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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #240 on: September 20, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »
d next side from Turin beat up on inter...a lot of novara fans also support juventus so the win was even more satisfying for them


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« Reply #241 on: September 23, 2011, 08:10:54 AM »
Apologies for the atrocious headline. Not mine:

Lazio move can take Miroslav closer
Mon Sep 12 07:56PM

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/pitchside-europe/article/153/

The opening goal of the Serie A season was a thing of beauty. Eleven minutes into Lazio's visit to Milan on Friday night, Hernanes caressed a pass over the top of the home defence to Miroslav Klose, who had ghosted into the penalty area.
A sumptuous first touch hooked the ball into his stride and took Alessandro Nesta out of the game completely. With time to adjust his feet, the German steadied himself before drilling a left-footed shot past Christian Abbiati.

The sureness of the touch and efficiency of the finish, not to mention the ease with which he eluded Nesta, proved that, at 33, Klose's goalscoring instincts have not been dulled by the time he spent on the bench at Bayern Munich last season.

After leaving Germany for the first time in his career, Klose will perhaps have been relieved to have opened his account on his league debut. But he has not come to Italy to amass more personal milestones. Rather uniquely for a present-day player, Klose's priority is the international game.

Moving to Rome represented a chance to test himself in a different country but what drives him above all is his hunger to secure a place in Joachim Loew's Germany squad for next year's European Championships.

In that respect, he has found a kindred spirit in fellow new recruit Djibril Cisse.The Frenchman also scored in the 2-2 draw at Milan and admits that, like his strike partner, he is fired by the idea of playing at Euro 2012.

"We never stop talking, even in the shower after training," revealed Cisse of his partnership with Klose last week. "We keep going back to what we need to improve."

Klose is a rarity in the modern game because he is renowned more for his achievements at international level than for what he has done in the club game. Rarely prolific in the Bundesliga (the 25 goals he scored for Werder Bremen in the 2005-06 season being a stark anomaly), he is nonetheless the second-highest scorer in World Cup finals history and, with 62 goals in 112 international games, he is creeping closer to Gerd Muller's all-time German record of 68.

The memories of Klose that will endure the longest are those that recall his World Cup exploits: the neat somersaults that followed each of his five headed goals at the 2002 tournament; the equaliser against Argentina in the 2006 quarter-final in Berlin; the opener in the 4-1 humiliation of England in Bloemfontein last year. Like Pele, or Diego Maradona, Klose has saved his best performances for the sport's biggest occasion.

At a time when the Champions League threatens to eclipse the World Cup as football's most important tournament, Klose is something of a throwback.

Where traditional thinking asserted that true greatness could only be achieved at a World Cup, modern observers argue that Lionel Messi's performances on the continental scene are worthy of comparison with anything that Pele or Maradona produced on the playing fields of Sweden and Mexico.

Players much less talented than Messi, meanwhile, trip over themselves in their haste to withdraw from the international arena. Witness Gary Neville's assertion that playing for England was "a waste of time", or Jamie Carragher's admission that losing with the Three Lions "hurt less" than losing with Liverpool.

Not for Klose another season on the bench at Bayern; the odd Bundesliga run-out, the occasional appearance in the Champions League. Having fallen behind Mario Gomez in the pecking order for first Bayern and then the national team, he knows that he is no longer the man around whom Loew intends to build his attack in Poland and Ukraine next summer.

But his move to Lazio looks likely to at least secure a place in the squad. And you suspect he will already have an eye on the 2014 World Cup as well.
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #242 on: September 23, 2011, 08:12:56 AM »
Boss headline.

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #243 on: September 23, 2011, 08:14:35 AM »
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #244 on: September 23, 2011, 12:25:52 PM »
Had a chance to see three of Lazio's games (including a Europa League match, I think it was)... Klose and Cisse have brought a definite spark to Lazio.  I didn't watch them last season to really compare how the team has or hasn't improved, but from the early preview, everything goes thru them or happens because of them.  I won't call it dependency (ie. not that the team depending on them), it just seems that they are having that much of an impact.

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #245 on: September 23, 2011, 01:47:23 PM »
Had a chance to see three of Lazio's games (including a Europa League match, I think it was)... Klose and Cisse have brought a definite spark to Lazio.  I didn't watch them last season to really compare how the team has or hasn't improved, but from the early preview, everything goes thru them or happens because of them.  I won't call it dependency (ie. not that the team depending on them), it just seems that they are having that much of an impact.

