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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #960 on: March 03, 2010, 09:36:05 AM »

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Brazil coach Dunga has total faith in his approach ahead of the 2010 World Cup

By Sam Lyon
BBC Sport at the Emirates

Think of the greats of Brazilian football and you will probably come up with Pele, Garrincha, Rivelino, Socrates - players full of flair, skill and vision. In short, geniuses.

The name of Dunga, however, wouldn't necessarily be on the tip of your tongue. A nuggety defensive midfielder who cut his teeth in Italian football and prizes tactics above flamboyance does not quite fit the Brazilian stereotype.

But while Dunga, who captained Brazil to victory at the 1994 World Cup, might have flown under the radar as a player to some extent, there is no danger of him doing so as a manager.

For now, as head coach of the national side, he is playing a lead role in formulating a new brand of Brazilian football, one that in many ways is shaped in his own image.

And the critics back in his home country are not amused.

Since his appointment in July 2006, the 46-year-old has led Brazil to the 2007 Copa America, the 2009 Confederations Cup and comfortable qualification for this year's World Cup.

His record reads 36 wins from 53 matches, and 43 from 61 if you include the 2008 Olympics campaign - a win percentage of 75.4.

But that is not enough. Not in a country that epitomises all that is glorious and glamorous about the game of football.

The accusation is that Dunga is too pragmatic. Too keen to put the result first and the performance second. Substance over style.

And for a country that has won the greatest prize of them all on five occasions and has also given the world Jairzinho, Zico, Romario and Ronaldo, that is unacceptable.

His selection of the defensive-minded Felipe Melo and Gilberto Silva in central midfield is considered anti-football. His insistence that Robinho, Kaka and Adriano track back as well as attack baffles the average Brazilian fan. The continued absence from his squad of Ronaldinho has been attacked from all angles by his country's press.

Even German legend Franz Beckenbauer weighed into the debate in December, stating: "I don't know this Brazil. I don't like the style. Sorry, Brazil is (about) offense and scoring goals, not controlled soccer."

And now, it would appear, Dunga's patience has worn thin.

He has already announced he will step down as Brazil coach, however far his side gets in South Africa this summer.

And meet the man up close and his frustration at having to answer to the media is hardly disguised. In a room packed full of Brazilian journalists in town for the friendly against the Republic of Ireland, Dunga bristles as the questions rain in, constantly rolling his eyes, sweeping his hair back or sighing deeply.
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Kaka is not yet at his brilliant best

Why have you not selected Ronaldinho? "Everyone always wants to talk about players who are not here. You need to respect the players that are here," he snaps.

How do you deal with the pressure of coaching Brazil? "It's normal that everybody speculates on what could happen. But I need to see what actually will happen. Pressure has always been the story of Brazil. It doesn't give you any advantage or any lack of it. It's something that happens and you have to live with it," he replies.

What do you say to those who do not like your coaching style? "Some people say I'm arrogant but that's not true. Most players in Brazil are talented players. But we don't live on talent. We live on results," he says forcefully.

It is that final philosophy that upsets his critics so much.

It is an approach that he has engineered - publicly - from the start of his reign.

"Talent is extremely important but it has to be united with other things, history shows this," he said at the time of his appointment. "Brazil have often had players of quality but haven't got the results. The national team is not only about skill any more; it's about competitiveness and commitment."

And he makes no apologies for it nearly four years later.

An open training session at the Emirates Stadium on Monday provided an interesting insight into the workings of the Brazilian.

Only so much can be concluded from such a session, of course - why would any side wish to reveal their inner-most secrets and methods with the world's media watching? - but it was still noteworthy that Dunga employed a watching brief, his lieutenants running the drills.
   
The 2006 side lacked a bit of collective spirit. When the group is solid, individual talent tips the balance. But when there is no collectiveness, then individualism goes down the drain together with the group

And whereas you might imagine previous Brazil sides flicking the ball around with aplomb, Dunga ran through endless set-pieces. When a 20-minute match took place at the end, it was 11-a-side on half a pitch, with only two touches allowed and the emphasis on pass and move and closing down the opposition.

In Brazil, some have called it "killing creativity", but on this evidence it is more about enhanced preparation.

Few can argue his approach has not bred results much improved from the embarrassment felt among Brazil fans after the 2006 World Cup, when they were knocked out at the quarter-final stage.

And at a time when Brazil are hardly brimming with the wealth of top-class stars of previous vintages, Dunga is leading from from the front in exactly the way modern football demands: marrying flair with function.

Brazil's 2-0 friendly win over Ireland on Tuesday typified Dunga's approach.

