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« Reply #450 on: February 18, 2009, 07:11:01 PM »
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Why is Fergie ahead of Liverpool?

Last updated at 7:58 AM on 18th February 2009

 Sometimes the best explanations are the simplest ones. Princess Diana died because her driver was drunk and going too fast. The Twin Towers were hit by Islamic terrorists, not CIA agents. The continued success of Simon Cowell and the Osbourne family is, indeed, one of the harbingers of the apocalypse.

To this list, we can add the reason Manchester United will, in all likelihood, move five points clear of Liverpool at the top of the Premier League table by beating Fulham tonight.

They have a better team.
Now this may come as a surprise to those still looking for clues to account for the change in the balance of power this season. In recent months, many otherwise rational people have become convinced that Liverpool have frittered away supremacy in the title race based on a combination of rogue and random factors.

 Shouted down: Rafael Benitez's press conference rant didn't help his side - but it isn't the reason Liverpool lie second in the table.
Mind games played by Sir Alex Ferguson, the fractious contract negotiations of Rafael Benitez, boardroom unrest at Anfield or any number of peripheral events are believed to have inspired Manchester United to claw away at Liverpool's lead. This is good news for analysts, commentators and headline-writers, who have had, as The Flintstones theme tune puts it, a gay old time.

Without wishing to spoil the fun, however, it is more straightforward than that. Take the best Manchester United XI and the best Liverpool XI and put them together: how many of Benitez's team would get into Ferguson's? Not many. And that is why the championship is again heading for Old Trafford.

By my reckoning, maximum four, minimum two. Split the difference, call it three. Whichever way, there is nothing here to suggest that Liverpool can get the better of Manchester United this season, or next, without substantial upgrading in the summer.

Using it, Liverpool would be placed above Chelsea, although not by a huge distance. Manchester United, by contrast, would dominate Chelsea with just one player (Frank Lampard) or a generous three (Lampard plus Jose Bosingwa and Ashley Cole) getting into Ferguson's current team.

Assessment is made on form this season, not reputation. So while there may have been a time when Jose Reina, Liverpool's goalkeeper, would have shaded it from Edwin van der Sar, in goal for Manchester United, it is not right now when the Dutchman has beaten a long-standing British record for minutes without conceding a league goal, and is closing in on the 1,390- minute European record set by Dany Verlinden of Club Brugge in Belgium in 1990.

Javier Mascherano is another who would have walked into the holding midfield role at any club last season, but he has been a disappointment this year, perhaps as a result of his exertions for Argentina during the Olympics.

That leaves Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard as the two Liverpool players who would definitely be accommodated in the Manchester United team while, on a good day, one of Xabi Alonso or Mascherano could make the defensive midfield and an out-of-position Jamie Carragher would contend at full back.
 Tag team: Gerrard and Torres are the only Liverpool players who would definitely win a place in Ferguson's line-up.
Benitez's penchant for drama has drawn understandably negative comment as Liverpool's grip on the prize has weakened, but he cannot be held solely responsible. His squad deficiencies are being exposed just as Manchester United's strength in depth is at its most apparent.

Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, had it right. Asked about the mind games that famously denied Newcastle United the title in 1996, he replied that Newcastle's defence, not Kevin Keegan's outburst on Sky TV, determined the final placings. Logical explanations get you nowhere in the pantomime that is the Premier League, though, so instead we waste valuable time analysing pronouncements from Old Trafford, and their effect, at the expense of crediting what is arguably the finest squad of footballers assembled by an English club.

There has never been a group like the one at Manchester United. Gary Neville versus Wes Brown versus Rafael da Silva, and that is just for the right back spot. Wayne Rooney versus Dimitar Berbatov versus Carlos Tevez versus Cristiano Ronaldo. Yet we ignore this and become distracted by Rafa's rant.

There are similarities with the collapse of England's cricket team in Jamaica two weeks ago, in that several small factors might have made an impact on the cohesion of the team, but none were actually in the middle with bat in hand.

So Benitez does not get on with Rick Parry, the chief executive? Big deal.

Jimmy Greaves, in wonderfully flippant mode, summed up the inconsequence of departmental relationships on the dressing room, by recalling his time at Tottenham Hotspur. 'Most of us didn't like Bill Nicholson, and Bill Nicholson didn't like us,' he said. 'In fact, the only thing we all agreed on was that we couldn't stand the board of directors.'

