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Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« on: September 22, 2007, 07:22:38 PM »
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'Turncoat' Terry

Duncan Castles
Sunday September 23, 2007

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Jose Mourinho's relationship with John Terry has broken down completely over the Chelsea and England captain's central role in his departure from Stamford Bridge last week.

The Champions League-winning coach was replaced on Thursday by Avram Grant, a former Israel national team coach with no experience of club management outside his own country. According to many Chelsea sources, Grant will defer on football matters to owner Roman Abramovich, who has already started to take a hands-on role with the first team.

Mourinho holds Terry responsible for charges levelled by Chelsea's board of directors that he had lost the support of his playing staff after Tuesday's Champions League draw with Rosenborg - a match that was followed by club owner Roman Abramovich lecturing a senior professional on his on-field tactics behind Mourinho's back.

Half an hour before the Group B fixture, claims a dressing-room source, Terry told one of Mourinho's assistant coaches that he had 'things on my mind'. Only the intervention of a team-mate put him in the right state of mind to take part in the pre-match warm-up, for which Terry arrived late.

Midway through the first half Rosenborg scored, after Miika Koppinen beat Terry at a set piece. When Mourinho then directly criticised the centre back's defending at half time, Terry refused to accept responsibility for the goal or even to respond to his manager.

Earlier on Tuesday, Terry had been informed that Mourinho had gone to the club's medical department to ask whether there was any physical reason for the player's sub-standard performances in matches this season. Mourinho hoped to find an explanation for a significant decline in Terry's play following an operation to remove a disc from the defender's spine in December.

Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon was made aware of the dispute and, according to the dressing-room source, presented the information to an emergency board meeting on Wednesday as evidence that the manager had lost the trust of key players. The club subsequently asked Mourinho for his resignation, which he refused to tender, but ultimately settled on dismissal by 'mutual consent'. Later on Wednesday, Mourinho sent Terry a text message sarcastically thanking him for talking to the club's hierarchy.

On Friday, several first-team regulars apparently took their captain to task during a 50-minute team meeting called by Terry in the aftermath of Mourinho's dismissal. Ashley Cole, Didier Drogba and Florent Malouda are believed to have accused him of not doing enough to keep Mourinho at the club.

Terry is England's best-paid footballer after agreeing a five-year, £131,000-a-week contract this summer. In initial negotiations he had requested a 'limitless parity' clause to ensure he was the club's biggest earner for the duration of a proposed nine-year term. According to a Chelsea insider Terry also wanted - and was refused - a contractual option for him to manage the club at the end of his playing career.

As far-fetched as that request might be, Abramovich's actions in the aftermath of the Rosenborg draw were equally bizarre. In front of the entire Chelsea team, but while Mourinho was occupied with press conference duties, the Russian billionaire decided to hand out an impromptu tactics lesson to Michael Essien.

Employing striker Andriy Shevchenko as translator, he instructed midfielder Essien, player of the year last season, to hit passes wide rather than through central areas where the Norwegians had compressed play. Abramovich is expected to take an increasingly hands-on role in the team following the appointment of Grant to replace Mourinho and, according to several sources, will effectively select the side. In a press conference on Friday, Grant insisted he would not tolerate interference but declined to respond when asked who was the most important individual at Chelsea. 'Look, the owner gives the financial support,' Grant said. 'I'm not going to make remarks.'

The 52-year-old is already the subject of significant discontent among a first-team squad predominantly still loyal to Mourinho. Grant, though, is confident he will bring not only more silverware to Chelsea but a more attractive brand of football and said on Friday that he had no problems with the playing staff. 'There's a very good relationship with the players,' he said. 'I like their attitude, how they want to win all the time, even if the last result wasn't like that, but the relationship is good.'

Grant's first match comes at Old Trafford this afternoon, but he did not work yesterday for religious reasons. He must also wait for his Israeli coaching qualifications to be cleared by Uefa before he can be formally approved as a top-flight manager. Chelsea insist the process will be trouble-free.

Though Grant claimed that he had no 'plan to be the manager' until the appointment came about, he had begun requesting clearance from Uefa a fortnight ago.

