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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5520 on: April 09, 2014, 01:40:22 PM »
Reporting for duty.

Yuh eyes bleeding yet after watching that first half?
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« Reply #5521 on: April 09, 2014, 02:02:56 PM »
I ent even get a chance to come and post about Evra goal...
That lead lasted all of 22 seconds.
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« Reply #5522 on: April 09, 2014, 02:09:28 PM »
I ent even get a chance to come and post about Evra goal...
That lead lasted all of 22 seconds.
Scored a beauty and then  seconds later he lose his man who scored the equalizer.
As ah type that, back to back dunce plays by Evra
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« Reply #5523 on: April 09, 2014, 02:12:58 PM »
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« Reply #5524 on: April 09, 2014, 02:18:54 PM »
Killer!
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« Reply #5525 on: April 09, 2014, 02:20:10 PM »
I was now saying to myself on the prior united attack, that Bayern don't have a park-the-bus mode.
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5526 on: April 09, 2014, 02:21:06 PM »
Hater reporting for duty.
That's more like it.

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5527 on: April 20, 2014, 10:58:56 AM »
The darkest hour is just before the dawn.

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« Reply #5528 on: April 20, 2014, 11:30:29 AM »
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5530 on: April 21, 2014, 08:53:11 AM »
Reports this morning is that rotten sack of potatoes is about to get tossed.. Fire him already!!!

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5531 on: April 21, 2014, 03:05:02 PM »
So it ends. Finally. Praying
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« Reply #5532 on: April 21, 2014, 08:35:24 PM »
Moyes to be fired tomorrow, Giggs in charge and then try to woo Klopp to Man United.
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« Reply #5533 on: April 22, 2014, 02:14:03 AM »
Doubt they will get Klopp.

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« Reply #5535 on: April 22, 2014, 02:40:28 AM »
He got the sack 1 hour and 40 minutes ago. 0800 BST; 0300 EST.
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« Reply #5536 on: April 22, 2014, 02:46:10 AM »
I have been as firm an advocate of being fair to Moyes... but I don't think he realize is Man U. he coaching.  Here is Rodgers' take on Moyes' statement that Liverpool were the favorites in today's match:

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“I would never say that at Liverpool -- even if I was bottom of the league.  Anfield is Anfield.”

... enter the dragon of Everton and post-Everton comments.
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« Reply #5537 on: April 22, 2014, 02:55:28 AM »
The Special One must be feeling a sense of ... "something special". Ah sure he eating ah hearty breakfast.
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5538 on: April 22, 2014, 03:44:19 AM »
David Moyes: Manchester United manager sacked by club
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Manchester United manager David Moyes has been sacked, only 10 months after succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson.

He was dismissed at a meeting with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward at the club's Carrington training ground shortly after 0800 BST.

Moyes, 50, was chosen by Ferguson as the man to succeed him when he retired after 26 years in charge last summer.

United said player-coach Ryan Giggs will take charge "until a permanent appointment can be made".

His first match as interim boss will be the home game against Norwich on Saturday.

The BBC understands coaches Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden have also left their posts, but goalkeeping coach Chris Woods and first team coach Phil Neville will remain with the club for the rest of the season.
United had refused to comment on national newspaper reports  on Monday that Moyes - who left Everton to sign a six-year deal with the Premier League champions - would be dismissed before the end of the season.

But in a statement on Tuesday the club said it "would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role".

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Most unsurprising news ever? Right when he was picked by Ferguson I knew it was bad. I'm wracking my brain to find the quote that basically says that the most common failure in leaders is picking/training an heir of quality to take over... If anyone can help me on that you'll save me torturing myself over not remembering it.

Basically, it was stupid to assume that because he was a good manager that he'd be able to pick a good manager.
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« Reply #5539 on: April 22, 2014, 04:05:35 AM »
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« Reply #5540 on: April 22, 2014, 04:07:05 AM »
The end!
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« Reply #5541 on: April 22, 2014, 05:26:06 AM »
onward with a new journey
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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5542 on: April 22, 2014, 05:38:52 AM »
In Giggs we trust!

