age, set piece threat, gets forward well, defensively sound)


I think you are being a bit hard on ever and getting ahead. Evra is a quality player (never believed he was better than Cole  ;D  ) and you will be hard pressed right now to replace him. I think like Ferdinand and Vidic he is getting lazy and complacent. For defenders they get a lot of protection in England and games like these (CL) where ref could careless about who playing, they are required to step up their game and sometime get caught wanting.

Can't see Baines being better than Evra AT Man Utd. Evra covers a lot of ground and works really hard. I also think he is trying to evolve his game, like a Bosingwa, Alves kinda player.
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« Reply #3542 on: September 27, 2011, 11:21:29 PM »
Actually I think Baines is a terrible defender. He is a great attacking fullback but you'll need the holding midfielder to cover him, which will weaken United's usual tactical flexibility in midfield. United don't need him in attack and he will weaken their defence.
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« Reply #3543 on: September 30, 2011, 01:36:38 PM »
De Gea warned over stolen doughnut.
By: ESPNsoccernet staff.


Manchester United goalkeeper David de Gea has found himself in a sticky situation after being warned for allegedly eating a Krispy Kreme doughnut at a local shop without paying for it.

David De Gea has made a few errors during his fledgling Man United career and one of them may have been in Tesco.

De Gea, who joined United this summer from Atletico Madrid, earns around £70,000-a-week but apparently decided that he wasn't willing to shell out £1.19 for the sugary treat and, according to the Sun, ate it in store, before attempting to leave.

The Spaniard was tackled by security staff, who showed him CCTV footage of the incident in the store's "stop and search" room.

A source told the paper: "They [De Gea and his two friends] weren't very subtle. They swaggered in chatting loudly in Spanish. The security guards who monitor the CCTV watched two of them take a doughnut each out of the Krispy Kreme cabinet. Incredibly, they then appeared to try to leave without paying - or buying anything else for that matter."

De Gea avoided a jam as he was given warning and police were not called to the scene. On Thursday night a Tesco spokesman said: "A customer was spoken to by our security team and the issue was resolved."
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3544 on: September 30, 2011, 06:09:34 PM »
Actually I think Baines is a terrible defender.

A little harsh no?
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3545 on: October 01, 2011, 09:57:28 AM »
is it me or anyone find lindegard (forget how you spell it) Looking better in goal than Da Gea? Watched him a few games now and he has been solid
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3546 on: October 01, 2011, 10:09:43 AM »
is it me or anyone find lindegard (forget how you spell it) Looking better in goal than Da Gea? Watched him a few games now and he has been solid

I thought De Gea was coming along nicely..every game he had improved.. this is just rotation, I fully expect De Gea to be back in goal vs Liverpool on the 15th

We were garbage today, Anderson was total shit, thank god he scored that goal, Fergie would probably set the hairdryer on low now
Evra has been a joke, too high up the field doing f**k all when in possession and when it's lost causes our defence to be a mess when someone covers his absence
Rooney was very rusty and Hernandez was offside almost every play

We need Vidic, Smalling and Cleverley back to galvanise the team .. the balance isnt right at the moment hence all the madness in the last 2 games

After the break and away to Liverpool I expect :
De Gea, Smalling Vidic Rio/Jones Evra Nani Fletcher Cleverley Young Rooney Hernandez/Welbeck (depends on the game, away I'd start with Welbeck)

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« Reply #3547 on: October 01, 2011, 12:29:00 PM »
I would start Welbeck over Hernandez because I think he contributes to a more uptempo game and can play one twos around the box. I think he also helps Anderson's passing game when he plays up front. Hernandez is not a good passer and I think he slows down the play when he receives the ball with pace. I would bring him off the bench.  Evans should eat bench once Smalling is healthy; Smalling reads the plays better and is strong on his man, plus he shows more leadership skills than Evans. I woul keep Jones at center back during the year becasue he needs to develop as a defender in that position. Basil was the only side that capitalized on their chances because they had the best strikers we have played thus far. Hopefully by the time we play Liverstool and Citeh who have very good strikers we have a settled back four. 

