TT look gift horse in the mouth

[E-man]

TT look gift horse in the mouth
By PETER O’CONNOR (Trinidad Newsday)

Sunday, July 27 2008

EARLY in 2005, Jack Warner summoned the team known as LOC Journey to Germany to a meeting. However, the meeting had nothing to do with the organising of the qualifying matches for Germany, starting that Ash Wednesday and running through November.

Mr Warner informed the meeting that no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-17 championships scheduled for Peru later that year. Also, no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-20 Championships, and no Caribbean teams had qualified for several years. Caribbean teams would win the CFU legs of Youth qualifiers, and then perform poorly when they went out against the Central and North Americans.

The solution to this weakness, he suggested, lay in the staging of a “developmental” Caribbean Tournament, with players Under-15 playing the first year, and the same countries bringing their now U-16s to the second year.

This would give the Caribbean Countries a two-year competitive development programme before they faced the teams of Central and North America. Further, to show the teams the standard required, “guest teams” from North and Central America would be invited to participate. In the third year, the competition would revert to U-15s, and these boys would return as U-16s in the fourth year.

This year is the fourth year, and our U-15s of last year will be testing their Caribbean compatriots for places in the CONCACAF Qualifiers.

When might one expect some measure of success in a programme such as this? And how would one measure that success? Well, following the 2006 Tournament, with each team having two years of developmental competition, two Caribbean teams — Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago — competed against the best of CONCACAF and qualified for the FIFA U-17 Championships in South Korea. Might that be considered a measure of success?

Today, the CONCACAF Women’s Under-17 tournament concludes at the Marvin Lee Stadium. Three regional teams will qualify for the inaugural FIFA U-17 Championships for Women, being held in New Zealand in October. Trinidad and Tobago girls were eliminated in the first round, losing only to the impressive USA. Earlier this year our U-20 girls were eliminated in that tournament in Mexico — however, their performances showed an ongoing improvement over our earlier attempts to qualify.

As usual, USA, Canada and Mexico dominate the women’s football in all age categories. Do the Caribbean girls also need a development programme?

This week, starting on Thursday, and continuing until August 10, the fourth edition of the Caribbean Youth Cup takes place at venues throughout Trinidad and Tobago, for boys Under 17. Twenty one teams are participating, the top three going on to the CONCACAF U-17 Qualification. Most of the boys were here in 2007, as Under-15s, and should build upon that experience this year.

However, this year’s edition also includes the girls. Eight Caribbean teams, of girls Under 15, are here to test themselves and each other. They will be back here next year, as Under-16s hoping to build upon their experience and challenge the USA, Canada and Mexico for places in the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Championships.

There is a possibility that the 2010 FIFA Championships will be held in Trinidad and Tobago, but that is another story. This story is about 29 teams of young footballers from all over the Caribbean, playing a tournament in our country.

It is about people — children —from the English, Spanish, French, Dutch and American Caribbean, bringing their culture and their sporting talent to mix with each other here in our land. It is about 21 small hotels and guest houses accommodating over 700 young persons and their coaches, managers, chaperones etc.

Incidentally, the girls’ teams will not be in the same hotels as the boys.

Should we not be opening our country, our stadiums, and our hearts to all these young Caribbean people? Well, our hearts yes, our country hopefully, but all of our state-owned stadiums are closed to this wonderful opportunity.

So what do we tell all these fine young people, and their coaches, many of whom played here last year in our stadia across the country? Why are they now being asked to play on schools and other grounds across the country?

While these grounds do have good playing surfaces (the fields are better cared for than the government owned stadia), the changing and spectator facilities are in many cases, inadequate.

But the children — from Bermuda to Suriname — will not complain. They are here to prove themselves. Still, it is too sad that our government has closed all the stadia to them and to this development programme.

[SLIM]

TT look gift horse in the mouth
By PETER O’CONNOR (Trinidad Newsday)

Sunday, July 27 2008

EARLY in 2005, Jack Warner summoned the team known as LOC Journey to Germany to a meeting. However, the meeting had nothing to do with the organising of the qualifying matches for Germany, starting that Ash Wednesday and running through November.

Mr Warner informed the meeting that no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-17 championships scheduled for Peru later that year. Also, no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-20 Championships, and no Caribbean teams had qualified for several years. Caribbean teams would win the CFU legs of Youth qualifiers, and then perform poorly when they went out against the Central and North Americans.

The solution to this weakness, he suggested, lay in the staging of a “developmental” Caribbean Tournament, with players Under-15 playing the first year, and the same countries bringing their now U-16s to the second year.