A sluggish start against the Irish at the Emirates Stadium was still notable for the Brazilian players' application, closing the opposition down high up the pitch and squeezing two lines of four in defence. Even Adriano, the striker who disappointed so badly in 2006, broke into a sprint back towards his own goal every now and then.

Still, Ireland had the odd glimpse at goal and, for the first 40 minutes, Brazil were very disappointing going forward. On that evidence alone it would have been easy to understand the supporters' frustration with Dunga's philosophy.

But then they took the lead - albeit fortuitously - and in the second half they barely allowed Ireland a touch of the ball.

Robinho, king of the stepover, was their tormentor in chief. Maicon, bombing forward, underlined why he is regarded as one of the best attacking full-backs in world football. Michel Bastos supplemented attacks on the left at every opportunity, while Kaka - though far from his best - stalked the pitch at will, full of intent. When the Real Madrid playmaker returns to top form, and you can bet it will be at the World Cup, he could be unplayable.

And that is Dunga's point.
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Robinho scored a superb second goal against Ireland at the Emirates

Yes, he has instilled a work ethic in the side that was barely recognisable in some previous Brazil sides - most notably the one that slumped four years ago. And yes he expects even his most flamboyant players to do their bit defensively and to keep the shape of the team.

He has not, however, totally robbed the team of their Samba magic. In attack, Kaka, Robinho and, when they play, the likes of Dani Alves, Elano, Nilmar and Luis Fabiano, have the freedom of the pitch to express themselves, to pull out of position and create something, to torment defenders as they see fit.

When Robinho popped up to sweep home Brazil's second goal at the Emirates, it was on the back of a 22-pass move, full of one-touch football, mesmerising movement and even the odd back-heel.

"Everything is almost clear for us," said the coach after the match. "And we have different options depending on how we need to play."

The flamboyance is still very much in effect. But with the ethic of the team now much improved and an awareness of their defensive responsibilities in place throughout the team, Brazil appear able to execute whatever gameplan is necessary to win.

As Dunga remarked about the 2006 Brazil generation: "They lacked a bit of collective spirit. When the group is solid, individual talent tips the balance. But when there is no collectiveness, then individualism goes down the drain together with the group."

The preparations are not yet complete and there are certainly creases to be ironed out in the coming weeks.

But if Brazil do fail to win the World Cup for a staggering sixth time this year, it will not be down to a lack of preparation, a losing philosophy or even a suffocation of the Samba magic.

Dunga will see to that.
         

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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #961 on: March 03, 2010, 09:38:34 AM »
The question is ..yes Ronaldhino can make the team but he probably cannot start. So the issue them becomes  is he willing to do a bench role. and you dont know the politics. Maybe discussions internally have been such that Ronaldhino cannot deal with the supporting role. In which case in the name of team chemistry is beeter to leave him out.

if I was the coach I will put him on the squad. If Robhino get hurt or playing shit Ronaldhino is a great replacement.

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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #962 on: March 03, 2010, 10:28:10 AM »
if this happen it would be the absolute worst decision since Scolari leave out Romario from the side (and yes i know they win it but still).

It wasn't Scolari that left out Romario.  It was Zagallo...and they didn't win....so yuh point is still valid.

actually both of allyuh technically right. Zagallo picked Romario and then dropped him due to a calf injury. Scolari refused to pick Romario and made it clear he will not be going
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #963 on: March 03, 2010, 10:46:32 AM »
if this happen it would be the absolute worst decision since Scolari leave out Romario from the side (and yes i know they win it but still).

It wasn't Scolari that left out Romario.  It was Zagallo...and they didn't win....so yuh point is still valid.

actually both of allyuh technically right. Zagallo picked Romario and then dropped him due to a calf injury. Scolari refused to pick Romario and made it clear he will not be going


True- good shout.  Didn't seem like that much of an apalling decision to leave him out of WC 2002 though- he was 36 and speculative.  He was an option, but I don't remember people kicking up too much of a fuss about his non selection then...Ronaldo, Rivaldo & Ronaldinho was the tridente of that era to my memory...

In WC 1998 though he was firing on all cylinders pairing up top with Ronaldo, and despite his injury critics were outraged at his non-selection...It was the "talk of the town" so to speak....He cried at his public press conference after not being selected by Zagallo...more comparable to the present day Ronaldinho scenario so I thought Dinho was remembering that but mixing up the years. 