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« Reply #3548 on: October 01, 2011, 02:20:54 PM »
United's very own Homer Simpson  ;D

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« Reply #3549 on: October 01, 2011, 07:22:13 PM »
Good win by United... on a day when they were both lucky and bad.  Norwich are a bit hard done by a 2-0 scoreline, as I said to Kev in the Sunderland thread they real lack quality up front otherwise they coulda score three today.  Bennett did shit by not passing to far post to Tierney (? I think it was).  Morison did the same with an opportunity to set up Houlahan for a tap in far post.  Then Pilkington robbed Valencia (penalty mid-week, disaster giveaway today... how is that Valencia at RB working out Fergie) in the box, only to slot wide in a 1-v-1.  Later Pilkington's deflection off Anderson... off the post...

But taking nothing away from United... Wellbeck is one heck of a talisman.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3550 on: October 06, 2011, 08:08:47 AM »
Rooney Dad Arrested
Manchester United star Wayne Rooney's father and two other members of his family have been arrested in connection with the investigation into betting irregularities that has also seen Motherwell's Steve Jennings taken into custody.


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Rooney senior, 48, was arrested at his home in the West Derby area of Liverpool, while uncle Richie, 54, has also been detained, according to the Daily Mirror. Later, it was revealed that cousin Thomas was also being questioned.

A statement from Merseyside police read: ''Detectives have today executed warrants at 10 addresses across Merseyside and Glasgow and arrested nine men as part of an investigation into suspicious betting activity.

''The arrests are the culmination of a joint operation with the Gambling Commission and the nine who have been arrested for conspiracy to defraud are being interviewed by detectives.

"Those arrested are a 29-year-old from Bootle, a 48-year-old from West Derby, a 54-year-old from Norris Green, a 26-year-old from Croxteth, a 22-year-old from Kirkdale, a 31-year-old from Litherland, a 68-year-old from Fazakerley, a 36-year-old from Kirkby and a 26-year-old from Glasgow.''

News broke of Jennings' arrest on Thursday morning after an investigation into the game between Hearts and Motherwell on December 14, 2010 began nine months ago.

Jennings was sent off with eight minutes to go and it has emerged that ''several bets were made on a player being sent off including a £500 gamble placed through a new account opened in Liverpool at 10/1 odds'' according to the paper.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3551 on: October 06, 2011, 08:44:47 AM »
Actually I think Baines is a terrible defender.

A little harsh no?
Don't think it's harsh. His tackling, reading of play, positioning and attacking of the ball are all quite poor. He plays like a converted winger. Going forward he is top class but I think if he wasn't so good in attack he would probably struggle to get into a Premier League side. I suppose I'm always hard on fullbacks who can't defend but he definitely falls into that category.
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« Reply #3552 on: October 09, 2011, 11:06:00 AM »
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« Reply #3553 on: October 10, 2011, 10:56:11 AM »
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« Reply #3554 on: October 10, 2011, 11:03:12 AM »
^^^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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« Reply #3555 on: October 13, 2011, 04:37:59 PM »
So Rooney gets 3 games for his red card. Once again he proves that he is an imps who crumbles mentally when things are not going his way. Capello would make a bold statement if he left his arse home for the Euros.

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« Reply #3556 on: October 13, 2011, 09:51:03 PM »
So Rooney gets 3 games for his red card. Once again he proves that he is an imps who crumbles mentally when things are not going his way. Capello would make a bold statement if he left his arse home for the Euros.

I would actually leave him home if I was coach. With england's luck these days it would be a tall order to get out of a group. This means for three crucial games he would not be at the coach's disposal. If they get out then you'd have to add him to the mix. Keep him home and work on building a strong team for the Euros.  :beermug:

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« Reply #3557 on: October 14, 2011, 12:01:31 AM »
So Rooney gets 3 games for his red card.

Harsh... but it was petulant and full-breed dotish.

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 Chronicles of Nani: From the crushing poverty of life as an outcast to United hero By Chris Wheeler

Last updated at 11:19 PM on 14th October 2011


 May 2007. Aurelio Pereira receives a phone call from Carlos Queiroz, his old friend and Sir Alex
Ferguson's assistant at Manchester United. Something is troubling Queiroz.
He has arrived in Portugal with his chief executive David Gill to hold transfer talks over the latest winger to roll off Sporting Lisbon's production line and wants to be sure that United are making the right decision by paying £17million for Luis Carlos Almeida da Cunha, otherwise known as Nani.

