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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1320 on: February 20, 2010, 11:52:33 AM »
Everton were better on the day, jus like they were better than Chelsea. Everton's dynamic game and energy jus outdid Utd, especially in the 2nd half. Tings finally caught up to men like Evans and Brown - cah get Vidic & Rio back in d middle fast enough yes.

I thought this was a good game to stick with the modfied 4-5-1 as well, considering Everton's strength in midfield - playing 4-4-2 with Berbatov jus leaves too much open space and he's not playing well enough just yet to justify changing a working system na.

Say what doh, back to 4 points - sucks but still some way to go.

I like how men does get on other men back for not postin when they side loss. For one ting, what exactly men supposed to say - and then once we do say anyting at all, men still wa reply wit nonsensical shit :)

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« Reply #1321 on: February 20, 2010, 12:01:10 PM »
First ManU game I watch in a while, I make a habit of not watching sh!t.

Big up Landon Donovan although he did not score he played for the team and never stopped running. ManU's defense was all at sea in the end, as usual Wes Brown was shown for the $hithound that he really is.


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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1322 on: February 20, 2010, 12:02:59 PM »
Midweek hangover.... United looked tired and just couldnt get into another gear... The league still has many upsets to go

but 4 points are alot so It will take a combination of good form and luck to overturn the gap

Credit to Everton..they were more up for it

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1323 on: February 20, 2010, 12:05:53 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers


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« Reply #1324 on: February 20, 2010, 12:10:17 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers




Chelsea were beaten 3-1 by Wigan earlier in the season - a worse result than this for sure. But say what, none a da matters right now - dey doin wa dey hadda do and we not - credit to dem I suppose.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1325 on: February 20, 2010, 12:16:12 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers




Chelsea were beaten 3-1 by Wigan earlier in the season - a worse result than this for sure. But say what, none a da matters right now - dey doin wa dey hadda do and we not - credit to dem I suppose.

As Fergie said whoever is the most consistent will win the League ... hopefully we can go on a winning streak

Liverpool,Chelsea,Spurs at home and City away are the 4 most dangerous fixtures left... all must wins

Chelsea travel to Liverpool,Spurs and United ...and host City and Villa

Plenty points to be dropped and won between United and Chelsea... race will go down to the wire... And Arsenal already played all top 4 clubs.. they only have Spurs and City to worry about.. but a few injuries and they will destroy themselves

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« Reply #1326 on: February 20, 2010, 01:01:36 PM »
Man U were outworked- probably sluggish from midweek Champions League.

Everton's performance was one of the hardest working and most disciplined performances I've seen in a while.   

Donovan again had a strong game.

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« Reply #1327 on: February 20, 2010, 03:34:35 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers



Forward ever, backward never, lol. I cah believe yall would post results from last season or try to remind me of yuh history jus to prove yuh side is any good. All dat history and Everton still palance all over yuh today  :rotfl:

Dont hate. At least we can agree that yall are better than Arsenal.  :beermug:

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1328 on: February 20, 2010, 04:53:19 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers



Forward ever, backward never, lol. I cah believe yall would post results from last season or try to remind me of yuh history jus to prove yuh side is any good. All dat history and Everton still palance all over yuh today  :rotfl:

Dont hate. At least we can agree that yall are better than Arsenal.  :beermug:

so u want me to post a result from the future? let me check my crystal ball and get back to yuh
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1329 on: February 20, 2010, 04:54:14 PM »
Do big sides get beaten by 2 goals?


Manchester United 3-0 Chelsea 11 January 2009  English Premier League , more like 3 nil

you cant put that result DHW...he said big sides... a team that has won only 3 titles and nothing in Europe should belong in the category of mediocre

Know your place Rentboys... 3 titles... f**king jokers



true, they aint even have a European title
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1330 on: February 20, 2010, 05:03:26 PM »
as soon as men loss, they does run for de history book.  :rotfl: :rotfl:

allyuh starting to sound like liverpool fans now.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1331 on: February 20, 2010, 07:12:34 PM »

as soon as men loss, they does run for de history book.  :rotfl: :rotfl:

allyuh starting to sound like liverpool fans now.

in the words of a wise man...

"boy stop live inna de past, just remember when man ah ride ass!!"

I does always render my contemptuous grin whenever I seeing them manUre and liverpool fans pulling out "history" and "pedigree" as weapons and not one fart a dem are from from either of those cities, grew with the clubs or was even alive to know how they earned their "status".  :rotfl: 


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« Reply #1332 on: February 20, 2010, 08:43:09 PM »

as soon as men loss, they does run for de history book.  :rotfl: :rotfl:

allyuh starting to sound like liverpool fans now.

in the words of a wise man...

"boy stop live inna de past, just remember when man ah ride ass!!"

