Name ah Coach Thread ;-)

[asylumseeker]

Lawrence displeased?? But this man ent easy at all 

Probably preferred in-person eye to eye versus taking the phone call. Form over substance.

But yeah, my reaction was along the lines of yours.

[Trini _2022]

He got a phone call wha else he want ..... In the past coaches learned of their  dismissal  through the media eg  bertille  st clair heard his own on the radio  while conducting a training  session with the NT.

[FF]

Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame

[lefty]

Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame

[pull stones]

Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame

he also has no clue.

[Controversial]

Coaches queue up for Lawrence’s job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).

Trinidad and To­ba­go Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion tech­ni­cal com­mit­tee chair­man Kei­th Look Loy is promis­ing a re­place­ment for sacked na­tion­al foot­ball coach Den­nis Lawrence by Fri­day.

And who­ev­er gets the job will have a man­date to take the coun­try to the 2021 CON­CA­CAF Gold Cup via the June 2020 CON­CA­CAF play­off against the win­ner be­tween Bar­ba­dos and Guyana, who play in March.

Lawrence, whose dis­mal record at the helm of the So­ca War­riors dur­ing World Cup qual­i­fiers, CON­CA­CAF Gold Cup and oth­er in­ter­na­tion­al friend­ly match­es for the past three years, led to the TTFA board of di­rec­tors opt­ing to ter­mi­nate his ser­vices at a meet­ing on Sat­ur­day.

Guardian Me­dia Sports un­der­stands that Lawrence has since ex­pressed his dis­plea­sure with how his fir­ing took place.

Yes­ter­day, how­ev­er, Look Loy said the TTFA has al­ready been swamped by ap­pli­ca­tions from men seek­ing to fill the va­can­cy.

“The as­so­ci­a­tion has since been bom­bard­ed with in­ter­ests from coach­es from Eu­rope, South Amer­i­ca and right here lo­cal­ly to pick up coach­ing du­ties with the coun­try’s ju­nior and se­nior teams. The com­mit­tee is cur­rent­ly in the process of look­ing at them be­fore a choice can be made, giv­en the as­so­ci­a­tion’s fi­nan­cial lim­i­ta­tions, but al­so the qual­i­ty of the can­di­dates,” Look Loy told Guardian Me­dia Sports.

But Look Loy gave the as­sur­ance that the se­lec­tion will not be based pure­ly on qual­i­fi­ca­tions.

He said there were the is­sues of fi­nances and im­me­di­a­cy of fill­ing the va­can­cy, which means that the se­lect­ed coach must be will­ing to come here at a mo­ment’s no­tice and lay down his pro­gramme. How­ev­er, he made it clear that al­though there is an is­sue of fi­nances, he has al­ways been firm in the view that the coun­try should get the best coach they can af­ford.

He said he be­lieves for the first 2020 FI­FA win­dow in March, the new coach must have laid plans down which should in­clude at least two in­ter­na­tion­al friend­ly match­es. He said the TTFA has al­ready been ap­proached by sev­er­al in­ter­na­tion­al match agents with of­fers for 2020 en­gage­ments.

Mean­while, Cen­tral FC own­er and man­ag­ing di­rec­tor Brent San­cho, who played with Lawrence on the 2006 team that qual­i­fied for the World Cup in Ger­many, has sup­port­ed the de­ci­sion to re­place Lawrence, say­ing while the for­mer coach faced nu­mer­ous chal­lenges, it was dif­fi­cult to de­fend the string of 14 win­less match­es by the So­ca War­riors in the lat­ter part of his tenure.

“The coun­try has nev­er re­al­ly got­ten the op­por­tu­ni­ty to ex­pe­ri­ence Lawrence’s true tal­ent be­cause the play­ing field was not lev­elled. For in­stance, he faced chal­lenges of an age­ing tal­ent pool, play­ers re­turn­ing for match­es a day be­fore key match­es, etcetera. I think it is un­for­tu­nate for Lawrence, but that’s the na­ture of the sport,” San­cho said.

San­cho said he is hop­ing the new coach will be some­one with ex­ten­sive in­ter­na­tion­al ex­pe­ri­ence and qual­i­fi­ca­tions who will un­der­stand the sit­u­a­tion he is en­ter­ing.

Any inside info on names outside the usual suspects?

[asylumseeker]

Tom Saintfiet: Hello! TTFA? Is it true, de dictator has been toppled? Whaaaat? I dey! What? Anil who? What? Slow meh roll? What? Short-term wuk? What? Gold Cup playoff? What? Guyana or Barbados? What? By Friday? Who is DL? Belgium? I am Belgian. Is this the TTFA or the Belgian FA? Either way AH READY! Yeah, slowing meh roll.

What? Yeah, ah know the introduction press conference routine. Ah affordable and cheap and perform or lose de wuk. Second choice. What? Williams and Cyrus still dey? Approaching retirement? Ok, ah geh yuh. Ah go handle dem "Odouls drinkers".

What? No double-header friendlies and none against Nicaragua or Anguilla? What? FIFA rankings? What? There will be home games?

