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Letter issued to minister of sports.
« on: May 20, 2008, 06:59:59 PM »
Letter issued to minister of sports.
Rental of the Hasley Crawford Stadium for T&T vs England.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Attached is a letter sent to Minister of Sport Gary Hunt on Tuesday May 20, 2008 in reference to the issue over the Rental of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the T&T vs England encounter. Ministry issues letter on May 15 insisting on new rental fees for the encounter... fees totally different to what have been the norm over past twenty years.

20th May 2008

The Minister of Sport
The Honourable Gary Hunt
Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs
Issa Nicholas Building
Corner Duke and Frederick Streets.
Port of Spain.

Dear Sir,


I act for and on behalf of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).

I am instructed that my client will be hosting the historic international friendly football game between Trinidad and Tobago and England on the 1st June 2008 which said game is scheduled to be played at the Hasley Crawford (HC) stadium in Port of Spain.

In contemplation of this game, my client approached the Ministry of Sport by letter dated 18th February 2008 requesting the use of the facility for the game and received a written response from Mr. Wilfred Stephen, Stadium Manager dated March 11th 2008 agreeing to the use of the facilities subject to the rescheduling of certain events carded for the same date.

The TTFF was also informed in the said letter that rental charges would be forwarded at a later date. Mr. Richard Groden, General Secretary of the TTFF and Mr. Stephen met on or about 15 March 2008 when it was agreed that the stadium was available for use by the TTFF and that the only issue to be agreed upon would be the rental cost. Mr. Stephen agreed that the terms of renting the stadium would be the same terms on which the TTFF had rented the stadium over the past 20 years for national and international games.     

Accordingly, and having received oral confirmation to that effect, and in reliance thereon,  Mr. Groden entered into an agreement for and on behalf of the TTFF with the English Football Association (FA) on the 17h March 2008 for the hosting and conduct of the game at the stadium.

The terms and conditions of the agreement dealt inter alia with the use of the stadium for the purposes of advertising, tickets and access. Pursuant to this agreement and with the knowledge and confirmation of Mr. Stephen, the TTFF hosted officials of the English FA at the HC stadium on or about 12th to 14th March 2008 and conducted an examination of the facility and reviewed the use of it insofar as advertising, seating and security were concerned. This demonstrated further ratification of the said agreement entered into between your Ministry and my client.

This game is not only historic, but indeed unprecedented since the hosting of England in Trinidad & Tobago places the country at a different level on the international footing in the sporting world. The TTFF which celebrates its 100th  year anniversary this year endured great efforts to secure England to play this game in Trinidad and Tobago and considers that their presence here would be a victory for all Trinbagonians. The TTFF has had a long and distinguished history in the promotion and hosting of the sport of football and the individual players. Indeed, the success of qualifying for the 2006 World Cup speaks volumes for the contribution the TTFF has made and continues to make to the sport of football in the country.

My client, in the spirit of this historic game, requested by letter dated April 12th 2008 that you consider a waiver of the fees agreed to in March for the use of the stadium but later withdrew the request by letter dated May 5th 2008 due to the lack of co-operation from you.

I am instructed that my client was shocked and astounded to receive from your Mr. Stephen a draft lease agreement on 15th May 2008 when Mr. Richard Groden attended a meeting which Mr. Stephen had requested. The said draft lease contains terms and conditions which were markedly different to those which were agreed to at the previous meetings and upon which my client placed heavy reliance and acted upon.

By letter dated 20th May 2008 my client wrote to you seeking an urgent determination of this matter.

I am instructed to request from you a declaration that the contract entered into on or about 15th  March 2008 and the oral representations made between the TTFF and yourself are binding and to renege therefrom would amount not only to a breach of contract but will have serious consequences of loss, embarrassment and liability to my client. My client agreed to use the facilities of the national stadium solely on the basis of the agreement entered into on or about the 15th day of March 2008. This eleventh hour draft lease which does not reflect the agreement between your ministry and our client, with less than 10 days before the scheduled game is not only disingenuous but will cause irreparable damage to reputation of the TTFF and subject each and every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago to shame and humiliation and will result in a breach of contract with the English FA and may result in a cancellation of the match.

