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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #690 on: June 21, 2015, 05:20:35 PM »
Did this contest really need David Luiz?
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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #691 on: June 21, 2015, 05:29:24 PM »
Brazil topped their group, Venezuela almost had an equalizer in stoppage time

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« Reply #692 on: June 21, 2015, 09:22:13 PM »
I suppose you were expecting the likes of Darren Mattocks, Giles Barnes, Deshorn Brown etc to waltz into the Copa America and dominate world class defenders like Zabaleta, Demichelis, Mascharano, Diego Godin etc. You expected these same strikers to out-shoot and outscore Higuain, Cavani, Tevez, Di Maria, Messi?

I suspect you might have been expecting 6-0 and 5-0 scores for Jamaica against these teams before the tournament started.

I wasn't expecting anything like that. Just saying that for Jamaica in this tournament there were both positives (managed to stay relatively organized and concede few goals) and negatives (toothless attack).
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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #693 on: June 22, 2015, 04:57:28 AM »
I wasn't expecting anything like that. Just saying that for Jamaica in this tournament there were both positives (managed to stay relatively organized and concede few goals) and negatives (toothless attack).

Jamaica's problem has forever been inability to score goals..But as anyone with knowledge of the game will tell you, you buld your team around defence first. Darren Mattocks, Giles Barnes, are perhaps average strikers at CONCACAF level, they were never going to score tons of goals at the Copa America...i believe enough chances were created for them to score at least 3 goals in the tournament.  Not quite sure how the coach plans to solve that problem...not easy to fix, its a cultural thing for Jamaica.

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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #694 on: June 22, 2015, 07:07:10 AM »
Last night, after the Brazil-Venezuela match, it was confirmed that Neymar will be leaving the Copa America. He'll be packing his bags and checking out of the Sheraton today. The federation decided not to appeal, and indications are that the one man charged with entertaining the appeal/making the decision ... Guillermo Santos from Ecuador ... had decided that the ban would stick.
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« Reply #695 on: June 22, 2015, 07:22:41 AM »
Teams eliminated from the competition

Ecuador
Jamaica
Mexico
Venezuela

Quarterfinal matches

Chile v Uruguay ............. Wednesday, June 24
Bolivia v Peru ................ Thursday, June 25
Argentina v Colombia ...... Friday, June 26
Brazil v Paraguay ........... Saturday, June 27

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« Reply #696 on: June 22, 2015, 07:40:25 AM »


Guerra is off de hook.
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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #697 on: June 22, 2015, 08:17:12 AM »
For real lol...Even Messi said he was surprized

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« Reply #698 on: June 22, 2015, 10:54:29 AM »
Allyuh still on Guerra case with that.

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This Foreign Philosophy
« Reply #699 on: June 23, 2015, 07:17:46 AM »
This Foreign Philosophy
By Oral Tracey (Jamaica Gleaner)


Having seen what is being touted as Jamaica's strongest possible team play as guests in the ongoing Copa America tournament in Chile, I am left bitterly disappointed.

I was otherwise engaged and missed their first game against Uruguay which, by all accounts, was a fair performance despite the result. The fact of the matter, though, is that they lost that game, as well as the element of surprise. After that, it was all downhill for the Reggae Boyz.

In all fairness, they were playing in one of the most difficult international tournaments in world football, and against some of the best players on the planet, an absolute far cry from beating Haiti, Martinique, Antigua & Barbuda, and Trinidad & Tobago and winning the Caribbean Cup. In assessing the game of football at any level, though, there are two fundamental things to look for: how well the team maintains its shape, and how the team transitions from defence into attack, and vice versa. Every game plan and tactic revolve around that foundation.

In that regard, coaches Winfried Sch‰fer and Miguel Coley have lots of work to do with the Jamaican team. The elementary passing and movement were basically non-existent. The perennial problem of a dysfunctional or absent playmaker in midfield was crudely evident again. Jobi McAnuff, the man being heralded as the solution to that problem at almost 34 years old and on the decline. I think younger, more athletic, and hungry players should be taking over the fulcrum of the team.