This would give the Caribbean Countries a two-year competitive development programme before they faced the teams of Central and North America. Further, to show the teams the standard required, “guest teams” from North and Central America would be invited to participate. In the third year, the competition would revert to U-15s, and these boys would return as U-16s in the fourth year.

This year is the fourth year, and our U-15s of last year will be testing their Caribbean compatriots for places in the CONCACAF Qualifiers.

When might one expect some measure of success in a programme such as this? And how would one measure that success? Well, following the 2006 Tournament, with each team having two years of developmental competition, two Caribbean teams — Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago — competed against the best of CONCACAF and qualified for the FIFA U-17 Championships in South Korea. Might that be considered a measure of success?

Today, the CONCACAF Women’s Under-17 tournament concludes at the Marvin Lee Stadium. Three regional teams will qualify for the inaugural FIFA U-17 Championships for Women, being held in New Zealand in October. Trinidad and Tobago girls were eliminated in the first round, losing only to the impressive USA. Earlier this year our U-20 girls were eliminated in that tournament in Mexico — however, their performances showed an ongoing improvement over our earlier attempts to qualify.

As usual, USA, Canada and Mexico dominate the women’s football in all age categories. Do the Caribbean girls also need a development programme?

This week, starting on Thursday, and continuing until August 10, the fourth edition of the Caribbean Youth Cup takes place at venues throughout Trinidad and Tobago, for boys Under 17. Twenty one teams are participating, the top three going on to the CONCACAF U-17 Qualification. Most of the boys were here in 2007, as Under-15s, and should build upon that experience this year.

However, this year’s edition also includes the girls. Eight Caribbean teams, of girls Under 15, are here to test themselves and each other. They will be back here next year, as Under-16s hoping to build upon their experience and challenge the USA, Canada and Mexico for places in the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Championships.

There is a possibility that the 2010 FIFA Championships will be held in Trinidad and Tobago, but that is another story. This story is about 29 teams of young footballers from all over the Caribbean, playing a tournament in our country.

It is about people — children —from the English, Spanish, French, Dutch and American Caribbean, bringing their culture and their sporting talent to mix with each other here in our land. It is about 21 small hotels and guest houses accommodating over 700 young persons and their coaches, managers, chaperones etc.

Incidentally, the girls’ teams will not be in the same hotels as the boys.

Should we not be opening our country, our stadiums, and our hearts to all these young Caribbean people? Well, our hearts yes, our country hopefully, but all of our state-owned stadiums are closed to this wonderful opportunity.

So what do we tell all these fine young people, and their coaches, many of whom played here last year in our stadia across the country? Why are they now being asked to play on schools and other grounds across the country?

While these grounds do have good playing surfaces (the fields are better cared for than the government owned stadia), the changing and spectator facilities are in many cases, inadequate.

But the children — from Bermuda to Suriname — will not complain. They are here to prove themselves. Still, it is too sad that our government has closed all the stadia to them and to this development programme.

So E-Man, what all d JW bashers har to say about this?  Watch, they go ger eveyone else credit but JW, wait 4 dem to start posting.  If was something bad, well da is another story.

[redtrinigirl]

TT look gift horse in the mouth
By PETER O’CONNOR (Trinidad Newsday)

Sunday, July 27 2008

EARLY in 2005, Jack Warner summoned the team known as LOC Journey to Germany to a meeting. However, the meeting had nothing to do with the organising of the qualifying matches for Germany, starting that Ash Wednesday and running through November.

Mr Warner informed the meeting that no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-17 championships scheduled for Peru later that year. Also, no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-20 Championships, and no Caribbean teams had qualified for several years. Caribbean teams would win the CFU legs of Youth qualifiers, and then perform poorly when they went out against the Central and North Americans.

The solution to this weakness, he suggested, lay in the staging of a “developmental” Caribbean Tournament, with players Under-15 playing the first year, and the same countries bringing their now U-16s to the second year.

This would give the Caribbean Countries a two-year competitive development programme before they faced the teams of Central and North America. Further, to show the teams the standard required, “guest teams” from North and Central America would be invited to participate. In the third year, the competition would revert to U-15s, and these boys would return as U-16s in the fourth year.

This year is the fourth year, and our U-15s of last year will be testing their Caribbean compatriots for places in the CONCACAF Qualifiers.

When might one expect some measure of success in a programme such as this? And how would one measure that success? Well, following the 2006 Tournament, with each team having two years of developmental competition, two Caribbean teams — Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago — competed against the best of CONCACAF and qualified for the FIFA U-17 Championships in South Korea. Might that be considered a measure of success?