Klose and Cisse were always quality. In Klose's case he just couldn't compete with the fresh blood in the form of Gomez, Olic and so on. One of the most intelligent strikers around but he has lost some of the physical ability. His goal against England last WC was a flash of his old strength. I was hoping Arsenal would sign him when Bayern released him but of course he's FAR too old for Wenger.
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #246 on: October 01, 2011, 06:25:59 AM »
2 very big games on this weekend

inter v napoli

and the real derby of italy: juventus v ac milan...with our new playing mentality this will be a very exciting match..

another exciting matchup should be fiorentina v lazio;

other notable are roma v atalanta; udinese v bologna

forza serie a!
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« Reply #247 on: October 02, 2011, 09:53:33 AM »
Looking froward to the juve vs Milan match. Napoli looks like the team tuh beat this year. Edison Cavani-sweet name tuh go with an outstanding striker!

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #248 on: October 02, 2011, 12:23:05 PM »


OFFICIAL:

JUVENTUS: Buffon; Lichtsteiner, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini; Pirlo; Krasic, Marchisio, Vidal; Pepe; Vucinic.

MILAN: Abbiati, Bonera, Nesta, T.Silva, Zambrotta, Nocerino, VanBommel, Seedorf, Boateng, Ibra, Cassano

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #249 on: October 02, 2011, 02:41:37 PM »

FORZA JUVE!!!! TOTAL DOMINATION!!!!

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« Reply #250 on: October 02, 2011, 03:55:55 PM »
Milan are total shit... Juve look like they could be heading back to the good days.. my boy Mirko is a boss and Pirlo fitting in nicely.. my friend is a Milano so he getting real shit now

Conte have a nice enthusiasm about him..he driving the team and fans on

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #251 on: October 02, 2011, 07:58:05 PM »
Milan looked average today.  Juve's goals were scrappy but they all count.  Abbiati lol.

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« Reply #252 on: October 02, 2011, 08:43:29 PM »
Milan looked average today.  Juve's goals were scrappy but they all count.  Abbiati lol.

Average is kind, I thought they were poor. I thought Milan lacked ideas with the exception of Cassano & subbing him was a mistake. Ibra is an enigma.
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« Reply #253 on: October 03, 2011, 08:29:36 AM »
Milan looked average today.  Juve's goals were scrappy but they all count.  Abbiati lol.

the goals came because based on our play we were deserved winnners..milan didnt come to play poorly..we stifled them with our constant pressing and hunger forcing them to play poorly...it was never a forgone conclusion that they would play all over THIS juventus..


Juventus   AC Milan

20  Total Shots 4
Shots on Target  1
86% Pass Accuracy  74%
57%  Aerials Won  43%
2 Offsides 1
13  Fouls  14
Corners  5
23  Throwins  21
Dribbles Won  4
13  Tackles Won  15
   
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #254 on: October 03, 2011, 11:37:57 AM »
Milan are total shit... Juve look like they could be heading back to the good days.. my boy Mirko is a boss and Pirlo fitting in nicely.. my friend is a Milano so he getting real shit now

Conte have a nice enthusiasm about him..he driving the team and fans on

conte a crucial link between the juve of the past and this one of the present..we were a juggernauth pre-2006...it is true that all sides go through their cycles but we werent finished..enter moratti and the scandal he concocted and the pro-inter authorities tried to manufacture our demise...that was against nature..its why u see scenes like the ones below..victories like this mean so much more to us, the team, the fans throughout italy and the neutrals...the club has a spirit..italy needs juventus..

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #255 on: October 07, 2011, 07:47:25 AM »
a little read on calciopoli...

