Author Topic: It now making sense...I figure out why Lawrence was dropped. (Read 7291 times)

100% Barataria · « **Reply #30 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:09:35 AM »

There must be a bridge in Brooklyn for sale at this rate

Crappaud smoke we pipe yes

WestCoast · « **Reply #31 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:10:28 AM »

a post by FF comes to mind

Quote from: FF on September 09, 2008, 02:10:46 PM

WHO COULD SCOUT THIS SIDE??

ah think ah serious here fellas.... PACHO IS AH GENIUS

here nah... we could win de world cup with this corbeaux brand yuh know

arrow · « **Reply #32 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:15:05 AM »

Quote from: spideybuff on September 17, 2008, 07:00:30 AM

Quote from: superoli on September 17, 2008, 02:02:35 AM
Touches is best we dont lose out on goal difference eh !

Nah we should be safe there. We playing Cuba at home in we last game...after half their side woulda defect to the US, plus they have nothing left to play for. So we will know how much goals we need to score...

And that's going to help us score them

weary1969 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:23:45 AM »

Of course dat just mean we go play wit 0 players upfront instead ah 1

Brownsugar · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:34:34 AM »

Oh lord I glad dis is the first thread I read upon logging on here this morning....it entertaining for so!!!!...

Touches boy, ah just hope yuh right on dis one....

Midknight · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:56:41 AM »

Touches, if you want to take it further, you could even say that Maturana tell the players (or tell Anton to tell them) to play as badly in the USA game to further the cobo brand. That one will have to wait though.

At the end of the day, there is one major down side to yuh analysis.

You just sell out de whole plan to the Guatemala scouts that does be here combing the board in secret.

So figure this : if we doh make the hex, we could always blame you instead of blaming Maturana and the three ring circus

Midknight · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2008, 09:18:57 AM »

Quote from: jai john on September 17, 2008, 04:50:23 AM

MATURANA DESERVES MORE CREDIT DAN WE ARE GIVING RIGHT NOW ...DIS POOL OF PLAYERS EH HOT !! DE MAN WORKING WELL WITH WHAT HE HAVE ...

So if the pool eh hot, what is the point of restricting it even more by alienating, having personal grouses with and sidelining some of the better players?

Men was saying the same thing about BSC - de fellas wasn't good. Beenie came and what did he do? He make a side from the same pool that was available to BSC, the exceptions being Birchall, Whitley (since he didn't want to play under BSC), and to a certain extent Latapy.

He turn Cyd Gray that man was afraid to see in the backline into a defender, had the courage to give Kelvin Jack and Tallest a steady run etc.

Beenie strong point was exactly how quickly he separate the sheep from the goats, and then how firmly he stick to his decisions once they were made. Granted he make two critical errors imo (Bleeder and Evans Wise later on) However, plenty men benefit from knowing they were in the coaches first 11 and there was very little chopping and changing like what we are seeing this rounds. Confidence is a hell of a thing.

kicker · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2008, 09:23:31 AM »

Thing is man talk this talk long time.....Touches just turn it into a full-blown essay.

judge101 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 17, 2008, 10:22:32 AM »

fellas i is a man of faith and i doh care who alyuh does pray to but jus pray for at least a draw against gautemala please pray every min

weary1969 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 17, 2008, 11:18:19 AM »

Pray without ceasing 1 Thess 5:17

scooby · « **Reply #40 on:** September 17, 2008, 12:43:22 PM »

touches thanks for trying to make sense out of nonsense but what you have us is more nonsense if that was the case why not rest cornell glen and play scotland to see what he would give you up from as a loan striker that plan they went with was pure garbage but you reasoning was almost believable good argument on the behalf of those clowns

ann3boys · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:18:54 PM »

well well well...what a theory- give the man a cigar

let's see if he really has as much brains as you, touches...
anybody really thinks yorke ever coming back?

