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Re: Is Mc cain in trouble here? romantic liasons maybe???
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2008, 11:22:12 AM »
so this all is JUST rumour...
is ah "doh let facts get in the way of a good story?"
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Re: Is Mc cain in trouble here? romantic liasons maybe???
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2008, 08:57:22 PM »
Ah wonderin if this is the reason why Huck-ah -bee was hangin around for all this time .
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Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2008, 10:44:02 AM »
Ralph Nader enters presidential race



Ralph Nader is running for president as an independent.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Ralph Nader is entering the presidential race as an independent, he announced Sunday.

In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," the consumer advocate said great changes in U.S. history have come "through little parties that never won any national election."

"Dissent is the mother of ascent," he said. "And in that context I've decided to run for president."

Nader, who turns 74 this week, complained about the "paralysis of the government," which he said is under the control of corporate executives and lobbyists.

It marks his fourth straight White House bid -- fifth if his 1992 write-in campaign is included.

Nader's entry into the race did not come as a surprise to political watchers.

On Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama criticized him. "My sense is that Mr. Nader is somebody who, if you don't listen and adopt all of his policies, thinks you're not substantive," Obama told reporters when asked about Nader's possible candidacy.

"He seems to have a pretty high opinion of his own work."

Obama added that Nader "is a singular figure in American politics and has done as much as just about anyone for consumers."

And Obama added, "I don't mean to diminish that." But he added, "There's a sense now that if someone's not hewing to the Ralph Nader agenda, he says they're lacking in some way."

Responding to those remarks during his "Meet the Press" interview, Nader encouraged people to look at his campaign Web site, votenader.org, which he said discusses issues important to Americans that Obama and Sen. John McCain "are not addressing."

Nader called Obama "a person of substance" and "the first liberal evangelist in a long time" who "has run a good tactical campaign." But he accused Obama of censoring "his better instincts" on divisive issues.

He also said political consultants "have really messed up Hillary Clinton's campaign."

Nader also wrote off any suggestions that his entry into the race could draw enough votes from the Democratic candidate to help the Republican win. "If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," he said.

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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2008, 12:49:19 PM »


Nader called Obama "a person of substance" and "the first liberal evangelist in a long time" who "has run a good tactical campaign." But he accused Obama of censoring "his better instincts" on divisive issues.

He also said political consultants "have really messed up Hillary Clinton's campaign."

Nader also wrote off any suggestions that his entry into the race could draw enough votes from the Democratic candidate to help the Republican win. "If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," he said.



Thank you Ralph for your tremendous contribution to the cause of consumer advocacy and your tireless work on behalf of the common man.


Now f*c*off and die before you usher in yet another 8 years of republican rule
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2008, 01:41:56 PM »
this man is ah glutton fuh defeat.
soon ah go b ah lean mean bulling machine.

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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2008, 01:54:15 PM »
Nader called Obama "a person of substance" and "the first liberal evangelist in a long time" who "has run a good tactical campaign." But he accused Obama of censoring "his better instincts" on divisive issues.
He also said political consultants "have really messed up Hillary Clinton's campaign."
Nader also wrote off any suggestions that his entry into the race could draw enough votes from the Democratic candidate to help the Republican win. "If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," he said.
Thank you Ralph for your tremendous contribution to the cause of consumer advocacy and your tireless work on behalf of the common man.
Now f*c*off and die before you usher in yet another 8 years of republican rule
dat would not be good to split the vote :(
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2008, 02:50:07 PM »
dat would not be good to split the vote :(

West go on Ralph website. He claim to represent the "issues" dem others avoiding. But then it have PLENTY issues Ralph eh discussing either. Is the man right to run, but his political instincts STINK and AFAIC he played a large part in unleashing the pandora's box of neo-con ideology.

Ralph love the anti-corporate talk and in some ways he right. But Ralph acting like corporations run washington. They don't. Politicians and their greed run washington. Corporations know domestic and foreign policy is like a used jockstrap on ebay, on sale to any fool with the higest bid.

Nader does not recognize that corporations are only a part of the problem. The problem is that US is being run as a post-political, balkanized, self-serving/institutionalized dystopia. 

Ralph Nader would serve the country and the world much better if he were to jockey for a position as Chair of the Ethics Committee, not run and mess up the best challenge to neoconism for the last 8 years.