Juvefc.com > News > Articles

Calciopoli: Italy's greatest moral hour, or Inter's greatest revenge ?
Saturday 4th October 2011 | By Arber Sulejmani
   (This article was originally published here. The author is the brilliant Arber Sulejmani who you can follow on Twitter or check out his fantastic blog )
 
“Allora, sono qui per informarvi – intanto vi chiedero una cortesia di non farmi domande perche non ho ne la voglia ne la forza … Mi maca l’anima. Mi e’ stata uccisa. Da domani saro’ dimissionario da direttore generale della Juventus. E da stasera il mondo del calcio non e piu il mio mondo. Pensero solo a difendermi da tante cattiverie che sono state dette e fatte… Questo volevo dirvi. Non ho domande… non posso rispondere a domande anche perche vi ripeto, non ho la voglia… “

English Translation:

“I don’t have either the strength nor the willingness to answer any question. I miss my soul, it has been killed. Tomorrow I’ll be resigning, since tonight the football world isn’t my world anymore. I’ll think only to defend myself from all allegations and wicked actions.”
Luciano Moggi – his last interview as a General Director of Juventus
 
I, as a die hard Juventino may seem very uninteresting and dull but the article you are about to read is all about facts and no prejudices what so ever.
As a matter of fact, Juventus has taught me a lot of stuff, most importantly to not hate. I was raised watching Juventus succeed and Champions have no reason to hate.

Hence Arbër does not envy Inter, least I could do is expressing the hate so publicly which often if not always results as a failure in an article.

Indeed, we have to be realistic. Dont look at things the way we want them to be. It is just nonsense to think of Inter as the savior of Italian Football for discovering Calciopoli and that they themselves are completely innocent. This of course brings up a very debatable discussion between rival fans and that will probably never end but of course FC Internazionale and Massimo Moratti are both aware of what is happening to Calcio and I personally think they are totally responsible for everything.

When considering Calciopoli, one is actually forced to believe that FC Internazionale and Massimo Moratti are the main conductors of the scandal. Unfortunately Juventus are meant to bare the blame whilst Inter on the other side escaping as “innocent winners”.

Needless to say, AC Milan, another giant club of Calcio and a tough rival of Moratti’s Inter, were also harshly convicted.  You want to tell me this is just a coincidence?

In 2006 the Calciopoli scandal was firstly ignited from the pages of a famous football newspaper in Italy called “Gazzetta dello Sport”, a newspaper with Carlo Buora on the board, a very important figure in the TIM (Telecom Italia) board of directors and a managing director in the company of Pirelli. This suspicious newspaper actually printed the transcripts of the conversations of Luciano Moggi and other rival clubs like Fiorentina, Lazio and Milan. This did not result in anything and they were not taken into consideration. Moratti hoped for media tittle-tattle and an attack to Juventus that would probably cause them a lot of harms.

 

 
The transcripts were however send to trials in Rome but there was no evidence of a possible scandal and it was concluded that no illegal action existed. Frustration increased and Moratti hoped for another media gossip so that rival clubs could be found guilty.

Andrea Galliani, the then president of FIGC was forced to step down due to speculations and a suspicious guy named Guido Rossi took over the role.  He was rather quick in decisions, and as a known Inter fan he punished Juve with a relegation to Serie B.  Suspicions do not end here because his next decision was stepping down from FIGC and as already a shareholder in Inter; he took over TIM (Telecom Italia), the company that wiretapped Moggi’s phone calls.

Massimo Moratti, the owner of Inter also appears to be in the board of TIM which increases uncertainties even more. Another gentleman named Tronchetti Provera, the owner of Pirelli actually owns TIM. So again, you want to tell me this is a coincidence?

Sure Juventus have a bone to pick with Inter. All that damage caused to a superpower of European football, it is unlikely that Juventus will even acknowledge the existence of Inter anymore.

 
How could someone question the accomplishment of such a starting eleven made of at least 6 national team captains? Well, only Inter had a very long time without a trophy, much more a frustration to Moratti that made him spent millions of money, hundreds of transfers and a total of 16 years without a Scudetto.  The only trophy Moratti enjoyed was the UEFA Cup in 1999.  Surely, with such a success only Moratti could envy the triumph of Turin rivals.

As noted above, considering Calciopoli it is not hard to arrive to a definite statement that Inter themselves fabricated the whole scandal.

Based on the association of FIGC, Gazzetta dello Sport, Telecom Italia (TIM) and Inter, one is enforced to believe that Inter are the main initiators of Calciopoli. Furthermore, given the fact that Inter and Moratti were the only ones to gain from the scandal, the whole farce is now often referred to as “Morattopoli” by rival fans. But one thing was for sure, Inter could finally enjoy success.

Gazzetta dello Sport hid all elements in order to favor Inter and people have to know that Inter’s management and all manager’s from all Italians clubs where phoning with the referee designators, that was in fact allowed in 2006.


