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Wha allyuh tink bout de new rules fuh offside etc?
« on: June 14, 2005, 04:00:48 PM »
Source:  www.soccernet.com

New offside rules debuts in Confed
 
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COLOGNE, Germany, June 14 (Reuters) - As well as being an important staging post on the road to next year's World Cup finals, the Confederations Cup, which starts on Wednesday, will use a new clarification of the offside law for the first time.
Changes to laws regarding unsporting behaviour and players' equipment will also be implemented following decisions by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), soccer's ultimate law-making body, in Cardiff in February.


Italian referee Roberto Rosetti and his linesmen will be the first to judge on the new interpretations of the law when they officiate the tournament's opening match between Argentina and Tunisia in Cologne on Wednesday.

Law changes usually come into force on July 1 in any calendar year but as this tournament provided a perfect opportunity to see them in operation it was decided to apply them two weeks earlier than usual.

The new wording, approved by the IFAB, clarifies three issues of the offside law where a player is actively in play -- whether he is interfering with play, interfering with an opponent or gaining an advantage by being in an offside position.

The new decisions are as follows:

1 - Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team mate.

2 - Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

3 - Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.

UNSPORTING CONDUCT

4 - Players will also be booked for unsporting conduct which deliberately wastes time, such as kicking the ball away after the referee has stopped the game for a freekick, or for delaying tactics when the ball has gone out of play for a corner or throw-in.

5 - Fernando Tresaco Gracia of FIFA's referee's committee said this week: 'We'll also be rigorous in enforcing the laws relating to players' equipment in this championship, and would remind players that it is strictly forbidden to enter the field of play wearing potentially dangerous items such as pendants, necklaces or rings.'

He said it was no longer permitted to cover those items with adhesive tape as this did not eliminate the risk of injury.


The other initiative taken at the International Board meeting related to the use of technology to decide whether the ball had crossed the line for a goal.

FIFA will experiment with this at the World Under-17 championship in Peru in September.


I a little confuse with #2 especially.  By readin dis rule I wonderin if yuh at a free kick and you standin up in front de wall obscurin de wall view or de keeper own and goal score as a result, is no goal now?

Need some clarification from de football expert dem.  I also thought #'s 1 & 4 were already infractions & bookable offences. 

Wit respeck to de new offside, I think it would cause more offside calls rather than less thereby reducing the number of scoring chances.  If yuh goin to say a man can be offside if de ball rebound to him off an oponent once dat player was in a offside position to begin with, what's the differencve between that and when yuh in a offside position and receive a throw in?  One is a offence and the other is not but both are fundamentally the same thing.
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Re: Wha allyuh tink bout de new rules fuh offside etc?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 05:52:11 AM »
I feel this was to ammend the last offside law where players were deliberately standing offside in situations such as free kicks and then waiting for rebounds. Or standing in the offside position, jumbiein the defenders and then running back onside.

Remember all the EPL managers were cussing in the earlies and had to rethink they free kicks

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Re: Wha allyuh tink bout de new rules fuh offside etc?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 10:19:55 AM »

It don't really look any different on paper.
Sound like they just trying to explain to the refs what supposed to be going on or what the intention of the changes were in the first place.

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Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 04:06:31 PM »
Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8234072/Ruud's-'offside'-goal-reveals-international-offside-chaos

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - When Ruud van Nistelrooy clipped the ball into Italy's net at the European Championship, he looked long and hard at the assistant referee, waiting for him to flag for offside.

The Netherlands striker knew only too well he was in an offside position. Most other players on the field, commentators and millions of spectators around the world were also convinced he was offside and the 26th-minute goal should not have stood.

But Swedish referee Peter Frojdfeldt and his linesman knew better - or did they?

The assistant referee ruled that Italy defender Christian Panucci, lying injured two meters (yards) behind the goal line after colliding with his own goalkeeper, was involved in play and that therefore Van Nistelrooy was not offside.

The Laws of Association Football produced by FIFA make no reference to such incidents. The closest they come is to say that a player should be shown a yellow card if he deliberately steps off the field of play in an effort to put a player in an offside position.

However, the United States Soccer Federation's version of the laws of the game includes a clear reference to the type of event that saw Van Nistelrooy's goal approved.