What? What ah doing? Ah in a Uber on de way to de airport, my 'go' bag always packed nah ... yuh know ah like meh midnight resignations. What? Doh call allyuh, allyuh will call me? So ... what to tell de driver? Ah go take it here? What? Tell him to pick up who? Meh physio? What disres...? No usual suspects?  See allyuh in court. Allyuh paying fuh meh Uber. Oy, text me de Lawrence fella number nah. What? He doh like phone calls? Ok, ok. Ah will have Gambia text him, ah have a flight to Brussels to ketch.

Under his breath as he hangs up: "Friggin Trinis!"

[Tiresais]

I'm hoping for more than a bargain-bucket manager from the "also-rans" of African and Asian football.

[coache]

I am sorry to see Dennis Lawrence go. He was a nice guy. I am Thankful for his services. He was the man who put the USA out of the World Cup.

I don't believe that there is an active local Coach who would have any success with the National Senior team.

Trinidad and Tobago football is at an all time low. This lowpoint is a reflection of the overall poor state of football in the twin island Republic. There aren't any real developmental programs/academies/Coaching Schools. The Coaches are marooned on the island; they don't get a chance to leave and go to  a developed nation to see something different. Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, are great places to go learn how to run a youth program.

The football is stuck in the 18th century..Colleges league is the most important league...the players are mediocre at best.

Football was at it's highest in the 60's and  the 80's. The elements which made the football of that Golden era
were never identified so nobody knows what it takes to produce another Latapy or Dwight Yorke..we will never produce another player of their quality under the current culture.

So in closing I say again ..There is no active Coach foreign or domestic who is currently living on those islands has the ability, knowledge or know how.. can bring any success to any National program..the football and the football culture is in the 18th century.
   Jah Bless

[Tallman]

I am sorry to see Dennis Lawrence go. He was a nice guy. I am Thankful for his services. He was the man who put the USA out of the World Cup.

He wasn't solely responsible, he just contributed to the effort. Two other things had to happen, Panama had to beat Costa Rica and Honduras had to beat Mexico. In the case of Panama, one of the goals they "scored" was not even a goal. So basically it was a perfect storm that eliminated the USA.

[coache]

Tallman all I remember is that Dennis Lawrence was at the helm and Trinidad and Tobago soundly beat the USA..the score was 2-1.

Thank You Dennis Lawrence ! You put the USA out the World Cup. Costa Rica and Mexico had already qualified and they want to see the US suffer so they did their due diligence.

Big up Dennis Lawrence..If the TTFA wanted to improve football in Trinidad and Tobago they would have hired him to set up a proper Youth Development program.

And Mr Tallman why you and boys like to keep puttin lipstick on  pig?

Go to the source of the problem ..Colleges league can't develop players..the clubs are no clubs at all and the  leagues have no real value to them..so tell me how any Coach can put forth a National Team which can compete in today's football arena?

I am sorry for Football in the twin island Republic

[trini_stallion]

Tallman all I remember is that Dennis Lawrence was at the helm and Trinidad and Tobago soundly beat the USA..the score was 2-1.

Thank You Dennis Lawrence ! You put the USA out the World Cup. Costa Rica and Mexico had already qualified and they want to see the US suffer so they did their due diligence.

Big up Dennis Lawrence..If the TTFA wanted to improve football in Trinidad and Tobago they would have hired him to set up a proper Youth Development program.

And Mr Tallman why you and boys like to keep puttin lipstick on  pig?

Go to the source of the problem ..Colleges league can't develop players..the clubs are no clubs at all and the  leagues have no real value to them..so tell me how any Coach can put forth a National Team which can compete in today's football arena?

I am sorry for Football in the twin island Republic

Coache, I agree with you, and I’m sure I can speak for all/99%  of our fellow forum members, yes, our development program is almost non-existent. HOWEVER, this is not today’s breaking news. It has been this way for as long as I can remember.

Under Hart though, most recently, we were competing. We had a cohesive unit. We had a Concacaf powerhouse on the back peddle, mexico was nervous. All those factors you mentioned...well I say, yes, BUT...our senior men’s team was still able.

Now that being said...let’s say for example, we get a caliber coach of Don Leo...he puts his team together and next thing we in the GC...I wouldn’t call that a fluke. I’d call it...proper coaching, proper use of players, philosophy etc. something Dennis could not/would not have accomplished.

[real madness]

Fenwick is a good short term solution based on his extensive coaching experience in Trinidad. TTFA should not rush into handing out a long term contract.

[Deeks]

Guys, for 2006 WC,  did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?

[asylumseeker]

Fenwick is a good short term solution based on his extensive coaching experience in Trinidad. TTFA should not rush into handing out a long term contract.

Last time Fenwick was not interested in a short-term contract. However, that was understandable then. Today the rules of the road have changed and a short-term contract with short-term achievement targets is the sensible order of the day.

[trini_stallion]

Guys, for 2006 WC,  did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?

During

[Deeks]

Guys, for 2006 WC,  did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?

