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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3990 on: March 08, 2012, 03:36:49 PM »
That was offside, but United have been living dangerously outclassed whole game.

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« Reply #3991 on: March 08, 2012, 03:37:07 PM »
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3992 on: March 08, 2012, 03:40:29 PM »
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« Reply #3993 on: March 08, 2012, 03:41:00 PM »
If Ferguson doesn't see the need to strengthen in midfield especially for European and knockout  combat well...  >:(
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« Reply #3994 on: March 08, 2012, 03:50:57 PM »
Hell of a save, hell of an effort to get there, hell of a goal.

Hard luck dey United.

Raphael fall asleep there.  :yellowcard:
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« Reply #3995 on: March 08, 2012, 03:51:20 PM »
Nah nah nah Rafael...  :bs:  >:(
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« Reply #3996 on: March 08, 2012, 03:51:54 PM »
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #3997 on: March 08, 2012, 03:52:13 PM »
oh dear we are f**ked now  :'(
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« Reply #3998 on: March 08, 2012, 03:52:49 PM »
Of course, Man U gets the obligatory penalty call.
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« Reply #3999 on: March 08, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
come on reds , play till the end !!!
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« Reply #4000 on: March 08, 2012, 03:54:30 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:
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« Reply #4001 on: March 08, 2012, 03:55:27 PM »
Ah feel dat Ref trying to make up for that goal that scored after he blew the whistle for Evra no shoes play!

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« Reply #4002 on: March 08, 2012, 03:56:32 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

Doh worry we go tear dem a new ass next week
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« Reply #4003 on: March 08, 2012, 03:56:59 PM »
Sign Muniain... In fact sign the whole Athletic midfield.
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« Reply #4004 on: March 08, 2012, 03:58:02 PM »
Like ManU really don't want to be outdone by City this season. They following them where ever they go!  ;D

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #4005 on: March 08, 2012, 03:58:50 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

"Athletico come from the notoriously uncompetitive Spanish league, but even if they are playing like a lower-level High-speed Barcelona clone, they're looking every part the equal of the premiership's second best team," thunders Ben Dunn. "The lesser teams in the premiership clone passion and aggression and couldn't live with this side."

yuh mighta see that already toppa... ah know yuh does read meh papers
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« Reply #4006 on: March 08, 2012, 04:00:49 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

Doh worry we go tear dem a new ass next week
Just like allyuh do this week ent ?A lil perspective for you, Barca had to fight to draw with them in the San Mames.

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« Reply #4007 on: March 08, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
Ah feel dat Ref trying to make up for that goal that scored after he blew the whistle for Evra no shoes play!

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ref fault for bilbao third gol?come na man...

la liga is not as much shit as epl...players more technical

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« Reply #4008 on: March 08, 2012, 04:03:37 PM »
Ah feel dat Ref trying to make up for that goal that scored after he blew the whistle for Evra no shoes play!

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ref fault for bilbao third gol?come na man...

la liga is not as much shit as epl...players more technical

Ah did not say it was his fault, he was jus feeling ah how that a goal came from it!  :beermug:

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #4009 on: March 08, 2012, 04:04:03 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

"Athletico come from the notoriously uncompetitive Spanish league, but even if they are playing like a lower-level High-speed Barcelona clone, they're looking every part the equal of the premiership's second best team," thunders Ben Dunn. "The lesser teams in the premiership clone passion and aggression and couldn't live with this side."

yuh mighta see that already toppa... ah know yuh does read meh papers

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"That was a bona fide thriller. Bilbao put on a performance that has seldom been equalled by an away team at Old Trafford, blowing the hosts apart. Only repeated saves by De Gea and United's characteristic refusal to buckle prevented this tie from being over. It sets up a mouth-watering return leg. On today's evidence, anyone hoping for an all-Manchester Europa League final is going to be disappointed. And anyone who thinks the Premier League is the best in the world is wrong. And anyone who thinks the Europa League is a rubbish tournament is also wrong. So there."
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« Reply #4010 on: March 08, 2012, 04:04:59 PM »
their play last season different than this one...is bielsa (a man who used to play 3-3-3-1 wit a chile side that was givin conmebol rel pace)...have them playin this way...they used to play more direct seasons past...hope they keep martinez and munain at least one more season..

