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« on: December 20, 2008, 03:00:25 PM »
Jamaica to Launch CARICOM Passport in January
KINGSTON (JIS):
Friday, December 19, 2008

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Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Passport, Immigration and Citizenship Agency (PICA), Jennifer McDonald

Jamaica's version of the new CARICOM Passport (CP), will be launched in January 2009.

Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Passport, Immigration and Citizenship Agency (PICA), Jennifer McDonald, speaking at yesterday's (Dec.17) JIS 'Think Tank', said that the document will bear the CARICOM logo and the words 'Caribbean Community' on the cover.

"It will also bear our Coat of Arms with the word 'Jamaica' as the issuing state written underneath. The CARICOM logo will also be imprinted on the inside pages of the document," the CEO disclosed.

She added that the inside pages of the passport will have perforations and other security features that are contained in the Jamaican passport.

According to Ms. McDonald, the CARICOM Passport is really a Jamaican Passport with the CARICOM logo and features, and Jamaicans will not be disenfranchised in any way in their travels when they use this passport.

"I know many Jamaicans tend to be highly nationalistic and it does not mean that we are losing any of our nationalism by embracing regionalism. In fact, we are becoming stronger and there's really nothing to fear with the 'Jamaican' CARICOM Passport," she assured.

The CP, which may be used for intra-regional and extra-regional travel, was conceived when Regional Heads of Government agreed on the introduction of the document as a defining symbol of regionalism. It is being adopted as part of measures to facilitate smoother processing of CARICOM nationals transiting the region and is a major thrust of the CARICOM Single Market and Economy (CSME).

A number of CARICOM states have already introduced the CP including Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Guyana.

According to Ms. McDonald, the CP "is really intended to foster a greater sense of community within the region and will be a tangible demonstration of one's membership in the Caribbean family".

She said that the introduction of the CP will not interfere with the validity of current passports. "We will not recall any existing passports. Your existing passport is still a valid travel document. The CP will exist alongside our national passport until the national passport expires," she advised.

The CP, which is machine readable, will come in three colours: dark blue, which will be for ordinary use; green for officials on Government business; and burgundy red for diplomats. The application process and the application forms for the CP will remain the same as when applying for the regular passport. The cost for obtaining it will be the same at $2,500 for adults and $1,500 for minors.

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2008, 10:25:36 AM »
Jamaica to Launch CARICOM Passport in January
KINGSTON (JIS):
Friday, December 19, 2008

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Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Passport, Immigration and Citizenship Agency (PICA), Jennifer McDonald

Jamaica's version of the new CARICOM Passport (CP), will be launched in January 2009.

Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Passport, Immigration and Citizenship Agency (PICA), Jennifer McDonald, speaking at yesterday's (Dec.17) JIS 'Think Tank', said that the document will bear the CARICOM logo and the words 'Caribbean Community' on the cover.

"It will also bear our Coat of Arms with the word 'Jamaica' as the issuing state written underneath. The CARICOM logo will also be imprinted on the inside pages of the document," the CEO disclosed.

She added that the inside pages of the passport will have perforations and other security features that are contained in the Jamaican passport.

According to Ms. McDonald, the CARICOM Passport is really a Jamaican Passport with the CARICOM logo and features, and Jamaicans will not be disenfranchised in any way in their travels when they use this passport.

"I know many Jamaicans tend to be highly nationalistic and it does not mean that we are losing any of our nationalism by embracing regionalism. In fact, we are becoming stronger and there's really nothing to fear with the 'Jamaican' CARICOM Passport," she assured.

The CP, which may be used for intra-regional and extra-regional travel, was conceived when Regional Heads of Government agreed on the introduction of the document as a defining symbol of regionalism. It is being adopted as part of measures to facilitate smoother processing of CARICOM nationals transiting the region and is a major thrust of the CARICOM Single Market and Economy (CSME).

A number of CARICOM states have already introduced the CP including Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Guyana.

According to Ms. McDonald, the CP "is really intended to foster a greater sense of community within the region and will be a tangible demonstration of one's membership in the Caribbean family".

She said that the introduction of the CP will not interfere with the validity of current passports. "We will not recall any existing passports. Your existing passport is still a valid travel document. The CP will exist alongside our national passport until the national passport expires," she advised.

The CP, which is machine readable, will come in three colours: dark blue, which will be for ordinary use; green for officials on Government business; and burgundy red for diplomats. The application process and the application forms for the CP will remain the same as when applying for the regular passport. The cost for obtaining it will be the same at $2,500 for adults and $1,500 for minors.

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CARICOM: killing us softly
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 06:53:52 PM »
CARICOM: killing us softly

Published: Sunday | June 7, 2009

Claude Clarke, Contributor


The rhetoric in CARICOM has been alluring and beguiling. It has aroused the 'better angels of our nature' and evoked idealistic images of unity and cooperation. It has reminded us of our common heritage and joined us in hopes of achieving our common aspirations. Government after government in Jamaica have unquestioningly joined the quest for the Holy Grail of Caribbean integration. But, for Jamaica, this pursuit has, so far, been extremely costly, and frustratingly elusive.