I does always render my contemptuous grin whenever I seeing them manUre and liverpool fans pulling out "history" and "pedigree" as weapons and not one fart a dem are from from either of those cities, grew with the clubs or was even alive to know how they earned their "status".  :rotfl: 

What you talking about....? Dey know all de chunes... and history daiz all that does matter...!

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1333 on: February 20, 2010, 11:26:49 PM »
We have history and recent glory... we are not Liverpool basking in the glory of the 80's

Last 3 seasons have resulted in 3 EPL titles,1 Champions League title, 2 Community Shield titles, 1 league Cup, 1 World Club Cup

this season we are in the Carling Cup Final again..very decent position to be challenging for a 4th consecutive prem(considering our lack of defense for the entire season).. 90 minutes away from a CL quarterfinal ...

All with a season long defensive crisis including Goalkeeper and without Ronaldo

We are only in February.... and Rio and Vidic are back... beware.. the ride isnt over yet


Enjoy your 2 FA Cup's over that same period posted above...mediocre shit side


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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1334 on: February 21, 2010, 09:44:50 AM »
as soon as men loss, they does run for de history book.  :rotfl: :rotfl:

allyuh starting to sound like liverpool fans now.

in the words of a wise man...

"boy stop live inna de past, just remember when man ah ride ass!!"


they should keep this on the front cover of the history book

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1335 on: February 21, 2010, 11:24:22 AM »
These supporters real brittle boy, like they eh sure about their foundation or what. Why they have to defend theyself so?
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« Reply #1336 on: February 21, 2010, 11:57:53 AM »
Haha men defend dey side an get pong - men doh defend dey side an get pong. Cah win wit haters yes.

And is one a you'll men da make d statement "big side does lose by 2 goals?" - men like me an Small Mag jus disprovin da - d past is d past, but 1 bad loss eh make ur side shit all of a sudden haha.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1337 on: February 23, 2010, 04:11:49 PM »
United 3 West Ham 0

Rooney x2... Owen

Great response.. very good performance... especially from Valencia, Scholes, Rooney and Berba... Gibson and Park were good too

Defense were good as well.. Vidic was tops..quality player..... Foster even had a good one

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1338 on: February 27, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »
Manchester United fans prepare to show their true colours at Wembley

Green and gold will outnumber the traditional black and red at Wembley on Sunday as supporters unite against the Glazers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2010/feb/27/manchester-united-glazers-wembley-protest 

When a Manchester United supporter still known only as "chatmaster" floated the idea on an internet messageboard that fans might defy the debt-laden Glazer family's ownership by wearing green and gold, he can surely not have dreamed the scale the demonstration would reach. At tomorrow's Carling Cup final against Aston Villa, United fans in their thousands will arrive at Wembley sporting scarves or shirts in those original colours of Newton Heath, the club formed in 1878 by workers on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway, which later became Manchester United.

It will, surely, be the first time in football history that fans choose a showpiece final to protest en masse against their club's owners, and that signifies the remarkably educated nature of this United fans' campaign. The half-hearted argument that they have nothing to demonstrate about given three Premier League championships, a Champions League trophy and now yet another Wembley final since the Glazers bought the club in 2005, is having no impact.

Last month the Glazers published their bond-raising prospectus setting out the details of their ownership. The fans know that Sir Alex Ferguson and his team's success has been achieved despite the £716m of debt the Glazers loaded on to the club, the £464m fees and interest for which United have since become liable, and the £22.9m the family have taken out in fees and personal loans. No justification of that, or attempt to say it has not affected the club, from Ferguson, the chief executive, David Gill, or the Glazer family's representative, has swayed general outrage among fans whose ticket prices have steadily risen to pay for it all.

"It had a very powerful impact for fans to see from the Glazers, in their own document, that so much money is going out of the club," says Duncan Drasdo, chief executive of the Manchester United Supporters' Trust. "Green and gold has become so effective because it is a clear way to protest against the Glazers while supporting the team and proposing a better vision for United. It feels now like a widespread movement for change."

The yearning fuelled by this reaction is for United to be owned not by investors like the Glazers, but by the supporters, for the club to be truly a club. Given the scale of finance required to buy the Glazers out, presumably with a profit, and the £716m debts to take on or pay off, this is beyond a movement of ordinary fans. The trust, though, is in contact with the "red knights", a group of wealthy United supporters developing a bid to put to the Glazers. That, Drasdo says, is likely to involve 40 or so people taking a small stake each, and giving opportunities to the trust and fans generally to build up a shareholding.

Andy Green, an investment professional and United supporter who wrote a challenging open letter to Gill last week under his blogging name Andersred, says: "There is a very serious process going on in the City, with investors looking at a structure in which fans can develop as significant a stake as possible. Key will be persuading the Glazers to sell."