 
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2008, 05:27:54 PM »
buh hear nuh, dem people they call Lobbyist, they represent major corporatins, so in a way the Corperations influence the decision making process in the usa, like in most countries. ;)
When Obama say he will not be influenced by them, Lobbyist, I dont see how that would be possible. Some say he will eventually have to repay his supporters.
Take that Democart senator who wanted to clean up washington, he failed miserably. The Status Quo is entrenched fully.
but the sentiment is admirable indeed.
I too would love to give Power to the People. ;)
In local government in the usa you will find less influence by corporations I believe.
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2008, 08:28:29 PM »
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In local government in the usa you will find less influence by corporations I believe.

Purely because of economies of scale and the proportional effect of influence on the federal v state versus local levels ... Llocal governments are reknown for making concessions to attract new industries/ employers many of whom make grandiose promises that occasionally don't pan out ... eventually the jokers fly the coop ... economic devlopment on a local government level is a big cash cow

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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2008, 11:15:27 PM »
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In local government in the usa you will find less influence by corporations I believe.

Purely because of economies of scale and the proportional effect of influence on the federal v state versus local levels ... Llocal governments are reknown for making concessions to attract new industries/ employers many of whom make grandiose promises that occasionally don't pan out ... eventually the jokers fly the coop ... economic devlopment on a local government level is a big cash cow

Not to mention some ah de biggest crooks does be in local politics, is dey dey does home dey skills fuh de National stage!  Local officials does sell out too.

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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2008, 11:54:39 PM »
And plus dey duncey, a local yokel is no match for a hard-face, cold-eyed corporate "negotiator" that dictates the present concessions the locals will have to make and the off the record meetings that they conduct about future policy directions they would like to see in place such as location of new roads, zoning restrtictions, easements and planning.

The local politican scence in Ontario is usually pragmatic, not idealogue driven, so its hard to resist overtures by lobby groups smelling of money.

So Ralph, dust it nah, before you give us the gift of McCain and his wars of indeterminate length.
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2008, 11:57:44 AM »
a woman, a redman with a middle name of "hussein", a ex-viet cong prisoner with a bangladeshi daughter and now a left wing lebanese?

this is good entertainment boy!

i say MARY CAREY FOR PRESIDENT!

i hope she run like she say.


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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2008, 01:13:29 PM »
Nader people from lebanon?....I never know dat

well look how de negative ads machines go dig up dat and link it to terrorism if it even look like he close  to winnin the big job.
Not like it have a chance in hell dat go happen
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2008, 01:20:50 PM »
I thought it was Ralph from Eddie Hart League . :rotfl:

I listened to this guy on Bill Maher's show. He's decent- fairly similar to Obama in fact.

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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2008, 01:36:39 PM »
Nader people from lebanon?....I never know dat

well look how de negative ads machines go dig up dat and link it to terrorism if it even look like he close to winnin the big job.
Not like it have a chance in hell dat go happen

Dutty, the spinmeisters go make him the first terrorist in history name Ralph.
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Re: Ralphie enters the presidential race
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2008, 07:02:49 PM »
a woman, a redman with a middle name of "hussein", a ex-viet cong prisoner with a bangladeshi daughter and now a left wing lebanese?

this is good entertainment boy!

i say MARY CAREY FOR PRESIDENT!

i hope she run like she say.



I wasn't aware of the Bangladeshi daughter ...

But with respect to the McCain lobbyist story, Obama in the released photo and so on have a look at this article:

The anatomy of a smear campaign
By Richard H. Davis  |  March 21, 2004 [Boston Globe]

Every presidential campaign has its share of hard-ball political tactics, but nothing is more discomforting than a smear campaign. The deeply personal, usually anonymous allegations that make up a smear campaign are aimed at a candidate's most precious asset: his reputation. The reason this blackest of the dark arts is likely to continue is simple: It often works.

The premise of any smear campaign rests on a central truth of politics: Most of us will vote for a candidate we like and respect, even if we don't agree with him on every issue. But if you can cripple a voter's basic trust in a candidate, you can probably turn his vote. The idea is to find some piece of personal information that is tawdry enough to raise doubts, repelling a candidate's natural supporters.

All campaigns do extensive research into their opponent's voting record and personal life. This so-called "oppo research" involves searching databases, combing through press clips, and asking questions of people who know (and preferably dislike) your opponent. It's not hard to turn up something a candidate would rather not see on the front page of The Boston Globe.