In The Sunday Gleaner of August 10 last year, in an article titled "Jamaica's Costly Affair with CARICOM", I invited a re-examination of Jamaica's experience in CARICOM, and proposed that action be taken to correct the persistent and increasingly disadvantaged position in which Jamaica has found itself. I emphasised the fact that our government's revenue and our overall economy have suffered enormously in our trade with the region. The situation has worsened since then, and our trade deficit with CARICOM now stands at US$1.6 billion, and exceeds our total exports to the region 40-fold.

In the early 1960s, my young mind was greatly perplexed by the news that the then government had banned imports from Japan on the grounds that that country imported nothing from us. At the time, I could not help believing the decision was at best imprudent; a case of cutting off our nose to spite our face. After all, Japan had become an industrial superpower and was perhaps the world's best source of competitively priced, high-quality industrial goods needed for our own development and the satisfaction of our consumers' needs.
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But what my youthful naďvete did not grasp at the time was that, notwithstanding the obvious downside of the action, reciprocity and balanced trade were, and still are, essential strategies of trade policy. After all, the ultimate purpose of trade policy is the promotion and development of a country's productive capacity. Regrettably, in more recent times, Jamaica's trade policies have seen a diametric departure from these fundamental and incontrovertible principles; and the consequences have been disastrous.

Our present overall trade deficit is almost half of our gross domestic product and represents over three times the value of our exports. We have a negative trade balance with just about every country with which we trade. Within CARICOM - our membership, which was expected to provide a protected trade environment in which we could compete and grow our exports - imports have dwarfed exports by staggering proportions.

With 50 per cent of the population of CARICOM, Jamaica ought to have had a natural advantage and should have been able to dominate trade within the group. Instead, we have become the dumping ground of every country in the region. Just about every member state enjoys a trade surplus with Jamaica.

Recent difficulties encountered by some Jamaican companies in entering certain CARICOM markets have rightfully attracted outrage and prompted strong responses from our Government and the private sector. But while our Government's actions will no doubt result in the resolution of the present impasse, Jamaica's problems with CARICOM are much deeper and more entrenched than can be solved with a piecemeal approach. The permanent solution Jamaica needs has to go to the heart of the problem which affects our competitiveness in the region.

There is no doubt that the anti-production economic policies of past governments, which left Jamaica the most uncompetitive economy in the region, have been major contributors to our present hopeless trading position. However, equally damaging to Jamaica's competitiveness in the region has been the extraordinary imbalance in the substantial government subsidies given to producers in certain countries, which are not available to Jamaica's producers.

CARICOM is a free-trade market within which all producers should be on an equal footing where government assistance is concerned. It is, therefore, quite amazing that Jamaican governments have sat by for so many years and allowed the Trinidadian government, in particular, to use subsidies and other devices to put its producers on a superior competitive footing to ours. It is clear that natural gas and oil used in Trinidad for energy production is priced at less than the world-market prices, which non-oil-producing CARICOM countries, like Jamaica, have to pay. As a result, Trinidad's producers pay only three US cents per kWh for electricity while Jamaican producers have been stuck with electricity bills at rates as high as 25 cents per kWh (JPS inefficiency not withstanding).

Such subsidies give Trinidad's producers an insurmountable advantage and are incompatible with the fundamental principles of fair trade within a common market. It is surprising that Trinidad, in its obvious quest for CARICOM domination, has not recognised that its own enlightened self-interest would be better served by being more judicious in its use of energy as a weapon of trade in the region. One cannot but wonder, however, whether Trinidad was not encouraged in its actions by the apparent complicity of our own Government which had, at the same time, been sending the Jamaican economy into uncompetitiveness with misguided macro-economic policies.

Trinidad's producers now completely dominate Jamaica's market, while Jamaican producers have minimal presence in theirs. This one-way trade cannot be sustained and should no longer be tolerated by the Jamaican Government. Apart from anything else, it is depriving the Jamaican Treasury of desperately needed revenue; perhaps as much as J$20 billion of Customs duties foregone last year. How can it be rational for our Government to ask us to sacrifice revenues we desperately need for our schools, our hospitals and our security forces so as to allow subsidised Trinidadian goods to drive Jamaican goods produced in Jamaican farms and factories by Jamaican workers, out of the Jamaican market?

How many Jamaican manufacturers have been driven into the ground by Trinidadian products benefiting from three cents per kWh electricity and duty-free entry into the Jamaican market? How many workers and farmers who now stare hopelessly into the black hole of unemployment are aware of the fact that their distress is substantially the result of unfair trade practised by some of our CARICOM trading partners?

