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Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
« Reply #180 on: July 06, 2011, 08:31:04 PM »
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« Reply #181 on: July 06, 2011, 08:33:49 PM »
This team crying out for a Riquelme. They have nobody who could pick the lock.
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« Reply #182 on: July 06, 2011, 08:33:55 PM »
who see dat drag?
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« Reply #183 on: July 06, 2011, 08:34:12 PM »
THE DIRTIEST DRAG!!!!

Who did it?  Ok Guarin did it on Gago.  Gago buss Guarin's nose too.
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« Reply #184 on: July 06, 2011, 08:34:15 PM »
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo aaaaaahhh drag between d legs noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

guarin it is...tell allyuh dat man is trouble when he ready

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« Reply #185 on: July 06, 2011, 08:35:45 PM »
Wooooow!!! what ah beat !!!!

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« Reply #186 on: July 06, 2011, 08:38:04 PM »
Colombia had the better chances eh.  Argentina just scrapin by so far.

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« Reply #187 on: July 06, 2011, 08:38:26 PM »
Whey was Messi? Greatest player?
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« Reply #188 on: July 06, 2011, 08:38:53 PM »
Colombia played ball sah. Good game by both teams though!!!!! And then a soft toe-pee thru the leg.

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« Reply #189 on: July 06, 2011, 08:39:46 PM »
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol
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« Reply #190 on: July 06, 2011, 08:41:36 PM »
who see dat drag?

Ah came online just to post about that nasty drag :rotfl:

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« Reply #191 on: July 06, 2011, 08:41:50 PM »
After all batista said about the was Arg played at the WC i thought he would have answers. But all he did was change the team from an attack heavy team to a defense heavy team. Funny thing is even with 7 defenders their defense still sucks.

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« Reply #192 on: July 06, 2011, 08:45:09 PM »
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol

Hoss I was this close to startin' a thread about that drag lol...
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« Reply #193 on: July 06, 2011, 09:22:53 PM »
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol

Hoss I was this close to startin' a thread about that drag lol...
I start to bawl down the place when i see that yes...Guarin had a good game over all too

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« Reply #194 on: July 06, 2011, 09:54:52 PM »
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.

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« Reply #195 on: July 06, 2011, 10:53:15 PM »
For those who missed it....

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« Reply #196 on: July 06, 2011, 11:09:45 PM »
For those who missed it....

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« Reply #197 on: July 06, 2011, 11:11:19 PM »
Colombia played ball sah. Good game by both teams though!!!!! And then a soft toe-pee thru the leg.

tina get lucky de pull ah draw, that draw down in the box should have been a penalty

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« Reply #198 on: July 07, 2011, 06:14:25 AM »
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.

ARchibald perhaps ??

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« Reply #199 on: July 07, 2011, 06:43:12 AM »
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.

ARchibald perhaps ??

Jai it was Dilly and that alone send the Oval in a roar.
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« Reply #200 on: July 07, 2011, 07:08:13 AM »
This Messi fella...

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« Reply #201 on: July 07, 2011, 07:59:12 AM »
argetina vs. colombia.

entertaining but a goal woulda be nice. argies looks shellshocked.

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« Reply #202 on: July 07, 2011, 08:15:18 AM »
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


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« Reply #203 on: July 07, 2011, 08:41:38 AM »
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


I think Costa Rica sent a young side...should be no probs for an experience Arg side like this...
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« Reply #204 on: July 07, 2011, 08:45:04 AM »
Is it me or Chile playing some serious ball!?

As ah say that Mexico score. Before that I eh think Mexico come out they half more than once.

That is what yuh call against the run of play.

DITTO Mexico was under manners for a good 40 min

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« Reply #205 on: July 07, 2011, 08:59:44 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jul/07/lionel-messi-argentina-copa-america

Lionel Messi is an easy target for Argentina's collective failings

When the albiceleste underperform with Messi in the side, he's the one blamed. Against Colombia, they underperformed again
Posted by Jonathan Wilson in Santa Fe Thursday 7 July 2011

He had his opportunity. With 10 minutes to go, Argentina won a free-kick by the right corner of the Colombia box. Lionel Messi stepped up. This was his chance to silence the grumblers, to mark his return to his home province with a deft assist, or perhaps even a goal. For a left-footer, the angle seemed inviting. He approached the ball – one step, two steps, three. Back went the left-foot, and ballooning high and wide went the ball, neither shot nor cross nor anything other than an indication of the lack of confidence that seems to submerge his game every time he pulls on the albiceleste shirt. As he trudged off at the final whistle after a goalless draw against Colombia, a smattering of boos rippled across the Estanislao López.


What makes it worse is that this was supposed to be his triumphant return home. It was only 110 miles to the south that Messi first kicked a ball. Some people say the boy's grandmother made the coach do it; Salvador Ricardo Aparicio himself says that he was a player short and asked the boy's grandmother if the five-year-old, who'd been kicking a ball against a nearby wall, would like to play. Everybody who was there on that dusty field in Rosario agrees what happened next. The ball came to the boy, clad in a shirt several sizes too big for him. He prodded at it with his right foot. When it came to his left, though, he started dribbling "as if he'd done that all his life", his grandmother said.