The TTFF also on the basis of the said agreement advertised and sold tickets locally and internationally for the match which is to take place on 1st June 2008. Had the Ministry of Sport any objection to the hosting of the game at the stadium it should have taken all steps necessary to advise the TTFF and the public that tickets ought not to be sold.

I am further instructed to inform you that this international game is scheduled to be televised world wide thereby commanding great attention and respect for this country and the sport of football. As a consequence it is imperative that personal and political differences are buried at this crucial hour and the joint efforts of your Ministry and our client are mobilized in the national interest.

I am instructed to request that you respond to this letter by 9:00 a.m on Friday 23rd May 2008 and indicate whether you are prepared to honour the terms of the agreement of the 15th March 2008 upon which my client has relied and upon which the game depends, failing which my client will be left with no alternative but to institute legal proceedings against you for breach of contract and seek injunctive relief to restrain you from denying my client access to the use of the facilities as previously agreed.

I look forward to your urgent response in this matter and hope that good sense will prevail so that an amicable resolution can be reached in the national interest.

Yours faithfully
Om Lalla
cc.Mr. Jack Warner
Mr. Richard Groden

The Ministry's Press Release.

Ministry Insists on rental agreement with TTFF for use of Stadium.

A rental agreement is part of the standard procedure in place for the use of any of the Ministry sporting facilities. As such, a similar document has been prepared for the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) as a condition for the use of the Hasely Crawford Stadium. The TTFF proposes to host a friendly international at the Stadium on 1 June 2008 between Trinidad and Tobago and England.

Among the conditions contained in the agreement are:
-    A rental sum of TT$150,000 plus VAT or 10 % of the gross gate receipts, whichever sum is greater.
-    A refundable deposit of TT$45,000 towards damages.
-    Provision of advertising space, at a cost, within the television arc
-    Prohibition of alcohol and tobacco advertising

The agreement was prepared by the Ministry’s Legal Officer and is an attempt to professionalize the way the State-owned sport facilities do business with their clients. The Ministry is of the view that events of this level of international significance and magnitude must receive careful and detailed attention in order to ensure all liabilities are covered.

The Government of Trinidad and Tobago, through, the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, has pumped about TT$1.3 million into the upgrade and renovation of the playing surface, practice field and other amenities at the Stadium. Mr Wilfred Stevens, Manager of the Hasely Crawford Stadium confirms that the works are 90% complete and will be ready in time for the encounter billed as “A Score to Settle”.

Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs, Hon Gary Hunt confirms the agreement is “not too onerous” when compared to the costs associated with hosting such an event at a private facility. Minister Hunt adds that the contract agreement is keeping with the “new professional relationship” the Ministry wants to build with its stakeholders in sport.

Further, the Ministry has not received any indication from the TTFF that it is not in agreement with the proposed terms and conditions for the use of the Stadium.
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 07:03:23 PM »
20 yrs and dey want 2 pay d same fee come nah man. New sheriff in town
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 07:09:11 PM »
20 yrs and dey want 2 pay d same fee come nah man. New sheriff in town
well, lets hope that the Govt will now change the agreement to show cost changes due to annual inflation.
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 07:10:16 PM »
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 07:14:00 PM »
PUFF......

The smoke screen has started.....

TTFF was quick with this one.....

no time for the public to fuss about the arbitrator decision


ANY RESPONSE FROM TTFF  YET?

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »

Ministry Insists on rental agreement with TTFF for use of Stadium.

A rental agreement is part of the standard procedure in place for the use of any of the Ministry sporting facilities. As such, a similar document has been prepared for the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) as a condition for the use of the Hasely Crawford Stadium. The TTFF proposes to host a friendly international at the Stadium on 1 June 2008 between Trinidad and Tobago and England.

Among the conditions contained in the agreement are:
-    A rental sum of TT$150,000 plus VAT or 10 % of the gross gate receipts, whichever sum is greater.
-    A refundable deposit of TT$45,000 towards damages.
-    Provision of advertising space, at a cost, within the television arc
-    Prohibition of alcohol and tobacco advertising

The agreement was prepared by the Ministry’s Legal Officer and is an attempt to professionalize the way the State-owned sport facilities do business with their clients. The Ministry is of the view that events of this level of international significance and magnitude must receive careful and detailed attention in order to ensure all liabilities are covered.