There is a good reason The Bahamas does not participate in the trade aspect of CARICOM: it cannot justify surrendering the revenue needed to provide social services to its people if it cannot gain commensurately from exports of goods to the region. What is more, the logic of protective-tariff barriers suggests that more foreign exchange is spent for CARICOM imports than would be needed to pay for similar goods imported from extra-regional sources. This is even truer in Jamaica's case, as the additional cost of imports from CARICOM could run into tens of millions of US dollars and is likely paid for with debt, adding to our burgeoning debt stock and exacerbating our debilitating debt-servicing burden.

expanding the domestic and export market

The position from which every country's trade policy should start is the objective of expanding the domestic- and export-market opportunities for its productive assets: its workers, factories and farms. No trade policy, not even CARICOM, should be accepted if it cannot be demonstrated that it will result in the achievement of this objective.


Trinidad and Tobago was accused recently of using non-tariff barriers to block the importation of patties from Jamaica. There have also been difficulties getting Red Stripe beer into the Belizean marketing.
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Because the outrageous trade imbalance with CARICOM so obviously undermines and destroys the economic and social well-being of the Jamaican people, there would have to be some powerful countervailing benefit to justify it. On the other hand, it would be in the interest of any country that has a significant trade surplus with Jamaica to create opportunities for reciprocity to ensure the continuation of the benefit it enjoys.

Trinidad, which is by far the greatest beneficiary of CARICOM trade, was provided a real opportunity to reciprocate when Jamaica requested LNG supplies at its domestic price. Trinidad initially agreed, but after a long period of broken promises and unfulfilled expectations, declined the request and Jamaica's hopes for low-cost energy were dashed.
Unfortunately, Jamaica contributed as much as Trinidad to the failed outcome by employing a most ill-advised negotiating strategy. We sought to use Jamaican alumina as a bargaining chip, as Trinidad needed alumina for its planned aluminium smelter. But it should have been clear that Trinidad never saw Jamaica as a necessary source of alumina and never felt pressured to secure Jamaica as its source. Additionally, because our request for LNG was linked to the Jamalco alumina plant expansion, the Trinidadian government was far more concerned with anticipated opposition from its own electorate, which would not have taken kindly to their government giving subsidised natural gas to a multi-national company, Alcoa, which is the majority owner of the Jamalco plant. What is surprising is that the Jamaican Government did not recognise that it had a far better and more powerful bargaining chip: the enormous market Jamaica represents to Trinidad's producers under the protective cover of CARICOM.

Competitively priced energy is essential to Jamaica's economic future and our Government should have taken a much stronger stand to force Trinidad to honour its original commitment to supply our LNG on the same basis as it supplies it to its own producers. Given the circumstances of Trinidad-Jamaica trade, this should now be a non-negotiable condition for Trinidad's exports to continue to receive duty-free CARICOM treatment from Jamaica. Trinidad's exports to Jamaica exceeded US$1.5 billion in 2008 and were exceeded only by its exports to the United States.



For many years, nearly all our CARICOM partners have watched their trade surplus with Jamaica rise and the prosperity of their people grow. Many, like Trinidad, now boast per capita incomes several times greater than ours, with every indication that the gap will continue to widen. CARICOM has been killing Jamaica softly, while we have slept quietly. It is now time for us to wake up and defend ourselves. It is time to say enough. Jamaicans must now demand that our Government begin to protect us from the abuse our economy has suffered within CARICOM; and wake up and fight.
Claude Clarke is a former trade minister and manufacturer. Feedback may be sent to columns@gleanerjm.com.
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Re: CARICOM: killing us softly
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 07:14:32 PM »
this is one dunce bitch

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 07:34:18 PM »
They can pull out from the Caricom trade pact.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 07:37:48 PM »
i didnt have to open and read this and knew it was Jamaica.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 09:52:03 PM »
this is one dunce bitch
you is the dunce one , our last priminister distroy the country in the last 14 years , i ham happy with the stanse the new priminister take. it seems like you do not know about the trade barriors going on. samuda made a statment that show the start of some think dangerous when she stated " the same knife that use to kill sheep is also use to kill goat". fighting fire for fire could be posible. oil will not last for ever every country is trying to move away from it. and caricom is scared of jamaica products because it will sell more than theirs in their country so they try to block worl renoun red strip and beef patties wish is popular in america but our own neighbours bloking it. if caricom distroyed alot of the east will perish, if jamaica pull out, domanica republic will also and the west could goin with cuba , jamaica and the domanica republic. europ had made a statement last week that the east econame will be too small without the larger islands especial the domaica republic for them to compete for the future. you do not understand that every is use some sholder to reach the top, but T&T do not know or remember where they are comming from :rotfl:.  this could happen again

http://www1.american.edu/TED/TOBAGO.HTM

most countries are moving away from oil, and tourism could become the largest part of the worlds GDP.
jamaica is also trying to stop also


http://ethanol-news.newslib.com/story/6938-30458/


i guess alot of you do not know how seriuos this is and also implications.


http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,101433.html

i guess you are all oil minded. jamaica was not only the richest in the caribbean but one of hte richest in the world, and bauxite was dominant. now you see where it is? noting last forever.