Benitez's distance from Parry and George Gillett, one half of the partnership of American owners, may be a problem for the long-term stability of the club and could be very damaging in the summer if he leaves, but it should not be, here and now, an issue for the playing staff. Nor should Benitez's feelings about Ferguson's influence on English football have an effect.

That press conference tirade is often cited as explanation for Liverpool's reversal of fortune, but what would the fall-out be anyway? That Liverpool players rally around Benitez in the desire to stick one up United? They seem to have had that motivation for some while, judging by Mascherano's furious display at Old Trafford last season.

The idea that Benitez's claims put pressure on his players is also ridiculous; as if there were previously no pressure on a Liverpool team with an opportunity to win its first title in the modern era. Had Benitez taken a vow of silence until the end of the season, the tension at Anfield would still be oppressively thick.

The reality is that Liverpool are going up against a colossal group of players at United and no team, not even the lavishly-assembled Chelsea, can live with them right now. They have a unique multiplicity, so even the understudies of understudies would get into many good teams (as Mikael Silvestre did at Arsenal this season).

It is in many ways the perfect squad, because it also provides for the future in players such as Ben Foster, the reserve goalkeeper, and Jonny Evans, who has fitted in magnificently at centre half in the absence of Rio Ferdinand this season.

It is a sign of United's power that they could play an unconventional central midfield of Ryan Giggs and Darren Fletcher against Chelsea and still win comfortably. On another day it might be Michael Carrick and Anderson or Paul Scholes. If Benitez had United's squad he could rant at or fall out with who he liked: he would still win the league, as United almost certainly will.

Now combine the two teams, starting at the back. Both have good keepers, but there can be no argument that a man who has gone 1,212 minutes without conceding a league goal is among the players of the season. Van der Sar, therefore, gets the nod over Reina. He has been on a roll since emerging victorious from the penalty shoot-out at the Champions League final last season.

 In control: Expect Fergie to be smiling again come May.
United have three strong right backs and the only alternative would be to overlook them all for Carragher, Benitez's defensive rock, out of position in a role he has occupied in key matches in Europe. This would be appealing because, to put it bluntly, he is not getting into this team at centre half.

Those positions are reserved for Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic, an early contender for Footballer of the Year. Ferdinand's appearances through the season have been restricted by injury, but Vidic has been a constant and as a partnership they have now surpassed John Terry and Ricardo Carvalho of Chelsea.

At left back, United's Patrice Evra is the best in the country at the moment, ahead of Ashley Cole, of Chelsea.

Midfield brings another Manchester United landslide with Gerrard the only Liverpool player in a four that would comprise Ronaldo, Fletcher and Giggs. Torres would be the goalscoring spearhead, but his partner would be Rooney. Final total: Manchester United 8, Liverpool 3. And one of Liverpool's three gets in with a shoe-horn.

Despite the excellent job done by Roy Hodgson, Manchester United should beat Fulham tonight and, at that moment, a daunting lead will open up. Liverpool still have to go to Old Trafford, so the battle is not over, but the biggest shock of the season would be if United threw it away from here.

If that were the case, there genuinely would be need for an investigation - into whether Ronaldo's heart was still in Manchester, whether Berbatov's arrival had unsettled the team, if Ferguson was correct in his treatment of Tevez.

Were Manchester United to blow it, we would all be looking behind the story for clues. It is easier to work out what has gone wrong at Liverpool, though: the answer is right there, on the teamsheet.
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #451 on: February 18, 2009, 09:28:23 PM »
Anybody could tell me what Wigan, Everton, West Ham and Fulham have in common?

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All four play Liverpool in recent months, Liverpool couldn't beat them United could.

Chelsea couldn't beat three of the four either
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« Reply #452 on: February 18, 2009, 09:32:24 PM »
Anybody could tell me what Wigan, Everton, West Ham and Fulham have in common?
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« Reply #453 on: February 19, 2009, 12:10:51 AM »
Glory Glory Man Unitied, Glory Glory Man Unitied LOL........Anyone have de link to see de goals?