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Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« Reply #5543 on: April 22, 2014, 07:42:01 AM »
frig that i applying...ah can't care for them otherwise   :devil:

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« Reply #5544 on: April 22, 2014, 07:44:31 AM »
So somebody explain to me why it so important to sack him NOW? Why not see out the 4 or so games and then let him go. But you sack a proper manager for Giggs to be care taker? You rather lose with Giggs, or the players say they will play for Giggs?
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« Reply #5545 on: April 22, 2014, 08:26:36 AM »
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« Reply #5546 on: April 22, 2014, 08:31:28 AM »
My favourite Moyes's quote: "I don't know what we have to do to win. We played well today." - Speaking after United's 2-1 defeat to Stoke in February - their eighth loss of the campaign. Basically he is telling everyone that he doesn't have a clue about being a manager.... He also liked saying "we needed a bit of luck today"...Man.United don't play lucky football!!!

I would not have cared if they sacked him 2 days after hiring him..I was the main one in here opposing Moyes appointment.. The man clueless and lacks confidence!

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« Reply #5547 on: April 22, 2014, 09:27:05 AM »
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Moyes Out as Manchester United Manager
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In retrospect, the very first sign that David Moyes was not going to continue Alex Ferguson’s standard at Manchester United may have come before Moyes ever coached a single meaningful game.

Last August, less than two months into his tenure as Ferguson’s replacement, Moyes complained publicly about the difficult opening to United’s schedule. After seeing that the Red Devils would face Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea in three of their first five games, Moyes accused the Premier League of intentionally giving United, as defending champions, a tougher start to the slate. “I find it hard to believe that’s the way the balls came out of the bag, that’s for sure,” he said.

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It showed weakness from Moyes right at the start, and eight months later, after a slow beginning — and slow middle and slow end — United has lost its patience with Moyes less than one season into a contract that was supposed to last six. One day after news leaked that the end was near, United officially fired Moyes on Tuesday morning.

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It was a sharp ending to a run that began with Moyes being anointed by none other than Ferguson himself. Ferguson, who won 13 Premier League titles in his 26 years with United, was allowed to handpick his successor and settled on Moyes, whom he saw as respectful, diligent and in many ways a younger version of himself.

The problem with that was that United did not need the early version of Ferguson, who took over in 1986; rather, it needed the modern-day version of the fiery Scot, a leader who was comfortable in the searing spotlight that comes with fronting a global monolith amid excruciating expectations of success.

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« Reply #5548 on: April 22, 2014, 09:39:29 AM »
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10 Leadership Lessons From Manchester United's Hiring And Firing Of David Moyes

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1) Don’t change the two most important people in the organisation at the same time

Sir Alex Ferguson had been manager of Manchester United for 27 years and David Gill had racked up a decade as chief executive when the duo stepped down last summer. For manager and chief executive at a football club, read chief executive and chairman at a publicly listed company. Allowing both to leave at the same time is dangerous, particularly when their combined leadership has been so successful. Where was the succession planning that didn’t let that happen? And what happened to the board’s oversight of the career decisions of its two most important executives? How many companies have lost their chairman and chief executive at exactly the same time and replaced both with great success?

2) Don’t let the last business leader choose the next one?

Sir Alex Ferguson imposed what some observers have described as a “Stalin-like grip” on Manchester United during his 27 years in charge. Very little, it is said, happened without either his direct say-so or tacit approval. But allowing the man who has had a stand named after him and a statue erected at the club’s Old Trafford stadium to effectively nominate his replacement as manager brought personal emotion, ego and self-interest into the succession, when it should have been a rational, well thought-out collective board decision. Who on the board would have dared to shoot down the suggestion of the club’s most successful manager ever? Ferguson was allowed to become much too important during his reign at the top. How many departing chief executives are allowed to select their successors?