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So, what was Juve and Milan really accused of? In a nutshell we know it as accused of “having an exclusive relationship with the referee designators” [Pairetto and Bergamo], which was believed to have given both teams some kind of advantage. Sure, if that is considered as unsportsmanlike conduct, a punishment is most probably likely to happen. And as the punishment was never meant to exceed ‘a fine’, it interestingly reached title stripping and point deductions. Obviously, the powerful Guido Rossi appears again, and he decided to make the “contacting a referee designator” a violation, which was actually never in the rules before that. He managed to make “the unexplained” with the calls and grouped the ones that would serve enough to accuse both clubs of match fixing. Embarrassing.

As one would object, there were 171.000 phone calls that disappeared out of nowhere when those were mostly needed for both Juventus and Milan.  Basically the calls that were taken into consideration were meant to damage Juve and Milan and the rest of the teams punished. What about the rest of the phone calls? Obviously whith those still present, the whole case scenario would have been different and the punishments would have been pretty fair.

You want to tell me these phone calls could not have helped the situation better? How about giving a real clear picture to Italian Football, if not Juventus and Milan? Well, some of those phone calls fortunately came out and the Inter presidents were overheard speaking to referee designators.

Facts coming from Italy essentially demonstrate that the Calciopoli scandal was mainly built by the media, directly pointed at Luciano Moggi. It is already well popular the fact that investigators hid many conversations to accuse only Luciano Moggi, and show the world that it was him (the best transfer guru the world ever saw at that time) at the head of the conspiracy. How unbelievable.

My approach is to involve the Italian media such as Gazzetta dello Sport, Rai and Sky that have done hardly disinformation. Unfortunately outside of Italy, Gazzetta dello Sport is the reference and the orientation, whilst I think all that had to be denounced.

People probably don’t know that in the famous 170.000 phone conversations, we never heard a conversation between Moggi and a certain referee that was in activity as an official. These things however, appear indisputable with Giacinto Faccheti the then Inter president who passed away in 2006.  And that was not allowed!

Additionally, Leandro Meani, who is supposed to have spoken to a number of referees and designators at the time of Calciopoli four years ago, admitted to having had contact with various figures, but he also questioned why Inter were never probed after calls involving individuals from the club emerged at the current trial.

The answer is easy and Inter took benefit from other teams deterioration. The reason they are now winning is because their biggest rivals weakened by Calciopoli. Appalling! Yes Calciopoli did help Inter, it turned them into a winning team by getting half of Juve’s best players and making them a winning mentality, regrettably it just hasn`t or won’t be proven.

People don’t know that referee Danilo Nucini maintained direct relations with Inter, while he was active, or simply Gazzetta dello Sport has never said it!

Nevertheless, I also find it ironic the decision of Italy’s Rai television that last year concluded they will stop showing replays of controversial refereeing decisions this season in a bid to increase debate about tactical issues. Paolo Galimberti the Rai president also said that “they are now thinking about a football of less shouting and more thought”. Oh finally, after all that damage caused to Juve and Milan now the company wants to avoid the heated, if entertaining, arguments which often erupt between specialists on weekend highlights show when referee calls are questioned.

Hence, the Italian referees’ association welcomed the move but its members will only receive partial relief given Italy’s Sky and Mediaset show much more soccer than Rai and neither has plans to drop controversial replays.

To my mind, I can only judge in the aspect of giving Juve, Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio more credit to clear the dirty scapegoat that Inter has imposed to these teams, mainly Juve. It is impossible to think of a different situation when all of these connections between Inter, Pirelli, TIM and Gazzetta dello Sport are so obvious, with the main intention to bring home success by destroying rival clubs like Juventus and Milan. What hurts the most is that Calciopoli is still being investigated despite Inter emerging to be innocent.

For all I know, Inter have actually enjoyed the time of Juventus’ decline and even Milan’s poor form since the Calciopoli scandal occurred.  Inter gained 4 consecutive Scudettis, considering the 2005-2006 Scudetto that Juventus had it revoked from them to be awarded to Inter some days later. And yes, they proudly consider that Scudetto to be worthy of.

That kind of a Scudetto is a mixed blessing. It gets you a lot of attention, but people are less likely to consider you seriously.

As regards to this, according to the Italian law the revoked Scudetto was illegal and Juventus are again involved in such a scandal that they continuously require their Scudetto back.