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« Reply #454 on: February 19, 2009, 06:41:44 AM »
"Giving away something in charity does not cause any decrease in a person's wealth, but increases it instead. The person who adopt humility for the sake of Allah is exalted in ranks by Him".
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« Reply #455 on: February 20, 2009, 07:20:30 AM »
Carlos Tevez's future at Manchester United has been thrown into fresh doubt after the striker's representative Kia Joorabchian declared he is ''studying other options''.

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The striker is not an automatic first-choice.

Tevez has been on loan at Old Trafford for nearly two years but with the deal expiring at the end of the season and United have failed to take up their option to sign the striker on a permanent basis.

"Carlos is in the market now that United have not made any move for him," Joorabchian told the Daily Star.

"We are now studying other options and interested parties. There is no option left with United any longer."

United missed the chance to seal a deal for Tevez in January, despite the Argentina international's repeated claims that he would be happy to stay in the Premier League and speculation has continued due to the fact he has only started 13 games this season.

Argentina boss Diego Maradona has urged Tevez to join Serie A leaders Inter Milan, who have been linked with a £30m bid (along with Real Madrid) in the summer, but Joorabchian's confirmation that the player's third-party owners are weighing up interest from other clubs suggests they will not be the only ones interested.

Tevez himself has said recently that he would have to wait until June to discover where he would be playing his football next season, claiming: "My mind is pointing me towards United and my plan is to stay here for several years more. I've already talked to the club and now we'll have to wait and see what happens in June.

"We talked but I've signed nothing yet. I want to stay. It would be difficult for me to quit one of the biggest clubs in the world."
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« Reply #456 on: February 20, 2009, 07:43:48 AM »
It'll be tough to see him leave but 32 million pounds is alot of money for a player who will most likely be on the bench due to Berba's class and Rooney's Spirit and Quality

I hope he could stay but Benzema and David Villa are available so

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« Reply #457 on: February 20, 2009, 08:33:05 PM »
United on the brink of history(FIFA.com) Friday 20 February 2009

As the Manchester United players stepped off the plane, looking tired and bleary eyed after returning home from Japan with the FIFA Club World Cup trophy, they could hardly have believed what they would go on to achieve. Since the Red Devils suffered a 2-1 defeat at the hands of Arsenal on 8 November 2008, Sir Alex Ferguson’s men have gone on a run of 14 games and 1,302 minutes without conceding a single Premier League goal.

The last time United’s defence was breached by Samir Nasri, USA had a different president, Hull were fourth in the table and the world was yet to feel the full effect of the global credit crunch. But despite all these changes, there has been one constant - the man between the posts. At 38, Dutchman Edwin Van der Sar is now just 89 minutes away from eclipsing the European record for consecutive clean sheets, set by FC Bruges stopper Dany Verlinden in 1990.

Standing in the way of van der Sar and United’s record breaking achievement are the rejuvenated Blackburn Rovers, with only one defeat in their last 11 games under new manager Sam Allardyce. However, despite Rovers' impressive recent run they still sit third from bottom, deep in the relegation dog-fight and will be hoping that either Norwegian winger Morten Gamst Pedersen, or strikers Benni McCarthy and Roque Santa Cruz can upset the United rearguard.


I see the clean sheets simply as a tremendous reflection on the quality of Edwin van der Sar’s goalkeeping, and the excellence of the men at the back.
Sir Alex Ferguson on United's defensive record.


Sir Alex Ferguson has produced several great sides during his 23 years in charge at Old Trafford and believes that his goalkeeper and back four are the best he has seen. “I see the clean sheets simply as a tremendous reflection on the quality of Edwin van der Sar’s goalkeeping, and the excellence of the men at the back. They have been out of this world, and I was delighted when they chalked up 14 consecutive league games without conceding a goal to set a British record, and they have a great chance of achieving a world record.”

The run of shut-outs that the world champions have gone on is made even more remarkable when you consider that their linchpin, England regular Rio Ferdinand, has missed ten of those games with a back injury. A lot of the credit has to be awarded to Nemanja Vidic, who has been touted as a possible Player of the Year in England. Many people raised a few eyebrows when the relative unknown was signed from Spartak Moscow for £7 million in January 2006, but the centre-back has been an outstanding performer since his arrival, receiving rave reviews for his aggressive, no-nonsense style and his ability to score vital goals, none more so than the last minute winner against Sunderland this season.