ChipChipSilver · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2008, 06:54:32 PM »

Quote from: Touches on September 16, 2008, 05:42:01 PM

Folks,

After reading the article on WHitley and hearing comments by Babwah bout players coming back etc.

I feel this is what went on inside Maturana Afro.

Looking at the big picture, past history, readiness of the squad and players at his disposal...He told himself from the get go from looking at the schedule that TT would lose only ONE game in this semi-final round, and it would be away to the USA.

It was imperative we beat Cuba and Guatemala twice. We were allowed to mess up one game vs Guatemala, a draw away. Now we just have to win away.

Looking at the Card situation.

Lawrence has a yellow card, avery is out, Cyd on a card, Hyland out, I think Makan get one and Keyeno too.

Regardless of the outcome of the Guatemala game, where we 4k up the scene in the last 5 minutes, even though we play good, I sure he must be know to heself that we were not ready to face the USA. If the systems and tactics we were using have us ketching we arse with Guyana the week before and all them other small friendlies were not working and I as a fan could see that...he as the coach must see dat too.

So he knows the Guatemala game is Do or Die...what does he do.

Sacrifice lawrence, knowing we done lorse already....as a card would have him suspended against Guatemala.

Give Makan the sweat for caps, and throw in the Fastest best defender we have, to try they best and fight up. Hence Edwards get the role...he is familiar with him and he weighing him up against Cupid, Smith and Joyce who get a test and fail vs Guyana.

Then knowing the only way to test the US is to unsettle them he puts the only recognised "BLADE MAN" he has that he could sacrifice....Telesford.

Maturana couldnt care two fart if Telesford get a card. He know that he is a role player and dat is it for him. He didnt pick Me Mum due to Me Mum not looking good in the friendly match down here....if we are honest about his performance he was not up to par. and Maturana knows what Telesford capable of.

He knew Denzil cyar pelt no tackle, he know Daniel ent doing it, He know Edwards ent doing it, so is best yuh let Leon and Telesford try they best...if anybody in this midfield get a card and missing the next game is no scene. He also have Wolfe to run wild and try a thing.

So Maturana chooses a iffy line-up to protect the team and have the strongest team available vs Guatemala.

Guatemala cannot scout us...the Corbeaux brand is alive and well and the tactics only backfired because we get three. I am sure Maturana was hoping for a 1-0 or best case scenario 0-0. But he cannot come out in public and say he didnt think we coulda win or he saving players for Guatemala so he hush he mouth and doing he work quiet.

The team for Guatemala away will be

Cyd, Tallest, Keyeno/James, Avery

Midfield of Edwards, Yorke, Whitley, Hyland, Daniel

Glen up top.

All who get injured/carded will be replaced for the USA game at home but if we beat Guatemala that game is not of much significance. Then all players will be alright to face Cuba at home in the final game.

Pacho is a BOSS!!!

Watch how we in the HEX!!!!

We winning 2-0 in Guatemala.

Good logic but Mats eh so smart

damiangoal · « **Reply #43 on:** September 18, 2008, 08:47:44 AM »

Quote from: ChipChipSilver on September 17, 2008, 06:54:32 PM

Quote from: Touches on September 16, 2008, 05:42:01 PM
Folks,

After reading the article on WHitley and hearing comments by Babwah bout players coming back etc.

I feel this is what went on inside Maturana Afro.

Looking at the big picture, past history, readiness of the squad and players at his disposal...He told himself from the get go from looking at the schedule that TT would lose only ONE game in this semi-final round, and it would be away to the USA.

It was imperative we beat Cuba and Guatemala twice. We were allowed to mess up one game vs Guatemala, a draw away. Now we just have to win away.

Looking at the Card situation.

Lawrence has a yellow card, avery is out, Cyd on a card, Hyland out, I think Makan get one and Keyeno too.

