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[rotatopoti3]

Fergie lucky Kenny did hang up he coaching wuck for ah long while...

[Bakes]

I believe he thought Kuyt was offside on the line when the ball came across. When Suarez beat Van Der Sar, There was nobody else behind him.

Either that, or he just wanted to cuss somebody and figure he could rough up the linesman.

Seems he was protesting for offside, but the last defender got a nick on the ball for one, and Kuyt was behind the ball for another.

[Small Magician aka Wazza]

Fergie lucky Kenny did hang up he coaching wuck for ah long while...

his 5th win in 26 vs Fergie

Get the f**k outta here

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

[Small Magician aka Wazza]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

no.. VDS thought it was because it looked offside at first but replays showed he(kuyt) was behind the ball

[Bakes]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

[Mango Chow!]

scratchin' my head like bone-buryin' dog to figure out what it is van der saar was rushing over to the linesman in such a heat to argue about.

I believe he thought Kuyt was offside on the line when the ball came across. When Suarez beat Van Der Sar, There was nobody else behind him.

Either that, or he just wanted to cuss somebody and figure he could rough up the linesman.

Ah now see de replay again and in my mind it confirm your latter.  You could see that kuyt run onto that ball from behind the plane of the ball.  It doh matter hummuch men was behind him after dat. He had no argument..I just find that football coming to a poiint now that when a goal score, (or don't score, as paul scholes demonstrated) players will automatically raise their arms in protest.  It becoming instinctive and creating a domino effect kinda ting.  berbatov head de ball onto the liverpool player belly, berba start to scream bloody murder and set off scholes (who had a clear, unobstructed, 7-yard view).  

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

[rotatopoti3]

Small mag u iz kicks yes....

doh study it...tis is one fella fergie dont like losing too...but say wha...3-1 aint bad..coulda be 3-0

[Mango Chow!]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

[Mango Chow!]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

page 31.

[Fyzoman]

Et tu Bakes:)

Nah on de real Nani slam he RIGHT hand on de ground. the ground NOT at the St John's Ambulance staff.

The St johns Ambulance staff really man pull back he head but not because Nani swiped at his head, because Nani hand on de upswing to slam his RIGHT hand to de ground come up close to the St. Johns Ambo man head.

meh DVR working for me today boy....and again even in real-time it didn't look to me like swipe at nobody it look like he slam he hand to ground in frustration when he realize how hurt he really was.

NOW if allyuh could go back and watch it on Tivo or DVR and see something different, well then something wrong with dese two big eye ah mine.

[kev]

Picture of Nani's leg

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

page 31.

There is no reference in the laws to an exception for a back pass or ball played by opponent. Therefore Kuyt was offside. Q.E.D. See the law below:

Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

[Blue]

Two losses in a row, Nani out for a spell, Rio still on de sidelines, and potential losses against Arsenal and Chelsea still to come.....champions? 

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

page 31.

There is no reference in the laws to an exception for a back pass or ball played by opponent. Therefore Kuyt was offside. Q.E.D. See the law below:

Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

OK.... got it.

[Fyzoman]

Picture of Nani's leg

Thanks kev, ah wonder if ah injury like dis will cause ah man to slam he hand into ground in frustration boy?

[Fyzoman]

Additionally, and ah could be jumping de gun here eh...but if it was ah Manu man make dat c$%thole tackle, well lord have mercy, we wouldna hear de end ah dat and it woulda be ref dis and de ref dat, but oh well, at least he get ah yellow.

[Mango Chow!]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

page 31.

There is no reference in the laws to an exception for a back pass or ball played by opponent. Therefore Kuyt was offside. Q.E.D. See the law below:

Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

OK.... got it.

I eh sure if dat mean yuh accepting that he wasn't offside...

[Small Magician aka Wazza]

Additionally, and ah could be jumping de gun here eh...but if it was ah Manu man make dat c$%thole tackle, well lord have mercy, we wouldna hear de end ah dat and it woulda be ref dis and de ref dat, but oh well, at least he get ah yellow.

Ent.. you wouldnt hear the end of it

That was one nasty tackle

[Mango Chow!]