According to Kenyon, the 'first-team coach' will be involved in all key areas of transfers and team building. He said: 'We are not embarking on the arbitrary buying of players and telling the coach to play them. Avram will be absolutely involved, responsible for picking the team and responsible for the results.'

Kenyon denied that Terry - who declined to comment last night - played any part in Mourinho's departure: 'There is absolutely nothing in stories that the dressing room has been lost. In particular there is no truth in any rumours that a bust-up with one or several of our players led to him leaving the club.'
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2007, 07:35:48 PM »
you know if a say something bad about the club they go come down on meh like vulture so ah go stay quiet on this one  ::)
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 07:45:30 PM »
Every family does have argument. no big ting, But now Maurinho walk dey go make it sound like terry & the dressing room was uneasy. Bullshit
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 07:51:04 PM »
you know if a say something bad about the club they go come down on meh like vulture so ah go stay quiet on this one  ::)

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better you stay quiet and not let everybody think you actually believe the fairytale bullshit written in that article...
         

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2007, 08:23:49 PM »
I focusing on my team.  Ah hope they could sort out dat soap opera that is Chelsea FC. ;D

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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2007, 08:54:21 PM »
you know if a say something bad about the club they go come down on meh like vulture so ah go stay quiet on this one  ::)

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better you stay quiet and not let everybody think you actually believe the fairytale bullshit written in that article...

I believe it.

If not every detail, then certainly the theme that, despite all the money, Chelsea is still a comedy club.

If you denying that then you just towing the party line.

Fact is that Grant is a "yes-man". Terry is also a true blue and he has spoken of his management ambitions before.

Chelsea has not been run like a football club for a while now because money has been no object.

Buy high and sell low.

Poach Arnesen, a good director of football at Totenham and let him manage the youth program. At the same time, don't play any youths.

Have a manager and owner carry on a public spat, but it is okay because the manager has personality and charisma and protetcs his team from the media, (except when he dresses them down in the media himself).

Say what you want about Ferguson but the reason he puts players in their place is for this exact reason, because if a player challenges a manager or becomes a distraction to the team they have to go. You could also guarantee that if a player show up late for a game, disgruntled or giivng trouble, he finding himself in the stands in quick step.

United and Arsenal undertsnad ownership without Ferguson or Wenger they in real trouble because the manager guides a club to success, Chelsea ownership like they playing Championship Manager.

At the end of the day Chelsea fans can't complain.  They didn't complain when Abramovich spend all the money to buy the club, clear debt and buy big players and manager so they can't complain when Abramovich decide to do what he want
 
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2007, 09:20:39 PM »
with Mourinho gone, Abramovich real liking himself now. de man playing Championship Manager, Winning Eleven & FIFA for real. how he in the dressing room giving Essien tips? i could only imagine the mood in a dressing room that run like that. but say what, at least dem fellas getting paid real nice.

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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2007, 09:40:42 PM »
I focusing on my team.  Ah hope they could sort out dat soap opera that is Chelsea FC. ;D

study how your team have a manager who cyah yet understand that he need to play his best strikers once they fit so that they could stirke up partnerships and gain some form..

not rotate them every game running like if is u-12 football and everybody must get a sweat..

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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 06:12:53 AM »
yeah dread yesterday i watching torres face on d bench...as old ppl say if u d chook him u wouldnt ah find blood. the man was  blue vex

but back to terry>

In initial negotiations he had requested a 'limitless parity' clause to ensure he was the club's biggest earner for the duration of a proposed nine-year term. According to a Chelsea insider Terry also wanted - and was refused - a contractual option for him to manage the club at the end of his playing career.

doesnt this sound like a selfish guy who thinks too highly of himself?
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 08:36:18 AM »
yeah dread yesterday i watching torres face on d bench...as old ppl say if u d chook him u wouldnt ah find blood. the man was  blue vex

but back to terry>

In initial negotiations he had requested a 'limitless parity' clause to ensure he was the club's biggest earner for the duration of a proposed nine-year term. According to a Chelsea insider Terry also wanted - and was refused - a contractual option for him to manage the club at the end of his playing career.

doesnt this sound like a selfish guy who thinks too highly of himself?