During

Sometimes we have to put a foreign coach tenure into context at the time. Beenie did not do any developmental as far as I can remember. What was going to happen or planned when he leaves was the  other Dutch coaches(Wim Risbergen) together with Lincoln and other local coaches would do the development under the Dutch football model. Well that did not worked. The players had strike when Jack did not give them their money, and Lincoln and Wim got in a near blows situation. Correct me on that.

We were back to square one on development once again.

[100% Barataria]

Guys, for 2006 WC,  did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?

During

Sometimes we have to put a foreign coach tenure into context at the time. Beenie did not do any developmental as far as I can remember. What was going to happen or planned when he leaves was the  other Dutch coaches(Wim Risbergen) together with Lincoln and other local coaches would do the development under the Dutch football model. Well that did not worked. The players had strike when Jack did not give them their money, and Lincoln and Wim got in a near blows situation. Correct me on that.

We were back to square one on development once again.

Yup

[coache]

New administration ..same khaki pants..Lok Loy back again..this thing is a revolving door.. the same people just jumping in and jumping out

Senior Team Coach is important to them because the senior team makes money for them.

They don't want to put any money neither any time into youth development.

They will run up bills and debt..get the tax payers to foot the bills..business as usual..the people on this board were put here by them to maintain the status quo.

If allyuh love Trinidad and Tobago Football so much why not push for proper youth development?
Why not push for Coaching education?

Big up to the last administration for laying down a physical foundation so that these things can be facilitated.

Allyuh just want to see the National Team hold their end against Mexico and the USA in the Gold Cup..
that is so low achieving, mediocre and short sighted.

You have men here who went to Pres, Naps, St Mary's and all the brainious institutions and you go on and on about your infinite knowledge of all things football ..yet not able to set your compass to point in the right direction without being distracted.

This iodiocy must stop! I am fed up of coming on this site every five years to continue the same conversations with the SAME train of thought ..is there no one on this board who has changed his views or upgraded his thought process in the last five years? If you are thinking the same things the same way as you did five years ago ..something is not right..we have to grow not remain stagnant.

[Deeks]

coache, i don't know what to say, but almost all countries select the senior men coach first. How else would they do it ? As you know, Fenwick was select as the new MNT coach. And this part on youth football is taken from the Guardian.

It is un­der­stood that Fen­wick’s sup­port staff will al­so be de­ployed with oth­er T&T youth teams as a cost-cut­ting mea­sure by the TTFA.

[palos]

Big up to the last administration for laying down a physical foundation so that these things can be facilitated.

This the same last administration where T&T youth teams get beat at unprecedented levels in youth tournaments, regardless of age group, throughout it's tenure?

Or you using the term "last administration" literally?

[ABTrini]

I think that Fenwick may be a good choice.....

Well let's see if this prophetic - the jury still out

Could we assess a coach on  training sessions?😊

[ABTrini]

Might as well start talking it up
Me eh sure we even have a team to beat anyone in out group

[ABTrini]

Rember when....,.

[ABTrini]

Here is a list of all the coaches were have had since independence. Hart is one of the very few to last over 2 years. Bertille is the other. The list has 3 yr gap. 1981, 1982, 1983. Anyone able to fill the gap?.

George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simőes (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)

Time to update this list? Anything official?

[Deeks]

Here is a list of all the coaches were have had since independence. Hart is one of the very few to last over 2 years. Bertille is the other. The list has 3 yr gap. 1981, 1982, 1983. Anyone able to fill the gap?.

George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simőes (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)

Time to update this list? Anything official?

Guys, as we acknowledged that this list is subject to correction. So when the Shell Cup started(maybe 79 or 80). can't remember. But I remember TT played French Guiana in the Oval and lost the first leg. Jimmy Blanc( I am almost sure) was hire to coach the team for the return leg in Cayenne. TT won the 2nd leg 4-2 or 5-2 to advance. On return to TT Jimmy was released. He was not given the chance to coach the team for the Shell Cup tournament. I am almost sure this happened. Asylum, TallMan, Flex could you guys verify this.

George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simőes (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)
Dennis Lawrence
Terry Fenwick
Angus Eve

[maxg]

Another big coach ?
Kyle Lavince Lightbourne

[kounty]

Edgar Vidale get quite a few runs bai.

[Deeks]

Edgar Vidale get quite a few runs bai.

Edgar was one of the few local coaches to get good performance out of the national team outside of TT. The 74 CAC team won silver. Should have been gold. He and Ken Henry were assistants to Kevin Verity who coached the 74 WC team. He brought quite a few youths, especially from South on the team. Steve Khan, Ray Moraldo, Sydney Augustine, Spann, Peter Mitchell(Who played well in that tournament). His winning goal knocked out Mexico. He even gave Oscar Durity a chance at making the team. Can't remember how many games he played. Edgar did spend  time in Germany doing a football course. So Edgar Vidale name should be on the list for 1974 also.

[lefty]

Spear ah thought for Latapy, I was half hoping to see dat Barbados did get a couple red card but whey boy