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« Reply #4011 on: March 08, 2012, 04:07:16 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

"Athletico come from the notoriously uncompetitive Spanish league, but even if they are playing like a lower-level High-speed Barcelona clone, they're looking every part the equal of the premiership's second best team," thunders Ben Dunn. "The lesser teams in the premiership clone passion and aggression and couldn't live with this side."

yuh mighta see that already toppa... ah know yuh does read meh papers

:D

"That was a bona fide thriller. Bilbao put on a performance that has seldom been equalled by an away team at Old Trafford, blowing the hosts apart. Only repeated saves by De Gea and United's characteristic refusal to buckle prevented this tie from being over. It sets up a mouth-watering return leg. On today's evidence, anyone hoping for an all-Manchester Europa League final is going to be disappointed. And anyone who thinks the Premier League is the best in the world is wrong. And anyone who thinks the Europa League is a rubbish tournament is also wrong. So there."

once europa shave down from the million teams initially to me its more excitement than ucl

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #4012 on: March 08, 2012, 04:08:24 PM »
So much for La Liga being a shit league... :heehee:

Doh worry we go tear dem a new ass next week
Just like allyuh do this week ent ?A lil perspective for you, Barca had to fight to draw with them in the San Mames.

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« Reply #4013 on: March 08, 2012, 04:23:08 PM »
serious question..when was the last time Man U won a European game at home?
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« Reply #4014 on: March 08, 2012, 04:42:08 PM »
serious question..when was the last time Man U won a European game at home?

The lost against Ajax last week was the first time United lost at home in Europe in almost double figure years. United was impenetrable at Old Trafford until the loss last week and tonite.

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« Reply #4015 on: March 08, 2012, 04:49:13 PM »
I just going tuh watch the taped game tuh watch meh boy make he saves! United like I have said before against quality midfields will struggle. Plus men just not bearing down in matches tuh make a good pass. Tonite was just an example of all the ills that has led to us losing in the CL, we can get away with that most weeks in the EPL but in Europe we getting punished! Rooney will always be second rated as a footballer, just so careless with his passes and possession for a so call world class footballer!

Athletic Bilbao put on a clinic!

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« Reply #4016 on: March 08, 2012, 05:10:43 PM »
giggsy i asked when last they won..not last time they lost..
I just feel like they haven't won a euro game at home for a while.
So would still appreciate the right answer. I know allyuh sour right now but is a serious question
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« Reply #4017 on: March 08, 2012, 05:19:12 PM »
Lemme go and look for some highlights dey...

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« Reply #4018 on: March 08, 2012, 05:28:00 PM »
what i was saying before, bielsa revolutionised their playing style

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Athletic Bilbao's Bielsa – obsessive and dangerous for United's chances
The Argentinian is called El Loco for his attention to detail but he has built the most exciting Athletic Bilbao team for decades

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Marcelo Bielsa, a former Argentina and Chile coach, has taken Athletic Bilbao into the Copa del Rey final in his first season in charge. Photograph: Ivan Alvarado/Reuters
The exchange was eloquent, a treatise on image and reality, the two faces of Marcelo Bielsa. It was played out at Estadio el Madrigal where Villarreal had just drawn 2-2 with Athletic Bilbao. Athletic's coach was addressing the media in his normal way – voice low, gaze lower – when he was asked about his odd touchline behaviour. Was it coincidence that after every Villarreal attack, he got up from his haunches and paced to the other side of his technical area, taking exactly 13 steps?

Bielsa did not look at his questioner. He never does. Staring down, he spoke in his usual slow monotone. "What is coincidence," he replied, "is that when there's such a nice game going on, someone spends time counting my paces."

They call the Argentinian El Loco and maybe they look too hard for madness. The way Athletic are playing, watching him not his team is absurd, yet it is hard not to be drawn to him. Bielsa is unusual, there is something addictive about his actions. Besides, person and professional are inseparable. The question is: is he really as mad as he is portrayed? "No," says the forward Iker Muniaín. "He is madder."

Bielsa arrived last summer and Athletic's players still have not completely worked him out. They have never seen anything like him and do not think they ever will. He is disconcerting, praising awful performances and bemoaning brilliant ones. Above all, he is intense. Compulsive. Obsessive. Mad. "He lives for football," the striker Fernando Llorente says. There are days, adds teh midfielder Javi Martínez, when he does not leave the Lezama training ground until the small hours. It is, he says, "insane".