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DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #964 on: March 03, 2010, 10:50:13 AM »
                                                 Julio Cesar

                     Maicon           Lucio            Juan   Andre Santos

                                 Gilberto    Silver     Dani Alves
                                             
                                                   Kaka
 
                             Robinho        Fabiano       Ronaldiho
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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #965 on: March 03, 2010, 11:09:53 AM »
too much space between gilberto and silver...... I now goin an' aks u what kinda coach does put twelve man on d field :-[.............good line up doh
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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #966 on: March 03, 2010, 11:14:01 AM »
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #967 on: March 03, 2010, 11:15:07 AM »
Robinho is not better than Ronaldinho. Its sad that I even have to write that. Furthermore what can Robinho do defensively beside run and make the same number of bad tackles Ronaldinho makes. Let Melo and Silva do that dog work.

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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #968 on: March 03, 2010, 11:20:56 AM »
                 Julio Cesar

Maicon    Lucio     Juan     Dani Alves

          Melo      G. Silva

Nilmar           Kaka            Ronaldinho

               Luis Fabiano



.... But FORZA ITALIA   :devil: :devil: :devil:
         

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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #969 on: March 03, 2010, 11:25:48 AM »
                 Julio Cesar

Maicon    Lucio     Juan     Dani Alves

          Melo      G. Silva

Nilmar           Kaka            Ronaldinho

               Luis Fabiano



.... But FORZA ITALIA   :devil: :devil: :devil:
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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #970 on: March 03, 2010, 11:27:31 AM »
                 Julio Cesar

Maicon    Lucio     Juan     Dani Alves

          Melo      G. Silva

Nilmar           Kaka            Ronaldinho

               Luis Fabiano



.... But FORZA ITALIA   :devil: :devil: :devil:

If Alves is comfortable attacking (and defending) down the left side, that's pretty much it there except across the middle I would have Kaka, Ronaldinho and Robinho...let Nilmar be the first man off the bench. 
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #971 on: March 03, 2010, 11:31:46 AM »
Robinho is not better than Ronaldinho. Its sad that I even have to write that. Furthermore what can Robinho do defensively beside run and make the same number of bad tackles Ronaldinho makes. Let Melo and Silva do that dog work.

Can't disagree that Ronaldinho is a more quality player than Robinho- no question about that...but I disagree that they offer the same defensively.  Robinho harasses defensively, and wins the ball back...he also tracks back and clogs channels defending is not just tackling.... Except for some rare instances that I've seen from time to time, Ronaldinho is pretty much a non factor when the other team has the ball. 
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Re: DUNGA IF YUH LISTENNG THE IDEAL BRAZILIAN LINE UP
« Reply #972 on: March 03, 2010, 11:37:48 AM »
Dunga always proving people wrong. In Copa America 2007 no Kaka, no Ronaldinho, and Brazil enbarass a full Argentina squad in the final. Robinho was the star of this tournament. Then in the Confederation Cup, Brazil Defending was brought in question and more so at half time in the final. Once again a Kaka inspired Brazil prove all wrong. So maybe Dunga knows something and he eh telling!  ;D

Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.
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« Reply #973 on: March 03, 2010, 11:51:12 AM »

Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.

Cheers to that!! Yuh take the words out of my mouth....

I was about to say that in another thread but deleted.  That Brazil 2006 WC side was probably the most disappointing Brazilian side I've seen in my lifetime including the team from Italia '90.  Boring, static, disjointed, over the hill in some cases and terrible.  They didn't lose pretty, they lost ugly. The one game they performed well was against Japan because they brought in the young guys on the flanks Cicinho and Gilberto (not Gilberto Silva)....Ronaldinho actually played well in that game because he had movement up and down the flanks creating room for himself to play.  R. Carlos & Cafu were such busts.  They were static and useless... As bad as Adriano was and as lazy as Ronaldo played, the mistake Parreira made in WC 2006 was playing Cafu & R. Carlos on the flanks- those guys were way past their shelf life on the international stage...and alot of the Brazilian attack in that team relied on their work rate going forward creating width and options. 
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #974 on: March 03, 2010, 11:57:54 AM »
Observer ah agree with you dey. Irregardless of what he does this team will move on. It just that it too blatant with how Ronnie performing not to include him in this team. He has done well since he has been in charge. However, he better win the cup with a Ronnie and Pato less squad. Brazil will crucify him if he doesn't. The at atmosphere around here real edgy because the nation wants him in dey but they tolerating him right nw becuase the team winning. Just imagine yesterday during the game it have Brazilian folks hoping the team lose so he will relent under pressure. I like the energy and work rate he has instilled in this team. I would challenge that the line up I have provided will give any team hell in SA. The only reason I didn't put Alves in the left back spot is because I feel he ain't having that one. It would be my choice though then place Felipe Melo in the defensive mid position with Gilberto Silva  ;)
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« Reply #975 on: March 03, 2010, 12:23:01 PM »

Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.