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 11:45:40 PM »
Well first of all if JA is 50% of CARICOM population as the author states, that would make it the biggest market and the one everyone wants to access. Nothing sinister about that, just simple business principle - sell your crap where the majority of the people located.

Secondly if you have a trade deficit, take a look at what you are importing versus exporting. I recently came back from a 3 week vacation in Jamaica, and in the newspaper the JA PM was calling for local businesses to get away from exporting raw commodities and start adding value to them - so for example, if you exporting sesame seeds and sorrel fruit to T&T and importing beneballs and sorrel wine from us, you will have a trade deficit because the income from the export is a fraction of what is being paid for the final product. The author talk about exporting patties, but lets be honest, what is patty production as a % of JA GDP? If yuh exporting patties but importing appliances produced in other CARICOM countries you will have a trade deficit.

Also, the author is upset about trade imbalances with other countries but they are all fractions of the size of JA, so their need for JA goods is limited and size is not necessarily an advantage. A country that has 70-80,000 people could only import so many patties, Red Stripe, yam and chemicals but JA on the other hand would have an appetite for everything those people could produce as long as it's something they want or need.

Thirdly the development or lack thereof of a diverse manufacturing base is not the fault of T&T but of government policy. There are lots of countries out there that have to buy energy at market prices and still manage to have broad economic base. According to the CIA world factbook, 61.8% of JA GDP comes from services (Tourism) - you can't export that. 32% of GDP comes from industry which is dominated by bauxite/alumina. 64% of JA labour force is in services and only 19% in industry. Manufacturing does not seem to be a big economic priority like tourism.

You can't join a trading bloc then realize that your manufacturing base is underdeveloped and then want to blame the others who are taking advantage of the same rules which you agreed to. You have the same rights as everyone else and if someone not playing by the rules call them on it, but don't blame your partners or cheap energy in T&T for your trade imbalances.

Look at how your wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few families that dominate most businesses. Oil and gas has allowed T&T to develop a large middle class with easier access to capital that can then be used for entrepreneurial activities. From what I have seen in JA, the Issas, Chins, Lees etc. own and control everything and the money is concentrated in certain parts of Kingston and the North Coast. If a few control the money how can others ever hope to create manufacturing enterprises that compete locally or internationally? If entrepreneurs are starved for cash, training & exposure they cant create the businesses and make the products that markets want.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 08:27:27 AM »
If is one ting dey seem to be exporting a lot of is internet forum trolls.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 11:25:38 AM »
Well first of all if JA is 50% of CARICOM population as the author states, that would make it the biggest market and the one everyone wants to access. Nothing sinister about that, just simple business principle - sell your crap where the majority of the people located.

Secondly if you have a trade deficit, take a look at what you are importing versus exporting. I recently came back from a 3 week vacation in Jamaica, and in the newspaper the JA PM was calling for local businesses to get away from exporting raw commodities and start adding value to them - so for example, if you exporting sesame seeds and sorrel fruit to T&T and importing beneballs and sorrel wine from us, you will have a trade deficit because the income from the export is a fraction of what is being paid for the final product. The author talk about exporting patties, but lets be honest, what is patty production as a % of JA GDP? If yuh exporting patties but importing appliances produced in other CARICOM countries you will have a trade deficit.

Also, the author is upset about trade imbalances with other countries but they are all fractions of the size of JA, so their need for JA goods is limited and size is not necessarily an advantage. A country that has 70-80,000 people could only import so many patties, Red Stripe, yam and chemicals but JA on the other hand would have an appetite for everything those people could produce as long as it's something they want or need.

Thirdly the development or lack thereof of a diverse manufacturing base is not the fault of T&T but of government policy. There are lots of countries out there that have to buy energy at market prices and still manage to have broad economic base. According to the CIA world factbook, 61.8% of JA GDP comes from services (Tourism) - you can't export that. 32% of GDP comes from industry which is dominated by bauxite/alumina. 64% of JA labour force is in services and only 19% in industry. Manufacturing does not seem to be a big economic priority like tourism.

You can't join a trading bloc then realize that your manufacturing base is underdeveloped and then want to blame the others who are taking advantage of the same rules which you agreed to. You have the same rights as everyone else and if someone not playing by the rules call them on it, but don't blame your partners or cheap energy in T&T for your trade imbalances.