When he arrived, Bielsa had watched their 38 league games last season, writing all the details on colour-coded spreadsheets. And that really is all the details – he says: "There are 36 different forms of communicating through a pass." He watches thousands of games, building a footballing taxonomy, like some kind of botanist. If a player does something new, he labels and stores it, learning from it. Teaching from it, too. Few are so didactic: he once drew on his shoes to show players exactly which part of their foot to use, wearing them for days after. Video sessions can last five hours and players joke that they do not dare make a mistake lest the green laser rest upon them and Bielsa demand a convincing explanation.

Training is intense, even when Bielsa takes children from the crowd and gets them to deliver instructions for him. Stopwatch in hand, he preaches high pressure, constantly interrupting and demonstrating. Gangs of players sprint from pole to pole, hunting as a coordinated pack, their errors revealed to them on a laptop. There is an almost childish wonder about Pep Guardiola's description of Athletic: "They all run up … and they all run down again. Up, down, up, down, up, down. They're fascinating."

All endeavour, no aesthetics? No. Bielsa, a former Argentina and Chile manager, has altered Athletic's historic identity as the most "English" of teams, teaching them in the words of one insider "not to be afraid of the ball any more". They have scored almost twice as many headers as any other team in Spain but where the ball used to be thumped into the area at the first opportunity, it is now being worked up the pitch. Only Madrid and Barcelona have completed more passes or scored more goals. "The style is totally different," says the defender Andoni Iraola; Llorente does the "opposite" of what he did before.

Synchronisation is fundamental, attacks automatic, movement mechanised, the pitch partitioned with tape, moves constructed and deconstructed piece by piece, passes made instantly. The circulation is constant. One exercise involves eight squares: two players cannot occupy the same space; if a team-mate enters your square, you vacate it. Crossing and shooting exercises, following specific, interchanging "passageways", do not end with the shot but with players sprinting back into their starting positions. Defence and attack are not separate.

"A man with new ideas is mad until he succeeds," Bielsa notes. Athletic did not win in their first five games as they struggled to assimilate new ideas; since then, they have lost only three of 21 and are one point from the Champions League places, their best finish for 13 years on the cards.

They are in the Copa del Rey final, seeking a first trophy in 28 years, and supporters are enjoying their football like never before. The sparkle in the eye of players, the sheer number of fans travelling to England – Old Trafford's highest ever away contingent – reveals what facing Manchester United means.

A few weeks ago, Bielsa was stopped by a group of kids who asked him to sign their sticker album. He said no, he had a better idea. He took the album off them and told them to meet him the following day, same place, same time. When he turned up 24 hours later, the entire team had signed the album. Not just any team: El Loco's team, the most exciting Athletic have had in three decades.

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« Reply #4019 on: March 08, 2012, 05:31:22 PM »
It is scary how far we are being left behind in Europe..Adapt or Die and we are in the emergency room bleeding...Tactical Variation and players with alot of Technical abilty are the new trend needed in Europe..no longer can a tired United 4-4-2 be depended on in games where adapted teams using newschool tactics with pace in their passing and alot of movement off the ball will dominate the game and create countless chances be it at OT or at their respective home...We saw it with Benfica and today with Bilbao who were absolutely brilliant. They have adopted the Barca formation and to me have become the closest team to their style in terms of quick passing, movement all with technical players 1 through 11 and when they lose the ball win it back.. switch to United and we run the same old system and with some slow, technically inferior players and a team with no sharpness, intensity and invention especially from the midfield we will be exposed against teams like we did today...Where do we expect a player like the current Park to take us in Europe? he cant keep the ball, he offers f**k all going forward and his technique is horrid..Valencia for all his pace and other attributes has 1 foot and If you stop his channels then what? See Barca United 2011 final for proof ... Or Hernandez and Anderson with their great attitudes but poor ability, especially Chico.. Of the 4 i named I would like to see Park and Anderson exit the club and I would like United to not only invest in technically gifted players but also an up to date coach to come in there and shake that training center to the ground with his new forward vision and innovative tactical ways.. An oldschool English get stuck in , die for the shirt assistant coach can only take you as far as we have come in Europe...Let Fergie do what he does best and manage the situations but he needs help badly with coaching to take us forward on the Euro scene, we will always be a force in England due to our know how, experience and marathon styled theme where we can afford to slip up a few times.. In Europe its Adapt or Die, someone call the doctor

 

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