'Carlos was in a hotel in Lisbon,' recalls Pereira, the 64-year-old head of Sporting's scouting network who is revered in Portugal for unearthing stars like Luis Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Paulo Futre and Ricardo Quaresma but rarely speaks publicly about his proteges.

 Heavens above: Nani has grown into one of Manchester United's stars
'He wanted to know about Nani's mentality and if he could handle the pressure of playing for United.
'He didn't want to know if he had good feet. He knew all about that. He wanted to know about his personality, how he could cope with a different country and a different team.

'It was a big responsibility for Carlos because it was a 25m euro deal and he wanted to be absolutely sure. I calmed him and said that, yes, he was buying a complete player.'
Hours later United shake hands with Sporting on a deal to take the 20-year-old to Old Trafford, and the next chapter in Nani's remarkable life story begins.   

 The number 184 is daubed on the door in blue paint but the street, if you can call it that, has no name; just a dusty track that cuts through the long grass to the place where Nani was raised in Santa Filomena, a shanty town built on the hillside overlooking Amadora northwest of Lisbon.

Thirty per cent of people between the ages of 15 and 30 who live here have a criminal record. It is unwise to pay a visit unless you are in the company of a local like Alcides Mendes, the founder and president of Espaco Jovem, the youth association that helped keep Nani away from crime after he was separated from his parents who had brought him from the African islands of Cape Verde at an early age.

His father Domingos returned there on holiday when Nani was seven and didn't come back. His mother Maria do Ceu left Portugal for Holland when he was 12, although by then the youngest of their 10 children had already chosen to live here in Santa Filomena with his aunt Antonia and her family, often sleeping six to a room with his brother and cousins.

Through the iron bars protecting the windows there is a clear view down to the railway tracks which Nani would follow on foot during the six-mile round trip to training with his first club Real Massama. Sometimes, if he was late, he would jump on the train and dodge the ticket collector. On the other hand, it is only a short two-minute walk to the concrete five-a-side pitch in the middle of Santa Filomena where he mastered the art of street football.

'That's the big market for us,' says Pereira. 'The African kids from these quarters like Nani. Even now you can see how he mixes the high level of performance with the tricks of the street.'
 
It was here that Nani learned how to become two-footed, a quality he has used to devastating effect coming in off the right wing for United.

'I'd stay for hours on that ring and kick with my left and right foot,' he says. 'I wanted badly to play as well with my left as I played with the right.'
Of the 80 poor kids in Santa Filomena, Mendes remembers that Nani was the 'only one who didn't stop chasing his dream'.

'He would choose the weaker players for his side in order to always have the ball,' says Mendes. 'It was five-a-side, winner stays on, and every time he lost he would be sick. He was totally focussed on winning. He just wanted to be out there playing, nothing else.

'It was very hard for the kids to know the world outside this place. The problem here is that most of the people are not immigrants but they're not Portuguese either.
'They were born here but their parents are from the former African colonies like Cape Verde, so they are outcasts in society (Nani did not become a Portuguese citizen until the age of 18). Even in school they create separate classes for them.

'Nani's was a small house but the family were close and there was a great relationship between the cousins.
'His older brother was very important for Nani. He used to work in construction and sometimes Nani would go with him to help at work. He developed this strong feeling of family even though they were poor. It was a home.'

In spite of the hardship, Nani has happy memories of his upbringing. His other favourite pastime with the association was capoeira, a combination of Brazilian martial art and music. The trademark somersaults that follow each of his goals were a common sight on the streets of Santa Filomena.

'My friends said I was nuts but I wanted to keep something from capoeira and that's why I always celebrate with a flip-flop,' said Nani in a television interview in Portugal this week. 'People would always talk about that kid Nani (his sister gave him the name), the one with the curly hair.

'Life was tough but joyful. The only problem was hunger. We had not very good conditions at home, not much food. And it was my brother Paulo who'd sometimes bring food home, like cookies. 'We would steal fruit and other stuff to eat. I went to some bad paths, but I would always return to the right one.

'You can't change or hide the past, and I'm not ashamed of the place I was born or the hard times I went through. If I reached where I wanted it was my effort and will, and it was worth it.'
Nani denies that his dad walked out on the family, insisting that red tape prevented him from returning to Portugal. The two men met up again in 2006 and Nani recalls: 'He tried to explain to me that he never abandoned me, but I just stopped the conversation and told him: "You don't need to. I'm cool. I'm happy, I know what happened, so you don't owe me any explanations".