The Government of Trinidad and Tobago, through, the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, has pumped about TT$1.3 million into the upgrade and renovation of the playing surface, practice field and other amenities at the Stadium. Mr Wilfred Stevens, Manager of the Hasely Crawford Stadium confirms that the works are 90% complete and will be ready in time for the encounter billed as “A Score to Settle”.

Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs, Hon Gary Hunt confirms the agreement is “not too onerous” when compared to the costs associated with hosting such an event at a private facility. Minister Hunt adds that the contract agreement is keeping with the “new professional relationship” the Ministry wants to build with its stakeholders in sport.

Further, the Ministry has not received any indication from the TTFF that it is not in agreement with the proposed terms and conditions for the use of the Stadium.

First of All... The pitch is nowhere near top quality....it is green but the corner areas are still sandy...the outskirts of the pitch are sandy...

Secondly,The training pitch was a jungle when i saw it last week...

and thirdly...Why point out you had to pump cash into renovation? That is allyuh f**king job! It's the Governments Stadium..Not the TTFF's  ...  They have to keep every aspect of the stadium up to pristine conditions for the benefit of our Nation in any sporting event hosted there...

f**k you Gary Hunt..f**k you politics... 

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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 07:42:44 PM »
Just an observation, but if the govt has been charging the same fee for 20 years, how the hell can the stadium be maintained satisfactorily?

Gary Hunt has come in and decided that sport should be run professionally. For 20 years TTFF have been increasing ticket prices, yet paying the same rent. Which means Jack makes the money while taxpayers subsidise TTFF.

I sense this is a move to antagonise Jack, but, lets face it, its about time he got his cumuppance. TTFF will still make money. Maybe, at last, Jack has found his nemesis?

Regardless of timing or the effects on the England match, you guys should see a new dawn on the horizon. Twice in two days Jack has got a bloodied nose.

The war is going nuclear!

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 07:47:42 PM »
Just an observation, but if the govt has been charging the same fee for 20 years, how the hell can the stadium be maintained satisfactorily?

Gary Hunt has come in and decided that sport should be run professionally. For 20 years TTFF have been increasing ticket prices, yet paying the same rent. Which means Jack makes the money while taxpayers subsidise TTFF.

I sense this is a move to antagonise Jack, but, lets face it, its about time he got his cumuppance. TTFF will still make money. Maybe, at last, Jack has found his nemesis?

Regardless of timing or the effects on the England match, you guys should see a new dawn on the horizon. Twice in two days Jack has got a bloodied nose.

The war is going nuclear!

Its understandable to raise the rental fee for upgrade work .... but you dont declare that after there was an agreement on the usual rental fee....Especialy 10 days before the Game...  he could have done it in March or April to allow the TTFF to switch it to the QPCC if it couldnt be settled...but now Hunt and co are risking the game being cancelled...

I fully support TTFF on this...It was very amateur of the Gov't ...On March 15th they should have set the lease fee to what they want it as...but instead they f**ked themselves over and are now making themselves look like c**ts..which they are 

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2008, 07:55:43 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.
         

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2008, 07:57:30 PM »

Its understandable to raise the rental fee for upgrade work .... but you dont declare that after there was an agreement on the usual rental fee....Especialy 10 days before the Game...  he could have done it in March or April to allow the TTFF to switch it to the QPCC if it couldnt be settled...but now Hunt and co are risking the game being cancelled...

I fully support TTFF on this...It was very amateur of the Gov't ...On March 15th they should have set the lease fee to what they want it as...but instead they f**ked themselves over and are now making themselves look like c**ts..which they are 

You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.

How do you know that there was an agreement in place before...because the TTFF says so?  GTFOHWTBS

As of March 15th there was no idea as to the exact costs for upgrading the facilities to facilitate the type of crowd (for one) this match would draw, as well as to put in place the proper security and other acommodations (media, Television) etc.  It is entirely understandable if this is the only time that costs could be put forward.