Today, the CONCACAF Women’s Under-17 tournament concludes at the Marvin Lee Stadium. Three regional teams will qualify for the inaugural FIFA U-17 Championships for Women, being held in New Zealand in October. Trinidad and Tobago girls were eliminated in the first round, losing only to the impressive USA. Earlier this year our U-20 girls were eliminated in that tournament in Mexico — however, their performances showed an ongoing improvement over our earlier attempts to qualify.

As usual, USA, Canada and Mexico dominate the women’s football in all age categories. Do the Caribbean girls also need a development programme?

This week, starting on Thursday, and continuing until August 10, the fourth edition of the Caribbean Youth Cup takes place at venues throughout Trinidad and Tobago, for boys Under 17. Twenty one teams are participating, the top three going on to the CONCACAF U-17 Qualification. Most of the boys were here in 2007, as Under-15s, and should build upon that experience this year.

However, this year’s edition also includes the girls. Eight Caribbean teams, of girls Under 15, are here to test themselves and each other. They will be back here next year, as Under-16s hoping to build upon their experience and challenge the USA, Canada and Mexico for places in the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Championships.

There is a possibility that the 2010 FIFA Championships will be held in Trinidad and Tobago, but that is another story. This story is about 29 teams of young footballers from all over the Caribbean, playing a tournament in our country.

It is about people — children —from the English, Spanish, French, Dutch and American Caribbean, bringing their culture and their sporting talent to mix with each other here in our land. It is about 21 small hotels and guest houses accommodating over 700 young persons and their coaches, managers, chaperones etc.

Incidentally, the girls’ teams will not be in the same hotels as the boys.

Should we not be opening our country, our stadiums, and our hearts to all these young Caribbean people? Well, our hearts yes, our country hopefully, but all of our state-owned stadiums are closed to this wonderful opportunity.

So what do we tell all these fine young people, and their coaches, many of whom played here last year in our stadia across the country? Why are they now being asked to play on schools and other grounds across the country?

While these grounds do have good playing surfaces (the fields are better cared for than the government owned stadia), the changing and spectator facilities are in many cases, inadequate.

But the children — from Bermuda to Suriname — will not complain. They are here to prove themselves. Still, it is too sad that our government has closed all the stadia to them and to this development programme.

I could be wrong, but isn't this JW's pal O'Connor? If that's the case, please fack off and go run for elections if yuh wanna get involved in political nonsense. Steups!

Pay de damn money for the rental of the stadium dat de gov't STILL PAYING BACK DE LOANS FOR, dat yuh pardna JW run bobol to get built, then come and talk bout youth development.

[SLIM]

TT look gift horse in the mouth
By PETER O’CONNOR (Trinidad Newsday)

Sunday, July 27 2008

EARLY in 2005, Jack Warner summoned the team known as LOC Journey to Germany to a meeting. However, the meeting had nothing to do with the organising of the qualifying matches for Germany, starting that Ash Wednesday and running through November.

Mr Warner informed the meeting that no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-17 championships scheduled for Peru later that year. Also, no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-20 Championships, and no Caribbean teams had qualified for several years. Caribbean teams would win the CFU legs of Youth qualifiers, and then perform poorly when they went out against the Central and North Americans.

The solution to this weakness, he suggested, lay in the staging of a “developmental” Caribbean Tournament, with players Under-15 playing the first year, and the same countries bringing their now U-16s to the second year.

This would give the Caribbean Countries a two-year competitive development programme before they faced the teams of Central and North America. Further, to show the teams the standard required, “guest teams” from North and Central America would be invited to participate. In the third year, the competition would revert to U-15s, and these boys would return as U-16s in the fourth year.

This year is the fourth year, and our U-15s of last year will be testing their Caribbean compatriots for places in the CONCACAF Qualifiers.

When might one expect some measure of success in a programme such as this? And how would one measure that success? Well, following the 2006 Tournament, with each team having two years of developmental competition, two Caribbean teams — Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago — competed against the best of CONCACAF and qualified for the FIFA U-17 Championships in South Korea. Might that be considered a measure of success?

Today, the CONCACAF Women’s Under-17 tournament concludes at the Marvin Lee Stadium. Three regional teams will qualify for the inaugural FIFA U-17 Championships for Women, being held in New Zealand in October. Trinidad and Tobago girls were eliminated in the first round, losing only to the impressive USA. Earlier this year our U-20 girls were eliminated in that tournament in Mexico — however, their performances showed an ongoing improvement over our earlier attempts to qualify.

As usual, USA, Canada and Mexico dominate the women’s football in all age categories. Do the Caribbean girls also need a development programme?

This week, starting on Thursday, and continuing until August 10, the fourth edition of the Caribbean Youth Cup takes place at venues throughout Trinidad and Tobago, for boys Under 17. Twenty one teams are participating, the top three going on to the CONCACAF U-17 Qualification. Most of the boys were here in 2007, as Under-15s, and should build upon that experience this year.