In fact, months ago it was discovered that Massimo Moratti was also involved in such conversations to those of Luciano Moggi back in the years. Moratti’s position in the scandal is questioned and such a discussion may worsen the situation further. This brings up the Calciopoli II, which has already begun and Calcio lovers are waiting for the closing stages as soon as possible, despite who the winner or the loser might be.

One could also ask why those clubs punished did not appeal against. Luciano Moggi has asked the same after the scandal in a lot of interviews and TV shows he took place. However, I highly doubt Lucky Luciano does not know the reason, but that at least shows how uncertain the situation was back then.

In fact, Juventus were mostly damaged and it was up to them to take such a move and as far as I am concerned, Juventus did not appeal because Italy’s world cup presence would have been in a big danger. If such a complication in the scandal appeared, the whole Italian football competition was threatened and/or actually France would have been the winner of 2006 World Cup.

Christian Vieri, a legend for the club of Inter also hit the limelight years ago claiming to know something about Calciopoli. Former Inter striker has suggested the Calciopoli scandal was sparked and created by Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti in order to make his club the strongest team in Italy and send Juventus down to Serie B.

In this connection, Vieri is currently suing Inter and Telecom Italia for the illegal wire tapping. He also claimed that “he was wiretapped because he always told the truth and that president Moratti did not trust him much”. Christian Vieri confessed that Inter players were made to sign a document to cover up any existence of the plan to take down other clubs. Therefore, he was tapped to ensure that he never spoke of Calciopoli plans to other people.

“I am ready to show everyone the document, everyone knew what was happening. I was spied upon because I cannot keep these things locked up,” Vieri said as reported by Firenze Viola.

“Seventy per cent of the contract was to be paid by Inter, and the other 30 per cent by Telecom who used me for advertising campaigns so that they could pay less taxes.

“I have only ever spoken about this to Mr [Rinaldo] Ghelfi of Inter, agreeing everything with him.

“I felt really sorry for Juventus because I have affection for them. The same with Milan. I thought I was doing something good for my president who has plenty to sell in terms of having a double personality.”

The many conspiracy assumptions are keeping the scandal alive, and as we are now witnessing Calciopoli II, the scandal takes a different view. The scandal is just a conspiracy involving Moratti, Guido Rossi, Carlo Buora and Tronchetti, all of whom are well known Inter loyalists and shareholders.

Last but not least, in Calciopoli II we have also witnessed another case scenario where Luciano Moggi had used Swiss sim cards for making phone calls. This however brings us to another level of ambiguity.

How could have TIM wiretapped the conversations of Moggi using the Swiss sim cards? That would be illegal and according to Luciano Moggi that is a crime that he is currently trying to sue TIM for.

The Calciopoli scandal shook the Italian game to its core in the summer of 2006, leading to the relegation of Juventus to Serie B. The Bianconeri, who were then the dominant side in Italy, had two Scudetti revoked from 2005 and 2006, the latter of which was assigned to Inter. Heavy points penalties were also dished out to the likes of Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina.

Since Calciopoli, the Nerazzurri have dominated Serie A with four consecutive Scudetti, having previously waited since 1989 to win the Campionato. Meanwhile they are fortunately out of the title race this season already as Milan crashed them in San Siro weeks ago with a 3-0 result.

Ever since, we have seen the decline of Serie A and it’s no coincidence that Bundes Liga is now ahead of us. Star players are all attracted to La Liga or Premier Leauge rather than Serie A. Attendance is decreasing and with such humiliation to Calcio, Moratti still considers himself a ‘hero’ of the whole conspiracy. Nicely done Mr. Massimo Moratti.

So what makes one still think Inter are innocent? After all that’s said and done,  Moratti needs to build a new way out of Calciopoli since facts don’t lie and they claim Moratti is the main man of the scandal.

Those Scudetti’s were sweat out on the pitch and neither Moratti nor any other made-up scandal can revoke them from the Juventus tifosi. We believe in karma, and looking at the current season of Inter, we are implied to believe that despite being humiliated from the underdogs of Champions League – Schalke 04 [Schalke 07 – as the Bianconeri’s call it now], they are yet to finish a season “trophyless”.

