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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 05:55:25 PM »
Swima, any thoughts on the Cullen Jones leg?

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 08:28:47 PM »
Swima, any thoughts on the Cullen Jones leg?

Solid swim for him, but he was better in the prelims. To put it in perspective, he was passed by Fred Bousquet who was at the time the fastest relay swimmer in history, until Leazak seemingly found Jesus in the very next leg. Cullen is a front half swimmer who would have done some damage if had qualified in the 50. He was a medallist in that event at worlds last year.

He was actually the second best American at US trials in the 50 with his time from the semis, but ended up third in the finals and out of the individual 50. Nevertheless, he is young and could be back in London as an individual performer.
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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 05:08:44 AM »
thorpe had real big feet too....very flipper like


allyuh notice phelps reaction when he wins gold now....its like, ok cool nice ,umm when is my next race?
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2008, 02:13:49 PM »
Olympic Inflation
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2008/08/13/olympic-inflation.aspx

Can we please stop fussing over every new Olympic record?

A new record means that an athlete using today's equipment outperformed an athlete using yesterday's equipment. It's not a fair fight.

In swimming alone, today's advantages include:

1. LZR Racer suit. It reduces friction (compared with skin) and is structurally designed to compress and streamline the body for maximum speed. Estimated drag reduction: 5 percent to 10 percent. Estimated average improvement in top swimmers' best times: 2 percent. Designed by NASA scientists and computers, among others. Cost: $500.

2. Pool depth. This is the deepest pool ever used in the Olympics. Depth disperses turbulence, reducing resistance.

3. Pool width and gutters. Two extra lanes at the margins disperse waves to gutters, reducing ricochet and resistance.

4. Lane dividers. The plastic ones in Beijing deflect turbulence down instead of sideways, reducing resistance.

5. Starting blocks. Nonskid versions have replaced the old wooden ones, boosting dive propulsion.

6. Video. Recordings and analysis identify target variables such as stroke distance and turns.

7. Medical tests. Swimmers are blood-tested after each race to measure lactic-acid buildup.

8. Sports scientists. They run the monitoring and analysis. The U.S. swim team has four.

And here's a partial list of advances in other sports:

1. Lighter shoes. The latest material is carbon nanotubes.

2. Asymmetric shoes. Stronger carbon base in the right shoe tilts you to the left to increase speed as you round the track. Left shoe is designed to stabilize you.

3. Ice vest. It lowers your temperature before the race so you can delay overheating for better performance.

4. Hypoxic tents. Sleeping in low-oxygen chambers increases red blood-cell levels.

5. Aluminum javelins. They reduce vibration compared with the old carbon ones.

6. Bicycle wheels. Front wheels with fewer spokes (eight instead of 32) reduce weight and air resistance. So do composite one-piece rear wheels. All frames are carbon.

Michael Phelps (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images) Michael Phelps' coach says the LZR suit is fair. "Everybody is in the suit so it's across the board," he argues. That may be true of today's top swimmers. But it's not true of yesterday's. So comparing today's performances to the performances of 20, eight, or even four years ago—which is what "new Olympic record" means—is generally unfair.

If you want to compare today's athletes to yesterday's, the ideal method would be an inflationary formula. We already calculate how much $1 in 1980 would be worth today, based on price increases. We ought to be able to devise a similar multiplier for each Olympic event, based on average year-to-year improvement among top athletes. Averaging would wash out idiosyncratic ups and downs. The effects of aging could be measured and factored out.

Olympic inflation indexing wouldn't devalue new records. It would isolate and elevate records that truly stand out. Scores of media reports have boasted that every team in this year's 4 x 100 men's swimming relay beat the time that won that event four years ago. But by inflationary standards, the British, who beat the 2004 winning time by three-tenths of a second in constant time, actually failed to keep pace with it. The Americans, who beat it by five seconds, produced a genuine achievement.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to watch the latest high-definition broadcast from Beijing on my 46-inch flat-screen TV. It beats the crap out of the 20-inch tube I was squinting at in 2004. But that doesn't make my eyesight any better.

Published Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:41 AM by William Saletan
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Re: phelps fuh real
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2008, 03:01:43 PM »
I was a lifeguard at a program at Hopkins in 1998 and I see him swim dey for the "summer program" Should have gotten his darn autograph back den....

B'more baby....! Go Michael opps I mean Bovel!

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2008, 05:29:28 PM »
Who is Bovel!
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2008, 06:46:55 PM »
If he was from China, they would accuse him of doping....
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2008, 09:40:34 PM »
Corrreck kicker now dey sayin d chiney gyul 2 young
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2008, 10:35:04 PM »
If he was from China, they would accuse him of doping....

Hardly... charges of doping in swimming are rare enough as it is.  Having as much info out there on Phelps... his training routine, dietary practices, unusual physique... added to the fact that (like Tyson Gay among others) he has volunteered for additional testing.. all of it conspires to mitigate against the doping accusations.

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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2008, 10:00:02 PM »
OK 8 is enough good nite Mr. Phelps
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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2008, 12:32:52 PM »
Swima, any thoughts on the Cullen Jones leg?

Solid swim for him, but he was better in the prelims. To put it in perspective, he was passed by Fred Bousquet who was at the time the fastest relay swimmer in history, until Leazak seemingly found Jesus in the very next leg. Cullen is a front half swimmer who would have done some damage if had qualified in the 50. He was a medallist in that event at worlds last year.