However, this year’s edition also includes the girls. Eight Caribbean teams, of girls Under 15, are here to test themselves and each other. They will be back here next year, as Under-16s hoping to build upon their experience and challenge the USA, Canada and Mexico for places in the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Championships.

There is a possibility that the 2010 FIFA Championships will be held in Trinidad and Tobago, but that is another story. This story is about 29 teams of young footballers from all over the Caribbean, playing a tournament in our country.

It is about people — children —from the English, Spanish, French, Dutch and American Caribbean, bringing their culture and their sporting talent to mix with each other here in our land. It is about 21 small hotels and guest houses accommodating over 700 young persons and their coaches, managers, chaperones etc.

Incidentally, the girls’ teams will not be in the same hotels as the boys.

Should we not be opening our country, our stadiums, and our hearts to all these young Caribbean people? Well, our hearts yes, our country hopefully, but all of our state-owned stadiums are closed to this wonderful opportunity.

So what do we tell all these fine young people, and their coaches, many of whom played here last year in our stadia across the country? Why are they now being asked to play on schools and other grounds across the country?

While these grounds do have good playing surfaces (the fields are better cared for than the government owned stadia), the changing and spectator facilities are in many cases, inadequate.

But the children — from Bermuda to Suriname — will not complain. They are here to prove themselves. Still, it is too sad that our government has closed all the stadia to them and to this development programme.

I could be wrong, but isn't this JW's pal O'Connor? If that's the case, please fack off and go run for elections if yuh wanna get involved in political nonsense. Steups!

Pay de damn money for the rental of the stadium dat de gov't STILL PAYING BACK DE LOANS FOR, dat yuh pardna JW run bobol to get built, then come and talk bout youth development.

U see, another cool-aid drinking JW basher looking for all kind of excuse.  But d excuses get better and better.  Now d writer of the article is JW pardner, so JW set up Oconnor to write dis article.  What next my friends?

[FF]

Slim wow... just wow

Peter O'Connor was TTFA president in de late 80's when Jack Warner was the secretary.

He is a known associate and backer of Warner for years. Where have you been?

And in de case of the stadiums... as has been posted multiple times:

The stadia have been rented for free or at a pittance for umpteen years. In an effort to bring some level of professionalism to the running of the stadia. A new contract was put forth... The new terms were not particular onerous nor outrageous.
In fact from some perspectives it hasn't really changed.

Jack Warner decide to pick up his ball and stomp off home.. He ent paying the gov't one cent. Well the TTFF is a private organization and that is within their rights....

but do not come now and blame de gov't because you don't want to pay de price..

the money is going to the running of the stadiums and the ppl of Trinidad. Not into the coffers of the TTFF who invariably declare a "loss" on every game regardless of the gates... ah wonder how come?
Especially since Jack does claim he pay for everything.. how come de TTF does declare a loss? If dey have no expenses thanks to Jack?

[SLIM]

Slim wow... just wow

Peter O'Connor was TTFA president in de late 80's when Jack Warner was the secretary.

He is a known associate and backer of Warner for years. Where have you been?

And in de case of the stadiums... as has been posted multiple times:

The stadia have been rented for free or at a pittance for umpteen years. In an effort to bring some level of professionalism to the running of the stadia. A new contract was put forth... The new terms were not particular onerous nor outrageous.
In fact from some perspectives it hasn't really changed.

Jack Warner decide to pick up his ball and stomp off home.. He ent paying the gov't one cent. Well the TTFF is a private organization and that is within their rights....

but do not come now and blame de gov't because you don't want to pay de price..

the money is going to the running of the stadiums and the ppl of Trinidad. Not into the coffers of the TTFF who invariably declare a "loss" on every game regardless of the gates... ah wonder how come?
Especially since Jack does claim he pay for everything.. how come de TTF does declare a loss? If dey have no expenses thanks to Jack?

 U C d madness.  Jack is UNC and the Gov't is PNM and u can c d reason the Govt acting d way d acting.  Wow FF........Just Wow.

[elan]

There is no progress by any of our youth team save the qualification of the U-17 boys to the WC.

No mention of the money TTFF (JW) in line to recieve for staging these tournament. JW don't want the Stadia cause the operating cost will be to much as gate reciept will be minimum. He can play for free on the small field with almost no expenditure and pocket the rest of the money.

[redtrinigirl]

TT look gift horse in the mouth
By PETER O’CONNOR (Trinidad Newsday)

Sunday, July 27 2008

EARLY in 2005, Jack Warner summoned the team known as LOC Journey to Germany to a meeting. However, the meeting had nothing to do with the organising of the qualifying matches for Germany, starting that Ash Wednesday and running through November.