Keith Harris, the merchant banker and United supporter working with the red knights group, called this week for supporters to hit the Glazers where the prospectus showed they would be truly damaged, by withholding the money that services all that interest and fees. Drasdo says the prospect of replacing the Glazers with ownership more suited to United's character is hugely important to fans.

"Supporters do have very significant power because the Glazers' financial plans rely on fans continuing to pay their money in a variety of ways," he says. "I think when a very credible bid comes forward, fans will then feel most motivated to wield that power. We already know there is a huge drop in demand for executive facilities, and we believe many people will not renew those subscriptions next season."

The Glazers' representative has declined to comment on any alternative bid, and continued to say the family are long-term investors at United. Yet anger at the debts their takeover has imposed on the club, the other north American "leveraged buyout" at Liverpool, and Portsmouth's financial collapse has popularised the idea of supporter-owned football clubs beyond the passions of a small group of active fans. Supporters from the City of London to the Stretford End are asking why great sporting institutions like Manchester United should be owned by speculators from Florida with no previous connection to it, rather than the crowds of adherents who have supported it for life.

Some fans did turn away from Old Trafford immediately after the Glazer takeover in 2005, and today FC United of Manchester, the supporter-owned club that has since enjoyed three promotions to the UniBond League Premier Division, are holding a rally "Beyond the Debt" at their Gigg Lane ground, to promote supporter ownership.

"Those of us who formed FC United did so because we recognised there was a need to provide a positive, supporter and community-focused alternative," says Andy Walsh, the anti-Glazer campaigner turned general manager of the club. Today's rally will be attended by the Liverpool supporters group Spirit of Shankly, Portsmouth fans and Dave Boyle, the chief executive of Supporters Direct, the organisation that promotes democratic fan involvement in clubs.

Boyle and Walsh were in Brussels this week lobbying the European Parliament for an idea whose time, they believe, has come – together with Uefa, which enshrines in its document "Vision Europe" the idea that clubs should be clubs, owned by the fans. "In an ideal world," it says, "all clubs would be controlled and run by their members – eg supporters – according to democratic principles."

At Gigg Lane today and in green and gold at Wembley tomorrow, supporters will be united in campaigning for football to reassess its tortured relationship with money and rediscover its true colours.
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« Reply #1339 on: March 01, 2010, 05:17:52 PM »
Group considers United bid
Financiers in secret meeting to discuss potential takeover offer

Sky News sources understand leading city financiers have met to discuss a potential takeover bid for Premier League champions Manchester United.

Representatives from law firm Freshfields and investment bank Goldman Sachs, among others, are understood to have been involved in the secret meeting.

Informally known as 'the Red Knights', the group held talks regarding a potential offer to buy out the Glazer family, who are unpopular with United fans.

The mammoth debts at Old Trafford have recently sparked a green and gold protest from supporters as the fans call on the Glazers to leave the club.

A £500million bonds issue has been used to help refinance the debts, and Sky sources understand the Glazers are not looking to sell.

However, Keith Harris, who has been involved with the group considering a potential takeover, recently called on supporters to start boycotting matches in an attempt to force the Glazers' hand.

Big ask
Harris said last week: "Turning up to games 10 minutes late and things like that just doesn't do the job.

"The green and gold protest is fabulous, a symbolic and significant message to the owners. It is like the white handkerchiefs in Spain. But that won't force the Glazers to sell to us.

"However, if enough people - and I am talking about thousands - stop turning up to matches and do not renew their tickets, then that does it. The supporters have to hurt the Glazers in their pockets.

"They have to be prepared to take the pain of not watching their club in order to achieve a long-term gain. Supporters have to be galvanised to say, 'We will not come. We will not buy programmes and merchandise'.

"It's a big ask, it's a risk, but that is what must happen. The Glazers are thick-skinned and seem impervious to protest. They will not be impervious to enormous drops in their revenue.

"I would not talk about this if I didn't have full confidence in our ability to raise the money to do this. I never talk publicly unless I have confidence. Getting the money together is the easy bit.

"But we can't make an offer until the Glazers are placed in a position where they are forced to consider it."
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1340 on: March 01, 2010, 05:29:16 PM »
what the f**k is this  ???
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1341 on: March 01, 2010, 08:41:44 PM »
I hope this shit does not f**k up our chances in the run in

I doubt it will have an impact on the players though... Fergie will sort everything out and he will let the Fans fight the Glazers without having any impact on the players

Let Anchelotti attempt that na.. shithong

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« Reply #1342 on: March 01, 2010, 09:04:51 PM »
I hope this shit does not f**k up our chances in the run in

I doubt it will have an impact on the players though... Fergie will sort everything out and he will let the Fans fight the Glazers without having any impact on the players

Let Anchelotti attempt that na.. shithong

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« Reply #1343 on: March 02, 2010, 08:59:15 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyPr-YFqM8
Haha check that vid out... hilarious
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« Reply #1344 on: March 02, 2010, 09:14:30 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyPr-YFqM8
Haha check that vid out... hilarious

No offense to your humor but this really makes United look Gay.... and we all know that Arseanal have de most batty men...!

