i want to make a point about this allusion to inexperienced coaches being qualified to do a job.. now this is my opinion and my theory feel free to bash me on it..
all them people mentioned, klinsmann, rijkaard, voeller, keane, dunga and i will add even stoichkov, hagi, sanchez have three things in common which wim does not..
1. first of all, these are former national players of a high pedigree with reputable standing, and it is that reputation that is the major selling point in going in that direction.. (especially when they didnt do no coaching courses).. It would be akin to us hiring latapy as our national coach knowing the kind of respect he would command from the players under him irregardless of his actual coaching abilities.. More often than not, the ability to gain that respect being a national hero (which is so much more difficult in this age of football where clubs rule - another discussion altogether) enables them the leeway to implement their philosophies without the opposition that a traditional local coach would get from a player coming back from a big club.
2. secondly, these former national players are usually surrounded by a good supporting cast of coaches to handle the tactical side of things.. not saying that they dont have their ideas of how things should be done.. like how klinsmann had revolutionary ideas about training methods, or how dunga wanted to implement a different team ethic.. but they are hardly ever the master tacticians that do that sort of stuff behind the scenes.. I dont get the feeling that wim has that kind of supporting cast on his roster... jan van deinsen and anton corneal hardly count as master tacticians, and if we want to capitalize on our showing at the world cup and really be where we think we should be in world football, we need something better..
3. lastly, all them former players turn coaches allyuh call were some high pedigree players.. wim is a relative unheard-of in the history of the game.. in my opinion, the less you have done in your playing career, the more experience you should have as a coach to call upon to supplement your credentials.. that balance makes the best coaches.. example, mourinho and benitez never ball nowhere but had umpteen years coaching experience behind them before they became as good as they are today.. wim has neither a reputable coaching history or a reputable coaching career..
thats my thoughts..
Your first point- Just because you never heard of Wim doesn't mean he wasn't a quality player. Not all quality players are popular, especially those who played b4 the mass media & cable TV era....plus He played for Holland's nat'l team at a time when Holland were arguably the best in the world- he was on both WC runner up teams (74 & 78)- that eh no joke....
Second point- About the supporting cast- fair enough but if that's the argument, why we pointing fingers at Wim- why not point fingers at those who appointed his supporting cast?
Third point- Like I said, you calling Wim a relative unknown in his playing career is based on your ignorance of dutch domestic & Natl football in the 70's (their biggest era), and the fact that he didn't play in the cable TV era....his playing accomplishments appear to be greater than Latapy's (who you mentioned earlier)- and he began his coaching career in 1986- which is over 20 years ago.....does that qualify as upmteen to you?
You're not making much sense.....
first point... If i haven't heard about wim, its unlikely that those players representing the national team have heard of him either.. or heard of him sufficiently enough to rate him as someone deserving of that kind of respect afforded to a legendary player.. furthermore, my first point was about nationalistic respect due, and that his dutch and not trini nationality exempts him from this...
second point was not meant at all to point fingers at wim, but show that this is a key success factor for those ex-player miraculously turned coaches without qualifications... and i dont think he has that cast.. with the right supporting cast, diego maradona could be a great coach u know!
third point... kicker.. our national players are not old and grey like you (j/k), most are born from 1980 onwards and by and large their knowledge of that era would probably not go much further than johann cruyff..... i'm willing to bet that my ignorance of dutch domestic and national football back then is theirs as well... it needs to be something they can identify with an is usually the case with the "ex-player coach" status types...
re: his coaching experience check the list. all them years he coaching only as an assistant or youth coach? Sorry but i think a team with world cup ambitions deserves better than that... Even our less endowed neighbors jamaica courting sven goran eriksson and other high calibre coaches...
see and try to understand my point that ex-players turn coaches, coach in their own countries where they have that status before you say i am not making any sesne..
Well said .
All this about sub standard players is stupidness. We have what we have.
Blaming the mess that is TTFF not getting us anywhere with qualifiers around the corner
What a coach that take on a job like this has to do is take the best that is available to him and bring them to a standard that makes them competitive.
All this coach has done in the past 15mths has shown me that he does not have the capacity to do that.
What Beenhakker did in the short time he was Trinidad coach was simple.
He identified where our weaknesses were and put in stop gap measures, he was also able to put belief of qualification into the squad.
His tactics were simple , get the team to concentrate and not concede the stupid early goals that made it difficult for them to come back from and put speed on the flanks with a holding mid field, no set of fancy football.
He achieved his mandate and moved on.
He did not lay any foundation for the standard of our football to improve because that was not his role and the timeframe he was involved for made that impossible.
This new coach has not done anything.
Where is his local core that understands and can effectively execute his style ?
You're not getting internationals however in the past you've refused to play citing team un preparedness.
URP is relevant .