Regardless of the outcome of the Guatemala game, where we 4k up the scene in the last 5 minutes, even though we play good, I sure he must be know to heself that we were not ready to face the USA. If the systems and tactics we were using have us ketching we arse with Guyana the week before and all them other small friendlies were not working and I as a fan could see that...he as the coach must see dat too.

So he knows the Guatemala game is Do or Die...what does he do.

Sacrifice lawrence, knowing we done lorse already....as a card would have him suspended against Guatemala.

Give Makan the sweat for caps, and throw in the Fastest best defender we have, to try they best and fight up. Hence Edwards get the role...he is familiar with him and he weighing him up against Cupid, Smith and Joyce who get a test and fail vs Guyana.

Then knowing the only way to test the US is to unsettle them he puts the only recognised "BLADE MAN" he has that he could sacrifice....Telesford.

Maturana couldnt care two fart if Telesford get a card. He know that he is a role player and dat is it for him. He didnt pick Me Mum due to Me Mum not looking good in the friendly match down here....if we are honest about his performance he was not up to par. and Maturana knows what Telesford capable of.

He knew Denzil cyar pelt no tackle, he know Daniel ent doing it, He know Edwards ent doing it, so is best yuh let Leon and Telesford try they best...if anybody in this midfield get a card and missing the next game is no scene. He also have Wolfe to run wild and try a thing.

So Maturana chooses a iffy line-up to protect the team and have the strongest team available vs Guatemala.

Guatemala cannot scout us...the Corbeaux brand is alive and well and the tactics only backfired because we get three. I am sure Maturana was hoping for a 1-0 or best case scenario 0-0. But he cannot come out in public and say he didnt think we coulda win or he saving players for Guatemala so he hush he mouth and doing he work quiet.

The team for Guatemala away will be

Cyd, Tallest, Keyeno/James, Avery

Midfield of Edwards, Yorke, Whitley, Hyland, Daniel

Glen up top.

All who get injured/carded will be replaced for the USA game at home but if we beat Guatemala that game is not of much significance. Then all players will be alright to face Cuba at home in the final game.

Pacho is a BOSS!!!

Watch how we in the HEX!!!!

We winning 2-0 in Guatemala.

Good logic but Mats eh so smart

I agree with every thing that chipsilver said except for the part about Me Mum not performing well in the friendly because it was his freekick that assisted in the two goals that were scored.

Saywha · « **Reply #44 on:** September 18, 2008, 11:03:40 AM »

Quote from: Touches on September 16, 2008, 05:42:01 PM

Folks,

After reading the article on WHitley and hearing comments by Babwah bout players coming back etc.

I feel this is what went on inside Maturana Afro.

Looking at the big picture, past history, readiness of the squad and players at his disposal...He told himself from the get go from looking at the schedule that TT would lose only ONE game in this semi-final round, and it would be away to the USA.

It was imperative we beat Cuba and Guatemala twice. We were allowed to mess up one game vs Guatemala, a draw away. Now we just have to win away.

Looking at the Card situation.

Lawrence has a yellow card, avery is out, Cyd on a card, Hyland out, I think Makan get one and Keyeno too.

Regardless of the outcome of the Guatemala game, where we 4k up the scene in the last 5 minutes, even though we play good, I sure he must be know to heself that we were not ready to face the USA. If the systems and tactics we were using have us ketching we arse with Guyana the week before and all them other small friendlies were not working and I as a fan could see that...he as the coach must see dat too.

So he knows the Guatemala game is Do or Die...what does he do.

Sacrifice lawrence, knowing we done lorse already....as a card would have him suspended against Guatemala.

Give Makan the sweat for caps, and throw in the Fastest best defender we have, to try they best and fight up. Hence Edwards get the role...he is familiar with him and he weighing him up against Cupid, Smith and Joyce who get a test and fail vs Guyana.

Then knowing the only way to test the US is to unsettle them he puts the only recognised "BLADE MAN" he has that he could sacrifice....Telesford.