Look at how your wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few families that dominate most businesses. Oil and gas has allowed T&T to develop a large middle class with easier access to capital that can then be used for entrepreneurial activities. From what I have seen in JA, the Issas, Chins, Lees etc. own and control everything and the money is concentrated in certain parts of Kingston and the North Coast. If a few control the money how can others ever hope to create manufacturing enterprises that compete locally or internationally? If entrepreneurs are starved for cash, training & exposure they cant create the businesses and make the products that markets want.

 i quite agree with that thats mainly the government fault, thats why i made the statement that our last governement that run the country for 14 years did alot of damage, and the new one is just strated what should have started along time. it is shocking that 15 years ago our doller was  JA2 TO US1 and now its JA88 to US1 , these type of trading is what cause it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 12:52:17 PM »
Jamaican dollar? 2:1 USD? 15 years ago?

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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2009, 01:20:53 PM »
Jamaican dollar? 2:1 USD? 15 years ago?
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Thinking about that “little matter” of a Trinidadian entity purchasing Air Jamaica got me thinking a bit about the likely Jamaican reactions to yet another piece of our pie being owned by the Trinis. There is no question in my mind that our national airline could very well be more efficiently managed by Trinidadian business interests. However, there is also the matter of our national pride in the face of a seemingly growing Trinidad hegemony (for want of a better word).

Trinidad sits atop one of the largest natural gas reserves in the world, and this country is perhaps the most resource-rich CARICOM country. That, in part, is an explanation for Trinidad’s prominent economic position in the region. But that only tells a part of the story, as I am convinced that, despite the recent massive failure of Clico, Trinidadian businessmen nevertheless have a proven track record of efficiency.

But what has the economic relationship between both countries been like in recent times? Below is a synopsis of relevant things as we ponder this question:

Trinidad & Tobago decision-makers angered many Jamaicans by reneging on a promise to provide Jamaica with liquefied natural gas (LNG). This LNG was a vital component of Jamaica’s plans to expand the infrastructure for its bauxite production. In fact, the availability of LNG from Trinidad would have lowered Alcoa’s cost of production at its Clarendon alumina refinery and as a result of the cogeneration of electricity, some of the LNG would have passed through Jamaica’s electricity grid, lowering the cost of production in the wider economy.

Prior to that, there was the takeover of Jamaica’s Caribbean Cement Company. The Trinidad Cement Limited (TCL) acquired a 43.5% stake in Jamaica’s Caribbean Cement Company Ltd. The acquisition by TCL of controlling interest in the Caribbean Cement Company in Jamaica in March 1999 was far reaching, and today makes TCL the only cement manufacturer in the English-speaking Caribbean.

Today, the TCL Group is made up of eight operating companies in Trinidad (four), Barbados, Guyana, Jamaica, and Anguilla.

The financial conglomerate Royal Bank of Trinidad & Tobago (RBTT) entered the Jamaican market when it bought Union Bank (which in turn had been formed from the merger of four failed banks of the late 1990s: Eagle Merchant Bank, Workers bank, Island Victoria and Citizens Bank).

The Carreras Group closed its cigarette manufacturing operations in Jamaica around late 2005, transferring this to Trinidad. Jamaica thereby moved from a manufacturing to a distribution-only operation.

Before this, the highly profitable Jamaica Biscuit Company (owned then, I think, by the Carreras Group) was sold in 1999 to Caribbean Brands, a Trinidad biscuit company.

Guardian Holdings Ltd. (GHL), a Trinidad-owned insurance company, entered the Jamaican market in 1999. The following year GHL bought Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance (Jamaica) Ltd and changed the name to West Indies Alliance Insurance Company Ltd.
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Sometime around 2008 Trinidad moved to form a political union between itself and Grenada, St Vincent and St Lucia, with Prime Minister Patrick Manning calling the existing CARICOM process “too slow.” Jamaica, Belize and Suriname have refused to join any such union. PM Manning has stated that the 2012 Trinidad general election will be used as a “referendum” for his initiative to establish political union with the eastern Caribbean and other CARICOM states by 2013.

There is more that time does not permit me to include, but I hope that the facts presented above will lead to a lively discussion on this forum.
 
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 03:11:45 PM »
I do hope TT does not buy Air JA or any other airline, until CA is an efficiently run airline.

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 07:08:46 PM »
From wha i remember...Caricom wanted de natural gas and below a cost that would even allow us to break even. I subject to correction doh. Buh i also definately remember dat Jamaica went to Hugo pandering for LNG same way and was willing to pay him much more for it.

And if Trinis didnt get involve in Jamaica Cement..it woulda go belly up.  Buh nah..dah doh count for nuttin.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 01:08:42 PM »
Well first of all if JA is 50% of CARICOM population as the author states, that would make it the biggest market and the one everyone wants to access. Nothing sinister about that, just simple business principle - sell your crap where the majority of the people located.