He was actually the second best American at US trials in the 50 with his time from the semis, but ended up third in the finals and out of the individual 50. Nevertheless, he is young and could be back in London as an individual performer.

Good insight. Thx.

I gather he would have felt personally responsible if that gold had been silver. I also sense he could have been a scapegoat but for the result.  I think his absence from the frame with his teammates (when he was watching the final leg from the other side of the pool) added a lil to the scene ... anyway, all's well that ends well ... swimming is the winner.

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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2008, 12:09:35 PM »
Untouchable
Did Michael Phelps get a gold medal for a race he lost?


By William Saletan
Posted Monday, Aug. 25, 2008, at 8:19 AM ET

Did Michael Phelps really earn eight gold medals in the 2008 Olympics?

In his next-to-last medal race, the 100-meter butterfly, Phelps trailed Milorad Cavic all the way to the wall. Nobody who saw the race in real time, including Phelps' mother, thought he had won. Yet the scoreboard showed him beating Cavic by one-hundredth of a second.

"The scoreboard said I got my hand on the wall first," Phelps declared afterward. The Boston Globe, like other American newspapers, agreed: "Phelps got his hand on the wall first." Cornel Marculescu, head of the world swimming federation, FINA, confirmed the verdict: "There is no doubt the first arrival was Michael Phelps." The race referee added: "There are no doubts. It was very clear that [Cavic] touched second."

Sorry, but none of these assurances holds water. The scoreboard doesn't tell you which swimmer arrived, touched, or got his hand on the wall first. It tells you which swimmer, in the milliseconds after touching the wall, applied enough force to trigger an electronic touch pad. As to whether Phelps touched first, there's plenty of unresolved doubt.

The human eye, in real time and basic video replay, suggests Cavic won. But that could be an optical illusion. Cavic takes one big stroke toward the wall, then glides to it with fingers extended. Phelps does the opposite: He shortens his stroke so he can squeeze in one more truncated stroke. He gambles that the speed he gets from the extra launch will make up for the additional time it requires. Cavic leads but closes the distance to the wall slowly; Phelps trails but closes the distance fast. In ultraslow-motion replays, it looks as though Cavic has reached the wall while Phelps is still closing. But these replays break down Cavic's glide to such short increments that you can't really tell whether he has stopped.

Marculescu says there's ''absolutely no doubt'' who won, because the clock registered Phelps' arrival first, and "the touch stops the clock.'' Not true. A touch doesn't stop the clock. The touch pad is designed to require a certain degree of force, because otherwise, slight pressure from the water would trigger it. "You can't just put your fingertips on the pad, you really have to push it," the race timekeeper explains. A FINA vice president says the crucial moment is "the instant of depression, of activation of the touch pad, not contact with the pad."

On Saturday, a week after the race, FINA tried to squelch the controversy by releasing four pairs of digital frames that track the two swimmers side by side as they reach the wall. "In the third set of images, with Phelps on the left, it is clear he is really pushing hard, while Cavic, on the right, is just arriving," the timekeeper told the Associated Press.

Again, not true. In the pictures, Cavic appears to have arrived by the second frame, if not the first—at a minimum, tying Phelps. (See for yourself.) And Phelps is moving so much faster and more forcefully that you have to wonder: Given the delay between contact and pressure, if the touch pad recorded Phelps' pressure only one-hundredth of a second before Cavic's, how likely is it that Cavic made initial contact before Phelps did?

Technically, the question of who touched first doesn't matter. FINA and the Olympics honchos agreed beforehand to use the touch pads; the touch pads require pressure; all swimmers and their coaches should know this. But that technical argument leaves two ugly, unresolved problems. One is that FINA, the timekeeper, the referee, and the media keep telling us, falsely, that Phelps "touched," "arrived," and "got his hand on the wall" first. "In our sport, it's who touches first," Marculescu told the AP on Saturday. Bull. It's not who touches first. It's who triggers the sensor first.

The other problem is that even FINA isn't sure how much pressure the touch pads require. On Saturday, Marculescu told the New York Times that the threshold was 3 kilograms per square centimeter. But in the same article, a FINA vice president said the threshold was 1.5 kilograms. If FINA's executives don't know the correct number, is it reasonable to expect Cavic to know it? And if he had realized how much pressure was required, would he have shortened his stroke as Phelps did, trying to trigger the sensor first, instead of trying to touch the wall first?

I'm not saying the touch-pad system is fishy. It beats the heck out of the old stopwatch method, not to mention the mysteries of judging gymnastics. It's the fairest, most precise system around. And that's the point: Even the most precise system leaves a gray area. In this case, it's the area between touching and pressing. Did Phelps beat Cavic to the wall? We'll never know.
William Saletan is Slate's national correspondent and author of Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War.

Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2198502/
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2008, 02:04:48 PM »
^^^^^ shit article.


The underwater phot was shot by a Sports Illustrated photographer and in this week's edition the photo was shown.  You can clearly see where Phelps has already touched the wall while Cavic is a mere centimeters behind.

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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2008, 03:08:29 PM »
Everybody has to put their 2 cents worth. But, FINA will have to do some reviews of the touchpad and  underwater cameras.

 

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