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #256 on: October 22, 2011, 01:06:25 PM »
Juve 1-0 up on Genoa right now...fox soccer. Conte come with a very attacking lineup playin Matri and Vucinic together up top with Pepe and Estegarribia out with. I prefer Krasic to Pepe but he out of form right now.

On another note when is somebody gonna take out they checkbook and sign Jovetic from Fiorentina. I can think of a couple teams he can slot in nicely.
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #257 on: October 28, 2011, 07:29:16 PM »
Derby d'Italia on Tomorrow 2.45pm

Inter v Juventus or the Calciopoli Directors v Juventus 29

The irreparable relationship: Inter vs Juventus is now the world's fiercest football rivalry

This summer's renewal of the Calciopoli saga means justice can never be served regardless of the real truth, and the two giants meet this weekend with still no real answers

BET:     RETURNS:   Inter £25.50    Draw £33.00   Juventus £29.50   
Oct 28, 2011 9:30:00 AM 
 
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By Kris Voakes

"Io non rubo il campionato ed in Serie B non son mai stato"

"I don't steal the championship and have never been in Serie B"

- C'é solo l'Inter (the Inter club anthem)

With the resumption of the Calciopoli trial this summer, there was meant to be a final answer. Still, there hasn't really been one. And while the two main players in the whole affair will slug it out at San Siro on Saturday night, there may never be a definitive winner in the debate. Fans of both Inter and Juventus will always believe they were in the right and the other lot were in the wrong. And that is why it is now up there as the world's biggest football rivalry.

Forget Barcelona-Real Madrid, Fenerbahce-Galatasaray, Celtic-Rangers and Partizan-Red Star, forget even Boca Juniors-River Plate. The Derby d'Italia was sent hurtling through the stratosphere with the allegations regarding Inter's conduct in the Calciopoli scandal, making it a match not to be missed this weekend.

Though the sides have had a very long, very bitter history of run-ins, the stakes have been raised to immeasurable proportions in the past five years. And chief prosecutor Stefano Palazzi’s assertion that Inter were guilty of greater ills than the supposed original culprits Juve have brought to a head the deep feeling of hatred that has existed since the Bianconeri were first implicated in Calciopoli half a decade ago.

Since the whole case was originally blown open by a series of wiretaps set up by Telecom Italia, the Bianconeri have stood their ground in their belief that they had done nothing out of the ordinary and that Inter were among a number of clubs who would have been proven just as guilty as they were. Their cries of foul originally fell on deaf ears as they were demoted to Serie B and forced to start on minus 30 points (later reduced to -17, then -9) for offences that had never previously been punished with penalties of more than a few points.
Guilty? | Moratti is accused of speaking to referees and referee designators

It finally seemed as though they would be satisfied by the words of Palazzi in the summer, only to later find out that the Statute of Limitations in Italy would stop Inter from being stripped of the 2006 Scudetto they were awarded retrospectively. Only, how would Juve have ever been truly satisfied anyway? Italian football has changed irreparably in the five years that have followed, and with the loss of Champions League football and various star players came the immediate loss of status they'd taken years to build up.

It is now Inter’s turn to complain of victimisation, with president Massimo Moratti calling Palazzi’s statement an “unacceptable attack” on a club he’ll still claim is innocent of any charge. All this despite the discovery of countless wiretaps implicating him in attempts to influence referee designators, the same charge which resulted in Juve’s demotion, and points penalties for several other sides. There were even Article 6 violations by Inter, AC Milan and Livorno which would have seen the three clubs relegated had they been caught out five years ago, but the FIGC’s ineptitude in dealing with the case first time around has simply created a powderkeg.


IN NUMBERS
The damage caused by 2006
12
The number of trophies Inter have collected since the Calciopoli verdict.
1   The number of trophies won by Juventus in the same time - and that was the 2007 Serie B crown.
6   The top line Juventus first team players lost to other clubs in the firesale which followed the original verdict; Lilian Thuram and Gianluca Zambrotta to Barcelona, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Patrick Vieira to Inter, and Emerson and Fabio Cannavaro to Real Madrid.
5   Juve have finished in an average of fifth place since Calciopoli, coming third in 2008, second in 2009, and latterly recording two seventh-placed finishes.
14   The number of goals scored (seven each) in the eight clashes between the sides since 2006. Juventus lead the head-to-head in that time with three wins to two.
So the rivalry that has in recent years been stirred up by claims and counter-claims can never now be resolved. Juventus could yet be given the moral victory of a token stripping of Inter’s 14th Scudetto in the courts next month, but it can do nothing to replace the last five years and will merely serve as evidence to back up their belief that their demise was almost entirely manufactured by the Nerazzurri.
Five league titles, two Coppe Italia, three Supercoppe and, most notably, one Champions League crown and Club World Cup later, Inter started this season in exactly the same position they would have anyway – with a squad built off the back of their position as the No.1 team in Italy that was assumed in the summer of 2006. Juve, meanwhile, are only just struggling back onto their feet five years after the carpet was ripped from under them. The mass exodus of players, the loss of titles, the humiliation of Serie B, the long, difficult road back… none of these things can be reversed despite the early progress made under new coach Antonio Conte.