Mr Warner informed the meeting that no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-17 championships scheduled for Peru later that year. Also, no Caribbean team had qualified for the FIFA U-20 Championships, and no Caribbean teams had qualified for several years. Caribbean teams would win the CFU legs of Youth qualifiers, and then perform poorly when they went out against the Central and North Americans.

The solution to this weakness, he suggested, lay in the staging of a “developmental” Caribbean Tournament, with players Under-15 playing the first year, and the same countries bringing their now U-16s to the second year.

This would give the Caribbean Countries a two-year competitive development programme before they faced the teams of Central and North America. Further, to show the teams the standard required, “guest teams” from North and Central America would be invited to participate. In the third year, the competition would revert to U-15s, and these boys would return as U-16s in the fourth year.

This year is the fourth year, and our U-15s of last year will be testing their Caribbean compatriots for places in the CONCACAF Qualifiers.

When might one expect some measure of success in a programme such as this? And how would one measure that success? Well, following the 2006 Tournament, with each team having two years of developmental competition, two Caribbean teams — Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago — competed against the best of CONCACAF and qualified for the FIFA U-17 Championships in South Korea. Might that be considered a measure of success?

Today, the CONCACAF Women’s Under-17 tournament concludes at the Marvin Lee Stadium. Three regional teams will qualify for the inaugural FIFA U-17 Championships for Women, being held in New Zealand in October. Trinidad and Tobago girls were eliminated in the first round, losing only to the impressive USA. Earlier this year our U-20 girls were eliminated in that tournament in Mexico — however, their performances showed an ongoing improvement over our earlier attempts to qualify.

As usual, USA, Canada and Mexico dominate the women’s football in all age categories. Do the Caribbean girls also need a development programme?

This week, starting on Thursday, and continuing until August 10, the fourth edition of the Caribbean Youth Cup takes place at venues throughout Trinidad and Tobago, for boys Under 17. Twenty one teams are participating, the top three going on to the CONCACAF U-17 Qualification. Most of the boys were here in 2007, as Under-15s, and should build upon that experience this year.

However, this year’s edition also includes the girls. Eight Caribbean teams, of girls Under 15, are here to test themselves and each other. They will be back here next year, as Under-16s hoping to build upon their experience and challenge the USA, Canada and Mexico for places in the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Championships.

There is a possibility that the 2010 FIFA Championships will be held in Trinidad and Tobago, but that is another story. This story is about 29 teams of young footballers from all over the Caribbean, playing a tournament in our country.

It is about people — children —from the English, Spanish, French, Dutch and American Caribbean, bringing their culture and their sporting talent to mix with each other here in our land. It is about 21 small hotels and guest houses accommodating over 700 young persons and their coaches, managers, chaperones etc.

Incidentally, the girls’ teams will not be in the same hotels as the boys.

Should we not be opening our country, our stadiums, and our hearts to all these young Caribbean people? Well, our hearts yes, our country hopefully, but all of our state-owned stadiums are closed to this wonderful opportunity.

So what do we tell all these fine young people, and their coaches, many of whom played here last year in our stadia across the country? Why are they now being asked to play on schools and other grounds across the country?

While these grounds do have good playing surfaces (the fields are better cared for than the government owned stadia), the changing and spectator facilities are in many cases, inadequate.

But the children — from Bermuda to Suriname — will not complain. They are here to prove themselves. Still, it is too sad that our government has closed all the stadia to them and to this development programme.

I could be wrong, but isn't this JW's pal O'Connor? If that's the case, please fack off and go run for elections if yuh wanna get involved in political nonsense. Steups!

Pay de damn money for the rental of the stadium dat de gov't STILL PAYING BACK DE LOANS FOR, dat yuh pardna JW run bobol to get built, then come and talk bout youth development.

U see, another cool-aid drinking JW basher looking for all kind of excuse.  But d excuses get better and better.  Now d writer of the article is JW pardner, so JW set up Oconnor to write dis article.  What next my friends?

Now I could be wrong, but the "cool-aid drinking" is in reference to poor ghetto blacks, which in turn suggests you are referencing people of limited intelligence and inability to understand. If that is the case you need to watch it. I am the last person you should be trying that insult on. I am not in England because I "married a passport" or won some dodgy green card lottery. As we say "check yuhself!"

Now, unless you want me to start a petition to get your ass banned from this site, I suggest you stick to the topics and stop trying to rouse up trouble for your own personal amusement. Better yet, go get a job or a hobby or a woman or even a man if that tickles your fancy, and stay off our site!