Maturana couldnt care two fart if Telesford get a card. He know that he is a role player and dat is it for him. He didnt pick Me Mum due to Me Mum not looking good in the friendly match down here....if we are honest about his performance he was not up to par. and Maturana knows what Telesford capable of.

He knew Denzil cyar pelt no tackle, he know Daniel ent doing it, He know Edwards ent doing it, so is best yuh let Leon and Telesford try they best...if anybody in this midfield get a card and missing the next game is no scene. He also have Wolfe to run wild and try a thing.

So Maturana chooses a iffy line-up to protect the team and have the strongest team available vs Guatemala.

Guatemala cannot scout us...the Corbeaux brand is alive and well and the tactics only backfired because we get three. I am sure Maturana was hoping for a 1-0 or best case scenario 0-0. But he cannot come out in public and say he didnt think we coulda win or he saving players for Guatemala so he hush he mouth and doing he work quiet.

The team for Guatemala away will be

Cyd, Tallest, Keyeno/James, Avery

Midfield of Edwards, Yorke, Whitley, Hyland, Daniel

Glen up top.

All who get injured/carded will be replaced for the USA game at home but if we beat Guatemala that game is not of much significance. Then all players will be alright to face Cuba at home in the final game.

Pacho is a BOSS!!!

Watch how we in the HEX!!!!

We winning 2-0 in Guatemala.

I sure Faturana did not think about all ah dat. He aint so bright. So you theory might be wrong (but it make sense)

WARRIORKING · « **Reply #45 on:** September 18, 2008, 01:34:18 PM »

aye trini's is the funniest yes theres no strategy there every game should try to be won that metality that he know we was going to lose to usa so he sacrifice is bullshit i doh care if he play a side of shithounds which they were they should play hard and try to win but no they played like scared biaches.

Midknight · « **Reply #46 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:43:14 PM »

Alyuh forget the biggest master stroke of all. Picking a man on the team who ent eligible to play a game.

Then again, i suppose you could argue that that is PAcho way of making sure Hyland stay fit since he ent getting no official squad training anywhere else right?

palos · « **Reply #47 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:51:34 PM »

Quote from: Midknight on September 18, 2008, 02:43:14 PM

Alyuh forget the biggest master stroke of all. Picking a man on the team who ent eligible to play a game.

Then again, i suppose you could argue that that is PAcho way of making sure Hyland stay fit since he ent getting no official squad training anywhere else right?

Maturana is a visionary breds. U only tinkin short term. De reason why Mats did pick Hyland is because de US...yes de US...fraid Hyland BAD!

So he pick him KNOWIN FULL WELL dat de US woulda go and protess dat Hyland's tackle was really deserving of a 2 game suspension instead of 1. Yes...Hyland was therefore ruled out of the US game in Chicago....BUT...as long as he doh repeat de offence against Guatemala, he will be available fuh de crucial return leg against WHO in Trinidad on Oct 15th? De same US team dat fraid him BAD!

Pacho is a GENIASS breds. De man tinkin 3, 4 steps ahead a everybody else. Ah hear he used to be a chess master back in de day.....now yuh seein why!

weary1969 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2008, 03:05:59 PM »

Let him return 2 chess

Trini _2026 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 18, 2008, 04:17:23 PM »

Quote from: arrow on September 16, 2008, 10:32:58 PM

Quote from: Touches on September 16, 2008, 05:42:01 PM
Midfield of Edwards, Yorke, Whitley, Hyland, Daniel

Birchall over Hyland any day of the week...bring back the World Cup center midfield. Jones , Stern or Roberts up top, Glen not suited to the lone striker role.