Cheers to that!! Yuh take the words out of my mouth....

I was about to say that in another thread but deleted.  That Brazil 2006 WC side was probably the most disappointing Brazilian side I've seen in my lifetime including the team from Italia '90.  Boring, static, disjointed, over the hill in some cases and terrible.  They didn't lose pretty, they lost ugly. The one game they performed well was against Japan because they brought in the young guys on the flanks Cicinho and Gilberto (not Gilberto Silva)....Ronaldinho actually played well in that game because he had movement up and down the flanks creating room for himself to play.  R. Carlos & Cafu were such busts.  They were static and useless... As bad as Adriano was and as lazy as Ronaldo played, the mistake Parreira made in WC 2006 was playing Cafu & R. Carlos on the flanks- those guys were way past their shelf life on the international stage...and alot of the Brazilian attack in that team relied on their work rate going forward creating width and options. 


Pato got injured in the Milan game. More than likely he will be on the 22.

With Marcelo and Bastos to play in the left back position, I can't see Dunga going for Alves on the left (though he has played as a sub coming on in that position). I like Alves as a Right midfielder much more than I like Ramires. Alves and Maicon on the right side together will force Teams to have extra cover down that side to stop the raid. This will free up space for Kaka to operate and with Fabiano lurking Brazil in the air and on the ground will be frightening. Somehow I get the feeling Dunga not showing that card on purpose. Small dose to see how it will work but nothing more.
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #976 on: March 03, 2010, 06:30:11 PM »
Way before 2006, Brazil cut out the samba flair, in fact I would go as far back as 1994. They were starving for a WC title, and Pareira instilled European styled discipline to their play. I've always had mixed feelings about this. It is difficult to win pretty in modern football, but I believe Brazil has enough talent to do it. Look at Barca!

Until then, I really can't argue with the results.

...But...Dunga taking it to a whole new level.

All I seeing from Brazil is "keep enough possession, then counter-attack". Ah mean, for a whole 90 mins, come nah man.

One question: Between Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Pele, etc, which one used to track back? Yuh have to leave these men to do what they do best.

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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #977 on: March 03, 2010, 07:20:08 PM »
What alyuh worrying about, Nike have to make some money yuh know, and CR could only be pimped to the 2nd round. Ronnie have more stamina and could go all night.

FIFA struggling to get infrastructure in place so they will need as much distraction on the field as possible.
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« Reply #978 on: March 03, 2010, 08:48:42 PM »
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« Reply #979 on: March 03, 2010, 09:03:17 PM »
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« Reply #980 on: March 04, 2010, 01:42:23 PM »
was at the game and it was borin for most parts. Ah kno nowahdays its all about results but when it comes to brazil we all expect flare and entertainin football which was absent.

on ah side not: even de woman n dem was dissapointin once setta outta shape who lookin square who have pot belly steups waste ah £42...p.s. it had one two fit nice women but de majourity failed
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« Reply #981 on: March 04, 2010, 04:16:50 PM »
Sad to say but when i want to watch Joga Bonito the first option is to watch Spain

Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday

Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong

and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.
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« Reply #982 on: March 04, 2010, 04:59:16 PM »
Sad to say but when i want to watch Joga Bonito the first option is to watch Spain

Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday

Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong

and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.

They still more fun to watch than Spain.
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« Reply #983 on: March 04, 2010, 05:16:51 PM »
From what I have seen, Spain is the most cohesive team a present. The reason being, the core of Spain mid-field(engine room) play with Barca. They playing all the time together. All them Euro teams have no problem with having the players on quick notice. Brazil, Argentina on the othe hand are still disjointed. Most players are in Euro. The coaches might as well stay in Europe and coach in Europe. Brazil hardly ever play friendlies in Brazil. This may be Spain's year to with it, but say what, it may be Holland's year also.

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« Reply #984 on: March 04, 2010, 05:18:26 PM »
I honestly feel dinho will be on the team. He may not start, but will that be a problem.

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« Reply #985 on: March 04, 2010, 05:23:56 PM »
Sad to say but when i want to watch Joga Bonito the first option is to watch Spain

Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday

Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong

and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.

They still more fun to watch than Spain.