[kiffysmooth]

Now I could be wrong, but the "cool-aid drinking" is in reference to poor ghetto blacks, which in turn suggests you are referencing people of limited intelligence and inability to understand. If that is the case you need to watch it. I am the last person you should be trying that insult on. I am not in England because I "married a passport" or won some dodgy green card lottery. As we say "check yuhself!"

Now, unless you want me to start a petition to get your ass banned from this site, I suggest you stick to the topics and stop trying to rouse up trouble for your own personal amusement. Better yet, go get a job or a hobby or a woman or even a man if that tickles your fancy, and stay off our site!

    I second dah one Reds

[SLIM]

Now I could be wrong, but the "cool-aid drinking" is in reference to poor ghetto blacks, which in turn suggests you are referencing people of limited intelligence and inability to understand. If that is the case you need to watch it. I am the last person you should be trying that insult on. I am not in England because I "married a passport" or won some dodgy green card lottery. As we say "check yuhself!"

Now, unless you want me to start a petition to get your ass banned from this site, I suggest you stick to the topics and stop trying to rouse up trouble for your own personal amusement. Better yet, go get a job or a hobby or a woman or even a man if that tickles your fancy, and stay off our site!

    I second dah one Reds

Well, red trini girl, meh mudda always tell be 2 be nice 2 ladies so ah go be nice 2 u.   Although ah feel u is ah country bookie, ah coud start ah petition fuh u if u want to start one.  War u want meh 2 do?  put meh tail between meh leg because u talking about petition and then u tell me to stick 2 d topic but u making this type of statement.  Better yet, go get a job or a hobby or a woman or even a man if that tickles your fancy, and stay off our site! Buh as u say ah go stick 2 d topic and not get side track by u chopidness.

Now I could be wrong, but the "cool-aid drinking" is in reference to poor ghetto blacks, which in turn suggests you are referencing people of limited intelligence and inability to understand. U see more dottishniss.  U see red Trini, Ah from one of d poorest part of T&T (Laventee), although u do no way dat is but is up by way Desparadoes ban is.  Ah going off d topic now.  U ever been up there?  In laventee, we use to drink more than cool-aid, we drink mauby, sorrel, soursop etc.  So go back and more facts about my description and if the shoe fit to all the cool-aid drinking JW bashers so be it. Ler me know when u go start d petition.  U forget America is a free country or what? Just to help u a little, if u doh like meh post then just do read it and doh respond 2 me, then u in go have nutin 2 worry about.

I am not in England because I "married a passport" or won some dodgy green card lottery. As we say "check yuhself!"  I in understand da one nah.  U trying 2 insult meh day or what?  Girl, stick 2 d topic nah.  Ah not in England doh and ah was never in the green card lottery.  Red trini, ah feel u no me in no.

[trinikev]

Slim wow... just wow

Peter O'Connor was TTFA president in de late 80's when Jack Warner was the secretary.

He is a known associate and backer of Warner for years. Where have you been?

And in de case of the stadiums... as has been posted multiple times:

The stadia have been rented for free or at a pittance for umpteen years. In an effort to bring some level of professionalism to the running of the stadia. A new contract was put forth... The new terms were not particular onerous nor outrageous.
In fact from some perspectives it hasn't really changed.

Jack Warner decide to pick up his ball and stomp off home.. He ent paying the gov't one cent. Well the TTFF is a private organization and that is within their rights....

but do not come now and blame de gov't because you don't want to pay de price..

the money is going to the running of the stadiums and the ppl of Trinidad. Not into the coffers of the TTFF who invariably declare a "loss" on every game regardless of the gates... ah wonder how come?
Especially since Jack does claim he pay for everything.. how come de TTF does declare a loss? If dey have no expenses thanks to Jack?

 U C d madness.  Jack is UNC and the Gov't is PNM and u can c d reason the Govt acting d way d acting.  Wow FF........Just Wow.

Slim, u miss the point of this post. It doesn't seem like you know the history of the impasse between Gary Hunt and JW. FF's post mentioned nothing of UNC vs PNM, but u bring it into the discussion. And on top of that, u fail to acknowledge or address anything that FF said.

Did you know that the 10% of gate receipts which the gov't is charging for the use of the stadium is the same fee that has been charged for the past 20+ years?? The only figure that has been increased is the minimum payment, proportional to inflation and the maintenance costs of the stadium. Not outrageous in the least. And did you know that for the England game the Gov't waived the 10% fee, and accepted the minimum payment? It doesn't seem so, as you appear to be in the dark concerning the facts on this issue.

JW is simply refusing to adhere to anything which would lessen his profits, end of story.