'I didn't miss him so much because my brothers filled his role. They would give me all the support and love. I was the little boy, the protected, and nobody could touch me.'   
 Nani has not forgotten the times when he relied on Real Massama for food and his friends for clothes.

'I had lots of friends who helped me a lot and supported me because I had many difficulties,' he says. 'I couldn't afford expensive clothes so my colleagues would give me the trainers they weren't using anymore or their clothes. Sometimes they invited me to spend a week at their houses.

'I became a son of Massama. They gave me everything – boots and food. I had privileges that nobody else in the club had.'

Nani's mentor at the Second Division club, Luis Dias, admits that he could have joined Benfica instead of following his destiny to Sporting Lisbon and Old Trafford. Dias, now a youth coach at Sporting, was Nani's Under 11 coach when Massama were invited to play at the Stadium of Light by then Benfica boss Graeme Souness.
 
'It's true he was training with Benfica as well as Sporting,' says Dias. 'Benfica brought Massama to play in a big stadium in front of all the fans before a game against Boavista.

'But it was raining a lot that day and Souness said the kids couldn't play because they would destroy the grass. When you promise something to a player of that age you have to keep it. Benfica failed in their promise.

'They approached Nani all the time but he thought they didn't respect him. He didn't want to be a commodity. Although he was poor, Nani was very proud.'
Sensing the youngster's embarrassment at having to carry his boots in a plastic bag, Dias arranged for a senior player to donate a Lotto boot bag. It was all part of the special attention given to Nani.

'I had to be coach, psychologist, doctor, driver sometimes,' says Dias. 'I knew my job wasn't just training him. I also had to be a tutor, control what he was eating, how he was sleeping, go to the school and make sure he was going to classes. The things normally parents do.

'At Massama, he would have lunch before training and always have dinner afterwards. It was something we didn't do with the other kids. If he didn't eat at the club he probably wouldn't have eaten at all.' 
 It's half an hour's drive from Lisbon, south across the 11-mile Vasco da Gama Bridge and the mouth of the River Tagus, before you reach the countryside around Alcochete and the place where Nani polished his skills.

Even then, as you pass by the fields of cattle and sobreiro trees that produce Portugal's cork, there is a only a small orange road sign to indicate the final turn to the Academia do Sporting Clube de Portugal.
It is almost 10 years since Sporting built this complex, complete with seven pitches and a hotel for 50 of the 130 youngsters who train here.

It costs £4m-a-year to run but Diogo Matos, the academy's director, estimates that it has already made the club £150m in terms of money saved on signing new players and the sale of star pupils like Nani and Ronaldo.

'We have something special going on here,' says Matos, whose current crop of Under 19s are emerging as one of the best in Europe in the much-lauded NextGen Series.
In the gym, Nani's personal best of 63 runs, covering 2,520metres, in the dreaded 'bleep test' is listed at seventh on the all-time leaders' board.

Although it was decided to keep him at Massama because of his domestic situation, he trained regularly with Sporting before joining the club at the age of 16.  Nani earned £900-a-month here as an academy player but that rose to £10,000 when he signed as a professional.  The money helped to move his aunt Antonia out of Santa Filomena, and he continues to support his family financially now that he earns considerably more at United. It is a burden Nani gladly takes on but one, he admits, that has often interfered with his career in the Premier League.
 
'I thank God for my current situation and I'm a pillar to my family,' he says. 'Every time there is a problem they come to me and I never say no. I know what I've been through when I was younger. I just can't see someone from the family having difficulties.

'But personal problems make me lose my focus. Sometimes I'm mentally tired of it all. It might even be before a big match or a derby, but I will pick up the phone and call whoever it takes to solve the problem right away.

'I earn a lot of money but it didn't fall from the sky. I must run. When I don't play well, people will chase me. I'm the bad guy.'

 Life in England has not been easy for Nani. It took a while to win over the fans and emerge from Ronaldo's shadow at United. Indeed, there have been times when Queiroz's initial concerns seemed justified.

Even after leading the Premier League in assists last season, he found himself on the bench for the Champions League Final against Barcelona, and the arrival of England winger Ashley Young in the summer prompted speculation that the 24-year-old could be on his way out of Old Trafford.

