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Zealous advocacy for the status quo exercise of common sense noted ...  :devil:

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Zealous advocacy for the status quo exercise of common sense noted ...  :devil:

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Send yuh memo to Townley ...

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wey we $200,000,000 ??
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Why Tim Kee eh sue Warner for money which could easily pay de debt ...same khaki pants oui ! he was dere when all was taking place ...and said nothing ! Now he put on a coat of paint and parading like a new vessel ...kyah fool me...... run for treasurer in de PNM ...taking a page from his mentor ...go where de money is ...

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Why Tim Kee eh sue Warner for money which could easily pay de debt ...same khaki pants oui ! he was dere when all was taking place ...and said nothing ! Now he put on a coat of paint and parading like a new vessel ...kyah fool me...... run for treasurer in de PNM ...taking a page from his mentor ...go where de money is ...
and when he sue Warner, and Warner get vex and start to talk about all the "Brown Envelopes" his staff(call name, :whistling: ) hold..what happens then...as a poster used to say "common man". Doh expect ppl to cut dey own throat
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Why Tim Kee eh sue Warner for money which could easily pay de debt ...same khaki pants oui ! he was dere when all was taking place ...and said nothing ! Now he put on a coat of paint and parading like a new vessel ...kyah fool me...... run for treasurer in de PNM ...taking a page from his mentor ...go where de money is ...
and when he sue Warner, and Warner get vex and start to talk about all the "Brown Envelopes" his staff(call name, :whistling: ) hold..what happens then...as a poster used to say "common man". Do expect ppl to cut dey own throat

Dahis why the Japanese have hari kari ... better than having it slit by another?

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Was there a compromise? (players and ttfa not sparring forumites  :devil:)

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Why Tim Kee eh sue Warner for money which could easily pay de debt ...same khaki pants oui ! he was dere when all was taking place ...and said nothing ! Now he put on a coat of paint and parading like a new vessel ...kyah fool me...... run for treasurer in de PNM ...taking a page from his mentor ...go where de money is ...
and when he sue Warner, and Warner get vex and start to talk about all the "Brown Envelopes" his staff(call name, :whistling: ) hold..what happens then...as a poster used to say "common man". Do expect ppl to cut dey own throat

Dahis why the Japanese have hari kari ... better than having it slit by another?
The Japanese used to have a kinda wierd philosophy bout shame. Is Trini politicos we talk bout..shame not in dem vocab.

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World Cup bonus for Spain players sparks anger among lawmakers



Spain players will each get a World Cup bonus of 720,000 euros ($980,000) if they win the tournament in Brazil, sparking anger among lawmakers.
Captain Iker Casillas and vice-captain Xavi Hernandez signed the deal with Spain's football federation June 3 on behalf of the 23 players. It was an increase from the 600,000 euros each player received when Spain won the 2010 tournament.
Lawmakers Pablo Martin Pere and Susana Ros of the opposition Socialist party criticized the premium as ''disproportionate'' and ''an insult to citizens'' given the recent economic crisis.

Lawmaker Josep Antoni Duran i Lleida tweeted that Spain would pay ''more than twice'' the bonus Germany would if it wins the tournament.
''Are we twice as rich as Germany?'' his tweet said.
Germany's team will receive 300,000 euros if they win, having kept the same agreement they struck when they participated in Euro 2012.
Spain's economy began to crumble in 2008 with the collapse of its bloated real-estate sector, and unemployment soared to 26.1 percent at the close of 2013.


Like other countries that have the euro as their currency - such as Ireland, Portugal or Greece - Spain suffered as the government imposed harsh austerity measures in order to get its public finances into shape.
Despite stinging cutbacks, unemployment will remain above 20 percent until 2017.
Lawmaker Laia Ortiz said she would raise the matter of the squad's premium in parliament and lambasted football for being ''another world'' where ''there is no crisis.''

Each member will receive a payment of 360,000 euros if the squad reaches the final, and 180,000 euros if it makes the semifinals.
Spain attacking midfielder Juan Mata said such payments were ''sometimes used against us,'' but that he would be playing ''with the same enthusiasm I had as a child, in a bid to try and win another World Cup, without thinking about all the rest.''
The 2014 World Cup winner will be awarded $35 million by FIFA, soccer's governing body, but many say the money should go toward programs that promote the game at all levels.
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The position taken by those in opposition to the dimension of the bonuses is reminiscent of the exchange Trini and I had regarding Queiroz's compensation within recent days. Football success brings joy to a nation, but it does not erase suffering. For some joyous days every four years, in June and July, it merely eases and distracts from the pain.

This is a very serious issue that's somewhat at the heart of the social unrest in Brazil. Recently, Zico said that football had to renegotiate its social contract with the public, and that the public had to make compromises as well.

Aside from the distortion on football as a premium, there's also the question of where the prize money should be invested. When a nation triumphs, that nation can make the case that it has done something correct in its development model, but is that really the case comprehensively top to bottom? Or, has the nation just been picking winners?
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A month has passed and I assume they got their money?


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this bull still dragging on???

schupsss.... pay these men their money and done with all this nonsense so we can focus on making russia 2018... that is the most imporatant thing right now...