It is also very telling that you put greater priority on this game than on the people of TnT getting their just due from the TTFF.

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2008, 07:58:42 PM »
But its still the same fee...10% of gate receipts. Even Jack has agreed that. Its the advertising that has changed.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 08:00:00 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.

No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 08:03:25 PM »

Its understandable to raise the rental fee for upgrade work .... but you dont declare that after there was an agreement on the usual rental fee....Especialy 10 days before the Game...  he could have done it in March or April to allow the TTFF to switch it to the QPCC if it couldnt be settled...but now Hunt and co are risking the game being cancelled...

I fully support TTFF on this...It was very amateur of the Gov't ...On March 15th they should have set the lease fee to what they want it as...but instead they f**ked themselves over and are now making themselves look like c**ts..which they are 

You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.

How do you know that there was an agreement in place before...because the TTFF says so?  GTFOHWTBS

As of March 15th there was no idea as to the exact costs for upgrading the facilities to facilitate the type of crowd (for one) this match would draw, as well as to put in place the proper security and other acommodations (media, Television) etc.  It is entirely understandable if this is the only time that costs could be put forward.

It is also very telling that you put greater priority on this game than on the people of TnT getting their just due from the TTFF.

you have some good points...but The Stadium Manager should have the qualifications to include all these costs ... He offered the initial rental fee on a Verbal Contract and it was agreed mutually...He and the ministry should have a rental fee in place for High magnitude fixtures

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 08:06:05 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.

No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

you lossing it or what youth?

         

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 08:07:40 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.

No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

you lossing it or what youth?



No...dont question my loyalty...Thats all... who the f**k are you...Bahrain was your first game? 

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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2008, 08:15:13 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.

No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

you lossing it or what youth?



No...dont question my loyalty...Thats all... who the f**k are you...Bahrain was your first game? 

steups..

you barely hitting 18 yrs old and asking me when was my first game?  :rotfl:

look lemme doh entertain immature youths yes..

and by de way, there's no need to try to descend this discussion in this manner..

in case yuh ent realize, yuh old enough to drive a car and vote, yuh need to start to grow the f**k up..
         

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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2008, 08:18:15 PM »
you have some good points...but The Stadium Manager should have the qualifications to include all these costs ... He offered the initial rental fee on a Verbal Contract and it was agreed mutually...He and the ministry should have a rental fee in place for High magnitude fixtures

The last time the HC saw a match of this magnitude it was 19 yrs ago.  

Hard to make a projection for a fee when you don't have a cost estimation basis in place for something of this magnitude.  Bear in mind the security measures dictated by the English FA as well as the upgrades to the pitch.  This is about more than just an issue of accommodating a sold out stadium.  Bear in mind also that the TTFF has been enjoying a sweetheart deal the past 20 yrs...it's about time they've been made to pay their proper dues.

Lalla says at various points in his letter that the rental fees would be deferred until a later date in the future.  Lalla never tells us when the rental fee was agreed to...why is that?

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Mr. Richard Groden, General Secretary of the TTFF and Mr. Stephen met on or about 15 March 2008 when it was agreed that the stadium was available for use by the TTFF and that the only issue to be agreed upon would be the rental cost. Mr. Stephen agreed that the terms of renting the stadium would be the same terms on which the TTFF had rented the stadium over the past 20 years for national and international games.

As of March 15th the only outstanding item was the rental fee...yet in the very next sentence Lalla claims an agreement was reached enforcing the previous terms.  When did that take place?  How could such an agreement even be made when the cost analysis was yet to be completed?  Haven't we learned enough about the TTFF to not trust them as far as we could throw them?
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2008, 08:24:26 PM »
I feel qualifying going and move to the Oval now....at least until this is sorted out....if them even talking to each other seriously.

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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2008, 08:27:57 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.


No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

you lossing it or what youth?



No...dont question my loyalty...Thats all... who the f**k are you...Bahrain was your first game? 

steups..

you barely hitting 18 yrs old and asking me when was my first game?  :rotfl:

look lemme doh entertain immature youths yes..

and by de way, there's no need to try to descend this discussion in this manner..

in case yuh ent realize, yuh old enough to drive a car and vote, yuh need to start to grow the f**k up..