The Red Devils seem to be getting better and better as each game passes and Ferguson believes the the team can achieve even more success. "We may not win every game between now and May, but that will be our aim. There is also a mental toughness in the team these days that will stand us in good stead as the pressure builds. This group of players has been together for a couple of seasons, and they have developed strong bonds. This has fostered the type of stability needed for success, and I think we are going to take some beating.”

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #459 on: February 21, 2009, 11:09:21 AM »
de game comin on fsc 20 mins.lookin fuh man u to rip blackburn ah new asshole.
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« Reply #460 on: February 21, 2009, 11:18:48 AM »
com on santa cruz, jason whey yuh deh. jus score 1 on van der sa nah
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #461 on: February 21, 2009, 11:20:24 AM »
com on santa cruz, jason whey yuh deh. jus score 1 on van der sa nah
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« Reply #462 on: February 21, 2009, 11:28:52 AM »
die hard present and accounted for  :salute:
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« Reply #463 on: February 21, 2009, 11:32:32 AM »
eh? no van der sar
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« Reply #464 on: February 21, 2009, 11:55:44 AM »
1 nil  ;D rooney
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« Reply #465 on: February 21, 2009, 12:05:42 PM »
meh Blackburn score
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« Reply #466 on: February 21, 2009, 12:06:04 PM »
santa cruz in de 32nd.fukker.
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« Reply #467 on: February 21, 2009, 12:21:54 PM »
Time for Nani to come off, he playing shit.
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« Reply #468 on: February 21, 2009, 12:24:04 PM »
Time for Nani to come off, he playing shit.

dais a regular thing yes
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« Reply #469 on: February 21, 2009, 12:54:29 PM »
 :devil: 2-1 RONALDO
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« Reply #470 on: February 21, 2009, 01:27:31 PM »
UTD UTD UTD  :devil: :devil: :devil:

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« Reply #471 on: February 21, 2009, 01:37:15 PM »
You expect big teams to get the calls but Webb had a poor game today. United cannot be blamed for his decisions obviously, but Blackburn will feel they should have at least been given something.
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« Reply #472 on: February 21, 2009, 02:08:49 PM »
city will cut liverpool ass tomorrow. :devil:
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« Reply #473 on: February 21, 2009, 02:19:19 PM »
allya doh get tired of dis every week :devil:

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« Reply #474 on: February 21, 2009, 02:22:05 PM »
allya doh get tired of dis every week :devil:

Good match ManU
how u will get tired of this,this is pure adrenaline
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« Reply #475 on: February 21, 2009, 03:18:47 PM »
allya doh get tired of dis every week :devil:

Good match ManU
how u will get tired of this,this is pure adrenaline
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« Reply #476 on: February 21, 2009, 06:00:05 PM »
wham allyuh? like current went when CRonaldo dive .. ah mean simulate a foul ... ah mean try to con the referee ... ah mean cheat and get ketch.

how come none ah allyuh mention this?

what is it that this boy have in him that he LOVE to thief and cheat so?
Is a good thing he eh no banker, otherwise he woulda be just as unscrupulous as Madoff and Stanford.
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« Reply #477 on: February 21, 2009, 06:39:54 PM »
wham allyuh? like current went when CRonaldo dive .. ah mean simulate a foul ... ah mean try to con the referee ... ah mean cheat and get ketch.
how come none ah allyuh mention this?
what is it that this boy have in him that he LOVE to thief and cheat so?
Is a good thing he eh no banker, otherwise he woulda be just as unscrupulous as Madoff and Stanford.
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« Reply #478 on: February 22, 2009, 07:31:35 PM »
I would love to see if he could get away with, it would be funny. I was reading this and I thought ,I can't believe he said this out loud! I am sure he was joking but .....


ALEX FERGUSON would love to send on Fabio Da Silva as a half-time sub for his identical twin Rafael — without notifying the referee.

The Manchester United boss said: “We have two great Brazilian defenders in Fabio and Rafael and it’s impossible to distinguish who is who.


“My dream would be to start one and replace him with the other without anyone noticing. They are extraordinary, they really adore football."

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« Reply #479 on: February 22, 2009, 07:46:10 PM »
interesting
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