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« Reply #1345 on: March 02, 2010, 09:29:21 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyPr-YFqM8
Haha check that vid out... hilarious

No offense to your humor but this really makes United look Gay.... and we all know that Arseanal have de most batty men...!

James Corden (the fat guy) is hilarious... Check this vid of him bashing the England players..
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« Reply #1346 on: March 02, 2010, 02:41:42 PM »
Hopefully the Red Knights (or others like them) can rid us of this cancer.
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Red Knights give Manchester United fans hope of respite from Glazers

Red Knights ride to the rescue of United's green-and-gold loyalists but will the Glazers play ball?





 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/mar/02/red-knights-manchester-united-glazers/print


During all the Manchester United fans' long campaigning against what they have seen as serial financial exploitation of them and their cherished club, beginning with the Stock Market plc and ending with the Glazer family, they have nurtured the hope that United could ultimately become owned by supporters, not speculators. The outburst of green and gold in the stands expresses a yearning for United to embody the earthier, working-class roots of their Newton Heath railway worker founders, from long before a family from Florida loaded the club with £716m debt solely to finance its own takeover.

Whether that yearning can evolve into a solid transformation and exit by the Glazers depends on the hard-headed detail beginning to be knocked together in the City of London. Sentiment alone will not buy the club but, if the Red Knights really are United supporters who can raise a great deal of money and work with the Manchester United Supporters Trust to widen ownership, profound change could at least be possible.

The reported presence in yesterday's "Red Knights" meeting of Paul Marshall, the hedge fund founder who has called for the club to be supporter-owned like Barcelona, gives hope for the genuineness of the idea. It shows, too, how widespread the revulsion has been to the revelations about United's debts contained in January's prospectus by which United were seeking to borrow £500m in bonds, at 8.75% interest "yield" – £43.75m a year.

The prospectus set out the detail, that in yet another Premier League winning season, 2008-09, United made a profit only because they sold Cristiano Ronaldo for £81m. It itemised the £22.9m the Glazers themselves have been paid in fees and personal loans and how much more they can take out.

The attitude no longer washes that somehow the fans do not understand finance and that this is all fine for United. Fans from working-class Mancunians to the men in the City yesterday have united in seeing through the blandishments to the core fact: a great football club has been lumped with punishing debt for no purpose other than a profit the Glazers ultimately seek for themselves.

Even the success United have had under the Glazers, and the formidable run into which Sir Alex Ferguson has whipped his team since they lost 1-0 at home to Leeds United in the FA Cup, has not appeased fans who see simply how much better the club would be without pouring fortunes out to a debt mountain.

Yet before any takeover becomes real there are, of course, major challenges. Put bluntly, they are: can this group of 40 or so people raise anything like the money required to make a realistic offer and, even if they do, would the Glazers sell?

To the first question, assumptions and figures are tossed around. The assumption is that the Glazers, who seem so resolutely thick-skinned in the face of their always stormy welcome in Manchester, would certainly not go without a profit. Of the original £810m purchase price in 2005, they paid £272m, with the rest borrowed from banks and, very expensively, from hedge funds. The presumption is that they would want a significant increase on that £272m before they even entertain a sale. The Red Knights would have to find that, and also take on or pay off the £716m debt. That takes the amount a group of wealthy Manchester United fans need to raise up to around £1bn, a massive mound.

Even if they do, the family has said it is not for selling. The sole point of the bond issue was to enable the Glazers to take money out of the club, £95m initially, to part pay-off the hedge funds whose £202m loans are accruing interest at a heartbreaking 14.25%, rising to 16.25% this August. With that device achieved, and a Wayne Rooney-inspired United still successful enough, the Glazers may dig in for what they claim they want – to remain owners for the long term.

That is where the combination of wealthy, sympathetic buyers and the green and gold mass of fans becomes intriguing. If the Red Knights can raise the money, and supporters, including corporate subscribers, are motivated to vote by wielding their right not to pour their hard-earned into the Glazers' business plans, the family could come under sustained pressure. Delivering so huge a club to wealthy supporters in combination with a supporters trust looks a red devil of a project but it could just have legs.
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1347 on: March 06, 2010, 11:47:49 AM »
Lets go Devils  :devil:
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1348 on: March 06, 2010, 12:29:05 PM »
Diouf for Gibson, Obertan for Nani in the second half perhaps - Reds need a spark and another striker on the park I tink.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #1349 on: March 06, 2010, 01:04:53 PM »
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