3) Groom successors from within when you have a winning team

Ferguson’s biggest failing perhaps was not grooming a potential successor. Maybe that’s a pitfall of having a domineering, win-at-all-costs personality. But some of the most successful leadership at winning companies has taken more of a team-based approach, generating a cadre of capable lieutenants who have gone on to follow them as well as taking the helm at other companies. Groups including Procter & Gamble PG -0.37%, Dixons, Asda and the former menswear chain Burtons have served as prodigious academies of management talent. And in British football three of the 19 other managers in the Premier League served as players and/or backroom staff under Ferguson, demonstrating that the talent to groom at hand was indeed available.

4) Keep the most important support staff intact when the top jobs change

David Moyes entered the lions’ den when he took the manager’s job at Manchester United. The previous manager had won everything there was to win in a glittering career; the top players’ medal cabinets were stuffed full too. Having never won a major trophy himself as a manager, he had an instant credibility gap and needed wise heads around him who had the benefit of having been around in the glory years. Instead, he replaced the entire top coaching staff, bringing in the team that had served him at Everton. While this might have been seen as asserting his authority at the time, it left Moyes unsupported within the club and deprived the club of vital experience, know-how and continuity.

5) Appoint someone big enough for the job

Moyes has never won a major trophy as a football manager and yet he was expected to deliver more or less instantly at a club whose previous manager had won 13 Premier League titles and two European Champions Leagues. As if this was not mission impossible, his body language, demeanour and communications with the media suggested almost from the outset that he did not feel that he was up to the task.

6) Get the cultural fit right

The history of an organisation is an irrevocable part of what it is. It is almost impossible to imagine Apple AAPL -0.13% as a company full of conformists or General Electric GE +0.28% as recklessly-managed. Similarly in football, Manchester United’s history and reputation is as a dynamic and romantic team full of derring-do, adventure and attacking style. From the youthful exuberance of the “Busby Babes” in the 1950s to the swagger and pomp of Best, Charlton and Law in their prime, the club has developed a “United way”. Ferguson, a self-confessed sporting gambler, stuck to those principles. However, while Moyes spoke about a strong youth policy and the club’s fine reputation for attacking football, his actions and strategies did not match his words.

7) Manage the management’s communication

Moyes had no choice but to take the microphone after every defeat – the broadcasting contracts governing British Premier League football stipulate that the team managers are interviewed after every game. Moyes, following a master media manipulator in Ferguson, could not be expected to have his predecessor’s touch in this department. Honest and decent in his public utterances, he nonetheless needed support from his backroom staff and senior players and directors. The club’s media team could have taken a much more active role in protecting Moyes, presenting a collective front and showing support to a manager who was always going to have a tricky first year in following a legend.

8 Be decisive. Know when it’s the right time to stop the rot.

Prior to Moyes’s departure, United had a reputation for giving managers time to build teams, in contrast to some of the rapid firings seen at other top teams in the UK and Europe. Yet, it was clear that Moyes had lost the dressing room, while his comments after the team’s final performance under his management demonstrated that he didn’t have the long-term vision required.

9) Don’t let the news leak

Once the decision is made, make the announcement. Some of the momentum gained from the decisiveness United’s owners showed with their judgment that enough was enough was lost by widespread reports the day before that made Moyes’ sacking the worst-kept secret in British football. Nearly all Britain’s national newspapers led their sports pages with the news that Moyes was to be sacked, before it had been announced. While United’s listing on the New York Stock Exchange governs the timing of price-sensitive news, the leaking of the dismissal led to speculation about compensation, replacements and club strategy, when the focus could have been on a new beginning.

10) Have a credible new plan.

When an instant fix is neither credible nor desirable, at least have a plan, a process and steady temporary leadership. Appointing Ryan Giggs, United’s most decorated player in the club’s history, to take charge on a temporary basis, restores some respect to the fallen champions. Giggs is adored by fans, respected by the players and hugely liked by the sports media. With so much of the past leadership having departed, his is an obvious temporary appointment to try to arrest the team’s slide and provide some stability. Few companies, however, are likely to have somebody with his attributes waiting ready in the wings.
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