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Soca warriors to be paid
« Reply #732 on: July 07, 2014, 11:39:05 AM »
Rumour has it that the Government is set to pay the Soca Warriors the outstanding amounts due to them. Is that the statement the Prime Minister is set to make later today?. Hmmmm!!!!!

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Re: Soca warriors to be paid
« Reply #733 on: July 07, 2014, 12:12:36 PM »
Yes the players at the Diplomatic Centre as I type.
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Re: Soca warriors to be paid
« Reply #734 on: July 07, 2014, 12:15:27 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Soca warriors to be paid
« Reply #735 on: July 07, 2014, 12:20:26 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Kams lookin 4 brownie points any which way she can get it.
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Re: Soca Warriors, TTFF to face T&T Courts
« Reply #736 on: July 07, 2014, 01:48:08 PM »
Yes they get paid Kams after all is the socawarriors money was used by Jack 2 finance all yuh campaign.
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Re: Soca Warriors, TTFF to face T&T Courts
« Reply #737 on: July 07, 2014, 03:18:12 PM »
If the government didn't pay it,yall would cuss them,they are now set to pay it,allyuh put a cynical spin on it,I'm not surprised,but at least Sancho was very thankful to the Lady.Whether the "brownie points"does her any good,she has settled an 8 year old problem that had nothing to do with the UNC.

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Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #738 on: July 07, 2014, 03:20:30 PM »
PM resolves World Cup bonus dispute independent of the TTFA
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


The 2006 World Cup bonus dispute was finally settled today, eight years after the fact, by Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

This afternoon, in a press conference at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann’s, Persad-Bissessar stole a march on Sport Minister Anil Roberts, National Security Minister Gary Griffith and Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and general secretary Sheldon Phillips by taking ownership of the country’s most vexatious sport case, which gained worldwide attention.

In 2006, former FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) special advisor Jack Warner, who is also a former Minister of Works and National Security in Persad-Bissessar’s Cabinet, negotiated a bonus agreement with the country’s World Cup players that was never honoured.

Warner’s refusal to hand over accounting documents to the football body or the High Court meant that, even today, no one knows the true figure generated by the country’s historic appearance at the Germany World Cup.

However, the 13 “Soca Warriors” who took the TTFA to court agreed to settle for US$3 million and, today, Persad-Bissessar instructed Finance Minister Larry Howai to pay the outstanding US$1.3 million (TT$8.3 million) to the players.

“It was a moment that unified us like never before,” said Persad-Bissessar, about the players’ World Cup debut. “They healed every national wounds, bridged every divide…”

World Cup 2006 players Brent Sancho, Stern John, Aurtis Whitley, Cornell Glen, Cyd Gray, David Atiba Charles and Anthony Wolfe attended the press conference and Sancho thanked the Prime Minister and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan for their assistance.

“On behalf of those of us who have been fighting a long, tough legal battle to get our just due payment for our efforts at the FIFA World Cup, Germany 2006,” said Sancho, “this moment means more than any of us can describe.”

Persad-Bissessar left the press conference to head straight for the Piarco International Airport and a flight to Brazil for the World Cup. She told reporters that her trip was a private affair and will not be paid for by taxpayers.

“I leave later this afternoon on a private visit to Brazil with my grandson,” she told the Trinidad Express. “I want to assure you that not one cent of Government’s money is being used for this private visit.”

There was no suggestion that Sport Minister Anil Roberts or the present Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) played any direct role in the settlement.

Insiders suggested it might not be coincidental that the Prime Minister’s sudden concern for the players follows close on the heels of a series of damaging exposés in the Trinidad Express about the controversial Life Sport programme, which is linked to death threats for Ministry of Sport permanent secretary Ashwin Creed and Life Sport director Ruth Marchan and at least one murder.

Two years ago, former Trinidad and Tobago goalkeeper Kelvin Jack, in a Wired868 column, accused the Prime Minister of twice ignoring letters for assistance in resolving the matter.

“Twelve other 2006 World Cup players and myself are lost for words and disenchanted with the Honourable Prime Minister’s silence,” stated Jack. “I understand that the Prime Minister is a very busy person but, in my opinion, she has no excuse for not acknowledging receipt of our correspondence.

“It is disrespectful, not only to my teammates and I, but also to the citizens of my homeland since taxpayers directly contributed at least $80 million of the TTFF’s 2006 World Cup revenue.

“I am presuming—although I still hope I’m wrong—that the Prime Minister isn’t bothered if a member of her government, Works Minister Jack Warner, is yet to account for over $200 million that my team mates, myself and our beloved fans helped generate when we qualified for the 2006 World Cup.”

Even after Warner’s disgraceful fall from office in 2013, Persad-Bissessar and her government showed no public interest in the players’ case.

The players, who were awarded the Chaconia Gold medal winners after Trinidad and Tobago became the smallest nation to qualify for a senior FIFA World Cup, responded by turning up the pressure on the TTFA.

Tim Kee, who was a vice-president throughout the scandal, replaced Oliver Camps at the helm of the TTFA in late 2012. And he, along with Phillips and Jeffrey Webb, Warner’s successor as CONCACAF president, convinced the players that were keen to settle with an opening payment on 20 May 2013.