Secondly if you have a trade deficit, take a look at what you are importing versus exporting. I recently came back from a 3 week vacation in Jamaica, and in the newspaper the JA PM was calling for local businesses to get away from exporting raw commodities and start adding value to them - so for example, if you exporting sesame seeds and sorrel fruit to T&T and importing beneballs and sorrel wine from us, you will have a trade deficit because the income from the export is a fraction of what is being paid for the final product. The author talk about exporting patties, but lets be honest, what is patty production as a % of JA GDP? If yuh exporting patties but importing appliances produced in other CARICOM countries you will have a trade deficit.

Also, the author is upset about trade imbalances with other countries but they are all fractions of the size of JA, so their need for JA goods is limited and size is not necessarily an advantage. A country that has 70-80,000 people could only import so many patties, Red Stripe, yam and chemicals but JA on the other hand would have an appetite for everything those people could produce as long as it's something they want or need.

Thirdly the development or lack thereof of a diverse manufacturing base is not the fault of T&T but of government policy. There are lots of countries out there that have to buy energy at market prices and still manage to have broad economic base. According to the CIA world factbook, 61.8% of JA GDP comes from services (Tourism) - you can't export that. 32% of GDP comes from industry which is dominated by bauxite/alumina. 64% of JA labour force is in services and only 19% in industry. Manufacturing does not seem to be a big economic priority like tourism.

You can't join a trading bloc then realize that your manufacturing base is underdeveloped and then want to blame the others who are taking advantage of the same rules which you agreed to. You have the same rights as everyone else and if someone not playing by the rules call them on it, but don't blame your partners or cheap energy in T&T for your trade imbalances.

Look at how your wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few families that dominate most businesses. Oil and gas has allowed T&T to develop a large middle class with easier access to capital that can then be used for entrepreneurial activities. From what I have seen in JA, the Issas, Chins, Lees etc. own and control everything and the money is concentrated in certain parts of Kingston and the North Coast. If a few control the money how can others ever hope to create manufacturing enterprises that compete locally or internationally? If entrepreneurs are starved for cash, training & exposure they cant create the businesses and make the products that markets want.

 i quite agree with that thats mainly the government fault, thats why i made the statement that our last governement that run the country for 14 years did alot of damage, and the new one is just strated what should have started along time. it is shocking that 15 years ago our doller was  JA2 TO US1 and now its JA88 to US1 , these type of trading is what cause it.

Jamaican dollar? 2:1 USD? 15 years ago?
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:) Shatta eh lie ... it is shocking ;D.
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Re: CARICOM: killing us softly
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2009, 02:09:41 PM »
I do hope TT does not buy Air JA or any other airline, until CA is an efficiently run airline.

Didn't Air JA come out of BWIA back in around 1968?

Jamaican dollar? 2:1 USD? 15 years ago?
Dem fellas good eh !

:) Shatta eh lie ... it is shocking ;D.

when I was there around 1998 it was already 40:1

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Re: CARICOM: killing us softly
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2009, 03:09:32 PM »
Doh mind Shatta ...

I read Michael Manley's Up the Down Escalator in 1991 ... one of the things that stayed with me is the trajectory of Jamaica's exchange rate he identified ... Shatta (apparently not fond of the PNP) probably cyah count that far back ... and if it's the JLP he loves, then he should investigate the rate under Seaga ... since he seems to think the rate tells the full story.

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2009, 01:04:52 PM »
Merge Air Jamaica, Caribbean Airlines, LIAT
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Dear Editor, I refer to a letter by Jason Gardner which appeared in the Gleaner on June 7 and the Observer on June 8 re the sale of Air Jamaica. The writer said he was"very angry at what is going on at the cement factory".

I am the CEO of the TCL Group, which is the majority shareholder of Carib Cement in Jamaica. TCL bought controlling shareholding of Carib Cement at three times the price that was quoted on the stock exchange in 1999 after narrowly beating two other foreign bidders for the company. No Jamaican entity bid for the plant! We did not steal the plant; nor were we given the plant. We bought it after invitation from the government of Jamaica. TCL owns 75 per cent of Carib Cement and the other 25 per cent is owned by 23,000 Jamaican shareholders. TCL is also listed on the Jamaican stock exchange. It is a true Caribbean company. Any interested person could be a shareholder of both companies.

In 1999 Carib Cement was on the brink of bankruptcy, which is why no Jamaican business concerns wanted to buy it. The TCL Group reorganised the company and managed to motivate the highly talented group of Jamaican employees to turn the company around. Today there are only four Trinidadians in a staff complement of over 300 employees.

It would be foolish for Trinidadians to boast that they own Jamaica. I don't know where Mr Gardner heard that.Trinidadian companies have equity interests in the financial services sector, manufacturing and a few hotels. The Jamaican economy is dominated by the bauxite and hospitality sector which is either owned by the state or other foreign interests.
The Jamaican government wants to sell Air Jamaica. Like Carib Cement, no one is forcing them to sell or is stealing the company. Air Jamaica has been losing millions of taxpayers' dollars because, like Caribbean Airlines, it is a national airline. National airlines cannot survive in the current environment, but regional governments are stubborn and do not realise that the only solution is for Air Jamaica, Caribbean Airlines and LIAT to merge, just like the three cement companies: TCL, Arawak in Barbados and Carib Cement in Jamaica.