[ttcom]

We need to rise above this nonsense.

[dinho]

RTG, i might be wrong, but i interpreted ''cool aid drinking' somewhere along the lines of haterade drinking or following mentality.. Not sure where in that you glean all the pure ghetto black implications etc..

for all the licks SLIM taking on this site, from what i've seen he just presenting his position pro Warner stance with the same baseless and unfounded manner as plenty people who present their con Warner stance here on a daily basis.  Most ah de blows he go take is because he sitting on the unpopular side of the fence..

What is extremely annoying is he refuses to acknowledge facts when presented before him.. But in some ways the people who hem and haw about Jack dis and Jack dat every day of the week regardless of what he did are just as annoying.

to suggest some kinda petition to ban de man just because you don't like what he have to say is uncalled for in my books..

Let the man say what he hadda say, and then beat him down with facts.. And if yuh eh like wha he have to say then ignore and move on.

[fishs]

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

[redtrinigirl]

RTG, i might be wrong, but i interpreted ''cool aid drinking' somewhere along the lines of haterade drinking or following mentality.. Not sure where in that you glean all the pure ghetto black implications etc..

for all the licks SLIM taking on this site, from what i've seen he just presenting his position pro Warner stance with the same baseless and unfounded manner as plenty people who present their con Warner stance here on a daily basis.  Most ah de blows he go take is because he sitting on the unpopular side of the fence..

What is extremely annoying is he refuses to acknowledge facts when presented before him.. But in some ways the people who hem and haw about Jack dis and Jack dat every day of the week regardless of what he did are just as annoying.

to suggest some kinda petition to ban de man just because you don't like what he have to say is uncalled for in my books..

Let the man say what he hadda say, and then beat him down with facts.. And if yuh eh like wha he have to say then ignore and move on.

I guess I've seen too many Chris Rock stand up comedy referencing cool-aid drinking in the ghetto 

But whatever, he is welcome to his opinion, even if he cleary doesn't know what he talking about sometimes. Cie la vie.

[elan]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

[WestCoast]

the drinking cool aid reference started with Jim Jones in Guyana
it means that some people are so gullible that they would drink arsenic laced cool aid because someone said to do so.

[redtrinigirl]

the drinking cool aid reference started with Jim Jones in Guyana
it means that some people are so gullible that they would drink arsenic laced cool aid because someone said to do so.

Thank you WC.

[fishs]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

[elan]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

All you saying is until better can be done, let the worst continue. Look them doing it so it okay if the others doing it to. That eh good enough. Better have to start somewhere.

"As the grass grow, the goats must starve" is what we experiencing right now.

[Touches]

Lemme help alyuh out on SLIM Kool Aid Drinking!!
We must all understand when posts are made so as not to infer nuttin 








1.    drink the kool-aid    
   
A reference to the 1978 cult mass-suicide in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones, the leader of the group, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown. Late in the year he then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide. In what is now commonly called "the Jonestown Massacre", 913 of the 1100 Jonestown residents drank the Kool-Aid and died.

One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, “Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.” This has come to mean, "Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." or "Whatever they tell you, don't believe it too strongly".

The phrase can also be used in the opposite sense to indicate that one has embraced a particular philosophy or perspective.
Alice: Hey, did you hear that Joe is working on the Nader campaign?
Bob: Yeah, he really drank the Kool-Aid on that one.

Chris: I'm thinking about attending a PETA rally
Donna: Whatever you do, don't drink the Kool-Aid!

2.    drink the kool-aid    

   
To completely buy into an idea or system, whether good or bad.
Coach Bellichick got his players to drink the kool-aid.

   
Going along with what a crowd desires. Often used when a person changes positions on a topic.
Dave got a haircut and a new suit. Looks like his company is making him drink the kool-aid

[fishs]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

All you saying is until better can be done, let the worst continue. Look them doing it so it okay if the others doing it to. That eh good enough. Better have to start somewhere.

"As the grass grow, the goats must starve" is what we experiencing right now.

So start by facking up the kids, you is ah real people person

[elan]

As much as JW is ^

[trinikev]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

All you saying is until better can be done, let the worst continue. Look them doing it so it okay if the others doing it to. That eh good enough. Better have to start somewhere.

"As the grass grow, the goats must starve" is what we experiencing right now.

So start by facking up the kids, you is ah real people person

Fishs i hear what yuh sayin, but this fee change was announced before the youth tourney was mentioned (as far as i know anyways). So it's not like they 'start' by messing up the kids......dat's just a side effect of the whole issue.