But the good rapport did not last as the TTFA never completed its second court-ordered payment in September and the Warriors vowed to resume legal action.

Tim Kee, who is also the Port of Spain mayor, responded by threatening to deny the players their due by starting a fresh organisation; while a Phillips press release said the football body would “continue uninterrupted” despite impending legal action from the Warriors.

The TTFA had already showed no inclination to follow the instructions of the High Court and sue Warner, the former TTFA special advisor, for allegedly misappropriating football money. The football body suggested, via press release, that the matter was statute barred although Phillips later backed away from this position after the players’ British attorney Michael Townley rubbished the claim.

Behind the scenes, Phillips appealed first to the Sport Ministry and then the National Security Ministry to wipe out its estimated $28 million debt, which also includes outstanding payments to former national coach Russell Latapy and ex-technical director Anton Corneal.

Privately, he told the Warriors to expect Cabinet approval for their payment before Carnival 2014. But months passed without any inkling that Griffith would come to their rescue.

Instead, another party allegedly suggested to the Prime Minister, during the first round of the Brazil 2014 World Cup, that it would be a wonderful gesture if the Warriors were paid off before the completion of the tournament and while the nation was seduced by the power of football.

The figure, who is independent of the government and the TTFA but has a sport background, asked to remain anonymous.

Persad-Bissessar supposedly replied that she would give “active consideration” to the players’ settlement. The Attorney General is believed to have played an active role in resolving the matter.

“The Prime Minister is a football fan,” claimed the third-party. “All she needed was to be reminded that it was an unresolved issue… She thought it was a court matter and she could not intervene.”

The suggestion that the Prime Minister was unaware of the status of the bonus dispute flies in the face of widespread and readily available information on the matter; not to mention letters to her office from the players themselves.

However, two other persons close to the negotiations—including a 2006 World Cup player—confirmed that the final settlement with the government was instigated by a party independent of the TTFA.

Today, Persad-Bissessar confirmed that her government had decided to pay the players for their historic achievement.

“On behalf of the Soca Warriors Online members who stuck it out over the years enduring so many legal battles,” said Sancho, “may I take the time to express my gratitude to the Honourable Prime Minister and her government for this heart warming gesture.

“We recognize that the government has no legal obligation to assist us yet chose to do so through this gesture. All of Trinidad and Tobago can breathe a collective sigh of relief that a moment that brought us all so much happiness and pride is free of any grievance…

“We will all follow the events in Brazil this week with an unfettered spirit and only great memories of the time the Trinidad and Tobago anthem played on the football field in Germany.”

There is still no word, though, on if Warner will ever be asked to account for the missing millions that taxpayers will now foot.

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #739 on: July 07, 2014, 03:32:27 PM »
One hurdle crossed, now for the coaches to get paid....

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #740 on: July 07, 2014, 03:35:12 PM »
LOL... this bullshit.  Kamla get voted into office on the strength of money Jack thief from the TTFF... now she want to ride in like a knight on a white horse to act like she doing something noble.  GTFOH.  But happy the players will get the rest of they money now... tired hearing about this now.

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #741 on: July 07, 2014, 03:37:07 PM »
Evans Wise played 4 games for T&T and getting millions, I hope Silvio Spann gets his share.

Sancho needs to thank the SWO also, he forgetting.

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #742 on: July 07, 2014, 03:39:33 PM »
When is the next general election?

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #743 on: July 07, 2014, 04:02:47 PM »
Nice bit of PR.

So what happen to the money?
No questions?
JW get away?

It that easy to displace 80 million dollars and keep your job?

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Re: Overhead kick: How the PM resolved the 2006 W/Cup dispute
« Reply #744 on: July 07, 2014, 04:16:06 PM »
That is the multi million dollar question right there vb!

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Click the link: http://tunein.com/radio/The-Street-919-s88618/

Quite interesting!!

Jack Warner press release statement on the issue is also being debated.

Mods please merge with other related thread later as I want folks to tune into program!

Jack is pledging for Oliver Camps to get some money as well so that he doesn't lose his home.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 04:28:42 PM by Socapro »
De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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A caller on Street 91.9FM just referred to our Prime Minister as our Prime Monster!

Some of these callers real funny yes!  ;D
De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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Just happy this thing is finally over.

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In my view it is right for the PM to pay the 2006 Warriors at this point since it is part of their money that Jack Warner used to help fund the PP's 2010 election campaign.

In fact they should have paid the Soca Warriors since 2010 as soon as they came into power rather than waiting this long seeing that the Warriors money was used to help get them into power.

Why take this long to show your gratitude to the Soca Warriors when your other election sponsors didn't have to wait this long?
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De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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« Reply #749 on: July 07, 2014, 05:20:41 PM »
I just happy to be too rid of the issue.  Just saw a report on all the money they got.  Don't know if it is true because of the source but if it is they are kind of looking greedy.  They should have just gotten their participation bonuses and get medals from the government and hug. Lol.  Hope they can start fresh now and I hope the audit the ttfa before they could get more funding from the government. 

 

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