Trinidad is not blocking any products from Jamaica. Trinidad and Barbados have what are called "phytosanitary" standards for food imports. The strictest phytosanitary rules exist in North America.

Jamaican ackees were banned for years by the US government because of these standards. In a Sunday Observer article on June 7, "Watch that meat" the minister of agriculture is reported to have focused attention on the majority of the 1100 abattoirs across Jamaica which were operating illegally. The article further reported that the minister's vision for centralised slaughter facilities included having veterinary services to check on the health of animals and to allow for traceability of the livestock. This was considered critical to ensure health and safety for consumers.
This is at the root of Trinidad and Tobago's and Barbados's concerns about Jamaican patties -- the potential for public health issues arising from insanitary conditions of meat preparation. The trade dispute has been put into the media as some sort of anti-Jamaican issue, but it really is not.

I hope that I have addressed the concerns expressed by
Mr Gardner. As CEO of the TCL Group representing 75 per cent of shareholding of Carib Cement, we have recently invested more than US$177 million in new plant and equipment. If that is what makes him "very angry at what is going on at the cement factory", then I think he has his priorities wrong. We (the TCL Group) are investing in the development of Jamaica, more so than many Jamaicans who live outside the country. This is the only way that the country can start to show sustained development.

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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2009, 02:24:14 PM »
If is one ting dey seem to be exporting a lot of is internet forum trolls.
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Caricom, Cuba defend TT against US
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2011, 05:36:05 AM »
Caricom, Cuba defend TT against US
Friday, December 9 2011
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Caricom leaders and Cuban President Raul Castro last night described the intervention by United States (US) authorities to prevent the hosting of the Caricom-Cuba Summit at the Hilton Trinidad, St Ann’s as “an intrusion of the United States against the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago”.

This was contained in a statement which the leaders issued following the conclusion of the summit at NAPA in Port-of-Spain last night.

In the statement the leaders said, “this is a unilateral and unwarranted extraterritorial application of the United States’ Helms-Burton law which is contrary to the United Nations charter and international law.

The leaders added, “It also flies in the face of the annual overwhelming rejection of this policy by the United Nations General Assembly.”

The leaders also said, “this was one more demonstration of the injustice of the United States’ embargo and its harmful impact on the daily life of the Cuban people.”

The leaders concluded their statement by saying that while such extraterritorial action could have impacted on the success of the summit, “thanks to the commitment and solidarity of the members states of the Caribbean community we can celebrate an outcome which reinforces the strong fraternal bond between Caricom and Cuba.”

At a news conference at NAPA where the statement was presented to reporters, outgoing Caricom chairman St Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr Denzil Douglas said the statement received unanimous support from all leaders in attendance including Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Douglas added he did not believe this statement would harm US-Caricom relations and the US remains a valuable ally and trading partner to Caricom.

However, he said he hoped the US would recognise that realities have changed and it was necessary to bring the embargo against Cuba to an end.
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Re: Caricom, Cuba defend TT against US
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2011, 05:45:35 AM »
Caricom leaders call on US: Lift embargo on Cuba now
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The Caricom community and Cuba leadership have both reinforced calls for the US to lift its longstanding trade embargo against Cuba. The calls came at yesterday’s fourth Caricom-Cuba summit held at the National Academy for the Performing Arts (NAPA) in Port-of-Spain where Cuban President Raul Castro was the guest of honour. Both Castro and Caricom chairman St Kitts Prime Minister Denzil Douglas made the calls to the US.

The T&T Government was forced to shift the venue for the function from the Hilton (Trinidad) since the US-managed hotel was unable to get the required licences from the US Government to host the Cuban delegation. The US has had a long-standing trade embargo against Cuba, reinforced in 1996 by the Helms-Burton law which prohibits any recognition of a Cuban transitional Government where Fidel—former President—or his brother Raul Castro are involved.

Speaking at yesterday’s function, Caricom secretary general Irwin LaRocque noted that leaders of the regional grouping have returned to Port-of-Spain to mark the 39th anniversary of the declaration of relations between Caricom and Cuba. LaRocque said this was launched by the late leaders of T&T, Jamaica, Barbados and Guyana in 1972. Leaders have gathered triannually since then to mark Caricom-Cuba day on December 8, observing ties between both.