I'm being the immature one here  ::)   read the red bolded part... real mature

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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2008, 08:32:23 PM »
Small Mag nice try.. lol

you dont fully support TTFF on this..

look deeper..

You only fully supporting yuhself because yuh jumpy about anything threatening yuh beloved Hengland coming to play in Trinidad..

Right now yuh cyah see straight.


No c**t... If we were playing Jamaica i'll be the same way... Dont ever question my loyalty you f**king ass... I haven't missed a home game for 8 years and have been to the World Cup and Gold Cup ...

The point is that the Government acted in the 11th hour when they should have had this argument when the TTFF first approached

you lossing it or what youth?



No...dont question my loyalty...Thats all... who the f**k are you...Bahrain was your first game? 

steups..

you barely hitting 18 yrs old and asking me when was my first game?  :rotfl:

look lemme doh entertain immature youths yes..

and by de way, there's no need to try to descend this discussion in this manner..

in case yuh ent realize, yuh old enough to drive a car and vote, yuh need to start to grow the f**k up..


I'm being the immature one here  ::)   read the red bolded part... real mature


all i was suggesting is that your sentiments were being driven by yuh emotions..

whappen yuh ent like england?

did i say yuh ent like trinidad too?

how is that being immature?
         

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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2008, 08:38:27 PM »
Hard to make a projection for a fee when you don't have a cost estimation basis in place for something of this magnitude.  Bear in mind the security measures dictated by the English FA as well as the upgrades to the pitch.  


i certainly beg to disagree on this point...

any competent person be it Stadium Manager, Project Manager, Event Manager/Team would have taken all the necessary points into consideration and would have had an estimate of what the upgrade of facility as well as requirements for a game of this magnitude would cost.

As stated...this agreement was entered into since March 2008 - approximately 2 months ago...in true trini style...we come 10 days before game day to put a spoke in d wheel...

while i agree that ttff getting away with murder and that Ministry have every right to raise the rental fee especially after 20 years.... 10 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT?????????????....oh please people... where is your professionalism????
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2008, 08:54:37 PM »
Hard to make a projection for a fee when you don't have a cost estimation basis in place for something of this magnitude.  Bear in mind the security measures dictated by the English FA as well as the upgrades to the pitch.  


i certainly beg to disagree on this point...

any competent person be it Stadium Manager, Project Manager, Event Manager/Team would have taken all the necessary points into consideration and would have had an estimate of what the upgrade of facility as well as requirements for a game of this magnitude would cost.

As stated...this agreement was entered into since March 2008 - approximately 2 months ago...in true trini style...we come 10 days before game day to put a spoke in d wheel...

while i agree that ttff getting away with murder and that Ministry have every right to raise the rental fee especially after 20 years.... 10 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT?????????????....oh please people... where is your professionalism????
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My friend, I worked in Project Management for a number of years...up until last year.  It is nigh impossible to project costs unless you have some basis upon which to make your estimates.  The cost models the government has been using is woefully outdated...evidenced by the fact that they've been charging the TTFF the same bag of peanuts for renting the facility the past twenty years. 

How does this impeach their professionalism?  They released the estimates when the estimates became available (assuming that to be their argument).  There is little material change to the previous terms...same 10% of the gate receipts.  Are you really of the opinion that the simple issue of "provision of advertising space within the television arc" language is sufficient to constitute a material breach of the contract?

Gotta love my people yes... Jack throw up another smoke screen and have all ah allyuh ready to burn Gary Hunt in effigy.

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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2008, 09:02:11 PM »
Gotta love my people yes... Jack throw up another smoke screen and have all ah allyuh ready to burn Gary Hunt in effigy.
Effigy burning makes plenty smoke. Dat is de only thing it good for.