Those around reacted as if they'd seen a vision. Here was a pibe in action, the incarnation of the ideal of Argentinian football. The figure is an archetype that runs back to the earliest days of Argentinian football, from the days in the first decade of the 20th century when it first began to establish an identity distinct from that of the British ex-pats who had established the game in the country.


If Argentina wanted to erect a statue to its footballing spirit, the journalist Borocotó wrote in El Gráfico in 1928, it should depict "a pibe with a dirty face, a man of hair rebelling against the comb; with the intelligent, roving, trickster and persuasive eyes and a sparkling gaze that seem to hint at a picaresque laugh that does not quite manage to form on his mouth, full of small teeth that might be worn down by eating yesterday's bread."


The true embodiment of the pibe, of course, was Diego Maradona. Even Maradona accepts that Messi is his equal for skill, and he has a similar urchin build. Notably, though, Messi's hair no longer rebels against the comb – in fact, his may be the most sensible footballer's haircut since the days of Kevin Sheedy and Peter Davenport; a streak of European discipline has entered his soul.


It seems a trivial point, but it's not insignificant. Messi left Rosario for Spain at the age of 13, and there is a sense that Argentinian fans still don't entirely trust him. In that, he resembles another native of Rosario who found fame abroad and was never entirely accepted back home: Che Guevara. The move undoubtedly did Messi good, and not just because it secured him the growth hormones Newell's Old Boys could no long afford. It protected him, both against temptation – Pep Guardiola, then the reserve coach, quickly stepped in when he started partying with Ronaldinho – and against the machinations of agents, which may yet destroy the career of his contemporary Carlos Tevez.


But it also means that every time Messi underperforms for the national team – or, more accurately, every time the national team underperforms with Messi in the side – he is the one who takes the blame. In part that is natural for the best player in the team: he is the star, the genius, it's his shirt the counterfeit merchants are selling outside the grounds; therefore it's his job to drag the game the way of his side. But there is also a sense that whatever he does it will not quite be enough, that there will always be a suspicion that he doesn't quite give his all for Argentina. Given that he had the opportunity to play for Spain's youth teams and turned it down, that seems a little unfair.


To an extent the issue is generational. Younger fans accept that players leave for Europe as soon as they can; older fans seem still to find it hard to accept that the primera has become a diminished league. After the first game a taxi-driver even claimed that Argentina would be better picking only four Europe-based players if they wanted the team to play with pride.


There were chants for Messi before kick-off in Santa Fe but even here, the cheer for Tevez, rougher-edged and thus the more authentic avatar of pibismo, was much louder than the one for Messi when the teams were read out before kick-off. The stadium announcer neatly encapsulated the mood: "Con la 10, el mejor del mundo, Lionel Messi. Y con la 11, el jugador del pueblo, Carlos Tevez." Messi is the best in the world, but Tevez is the player of the people.


Messi, in truth, didn't look much like the best player in the world. He mooched around looking largely ineffective, perhaps all too aware that when he came deep in search of the ball it was not Xavi or Andrés Iniesta going ahead of him as it would be at Barcelona, but Esteban Cambiasso. Only once, after 34 minutes, as he slid a pass through for Ezequiel Lavezzi, was there a flash of his brilliance. The Napoli forward, though, described by Sergio Batista as Messi's co-pilot, was denied by Luis Martínez.


It's not Messi's fault, of course. Tevez, however popular he may be, was no more effective. This is an environment in which no player looked comfortable, anxious with the expectation and burdened by a tactical system that seems to suit nobody. As against Bolivia, Batista switched to a 4-2-1-3 late on, but Messi looked as uncomfortable as an enganche as he had as a false nine. This is a collective failure, tactical and mental, and ultimately Batista must take responsibility. It is Messi, though, the pibe with the European manners, who provides the easier target.
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Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
« Reply #206 on: July 07, 2011, 09:44:54 AM »
anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


"Brian Clough (who else?) once fined Kenny Burns for playing a square ball across his own 18-yard line," recalls Paul Miller. "He even presented Kenny with the typed-up fine at half-time."
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« Reply #207 on: July 07, 2011, 11:28:33 AM »
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


I think Costa Rica sent a young side...should be no probs for an experience Arg side like this...
I eh so sure nah ...a draw with Costa rica packing their defense would be a plus for dem ...we on the other hand will be looking for a new coach. I agree we should win ...but from what I seeing so far ..we not impressive and have been lucky to get two draws.

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Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
« Reply #208 on: July 07, 2011, 01:45:12 PM »
Is funny all the hand-wringing about Argentina.
To me they closely resemble Manchester City, all this talent, but no real idea about what is the best team, formation, strategy or tactics.

Maradona said his team was Mascherano and 10 others, Batista has come back with Messi and 10 others.
The last Argentina coach who look like they had a clue was when Basile, who had a side with a good balance all around. Too bad they lost the final, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this mess. I think the Maradona side from last world cup would be doing better, but would fall to better coached opponents, not struggle against well organized ones.

That said, I think we have to give some props to Colombia, they looked more than capable, reminding me of the glory days with el Pibe, Rincon, Asprilla and Higuita.
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« Reply #209 on: July 07, 2011, 01:48:18 PM »
Cambiasso and Mascherano in the middle is no way to move the ball forward.

 

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