  Even for as seemingly a selfess a player as him.......I would say this is a little over the top......ok, ok, waaaaaaaaaaay over the top!


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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2007, 11:00:03 AM »
This stuff is a wet dream for English papers. As been bad as it's been for Spurs expect a lot worse for Chelsea so look out for a lot more of these kinds of stories....and take them all with a grain of salt.

I'll say this though:  Anytime you have an owner that wants to get involved in football matters you're going to have trouble, Chelsea is Roman's toy and it looks like he's finally ready to play with it.

I'll be shocked if Grant makes it to the end of the season but I have to wonder.  Who in their right mind would take the manager's job at Chelsea now?

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2007, 12:36:27 PM »

At the end of the day Chelsea fans can't complain.  They didn't complain when Abramovich spend all the money to buy the club, clear debt and buy big players and manager so they can't complain when Abramovich decide to do what he want
 

As much as it hurts right now, i cant help but agree with you........this was a long time coming. 

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better you stay quiet and not let everybody think you actually believe the fairytale bullshit written in that article...
I believe it.

If not every detail, then certainly the theme that, despite all the money, Chelsea is still a comedy club.

If you denying that then you just towing the party line.

Fact is that Grant is a "yes-man". Terry is also a true blue and he has spoken of his management ambitions before.

Chelsea has not been run like a football club for a while now because money has been no object.

Buy high and sell low.

Poach Arnesen, a good director of football at Totenham and let him manage the youth program. At the same time, don't play any youths.

Have a manager and owner carry on a public spat, but it is okay because the manager has personality and charisma and protetcs his team from the media, (except when he dresses them down in the media himself).

Say what you want about Ferguson but the reason he puts players in their place is for this exact reason, because if a player challenges a manager or becomes a distraction to the team they have to go. You could also guarantee that if a player show up late for a game, disgruntled or giivng trouble, he finding himself in the stands in quick step.

United and Arsenal undertsnad ownership without Ferguson or Wenger they in real trouble because the manager guides a club to success, Chelsea ownership like they playing Championship Manager.

At the end of the day Chelsea fans can't complain.  They didn't complain when Abramovich spend all the money to buy the club, clear debt and buy big players and manager so they can't complain when Abramovich decide to do what he want
 



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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 12:40:43 PM »
Terry is England's best-paid footballer after agreeing a five-year, £131,000-a-week contract this summer. In initial negotiations he had requested a 'limitless parity' clause to ensure he was the club's biggest earner for the duration of a proposed nine-year term. According to a Chelsea insider Terry also wanted - and was refused - a contractual option for him to manage the club at the end of his playing career.




If chelski gave Terry this as part of his contract, dem some fools. by de time he ask for that Fergie or Wenger wouldda send his ass packing. he cares more about himself than he does the team.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2007, 02:09:18 PM »

ooh...Aah...... Cantona.....did whatever he wanted and was still buddies with the manager.

He never challenged him in training or in the dressing room

In fact Cantona was known to be the most professional player, staying extra hours after training to work on his technique.

I remember reading how Beckham and co really looked up to him for that

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2007, 02:27:52 PM »

ooh...Aah...... Cantona.....did whatever he wanted and was still buddies with the manager.

He never challenged him in training or in the dressing room

In fact Cantona was known to be the most professional player, staying extra hours after training to work on his technique.
I remember reading how Beckham and co really looked up to him for that

Professionalism is not only about 'staying extra hours after training', it also has to do with how he carried himself off and on the pitch and that's where he had incidents like spitting and going after fans in de stands ,to name ah few, which expose him as quite unprofessional.
Now de man as a footballer was one ah de most deadly strikers ever to past thru ManU,he was also a man de team look up to but that doh give him ah bly when come to Professionalism. :beermug: 
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2007, 04:02:12 PM »
Fantastic piece of writing / journalism on the Chelsea

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article2990110.ece
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2007, 04:17:18 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2007, 04:31:43 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

The only problem is......Del Bosque is his own man and it will take more than mere $$$ to lure him to Stamford Bridge.