For sure this going to make more news than the tribunal ruling...
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2008, 09:21:36 PM »
Is just spin 4 oui not 2 focus on dem robbing d players is a bush organization that dey eh budget 4 cost adjustments spare me. Dey just lookin 4 sympathy but dey go get zero
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2008, 04:53:58 AM »
I agree with Bakes on this. In project mgmt you have to have a benchmark from which to operate. Not to mention any barely competent person in planning knows to have at least a 20% contingency figure when making their estimates. And I do not think that the Ministry's "new" agreement figures have crossed a 20% increase on the old agreement figures yet. Therefore the TTFF is talking ah pack ah ass!

Let me tell allyuh what this is. For YEARS Jackula & Co. has been putting out next to nothing to stage events in which they reap maximum profits. Not just from ticket receipts, that is chump change. But from TV rights, advertising contracts, sponsorship deals, etc.

It is no coincidence that this match has been staged at a point where the TTFF KNOWS it will have to pay out money to dem boys soon. This match is a way to make some quick funds to give out later.

Not to mention whenever yuh talking an England match yuh know yuh talking serious TV rights and advertising money. Any attempt to act as though the governement is being mean spirited and depriving the TTFF of making the money necessary to host this event is ah pack ah lies! The fact of the matter is in order to keep up with the TV rights and advertising agreements already done up with people like the BBC, Sky Sports, Adidas, etc. this match has to be held at the Stadium.

I find the timing of Minister Hart's announcement curious at best, but do not fault the actual agreement. For too long Jackula & Co. have been allowed to run rampant over TT football, running the ting like their own lil kingdom while living like pashas. Service Level Agreements and Facility Use Contracts involving deposits, percentage off receipts and fees paid based on the type of event being held is how its done in the modern world. It is time someone drag their backward ass into the 21st century! :devil:
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2008, 10:42:38 AM »
I agree with Bakes on this. In project mgmt you have to have a benchmark from which to operate. Not to mention any barely competent person in planning knows to have at least a 20% contingency figure when making their estimates. And I do not think that the Ministry's "new" agreement figures have crossed a 20% increase on the old agreement figures yet. Therefore the TTFF is talking ah pack ah ass!

Let me tell allyuh what this is. For YEARS Jackula & Co. has been putting out next to nothing to stage events in which they reap maximum profits. Not just from ticket receipts, that is chump change. But from TV rights, advertising contracts, sponsorship deals, etc.

It is no coincidence that this match has been staged at a point where the TTFF KNOWS it will have to pay out money to dem boys soon. This match is a way to make some quick funds to give out later.

Not to mention whenever yuh talking an England match yuh know yuh talking serious TV rights and advertising money. Any attempt to act as though the governement is being mean spirited and depriving the TTFF of making the money necessary to host this event is ah pack ah lies! The fact of the matter is in order to keep up with the TV rights and advertising agreements already done up with people like the BBC, Sky Sports, Adidas, etc. this match has to be held at the Stadium.

I find the timing of Minister Hart's announcement curious at best, but do not fault the actual agreement. For too long Jackula & Co. have been allowed to run rampant over TT football, running the ting like their own lil kingdom while living like pashas. Service Level Agreements and Facility Use Contracts involving deposits, percentage off receipts and fees paid based on the type of event being held is how its done in the modern world. It is time someone drag their backward ass into the 21st century! :devil:

Very good post...and not just because yuh say yuh agree with mih  :D

A lot of time when projecting costs the place to start is with a baseline estimate...and if it is a new project then the baseline has to be derived from industry estimates...since there is no "stadium leasing industry" per se in TnT...only the government does that...then the only estimates they had to go on was the old agreements in place the past 20 yrs.  Certainly it has come time for that to be thrashed and new pricing to be implemented.  Is the gov't playing hardball by delaying until now...maybe, obviously I'm on the outside speculating like everyone else.  As you said though, there's nothing necessarily wrong or unscrupulous about it either way you cut it.

All this talk about "game in jeopardy" is a set of nonsense for exactly the reasons you outlined, the gate receipts and other ancillary costs stipulated in the new proposed lease is chump change compared to the TV rights and ad receipts Jack will be pulling in.  They are just mad that they are being made to shave their profit margin a tad bit...given their usual practice of just paying a pittance.  I'm sure it further gets Jack goat that his chain is being yanked by the PNM government, and by a Sports Ministers whom Jack probably fancies as his new-found nemesis as well.  When it's all said and done the game will come to pass, this sturm und drang will die down and the accompanying lawsuit will peter out into some back page release about them wanting to put on a showcase event for the country and having done that they've now decided to put the issue behind them.