It's not necessary, however, for a smear to be true to be effective. The most effective smears are based on a kernel of truth and applied in a way that exploits a candidate's political weakness.

Having run Senator John McCain's campaign for president, I can recount a textbook example of a smear made against McCain in South Carolina during the 2000 presidential primary. We had just swept into the state from New Hampshire, where we had racked up a shocking, 19-point win over the heavily favored George W. Bush. What followed was a primary campaign that would make history for its negativity.

In South Carolina, Bush Republicans were facing an opponent who was popular for his straight talk and Vietnam war record. They knew that if McCain won in South Carolina, he would likely win the nomination. With few substantive differences between Bush and McCain, the campaign was bound to turn personal. The situation was ripe for a smear.

It didn't take much research to turn up a seemingly innocuous fact about the McCains: John and his wife, Cindy, have an adopted daughter named Bridget. Cindy found Bridget at Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, brought her to the United States for medical treatment, and the family ultimately adopted her. Bridget has dark skin.

Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the "pollster" determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.

Thus, the "pollsters" asked McCain supporters if they would be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate child who was black. In the conservative, race-conscious South, that's not a minor charge. We had no idea who made the phone calls, who paid for them, or how many calls were made. Effective and anonymous: the perfect smear campaign.

Some aspects of this smear were hardly so subtle. Bob Jones University professor Richard Hand sent an e-mail to "fellow South Carolinians" stating that McCain had "chosen to sire children without marriage." It didn't take long for mainstream media to carry the charge. CNN interviewed Hand and put him on the spot: "Professor, you say that this man had children out of wedlock. He did not have children out of wedlock." Hand replied, "Wait a minute, that's a universal negative. Can you prove that there aren't any?"

Campaigns have various ways of dealing with smears. They can refute the lies, or they can ignore them and run the risk of the smear spreading. But "if you're responding, you're losing." Rebutting tawdry attacks focuses public attention on them, and prevents the campaign from talking issues.

We chose to address the attacks by trying to get the media to focus on the dishonesty of the allegations and to find out who was making them. We also pledged to raise the level of debate by refusing to run any further negative ads -- a promise we kept, though it probably cost us the race. We never did find out who perpetrated these smears, but they worked: We lost South Carolina by a wide margin.

The only way to stop the expected mud-slinging in 2004 is for both President Bush and Senator Kerry to publicly order their supporters not to go there. But if they do, their behavior would be the exception, not the rule.

Richard H. Davis is president of the Reform Institute and a partner in Davis Manafort, a political consulting firm. He was a fellow at Harvard's Institute of Politics in 2002. He was campaign manager for John McCain in 2000 and has worked in every presidential campaign since 1980.

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Obama Confronted On Rezko
« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2008, 07:47:51 PM »

SAN ANTONIO – On the opening day of the federal corruption trial of Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a pack of Chicago reporters descended here today to grill Sen. Barack Obama about his relationship with the real estate developer.

Obama challenged a suggestion that he is not living up to the level of transparency in government that he often claims to be crusading for in his presidential bid.

Still, there are many questions that linger about their longtime relationship. In 1995, Rezko was one of Obama's first political donors.

The Illinois Democrat did not offer any new specifics, despite being asked some specific questions, such as how many fundraisers Rezko held for him.

In trying to make his case for openness, Obama pointed to a previous press conference in suburban Waukegan in 2006 as his best effort to answer Rezko-related questions.

"I literally stood there and took as many questions on this issue as people could think of," he said. "I took every question. I was there until everybody had satisfied their questions…You may still have questions, which I'm happy to answer. But I don't think it's fair to suggest that we've been trying to hide the ball on this."

Obama said there have been "several hundred" news stories written on the issue and that there is not much more to say.

"The fact pattern remains unchallenged," he said. "Tony Rezko was a friend and supporter of mine for many years…He supported not just me, but many Democrats and Republicans."

Obama said the charges being faced by Rezko are "completely unrelated to me and I don't think anyone disputes that."

Then, Obama provided a brief synopsis of his 2005 real estate transaction with Rezko.


"That was a mistake because at that point there was already a cloud over Tony Rezko," he said. "I've been very open about what I have called a bone-headed move. On the other hand, there have been no allegations that I did anything wrong. There have been no allegations that I in any way betrayed the public trust. There have been no allegations that I did him favors…That is the extent of the story."