So while Inter may well be called out once and for all as the real bad guys in one of Italian football’s greatest self-implosions, it is Juve who have paid the ultimate price. And Nerazzurri followers will tell you all the while that their good name has been besmirched by their greatest rivals. They’ll continue to sing “Io non rubo il campionato” and will still be able to boast “in Serie B non son mai stato”, however much Luciano Moggi et al question their right to do so.

All of which means there is no going back. This is not racist chanting at Mario Balotelli or Samuel Eto’o. It is not Felipe Melo sparking a 20-man brawl with a crude foul. It is not flares being thrown between home and away sections. Nor is it even Piero Ceccarini failing to give a penalty against Mark Iuliano for a foul on Ronaldo. This is a whole new level. It is the calculated set-up aimed to destroy another club... but who are really the victims and who are the transgressors?

They will fight them in the boardrooms, they will fight them in the courts, and, finally, they will fight them on the pitch once more at San Siro on Saturday. The Derby d’Italia is about to go global – all thanks to the mistakes of 2006.

THE RIVALRY IN QUOTES
If I were in Moratti's shoes, I would have avoided going around telling everyone I was clean and honest for all these years. Now those phrases are even more shocking after the recent revelations

- Former Juventus sporting director Luciano Moggi

I am absolutely convinced that we have nothing to do with Calciopoli, so I hope and believe that justice will run its path... Juve should go on holiday and forget Calciopoli

- Inter president Massimo Moratti

It's always right to listen to men of a certain age, but Juventus plan their own holidays

- Juve owner John Elkann in reponse to Moratti

If we have to give back one title, then Juventus would have to give back more titles

- Ernesto Paolillo, the Inter CEO

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #258 on: October 28, 2011, 07:57:29 PM »
Thursday 27 October, 2011

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Giancarlo Rinaldi, with tongue in cheek, on Juventus’ attempts to reclaim their role as Italy's most disliked football club




The old saying, Tutta l'Italia contro la Juve – All of Italy against Juve – has had a bit of a hollow ring in recent years. It has been hard for even their most bitter adversary to muster much dislike for a team in Serie B or struggling to get above mid-table in the top flight. There were even those who, whisper it, felt some sympathy for La Vecchia Signora – not that she ever would have accepted it.

It left a vacancy for the part of Serie A's pantomime villain. Ironically, the curly moustache which goes with the role ended up being assumed by the very team which claimed to have suffered most at the Bianconeri's hands. Suddenly, Inter were the team most Italians loved to boo.

To those who had been watching calcio for a while it did not feel quite right. They had been raised on the belief that the only certain things in life, other than death and taxes, were injury-time penalties to Juventus. The old world order had been turned on its head.

It even seemed as if the Bianconeri's other greatest asset, the legendary Culo di Juve – Juve's Bottom – had disappeared. Used by rival fans to describe the good fortune which seemed to be stitched into the club's shirts, it had all but evaporated. They had been stripped of their most famous super powers.

But there have been flickers of late that it is all falling back into place. The appointment of Antonio Conte – one of the architects of a golden age of antipathy towards Juve – sent a signal to the rest of the peninsula. We intend to get back to the top end of the table and dethrone the Nerazzurri from our rightful place as the side the rest of the nation loves to hate.

In truth, there was something slightly uncomfortable about anyone other than the Turin giants occupying that role. There was something of the security blanket about the Bianconeri in years gone by. If you were scrabbling around for an excuse for your own team’s failings, you could always blame it on the boys from the Comunale, Delle Alpi, Olimpico or whatever their ground is called this week.