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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2008, 10:46:11 AM »
FA EXPECT FRIENDLY TO GO AHEAD
 
By Jim van Wijk, PA Sport
 
The Football Association "fully expect" England's friendly against Trinidad
and Tobago to go ahead next month, despite a dispute over use of the stadium on
the Caribbean island.
 The disagreements began yesterday when the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs
released a statement saying it had reached an agreement with the Trinidad and
Tobago Football Federation to charge rent of around #100,000 to use the Hasely
Crawford Stadium for the showpiece game on June 1.
 However, the federation responded angrily, insisting that figure did not match
the original agreement between the parties reached in March.
 The TTFF has now issued an ultimatum to the Minister of Sport and Youth
Affairs, Gary Hunt, demanding that his department honour the original agreement
or face legal action which could lead to the cancellation of the match in Port
of Spain.
 However, the English FA remain confident the fixture will be fulfilled as
planned.
 "We have not been made aware of any threat to the game and fully expect it to
go ahead as planned," a spokesman for the FA told PA Sport.
 "This is an internal issue which we are confident will be resolved soon."
 According to a report in the Trinidad Express newspaper, the federation's
attorney, Om Lalla, has written to the ministry demanding that they indicate
whether they are "prepared to honour the terms of the agreement of March 15,
2008", giving a deadline of Friday morning before he initiates legal
proceedings.
 Lalla warned that failure to honour the original agreement "will cause
irreparable damage to reputation of the TTFF and subject each and every citizen
of Trinidad and Tobago to shame and humiliation, and will result in a breach of
contract with the English FA and may result in a cancellation of the match".

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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2008, 10:48:45 AM »
lol tell d FA wait till friday before they say anything  :devil:
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2008, 11:48:49 AM »
Of course it goin through unless it was neva on in d 1st place
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Re: Letter issued to minister of sports.
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2008, 03:52:19 PM »
Trinidad stadium row threatens England friendly
By Linda Hutchinson-Jafar, Reuters


PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (Reuters) - England's friendly international with Trinidad and Tobago on June 1 risks being cancelled due to a domestic row over rental terms for the Hasely Crawford Stadium.

The Caribbean nation's football federation (TTFF) and Ministry of Sports are in dispute over advertising issues, rental fees and other elements of an agreement the TTFF said was changed last week by the ministry, which owns the ground.

On Wednesday, Jack Warner, a TTFF 'special advisor' and FIFA vice-president, said unless the terms were changed or an injunction against the sports minister was successful the England match would be cancelled.

"If the minister does not answer and withdraw this agreement, we have authorised (our attorney) to file an injunction to restrain the minister for imposing these conditions. If the injunction fails, the match fails, I refund people their money and apologise to the world.

"If the injunction wins, then the game is on. If the minister chooses to withdraw this today, then there is no injunction, the game is on, " Warner, who is also joint-leader of the country's opposition party, said on local radio.

A letter from the TTFF's attorney, published in local media on Wednesday, said the conditions demanded by the ministry "will result in a breach of contract with the English FA and may result in a cancellation of the match".

LATEST SPAT

The dispute is the latest in a series of spats involving the TTFF and comes after it was ordered this week by an arbitration panel in London to pay its 2006 World Cup squad extensive bonuses.

The players, who have been refusing to play for the national team due to the nearly two-year long dispute, were told by the panel they should receive half the country's participation money and commercial revenues and income from pre-tournament friendly matches.

The players' England-based attorney, Michael Townley, said on Wednesday he intended to file for an interim award of US$7 million to be split among his clients based on the "limited information made public by the TTFF".

It would mean each player would be entitled to about US$280,000 (142,000 pounds). The TTFF initially offered them US$910 each in October, 2006.

"At the moment, the players have not received a single cent and it is important to have some money flowing from this exercise," said Townley.

(Additional reporting by Lasana Liburd; editing by Simon Evans and Ken Ferris)


 

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