[fishs]

As much as JW is ^

It difficult to argue using this media , ah much rather we sit inna rum shop over some cold beers and discuss, but back away from JW's misdeeds for a minute and put yuhself in both a parent's shoes or a young boy or girl boots and think what it means for them to see their children or ifor the child to play in the national stadium?
Think about all the young friends they have and other pparents who come in support to see these kids playing in our "Big stadii", self estemm is transferable and a lot of our youths lack that.
I would concede to Jack if allowing these kids to play in ths stadii built by the people instills a higherr level of patriotism and national pride.
Compare that against playing a game on Fatima or Moruga Composite.
Hope a getting closer to making my point.

[fishs]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

All you saying is until better can be done, let the worst continue. Look them doing it so it okay if the others doing it to. That eh good enough. Better have to start somewhere.

"As the grass grow, the goats must starve" is what we experiencing right now.

So start by facking up the kids, you is ah real people person

Fishs i hear what yuh sayin, but this fee change was announced before the youth tourney was mentioned (as far as i know anyways). So it's not like they 'start' by messing up the kids......dat's just a side effect of the whole issue.

Simple, make a concession for the kids

[trinikev]

RTG hit the nail on the head, "cool aid drinking" is a slang term for black ghetto youths in the US. I have heard black kids say it to other black kids in arguiments with each other.

 I don't understand why people hatred of JW keeps clouding issues.
All the facilities and employees that are national are paid for by taxpayers, we the people need to look after our children, why must we have these kids playing what could be their first international tournament on school grounds ?
This is shyte.
The C**t and Co gone overboard with this thing.
Let the children play in the facilities.
Furthermore what kind of money this tourney will generate ?
Jack is a big big problem but the C**t really ent care about "black" children

We have to be stupid. We paying to take care of the stadia and JW reaping all the profits in the name of doing something good for "black" youths? You have to be joking. Is not $2 we paying for these facilities you know. The TTFF have to come better than that, Realise I mentio the TTFF, because JW is listed as the special advisor. We have not heard anything from the president, chairman, or treasure of the TTFF about the position what is happening and what measures they in the process of putting in place to remedy this situation.

What is the role of the special advisor? Why the TTFF silent?

If you go on a company/business trip, don't you have to provide all receipts on return? Can you just show up and say "eh ah come back, boy that trip was good?"

Big big companies in Point Lisas paying next to nothing for subsidiised water to the tune of millions every year, quarry concessions to chinese firms that will reap millions to them. Gas at preffered prices to multi nationals, Cepep millions to drug dealers and the list goes on..... why you don't do some comparisons about how the patrimony is wasted instead of making a case that have nothing to do with what I talking about.
Plain and simple if you had a child or in the future have a child talented enough to play national football I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.
Plain and simple let the children have the best , they deserve no less.

All you saying is until better can be done, let the worst continue. Look them doing it so it okay if the others doing it to. That eh good enough. Better have to start somewhere.

"As the grass grow, the goats must starve" is what we experiencing right now.

So start by facking up the kids, you is ah real people person

Fishs i hear what yuh sayin, but this fee change was announced before the youth tourney was mentioned (as far as i know anyways). So it's not like they 'start' by messing up the kids......dat's just a side effect of the whole issue.

Simple, make a concession for the kids

I think that a lil easier said than done, given that it is Jack we dealing with. I do agree that some sort of compromise should be reached, so that at least the youths don't suffer.

[FF]

Simple, make a concession for the kids

I thought de concession was that events would be graded and de minimum rental cost would be set accordingly. I don't believe they would be jooking out ppl eye for these youth games.. the england game price certainly was not ridiculous.

The TTFF have thrown their toys out the pram... Have they even approached stadium management about the games?
The TTFF has no sponsors to pay for stadium rental? Where is our Adidas sponsorship money... B-mobile etc etc..?

Jack knows there is no money to be made right now... so he can get away with holding these events in smaller stadia across de land...

let us see what happen for WCQ if and when de bandwaggon gets going..
If Jack can't hold the games in neutral territory or the Oval.. he will pay de money... but only if he could make it back...

mark my words

[Dutty]

Dis forum is de bestest oui, ah have tears in mih eye

Look Slimmy makin people go to WAR over kool-aid




slimmy..whey mih 9 teams yuh supposed to fact name fuh mih?   better yet whey diamondslim he abandon yuh?

[fatman]

While i admit Jack Warner has had achievements as an adminisrator, if he counts this as an achievement  I would be surprised, age group tournaments as developmental tools are not novel.  I have also heard Lincoln Phillips singing praises to Mr Warner for such policies which in my opinion have been neglected in the region he has led for so long.

Mr O Connor is intellectually dishonest his articles are not worth reading as he is selective in his criticism, he writes in a public forum and yet makes no attempt to avoid biased commentary.