"A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touchline or goal line closest to his or her off-field position," the USSF rules state.

Under this regulation, Van Nistelrooy's goal counted as Panucci is viewed as being part of the action. The problem is the game took place in Switzerland, not in the United States.

Under FIFA regulations, the issue is simply not covered. Traditionally, an assistant referee will flag when an attacker is closer to the goal than the ball and the second-to-last defender. Maybe Frojdfeldt was following the "American" regulations?

English Premier League Referees chief executive Keith Hackett joined in the defense of the decision.

"I have listened to the commentators criticizing the first Holland goal stating that Van Nistelrooy was offside," Hackett said. "Panucci went off through contact with his own goalkeeper Buffon and so he is still considered part of the game. TV criticized the decision but the fact is the assistant referee was correct because the defender who slid off the field is still regarded as active."

UEFA general secretary David Taylor also joined the support.

"The goal was not offside because in addition to the Italian goalkeeper there was another Italian player in front of the goal scorer. And even though that player at the time had actually fallen off the pitch, his position was still relevant for the purposes of the offside law," Taylor said.

The trouble is, law 11 does not mention this, either in the Laws of Association Football or in the Advice for Referees section designed to give further information.

"This is a widely known interpretation of the offside law among referees, but it's not generally known among the wider football public," said Taylor, adding that the law has to be applied this way so teams don't deliberately leave the field to catch opposing attackers offside.

"If you didn't have this interpretation then what could happen is the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside, and that clearly is unacceptable," he said. "The simplest, the most effective, the most practical interpretation of the law is the one that is adopted by referees."

Taylor said a similar incident occurred in a Swiss league match between Sion and FC Basel last season, causing the Swiss media to quickly realize that Monday's incident was a valid goal.

"This goal was controversial because most people are not aware of the law - and I would extend that to many people in the football world, including players - but there is no real debate here," Taylor said. "The goal was valid."

France coach Raymond Domenech poked fun at the decision, like Germany coach Joachim Loew, saying they were unaware of the rule and that it was a change in the laws.

"The offside rule has changed recently, a player off the field continues to cover his defense," Domenech said Wednesday. "We didn't know that and now we're happy to know that. I hope the fans don't have the same instructions, if a fan behind the goal covers the defense as well, then that's a bit worrying."

Referees around the world have stormed into specialist chatrooms to discuss the incident, but whether the agree or not, the goal will stand.
         

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Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 04:32:46 PM »
The Laws of Association Football produced by FIFA make no reference to such incidents. The closest they come is to say that a player should be shown a yellow card if he deliberately steps off the field of play in an effort to put a player in an offside position.


If a player should be show a yellow card for deliberately stepping off the field to put a player in an offside position. Then if a player is off the field by some means that is not viewed as deliberate, then him being off the field can result in a player now  being in an offside position. and since his stepping off the field was not deemed deliberate, the offside flag should be raised
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Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 05:09:59 PM »

If a player slide tackle and skate off the field...he still and active player.
He wasn't allowed to leave the field due to injury...the ref didn't recognize him as being "inactive"..he would deal with that when ball go out of play so until then u active.  Watch that greek player who was lying down by the goal when the swedes kick the ball in.  He was "injured" but still an active player.

Them italians look for that...who tell him fake..lol

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Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 06:34:28 PM »
So here is how the rule in my opinion should be interpreted and implemented


 :thumbsup: If the player who was behind the goal injured could have stepped back onto the field of play without the ref's consent then the goal should stand.

 :thumbsdown: If the player needed to get the ref's permission before returning to the game then it's offside.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2008, 06:37:16 PM by marcus »

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Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 11:00:49 PM »
Dey gettin on like is d 1st goal dat have some ? mark over it. If it was d only goal dat score then it woulda b an issue Italy get it live and direct time 2 move on
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Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2008, 12:40:05 AM »
So here is how the rule in my opinion should be interpreted and implemented


 :thumbsup: If the player who was behind the goal injured could have stepped back onto the field of play without the ref's consent then the goal should stand.

 :thumbsdown: If the player needed to get the ref's permission before returning to the game then it's offside.
I like that interpretation.
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