Obama blamed the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton for pushing the story, something it has done in repeated news releases.

Obama refused to say how many fundraisers Rezko held for him or who attended.

"These requests, I think, can just go on forever," he said. "What we've just tried to do is respond to what's pertinent."

"If there are additional questions, we'll be happy to answer them," he said.

He then recognized a local reporter who changed the subject.

As the news conference came to an end and reporters continued to shout questions about Rezko, Obama said it was time to move on. "We're running late," he said.

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Re: Obama Confronted On Rezko
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2008, 08:02:24 PM »
The Chosen One getting lash hard! Of course the Clintons are the last people that want to talk about past real estate transactions so she will be quiet on this one. This latest splash has the stink of Republicanism though, because Hillary would be either mad call attention to slippery real estate gaffes or very very cunning and desperate.
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Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2008, 07:30:36 AM »
Controversial minister leaves Obama campaign
Presidential candidate condemns words but not ministry of former pastor

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of “guilt by association.”

Obama’s campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.

Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

“I think there was recognition that he’s obviously on the verge of retirement, [that] he’s taking a sabbatatical and that it was important for him to step out of the spotlight in this situation,” Obama said.

Wright was the latest in a series of advisers to Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., who have stepped aside as supporters of both candidates trade racially charged accusations.

Obama rejects comments
Obama spoke warmly of Wright, who retired last month as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Wright is a man “I’ve known for 17 years, [who] helped bring me to Jesus, helped bring me to church,” he said.

“I strongly condemn” Wright’s statements, but “I would not repudiate the man,” Obama said. “He’s been preaching for 30 years. He’s a man who was a former Marine, a biblical scholar, someone who’s spoken at theological schools all over the country.

“That’s the man I know,” Obama said. “That’s the man who was the pastor of this church.”

But Obama acknowledged that “there’s no doubt this is going to be used as political fodder, as it has been in the past.”

“What I hope is [that] what the American people will trust is what I believe,” he said, that “my values, my ideas, what I’ve spoke about in terms of bringing the country together will override a guilt by association.”

But the sermons, at least one of which was delivered long before Wright retired last month, revived uncomfortable questions about Obama’s ties to the minister, whom conservative critics have accused of advocating black separatism.

A videotape of one sermon captures Wright using a harsh racial epithet to argue that Clinton could not understand the struggles of African Americans.

“Barack knows what it means, living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said on Christmas Day of last year. “Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a [N-word]!”

In another sermon, delivered five days after the 9/11 attacks, Wright seems to imply that the United States had brought the terrorist violence on itself.

“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York, and we never batted an eye,” Wright says. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is brought right back in our own front yards.”

In a later sermon, Wright revisits the theme, declaring: “No, no, no, not God bless America — God damn America!”

Obama: I didn’t hear inflammatory sermons
Obama took the title of his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope,” from a sermon by Wright, who baptized him and officiated at his wedding. He has called Wright “a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible.”

In his remarks on MSNBC, Obama expanded on a brief posting that was made under his name earlier Friday afternoon on the Huffington Post Web site.

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” the posting said, adding that over the years, “Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life.

“In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he’s been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.”

Obama wrote that he had known of similar statements by Wright over the years, which he strongly condemned. He wrote that he chose to remain in the church because “Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community.”

Clinton adviser gives Obama a pass
There was no formal reaction from the Clinton campaign, but Lanny Davis, a senior adviser, said he took Obama at his word.

“I give Senator Obama completely — completely — the benefit of the doubt that he has nothing to do with this bigotry that’s being spewed forth by this man,” Davis said on MSNBC’s “Tucker.” “For me, that’s all he has to say.

“I think we should stop this guilt-by-association thing, because some of our supporters say stupid things,” Davis said.

But the videos created a firestorm among political observers and commentators.

“Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright’s church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views,” Wall Street Journal columnist Ron Kessler, publisher of the conservative Web site NewsMax.com, wrote Friday.

Kathryn Jean Lopez, editor of the Web site of the conservative magazine National Review, wrote Friday that “now we know he’s contributed money to, voluntarily listened to, and publicly defended a cleric who peddles racial warfare.”

Others saw an attempt to “smear” Obama.