Kicker I eh really think you believe that. I feel is a little Real bias dey as most of the players for Spain are Barca  ;D
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Me I love football that have imagination and flair, Brazil 82 still dear to me. Now almost all teams look like a combination of Italy & Germany (of the past). Spain carrying a torch. Lets hope this WC  bring back some sparkle and fantasy to our hearts.
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #986 on: March 04, 2010, 05:36:50 PM »
USA winning the world cup ......

 i dont think he finished his sentance, he probably meant world cup tennis or sumptin

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« Reply #987 on: March 05, 2010, 12:36:49 PM »

Kicker I eh really think you believe that. I feel is a little Real bias dey as most of the players for Spain are Barca  ;D
There was a time when Beautiful football belonged to Brazil, Holland, France, Spain. However, people start saying oh they pretty but they not winning nutten. As they say "be careful what yuh wish for". Now these teams winning, through efficiency but the very little sparkle, every now and then we see a glimmer (Brazil second goals versus NI).
Me I love football that have imagination and flair, Brazil 82 still dear to me. Now almost all teams look like a combination of Italy & Germany (of the past). Spain carrying a torch. Lets hope this WC  bring back some sparkle and fantasy to our hearts.

haha  ;D  yuh call meh out!!  :beermug: 

Seriously I agree Spain is a classy team which is full of quality, but as far as being pleasing on the eye I'm not that sold.  I think Xavi & Iniesta are more genius for Barca than they are for Spain.  I think they are a neat team that moves the ball alot and they keep it on the ground but their real strength is in the horses up top (Torres & Villa), not in their stylishness or creativity.  I admit that I haven't seen as much of the Del Bosque Era post Euro 2008.  Despite winning it, I don't think they were that exciting to watch in Euro 2008, and from what I saw in the Confed Cup last Summer I wasn't blown away as far as stylishness goes either.  They have a midfield that can possess the ball like no other, and they have 2 deadly forwards up front.  But Long spells of possession alone is not style to me.  Spain also has a tendency to play at one pace without varying the depth of passing...  To me Brazil is still less predictable and more dynamic, and they change the pace of the game from walking to sprinting in one move, they mix up the short passing with the long balls, the possesion with the individual flair and of course they implement the ridiculously quick counter attack (which is a skill in itself)....and even at their least creative Brazil still gets the spectators off their feet with more flicks, tricks, no-looks and step-overs than any other team in the game....

I compare Spain v USA and Brazil v USA in the confed cup last Summer, and under all the ole talk about Spain being the most creative team on the planet, when Spain was down a goal they were void of ideas, they never lifted the tempo, they came down the flanks in the same way over and over and over and over.... they were limited to mostly shots from outside the 18 and didn't stretch the U.S. backline much and ultimately never scored...as opposed to Brazil who opened the U.S. up left, right & center and ran them ragged in order to grab 3 goals back in the final.  I think the difference is the standard to which Brazil is held.  Modern day Brazil can be a frustrating team to watch especially when a game is cagey because they don't have the creative midfielders who will get 20 touches on the ball and move it around like generals...but when the game opens up a bit, they will slice and dice a defense with more speed, skill and imagination than I've seen Spain do it so far. 

That said either team could light it up this Summer and win it all....
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« Reply #988 on: March 05, 2010, 01:32:36 PM »
I will never forget a conversation I was a part of with Carlos Alberto Pareirra the former Brazilian coach a few years ago at a coaches convention. It forever changed my outlook on Brazilian football. We have a skewed view of football that entails possessing the ball and moving it around as the way to go. I was once on that train and use to be very frustrated watching some teams out possess Brazil even though they would still win the game. I remember asking him a question pertaining to this. To summarize his thoughts based on his philosophy of Brazilian football. The player on the ball should always be looking to score  If he can't score he must then find the next best person to score. As we continue to do this you all refer to it as ball possession. We view it as probing. Sometimes it may seem like we are literally putting a  team to sleep as we probe then we strike. When we strike it is because we finally found the opening to score. We are not concerned about a team out possession us."

At the end of the day all of us know you don't get style points in football. I understand that sometimes we all want to see ball circulation and 8,9 passes put together in the final third. The first goal against Ireland had 3-4 passes leading up to the goal. The 2nd goal had 6-7 passes leading up to the goal. There will never be another Brazilian 1982 team.Brazil football was forever changed with Pareirra leading up to the 1994 World Cup. Remember before he took over the beautiful game brought them no trophies in 5 world cups. From 1994 till 2006. How many have they won and how many finals have they played in. At the end of the day its all good. As long as they win this summer I good yes 8)
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Re: DUNGA finally closes door on ronaldinho?
« Reply #989 on: March 05, 2010, 02:22:47 PM »
There will never be another Brazilian 1982 team.

To the eternal detriment of the game.
Carlos "The Rolls Royce" Edwards

 

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