The general reluctance to invest in youth has hindered the advancement of the Jamaican team. The notion that our young players are not good enough for senior football remains myopic. That elusive balance between youth, experience, and foreign and local players, is yet to be achieved. Things seem to be trending right back towards the misguided philosophy of 'the more foreign players, the better the team'.

Disappointed
 
I was personally bitterly disappointed to see that Hughan Grey, the young, locally based defender from Waterhouse Football Club, lost his place in the starting line-up. Grey was easily one of the most consistent and efficient performers coming through that Caribbean Cup triumph.

I know for a fact that even more foreign-based players were being pursued by the coaching staff for the Copa America and the Gold Cup assignments. If some of those players who were being pursued never shunned the call-up, then even more locally based players would have been sacrificed for this 'foreign philosophy'. That is a fundamental flaw that continues to cripple the development of the young local players and, ultimately, diminishes their potential contribution to the national cause.

My concerns supersede the foreign local dynamic, as the age of the team will be problematic in the not-too-distant future.

In a context where Jamaica had no realistic chance of winning the Copa America, should we realistically expect them to lift the Gold Cup title. While experience and competitive performances are important, so, too, should be the strategic exposure of and investment in young players

If the nation's football thinkers were looking beyond their noses, they would surely recognise this as a most prudent strategy. But therein lies our problem. Our football thinkers seem not to be able to see beyond their noses.
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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #700 on: June 23, 2015, 07:22:10 AM »
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.
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« Reply #701 on: June 23, 2015, 08:24:35 AM »
13 Jamaica players born in foreign, what kinda youth program they running in Jamaica?

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« Reply #702 on: June 23, 2015, 08:34:26 AM »
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.

I know d general mantra is field d best team no matter where dey come from but, b teams does do d grunt work....but get none of d reward...as a fella that always want to field our best teams when it matters, I does also feel it for d B teamers who do d work but must be left behind when d bigger tournys start
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Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
« Reply #703 on: June 23, 2015, 01:44:07 PM »
13 Jamaica players born in foreign, what kinda youth program they running in Jamaica?

Of the 23 players in the squad that participated in the Copa America, 14 were born in Jamaica, the others outside.

But isn't it to Jamaica's credit that we have such a wide pool of players to choose from in the diasapora?   
Considering the fact that we have given England players such as John Barnes, Raheem Stirling, Daniel Sturridge, Ian Wright etc who are we to not take back some of our own from them?  Ashley Young was once interested in playing for Jamaica, but never got an invite. Imagine that. 

I have three children born in America, they are Jamaicans as much as any other kids born on the island of Jamaica...our constitution says so.

In terms of youth development...the youth players who are good enough to displace any of the seniors will get a chance to come up through the ranks. Makes no sense throwing under-20 players in the lions den before they are ready for the challenge.

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« Reply #704 on: June 23, 2015, 02:07:07 PM »
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.

Oral Tracy is the typical arm-chair football fan who expects our teams to be world beaters and compete on equal footing with Lionel Messi and the best in the world...He probably also think that the local based players are good enough to win the world cup.  :rotfl:

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« Reply #705 on: June 24, 2015, 06:03:48 PM »
The ref might be losing control of this Chile - Uruguay match.

Is real wildness in this match.

Highlights:

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« Reply #706 on: June 24, 2015, 07:03:39 PM »
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.
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« Reply #707 on: June 24, 2015, 07:14:55 PM »
Isla is onto it like Dracula on a plate of liver!

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« Reply #708 on: June 24, 2015, 07:20:53 PM »
second yellow for Fusile.
Uruguay down to 9 men

That is 8 yellows.
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« Reply #709 on: June 24, 2015, 07:26:06 PM »
With that being said, he's suspended for the rest of the tournament, 4 games.