“How come righteous Republicans are rarely asked about the views of their spiritual advisers? Or why wasn’t George W. Bush (and the presidents preceding him) forced to distance himself from the anti-semitic comments of Billy Graham?” Ari Berman wrote Friday on the Web site of the liberal magazine The Nation, for which he is a contributing writer.

Why are sermons an issue now?
The videotapes of Wright’s sermons have long been available for sale on the church’s Web site, raising questions about why they suddenly became an issue again late Thursday, NBC’s Ron Allen reported.

Although both candidates have disavowed them, recent exchanges between supporters of Obama and Clinton have focused on themes of race and sex.

Geraldine Ferraro, the Democrats’ 1984 vice presidential nominee, resigned as an adviser to Clinton’s campaign Wednesday after she was quoted last week in a California newspaper suggesting that Obama owed his popularity to his race.

“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,” she said, according to the Daily Breeze of Torrance. “And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.”

Last week, Obama’s foreign policy adviser, Samantha Power, a public policy professor at Harvard University, stepped down from the campaign after she was quoted in an interview with a Scottish newspaper calling Clinton a “monster [who] is stooping to anything.”

“You just look at her and think, ‘Ergh,’” Power said, according to The Scotsman.

Last month, Adelfa Callejo, a longtime Latino activist in Texas who supports Clinton, suggested that Latino voters would never accept Obama because of his race. “They never really supported us, and there’s a lot of hard feelings about that,” Callejo said.

And after Obama won the South Carolina primary, Clinton’s husband, the former president, dismissed the significance of his victory by saying it was to be expected because “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice.”

Advisers said Obama and Clinton were distressed by the exchanges and had agreed in a brief conversation on the Senate floor Thursday to work together to put a stop to them.

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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2008, 08:47:00 AM »

Realistically he cannot completely distance himself from the pastor.
He knew full well about the comments and is what....17 years he know the man reallll good.

Talk d truth nah man doh hide.  It eh mean u agree with everything but u well understand the sentiment of the pastor and didn't condemn it before now and for good reason.

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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2008, 12:07:13 PM »
I think the media wants him (Obama) to denouce the preacher in public.  They already have him as a 'side stepper' on major issues so they want to pin this one on him. 
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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2008, 01:01:22 PM »
side steppers often make the best us presidents.

reagan, bush snr. clinton bush jr.  now clinton h and mc cain, and obama

all A-grade side steppers

look at the master of side steppers come and give a dissertation on side stepping eh

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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2008, 02:49:01 PM »
Tempting. heheheh ... I didn't even have to read the final sentence .. once ah saw that A-grade comment ah knew where it was going ... :)

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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2008, 03:47:07 PM »
Obama would b a hypocrite 2 denounce d man 1 day of sun doh make it spring. He denounce d statement. Y Clinton a denouce Geraldine ent she just left her campaign.
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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »
I doh understand why the pastor decide now would be a good time to blaze down dat kinda fire and brimstone.....JUST when his parishoner have a tiny lead in a shaky race

The pastor hadda be wukkin wit Karl Rove  :D
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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #85 on: March 15, 2008, 06:37:30 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2008, 08:30:31 PM »
D man made d statements after 9/11. Hilary is lookin 4 all kind a ting 2 make d man look bad. Itdoh matter D old fogey winning d election in nov. He 4 immigration reform so some ah oui friends and family go get sort out
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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #87 on: March 15, 2008, 09:03:04 PM »
side steppers often make the best us presidents.

reagan, bush snr. clinton bush jr. now clinton h and mc cain, and obama

all A-grade side steppers

look at the master of side steppers come and give a dissertation on side stepping eh

True talk on that one - especially Reagan and De Comback Kid.  However, this is a bit different since he is not cut from the same cloth.  I feel de plan is to have Hilary win for the dems. since they they want a recount in Mi. and FL. and you know we get it right in fL.
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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #88 on: March 15, 2008, 11:06:50 PM »
D man made d statements after 9/11. Hilary is lookin 4 all kind a ting 2 make d man look bad. Itdoh matter D old fogey winning d election in nov. He 4 immigration reform so some ah oui friends and family go get sort out

Doh be so quick to blame Hilary...I think is republicans on this one.
Hilary actually come out and say she give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: Controversial Preacher leaves Obama campaign
« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2008, 11:14:24 PM »
Me eh trust Hilary she feel dat she have some right 2 b President
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