I wonder how come the coach eh see that!!!!

palos · « **Reply #50 on:** September 18, 2008, 04:43:12 PM »

What is dis "lone striker role"?

arrow · « **Reply #51 on:** September 18, 2008, 04:46:27 PM »

Quote from: palos on September 18, 2008, 04:43:12 PM

What is dis "lone striker role"?

look it up on google

WestCoast · « **Reply #52 on:** September 18, 2008, 05:08:43 PM »

Quote from: arrow on September 18, 2008, 04:46:27 PM

Quote from: palos on September 18, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
What is dis "lone striker role"?
look it up on google

Arrow, check it

palos · « **Reply #53 on:** September 18, 2008, 05:13:52 PM »

Quote from: arrow on September 18, 2008, 04:46:27 PM

Quote from: palos on September 18, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
What is dis "lone striker role"?

look it up on google

Thanks...I did.

COMMON FOOTBALL FORMATIONS - WIKIPEDIA

4-4-1-1
A variation of 4-4-2 with one of the strikers playing 'in the hole', or as a 'second striker', slightly behind their partner. The second striker is generally a more creative player, the playmaker.[5]

Teams that used this formation

Italy, 2006 FIFA World Cup Winners:
Team: Gianluigi Buffon; Gianluca Zambrotta, Fabio Cannavaro, Marco Materazzi, Fabio Grosso; Mauro Camoranesi, Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Simone Perrotta; Francesco Totti; Luca Toni. Coach: Marcello Lippi.
Greece, European champion 2004
Finnish national team
Juventus during 2001/2002 and 2002/2003 (Alessandro Del Piero as a 'trequartista' or attacking playmaker behind David Trézéguet) — this was a hugely successful strategy for Juve, as they won the Scudetto in 2002 and 2003 and finished runners-up to AC Milan in the 2003 European Champions League.
Manchester United F.C. during 2006-07 season, In which they won the premiership for the first time in 4 years with Wayne Rooney behind Louis Saha/Ole Gunnar Solskjær/Alan Smith and Ryan Giggs on the left with Cristiano Ronaldo on the right and in the 07-08 season with Wayne Rooney up top and Carlos Tevez behind him, with Cristiano Ronaldo on the right and Ryan Giggs/ Nani on the left
Fenerbahçe S.K. 2006/2007 season Turkish League champions, under Zico's coaching.

4-4-1-1 Formation

[edit] 4-3-2-1 (the 'Christmas Tree' formation)
This is another variation of the 4-4-2, commonly described as the 'Christmas Tree' formation. Another forward is brought on for a midfielder to play 'in the hole', so leaving two forwards slightly behind the most forward striker. Terry Venables first brought in this system throughout England's Euro 96 campaign. Glenn Hoddle then used this formation during his time in charge of the England national football team. Since then the formation has lost its popularity in England.

Teams that used this formation

AC Milan, 2007 Champion's League Winners:
Team: Dida; Massimo Oddo, Alessandro Nesta, Paolo Maldini, Marek Jankulovski; Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Massimo Ambrosini; Kaká, Clarence Seedorf; Alberto Gilardino/Filippo Inzaghi. Coach: Carlo Ancelotti.
FC Barcelona during the 2004–05 and 2005–06 seasons when not playing 4-3-3 with Ronaldinho and Ludovic Giuly (or sometimes Lionel Messi during 2005–06) playing behind Samuel Eto'o.
Fenerbahce S.K. during Turkish Super League in 2007/2008 season and UEFA Champions League 2007/2008 season under Zico's coaching by using Deivid and Alex de Souza freely as creative forwards behind the lone striker played by Kezman and Semih in rotation.
Egypt national football team during 1998 African Cup of Nations with the coach Mahmoud El-Goharyand the pharaohs won the title.
France national football team champions of 1998 FIFA World Cup (at the final part of the tourney):
Team: Fabien Barthez; Bixente Lizarazu, Laurent Blanc, Marcel Desailly, Lilian Thuram ; Emmanuel Petit, Didier Deschamps, Christian Karembeu ; Youri Djorkaeff, Zinedine Zidane; Stephane Guivarc'h. Coach: Aimé Jacquet.

Thanks for the suggestion.