Caricom chairman St Kitts Prime Minister Denzil Douglas said the  Caricom-Cuba relationship has remained robust. He noted the many areas of collaboration within the Caricom-Cuba relationship. Douglas said it was imperative to pool resources and stand behind common principles to advance objectives. He said those principles include adherence to the United Nations’ Charter:

 “For us, in particular, adherence to the principles of self-determination of peoples, of non-interference in the internal affairs of states and of upholding the rule of international law.”  “It is in keeping with these principles that Caricom has remained resolute in its firm stance of calling for an end to the economic, commercial and financial embargo of the Republic of Cuba,”  Douglas said. “Caricom therefore takes the opportunity of this summit to again urge the government of the United States to lift with immediate effect, the unjust economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed against Cuba.”

Cuban President Raul Castro, speaking after Douglas, said Cuba will never forget the Caribbean nations’ support to put an end to the US trade embargo started more than five decades ago. Castro said the embargo remained basically unchanged. He said the measures publicised by the US from the Bush administration had not gone beyond a partial relaxation of the restrictions limiting remittances and travel to the island, of Cuban citizens living in the US.

“The expectations of the so-called 2009 Summit of the Americas held in this city (Port-of-Spain) have failed to rise above the rhetoric,” he said. US President Barack Obama had attended the Summit of the Americas in Port-of-Spain in 2009. Castro also said Latin American was moving to a new form of integration. He said the movement was on the right track and Cuba believed that Caricom’s interests must be espoused in the movement. He  also called for continued efforts to assist Haiti’s reconstruction. Castro devoted a significant portion of his lengthy address to speaking about the  problems  his country is suffering from climate change. He said that by 2050, parts of south-western Cuba would be gone because of coastal erosion.

T&T Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, in her address, also noted that all Caricom members voted consistently on various occasions over the years in favour of the annual UN General Assembly Resolution which called for an end to the trade embargo and blockade of Cuba. She said this was no different in October when 186 states voted in support of the resolution.  Persad- Bissessar said Caricom had demonstrated its commitment in this regard. “I admire the generosity and sense of kinship of the Government and people of Cuba, who despite their own economic and financial challenges are still imbued with a sense of kindness unmatched even among those countries which are better circumstanced,” she said.

The PM said the region must breathe new life into the Caricom-Cuba Joint Commission to fulfill the mandate of its mission. This was to be examined to see if any of the agreements in the framework need to be streamlined. Persad-Bissessar reaffirmed the regional move towards South-South co-operation. She said  while the region should maintain its northern ties, it should also start looking away from the north since the South-South  direction is the future. On the US/Hilton issue, Persad- Bissessar, speaking to reporters after the summit, denied that the application to use the Hilton for the summit was sent late. Foreign Affairs Minister Suruj Rambachan said the contract was signed with the Hilton on October 24. Persad-Bissessar added: “There was no  way it was too late...How can October be too late.”
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Re: Caricom, Cuba defend TT against US
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2011, 07:03:28 AM »
 You know if a US citizen buys a cuban cigar in Trinidad he is breaking the law (US).
American citizens and companies are not allowed to do any kind of business with certain countries, Cuba, Iran, North Viet Nam to name 3.
About 4 yrs ago I was called in to a meeting where this was being explained (because we do some business with IRAN at partner level) because somehow somebody thought I was American, anyhow I listened to what was being said and in a nutshell, if you go to a meeting and Iran is to be discusssed you must remove yourself from the proceedings and also not sign on any document that involves Iranian interests.
Pretty serious stuff.
If Hilton TT had hosted Raul and were paid for doing so without State Department permission I guess Alli Khan if he is American could have faced charges.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 10:09:11 AM »
Fishs , one ah dem country doh exist no more
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 10:31:21 AM »
Fishs , one ah dem country doh exist no more

Damn, they bomb Iran?   ;D ::)
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 10:58:46 AM »
Fishs , one ah dem country doh exist no more

Damn, they bomb Iran?   ;D ::)

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2011, 09:33:20 PM »

Ah meant North Korea, watching too much movies recently
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Re: Caricom, Cuba defend TT against US
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2011, 10:52:16 PM »
You know if a US citizen buys a cuban cigar in Trinidad he is breaking the law (US).
American citizens and companies are not allowed to do any kind of business with certain countries, Cuba, Iran, North Viet Nam to name 3.
About 4 yrs ago I was called in to a meeting where this was being explained (because we do some business with IRAN at partner level) because somehow somebody thought I was American, anyhow I listened to what was being said and in a nutshell, if you go to a meeting and Iran is to be discusssed you must remove yourself from the proceedings and also not sign on any document that involves Iranian interests.
Pretty serious stuff.
If Hilton TT had hosted Raul and were paid for doing so without State Department permission I guess Alli Khan if he is American could have faced charges.

Americans buying Cuban cigars right here in America... not sure whey yuh getting yuh info from.

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2011, 11:00:34 PM »
Raw Cuban sugar is seperated from other countries raw sugar using a tarp before being processed at some refineries in Canada. However during production it look like all the sugar is scoped up processed at the same time, no seperation at that point.
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