Additionally, and ah could be jumping de gun here eh...but if it was ah Manu man make dat c$%thole tackle, well lord have mercy, we wouldna hear de end ah dat and it woulda be ref dis and de ref dat, but oh well, at least he get ah yellow.

  but manu players HAVE made c**thole tackles like this and gotten away with it....I seem to recall Drogba gettin' a yellow card for takin' a drop-kick from johnny evans (or was it Drogba stampin' he chest on evans' studs?).  Two weeks in a row, ferdinand drop-kick two separate players and get off scott-free.  Any of those tackles coulda cause serious injury.  now, a man like me will take back my take on nanni's "overreacting" as I though.....but ah cyah feel sorry for manu as a whole and ah cyah take allyuh too seriously when, for YEARS, ya;; side have benefitted and celebrated many wins and trophies on bad refereeing and y'all comin' now and wanting to put up defiant fronts about what people would have to say......All this "karma" that is coming back to yall side, as plentiful as the fans (and fergie) may want to make it, is but a drop in the bucket for all the karma that manu has put out.

[doc]

Was Kuyt offside for the second goal?

No... the pass came off Nani's head inadvertently... aka intercepted back pass.

I've always heard this, but never found it in the "laws" as explained.

  You could never be offside on a ball played by an opponent.

where in the laws do you get that? That was, but is it still so?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

page 31.

There is no reference in the laws to an exception for a back pass or ball played by opponent. Therefore Kuyt was offside. Q.E.D. See the law below:

Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

OK.... got it.

I eh sure if dat mean yuh accepting that he wasn't offside...

I'm accepting that he wasn't offside. In the midst of the most recent changes to Law 11,the silence on the defences play has let it open to subjective calls. For example I've seen calls made against attacking teams where the ref would have called Kuyt offside.

[Reaper2004]

Fergie silent after Reds reverse

A bad day for Manchester United may get even worse after Sir Alex Ferguson failed to show for any of his post-match duties in the aftermath of Sunday`s 3-1 defeat at Liverpool.

Ferguson cancelled his pre-match briefing on Friday in protest at the coverage given to his post-match quotes at Chelsea on Tuesday that have landed him with an improper conduct charge, plus the furore that surrounded Wayne Rooney's elbowing of Wigan's James McCarthy last weekend.

In a pre-planned move, United also blanked the media on Sunday. Ferguson did not speak to host broadcaster Sky Sports, either before or after his side's third Premier League defeat of the season.

His assistant Mike Phelan did not carry out his usual post-match engagements with the BBC, arranged due to Ferguson's long-standing feud with the organisation. Radio rights holders talkSPORT were also left without any comment from the visitors.

Should any of these organisations complain to the Premier League, the governing body will be forced to act, escalating the problem between Ferguson and the BBC, with the fines for his non-compliance still waiting to be made public.

For the first time, even United's own television channel, MUTV, left a senior game without any reaction, which is an embarrassing situation in itself.

Whatever the hell you are smoking Fergs QUIT 

[Mango Chow!]

I hear yuh doc.....it kinda didn't help that nanni seemed to have head the ball in a totally different direction than its original path.....he seemed to have head it backward and that could not have helped.

[Bakes]

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

Doc... see the relevant highlighted sentence above.

Additionally, and ah could be jumping de gun here eh...but if it was ah Manu man make dat c$%thole tackle, well lord have mercy, we wouldna hear de end ah dat and it woulda be ref dis and de ref dat, but oh well, at least he get ah yellow.

Come nah man Fyzo... need I bring up the shenanigans from the FA Cup match?  Need I talk, yet again, about Rafael's imprudent attempt to clearly inflict maximum pain, if not injury on Lucas??  Unless your argument is that Carragher attempted to intentionally hurt Nani and got away with it then the ref took everything into consideration and gave him the benefit of the doubt... just as he did with Rafael... rather generously since the latter tackle was no accident.

[Peong]

That pic make meh sick.

[Mango Chow!]

fergie not speaking to the media actually does better service to football than when he does and it actually helps more than hurts his..legacy. 

[elan]

Chelsea beat Man Utd and you can hardly find it on soccernet.com. Liverpool beat Man Utd and it all over the front page.

[kev]

Its a pointless debate who gets most from refs, by anybodies standard on first view (live) that was a red card, same with rapheal (and btw maxi, just before he launched himself), but these teams get away with it week in week out.  Does anybody believe if that was a Wigan, Stoke, Sunderland player with that tackle he would of stayed on the pitch, no way.

Just watched Wolves v Spurs, Hutton should of been sent off, he didn't get sent off, a good goal disallowed, its not a coincidence.

Ferguson hasn't come out and said something, Daglish copped out, but I will guarantee he won't cop out if it happens to one of his players.

The nett result is that you will see refs send off players next week for challenges that are no where near as bad or dangerous and the status quo will carry on.  Its time this nonsense was stopped not just for the few protected sides but for the whole league.