He gets a four match ban for on field conduct. Vidal gets to keep on balling for off the field conduct (however bear in mind consequences have flowed for off the field conduct in the past). Good thing Suarez is banned from this tournament.  :devil:

Expect more drama as we get into the elimination rounds.


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« Reply #710 on: June 25, 2015, 06:06:27 AM »
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.

I might have reacted too if a player did this nonsense to me:

http://www.livesoccertv.com/news/14716/gonzalo-jara-gets-on-cavani-s-nerves-with-the-sickest-provocation-ever/

The Chilean player put his finger in the man backside....

I know one has to be disciplined, but speaking as a man, I would be RELLLL vex!

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« Reply #711 on: June 25, 2015, 06:32:13 AM »
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.

I might have reacted too if a player did this nonsense to me:

http://www.livesoccertv.com/news/14716/gonzalo-jara-gets-on-cavani-s-nerves-with-the-sickest-provocation-ever/

The Chilean player put his finger in the man backside....

I know one has to be disciplined, but speaking as a man, I would be RELLLL vex!
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« Reply #712 on: June 25, 2015, 06:45:47 AM »

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« Reply #713 on: June 25, 2015, 07:48:01 AM »
Good that he has been banned for the rest of the tournament.

Unfortunately for several of the other Gonzalo Jaras in the world, they have been taking abuse on Twitter. Official reporting and some "jokes" are referring to him as a urologist or a proctologist. You can't make this stuff up.

The Spanish news agency, EFE, has said he graduated yesterday as "a specialist in destabilizing Uruguayan players" ... a reference to yesterday and similar conduct in the past (notably, getting too personal with Luis Suarez).


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« Reply #714 on: June 25, 2015, 09:02:45 AM »
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« Reply #715 on: June 25, 2015, 10:40:43 AM »
Disgraceful! Football hitting some serious lows  :-[



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« Reply #716 on: June 25, 2015, 11:11:22 AM »
Thanks Bitter, them fellas never hear bout Dr. Pablo Alfaro for Sevilla. He conducting prostate exams years now


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« Reply #717 on: June 25, 2015, 01:27:55 PM »
Thanks Bitter, them fellas never hear bout Dr. Pablo Alfaro for Sevilla. He conducting prostate exams years now


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Yep. I was looking for it, but couldn't remember the name...

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« Reply #718 on: June 25, 2015, 11:52:20 PM »
Now being referred to [irreverently] as "the finger of God".
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« Reply #719 on: June 26, 2015, 02:15:58 PM »
Chileans have proven that they will do practically do anything to win.  It's a disturbing trait that they possess IMO

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Brazil was facing off against Chile in the final qualifying match that would decide which team would go to the 1990 World Cup. Up 1 to 0 with 20 minutes left, the Brazilian team were coasting, knowing that even a draw would take them through and maintain their sparkling record as the only team to have played in every tournament.

But then disaster struck. Cameras pointed at the other end of the pitch, a flare is suddenly fired from the Brazilian stands towards the Chilean goal, and by the time the cameras catch up, all they see is Chile goalkeeper Roberto Rojas on the ground, bleeding profusely from his head with a flare smoking a few feet from his prostrate body.

The entire game devolved into chaos. Medical staff was rushed onto the field, the Chilean team was indignant and soon it became clear that Brazil was facing an unthinkable elimination — the flare had come from their fan section.

There was just one problem: the flare had never hit Rojas at all. It had landed several feet from him.

It was revealed later that Rojas had cut himself with a razor blade hidden in his gloves as part of a plot to get Brazil eliminated, but nobody would have known this if it wasn’t for one photographer who had his camera trained on Rojas when the fateful flare landed.

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"I met Rojas many years later and he admitted his mistakes. He is not naughty but that day, he had a lapse -- a really bad decision," Gomes said.
"Chile had a plan which they had prepared and it was unbelievable, truly unbelievable.
"The strangest thing is they had a good team."
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