In fact, Nani has arguably been United's best player this season. He is happier off the pitch as well in the Cheshire home he shares with partner Daniela and their two dogs (a Labrador and a Chow Chow).
It's in contrast to his traumatic introduction to Manchester, even though Ronaldo was already there to help his friend adapt to the new surroundings.

'The toughest part was to live alone, not speaking the language,' says Nani. 'There was a phase when I was living at Cristiano's house and it was very good. There were always cheerful people and we had everything – swimming pool, jacuzzi, tennis, ping-pong. I never missed my family.
'But later I had to leave Cristiano's to make my own life. It was hard because it was a big house and by night it seemed like a witch's house.

'I was even afraid of being home alone. Sometimes I didn't even leave the room. I went to bed early without eating properly because I didn't want to have dinner alone.'
Even now, Nani admits, he will not watch horror movies because it gives him sleepless nights. He prefers to follow the TV soap operas with Daniela and play the piano.

'It relaxes me a lot,' he says. 'And it's good to practise your concentration.' 
October 2011. Porto's Estadio Do Dragao. Nani scores Portugal's first two goals in a 5-3 win over Iceland, upstaging his teammate Ronaldo. The next day's front pages of Correio da Manha and A Bola carry photos of him celebrating.

Defeat in Denmark four days later leaves Paulo Bento's team needing to qualify for Euro 2012 through a playoff, but it is clear that his No 17 – a player Bento coached at both junior and senior level at Sporting – has become a star in his own right.
On Saturday Nani returns to Liverpool with unhappy memories. It was at Anfield in March that he was carried off in tears after a tackle from Jamie Carragher cut the United player's left shin to the bone.

Nani later claimed that it was the fear of missing the rest of the season, of not being able to play the game he loves, that made him cry rather than the injury itself.
'I know how hard it was for me to get here,' he says. 'I will keep fighting to go as high as I can. I will give my best to show that there is someone who fights in the name of the family.'

The boy from Santa Filomena has come a long way. 


 


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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3559 on: October 14, 2011, 08:04:21 PM »
So Rooney gets 3 games for his red card.

Harsh... but it was petulant and full-breed dotish.

I hear about what went down but didn't see the tackle, then I see you say it harsh so I went and look it up. He shoulda get 5 games. The player did absolutely noting to Rooney. Rooney was just outright violent.

If was Ballotelli that had done that.....my word.
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« Reply #3560 on: October 15, 2011, 07:48:16 AM »
That boy was born to score goals

Fergie's team selection will come under allot of scrutiny but the last 3 times we have went there we left way too much space and got battered ... In a sense it did work by limiting Liverpool to a few half chances but we hardly created anything so it was designed for counter attack and absorb which it did well enough... and then Adam's dive and Giggsy poor decision and we had to go for it by playing 5 in attack lol.. from then on it was anyone can win it as we were really open and after the Chicho goal it was madness how much space was available and De Gea was quality today

I taking the point considering we lost the last 3 there.. its a big point, City and Chelsea will not get it easy there either

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3561 on: October 15, 2011, 08:24:13 AM »
The match was a snoozer!!

wow - poor quality all around. 
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3562 on: October 15, 2011, 10:04:22 AM »
I hear about what went down but didn't see the tackle, then I see you say it harsh so I went and look it up. He shoulda get 5 games. The player did absolutely noting to Rooney. Rooney was just outright violent.

If was Ballotelli that had done that.....my word.

Your totee does get hard fuh Balotelli or what?  Everything is "if dat was Balotelli".  From the replays I saw it looked like he deliberately kick the fella but didn't seem that 'violent'.  I saw another replay last night that change mih mind... he deserve every bit of that 3-match ban. There, yuh satisfied?

And nobody in the English press gave him a pass, he's been rightly villified, moreso than was Balotelli.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3563 on: October 15, 2011, 01:48:58 PM »
Rooney's appears to lack the ability to use the adversity he may experience on the field as fuel to raise his game to the next level.  Great players make their opponents consistently pay when they try to rough them up by using it as extra motivation to raise their level of performance. Rooney on the other hand appears to allow himself to get caught up which then lets the opponent win. This in my opinion makes him an unreliable teammate and a liability. I think Ferguson recognises this which is why he has no problems dropping him during he season. Capello and England unfortunately are overly reliant on him and they keep picking him despite his acts of selfishness during games. Rooney's lashing out on the field I feel is not some calculated act but more reactionary.
The way Messi handles what he gets on the field game in and game out is the way the greats in any sport have handled it. You make them pay and while contributing to your team winning. 