Come to think of it, the new flashy Juventus Stadium was a clear statement of intent too. If you can’t envy us our League position – it said – you’ll at least be jealous of our swanky surroundings. And you can’t deny it has worked, with the rest of Serie A now scrambling to draw up construction plans of their own.

On the pitch, too, results are coming and the players are growing into their roles. Many of them are starting to acquire the swagger required to live up to the legends of yesteryear. Even the fans – after some meagre times – are starting to act with the assured air of years gone by when a season without a major honour was as rare as a month without a red card for Paolo Montero.

There is still work to be done, of course, and the job won't be complete until a 30th/29th/28th – delete as you wish – Scudetto is secured. However, there are undeniable signs that they are on the right track. After all, nothing makes you more disliked than winning things.

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« Reply #259 on: October 29, 2011, 10:18:31 AM »
Looking fwd to this game...hope Juve could win it and basically end Inter hopes in October which would be amazing. Right now Roma vs Milan on and this game very important as well...hoping for a draw
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« Reply #260 on: October 29, 2011, 02:48:55 PM »






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« Reply #261 on: October 31, 2011, 06:18:32 AM »
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AC Milan striker Antonio Cassano has been admitted to hospital after falling ill and displaying symptoms 'similar to a stroke' following the 3-2 victory over Roma on Saturday.
The club has revealed the forward became ill on the flight home after the match and was immediately rushed to hospital.
A club statement read: 'AC Milan announce that Antonio Cassano was taken ill as the plane landed at the Malpensa airport from Rome.

Worry: Cassano (left) has been taken to hospital with a mystery illness following the victory over Roma
'The player is being kept at the Policlinico in Milan for tests.'
Cassano made a substitute appearance for the Rossoneri in their win at the Stadio Olimpico which saw them stay two points behind leaders Juventus after nine matches.
He joined Milan from Sampdoria in January, has scored two goals and provided six assists in nine league appearances this term.
Milan travel to Minsk on Tuesday to take on BATE Borisov in their Champions League Group H fixture.


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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #262 on: November 06, 2011, 08:33:42 AM »
Wasn't Robinho playing for Santos last year; was he on loan or something? How and when did he end up at Milan?  He just score a nice goal too.

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #263 on: November 30, 2011, 04:39:13 AM »
monstrous match yesterday...one of the games of the season so far in europe.. napoli and juve traded punches...ended 3-3

highlights here  http://www.tvgolo.com/football.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319913772&archive=&start_from=&ucat=42&

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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #264 on: January 15, 2012, 02:20:30 PM »
Milan derby anybody takin it in?  0-0 in the 30th, both sides workin very hard.  Pato shoulda done better and Motta was not offside.

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« Reply #265 on: January 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM »
Inter living dangerously
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Re: Serie A 2011/2012 Thread
« Reply #266 on: January 15, 2012, 06:08:39 PM »
Everytime I see Zlatan regardless if is Sweden, Barca, Juv, Inter or Milan and the team need him to come up big, he does pull a Houdini. AC players fighting the game & Zlatan coasting. Milito and Maicon looks like they back to their best.

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« Reply #267 on: January 16, 2012, 07:33:25 AM »
That game was so tight, only an error or set piece was ever going to decide it.

Abate's mistake on Zanetti's cross was the moment, but Zanetti is such a boss.. The man is what 36? And running harder than plenty of them youths on the side..

Level cap share in this game too. I see Lucio give Pato a neat, fitted furry kangols which was rhell uncalled for especially as it is his countryman. Then I see Van Bommel give an over eager Inter man a sombrero and in injury time, a Milan youth man El Sharaway* who come on as a sub collect a disdainful tall cap to welcome him to the Milan derby.

Agree on Zlatan, he suffering from the same disease as Cristiano Ronaldo, big game disorder.

Inter's return to form seems to have coincided with Maicon's return to form, been watching them for the last few weeks and Maicon looking back to his old self.

This Serie A race will be interesting. AC and Juventus at the top but Inter pressing hard, then it have Udinese, Napoli and Roma who will be in the mix coming down to the end as well.
         

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« Reply #268 on: January 16, 2012, 09:02:33 AM »
The tractor was at his best.

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« Reply #269 on: January 16, 2012, 10:07:05 AM »
The tractor was at his best.

Ent! Have to admire his game



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