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2007, 04:33:51 PM »
i onced heard keane had a limitless clause in his contract for a while at man u

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2007, 04:35:20 PM »
i onced heard keane had a limitless clause in his contract for a while at man u

Meaning what ? he cudda leave at half time if ManU team leading 4-0 .
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2007, 04:36:48 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

The only problem is......Del Bosque is his own man and it will take more than mere $$$ to lure him to Stamford Bridge.

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I really admire del Bosque for me he had Real playing some of the best football I had seen from them in many years. What he managed to do was get the best out of each individual without each losing their identity as footballers. Their football almost seemed Happy.

De ting is......a very similar situation re: a collection of superstars (demi anyway) with big egos.  He's shown he can do it.  Had success while doing so.  He not wukkin right now...BY CHOICE.  Should be a great fit....IF Roman agree to cool heself.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2007, 04:45:55 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

The only problem is......Del Bosque is his own man and it will take more than mere $$$ to lure him to Stamford Bridge.

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I really admire del Bosque for me he had Real playing some of the best football I had seen from them in many years. What he managed to do was get the best out of each individual without each losing their identity as footballers. Their football almost seemed Happy.

De ting is......a very similar situation re: a collection of superstars (demi anyway) with big egos.  He's shown he can do it.  Had success while doing so.  He not wukkin right now...BY CHOICE.  Should be a great fit....IF Roman agree to cool heself.



I remember arguing with a good friend when Del Bosque was sacked, stating that Real had made a drastic mistake and would struggle to be the same. I believe my friend words were, the coach is of little consequence with the players at Real
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2007, 04:56:26 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

The only problem is......Del Bosque is his own man and it will take more than mere $$$ to lure him to Stamford Bridge.

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I really admire del Bosque for me he had Real playing some of the best football I had seen from them in many years. What he managed to do was get the best out of each individual without each losing their identity as footballers. Their football almost seemed Happy.

De ting is......a very similar situation re: a collection of superstars (demi anyway) with big egos.  He's shown he can do it.  Had success while doing so.  He not wukkin right now...BY CHOICE.  Should be a great fit....IF Roman agree to cool heself.



I remember arguing with a good friend when Del Bosque was sacked, stating that Real had made a drastic mistake and would struggle to be the same. I believe my friend words were, the coach is of little consequence with the players at Real
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2007, 05:47:53 PM »
If Abramovic was a smart man.....and he was smart once in hiring Mourinho.....he would look no further than the Spaniard Vicente Del Bosque....the old Real Madrid coach under who's spell he allegedly fell in 2003 during the football lesson served up to the home team at Old Trafford.

The only problem is......Del Bosque is his own man and it will take more than mere $$$ to lure him to Stamford Bridge.

VICENTE DEL BOSQUE PROFILE

I really admire del Bosque for me he had Real playing some of the best football I had seen from them in many years. What he managed to do was get the best out of each individual without each losing their identity as footballers. Their football almost seemed Happy.

De ting is......a very similar situation re: a collection of superstars (demi anyway) with big egos.  He's shown he can do it.  Had success while doing so.  He not wukkin right now...BY CHOICE.  Should be a great fit....IF Roman agree to cool heself.



I remember arguing with a good friend when Del Bosque was sacked, stating that Real had made a drastic mistake and would struggle to be the same. I believe my friend words were, the coach is of little consequence with the players at Real
 ;D

Who win La Liga las season again?  ;D

After a 5 year wait well deserved & to win in such style  ::)


Seriously though only Guti Raul, Salgado & Casillas remain from that squad..
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2007, 05:57:50 PM »

After a 5 year wait well deserved & to win in such style  ::)


Seriously though only Guti Raul, Salgado & Casillas remain from that squad..

Is always most satisfyin to win on de last day of de season no?  8)
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Re: Turncoat Terry... and other bizarre goings-on at Chelsea
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2007, 10:03:40 AM »
they should sack he ass as England captain after that shit he do with the ref on Sunday.
whappen..like he ent have no behaviour and feel he is "IT"..steups
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