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3564 on: October 15, 2011, 02:05:04 PM »
Girly, you really have to let go your anti-Rooney bullshit now..

he wasnt dropped because Fergie feared he may break someones leg.. he didnt start because Fergie said his head wasnt right after the verdict from UEFA...

All your negativity and you cant even praise the man's effort today. He came on and play CM and did it to perfection and also won a key defensive header in the last minute which would have been a sure goal for Suarez

Would you love Rooney if he didnt have that fire? would Rooney even be Rooney if he didnt have it? pick and choose your battles , the pro's heavily outweigh the cons of Wazza

Yes he does some stupid mistakes but he is Human afterall




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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3565 on: October 15, 2011, 02:11:33 PM »
Just curious about what you Utd fans thought about Phil Jones' position today. I know he played in midfield for Blackburn before, but I couldn't really figure out what he was supposed to be doing today. Was he man-marking Adam? An experiment gone wrong?

And yeah, De Gea was fantastic. Fed up of opposition goalkeepers having their best performance at the Kop end  >:(  :)  :beermug:

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3566 on: October 15, 2011, 02:28:44 PM »
.. he didnt start because Fergie said his head wasnt right after the verdict from UEFA...

As Macca properly pointed out... his head wasn't right to start, but it was right for him to come off the bench? Nonsense.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3567 on: October 15, 2011, 03:14:30 PM »
Just curious about what you Utd fans thought about Phil Jones' position today. I know he played in midfield for Blackburn before, but I couldn't really figure out what he was supposed to be doing today. Was he man-marking Adam? An experiment gone wrong?

And yeah, De Gea was fantastic. Fed up of opposition goalkeepers having their best performance at the Kop end  >:(  :)  :beermug:

It could definitely work..  tough to say after a tough game away to Liverpool and his first time in mid for United

I've been wanting to see him there for a while now ... and yes he was man marking Adam all game.. clear as day that was instruction

I'm pretty sure he could be a beast in mid , his drive is outstanding and he has good technical ability.. he will be fine in whatever position he plays whenever wherever... that 16 million price tag looks cheap now.. 19 years old and going to be a Legend

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3568 on: October 15, 2011, 04:50:43 PM »
Girly, you really have to let go your anti-Rooney bullshit now..

he wasnt dropped because Fergie feared he may break someones leg.. he didnt start because Fergie said his head wasnt right after the verdict from UEFA...

All your negativity and you cant even praise the man's effort today. He came on and play CM and did it to perfection and also won a key defensive header in the last minute which would have been a sure goal for Suarez

Would you love Rooney if he didnt have that fire? would Rooney even be Rooney if he didnt have it? pick and choose your battles , the pro's heavily outweigh the cons of Wazza

Yes he does some stupid mistakes but he is Human afterall





When Rooney do shyte he is Human? I see where alyuh does be coming from yes.
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3569 on: October 15, 2011, 05:01:04 PM »
Girly, you really have to let go your anti-Rooney bullshit now..

he wasnt dropped because Fergie feared he may break someones leg.. he didnt start because Fergie said his head wasnt right after the verdict from UEFA...

All your negativity and you cant even praise the man's effort today. He came on and play CM and did it to perfection and also won a key defensive header in the last minute which would have been a sure goal for Suarez

Would you love Rooney if he didnt have that fire? would Rooney even be Rooney if he didnt have it? pick and choose your battles , the pro's heavily outweigh the cons of Wazza

Yes he does some stupid mistakes but he is Human afterall





Little boy who still wears Rooney pj's and jockey shorts; is people like you who keep making excuses for Rooney that makes him feel like he can continue making choices on the field that hurts his teams. He got benched because Fergie felt that he could not be trusted to handle himself in such an environment. Rooney is easily triggered. Either he gets it or he doesn't and right now he hasn't and may never get it. He can have fire all he want but if it is not channelled toward helping the team he might as well not have it. He has become a liability because you never know when he will catch a vaps on the field. Praise his efforts? He should be doing that after all the damn money he making and felt like he deserve to make. I support the side but that doesn't mean I have to support Rooney's bullshit, or be told by a little snatty nose, disrespectful little knob like yourself that  I should be supporting him. Take that talk somewhere else!

 

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