"You'll Never Walk Alone" - de Official Liverpool thread

[Mango Chow!]

Finally on Barnes. I heard him on BBC and talksport and his is a very nuanced response.

Firstly, he clearly feels aggrieved at the stuff he had to go through. He makes the point that the reponse to all of this is insincere. He thinks that the English haven’t moved on in race relations, just that they have legislated such that people just don’t say how they feel. He makes the analogy that murder and theft are outlawed but still happen, likewise racism will not be eradicated by legislation but by education. He also used the dearth of black managers as an example of racism still be prevalent.

Barnes is a very intelligent fella. His idea is to educate that race is a non-existant fiction with no genetic basis, contrived 600 years ago to justify colonization and slavery. In the past I have heard him with similar high-thinking concepots about Nationalism as an evil and that nothing good comes from the geopolitcal borders that we have between people.

Where he loses some points and comes off as a staucnh Liverpool apologist is when he says that none of the journalists said or dis anything back in his time. When the response is “true but something is being written now” his retort was that “it is not the right thing being done, that banning Suarez and Terry does not solve anything”. He also doesn’t blame Kenny for what Suarez failed to do, even though admitting that he should have done it, but then refuses to say whether Liverpool should punish Suarez internally.

I also disgree with his rejection of ideas like affirmative action as a solution. For all its flaws AA forces people to work with groups who they would otherwise not consider, encounter or associate with. This forced socialization can act as an inetrface for people to broaden their ideas and understand that the differences they see in race and colour are artificial and the differences in culture are natural. Bit by bit, over time those ideas spread to remove prejudices, very slow process but it is an approach with some merit.

There IS intelligent life on this forum.......

How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?

....there is youth, too.

Simple are we. 

You are obviously speaking for yourself, padnah.  The mere fact that you would even ask that question or make the comparison in your head between the Bridge-Terry and Evra-suarez issues is confirmation of such.

[boss]

Somewhat incredibly, we're only 4 points off 4th place in the Premier League after a long extended period without two of our best players. The tough matches left are the Merseyside Derby, Arsenal at home, Newcastle away, and Chelsea at home. We're also primed for a good FA Cup run, and of course, there's the League Cup final at Wembley. Looking forward to a strong end of the season. 

[Bakes]

Carling Cup Final...  Glen Johnson rock de crossbar arready  0-0 in the 2'

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Cardiff lull Liverpool to sleep... defenders slow to close out and Skrtel caught lagging behind to keep a man onside in the box. 

1-0 Cardiff 19'... commence negative football.

[Bakes]

Suarez off the upright... Skrtel with the rebound.  1-1 60'

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

Bakes what are yuh thoughts on Gerard forearm blow on the Cardiff player blocking him? Looked deliberate to me

Cardiff looking like their next hope is penalties..Nothing really going forward

[kaliman2006]

Seriously, what the heck is going on with Liverpool's defending. Cardiff could easily be up 2-1.

[ckhan]

Awesome game!

[Bakes]

Bakes what are yuh thoughts on Gerard forearm blow on the Cardiff player blocking him? Looked deliberate to me

Yeah, looked nasty to me.  Fortunately for Gunnarsson it ended up more of a box to the ear.  Gerrard has a nasty streak to him when he ready... seems to me that was some of that coming out.  Cardiff putting up a fight, but barely.  If not fuh de woodwork dis game over with long time... no disrespect to them.

1-1 in Extra time (98')

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Craig Bellamy have to be wondering if he invisible...  I dunno what going on with the midfielders that they failing to spot this man runs down the left wing.

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

Bellamy running like a beast since he on..Jus hit one over.

[Bakes]

Dirk facking Kuyt!!!

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

Kuyt wit a goal...hard luck Cardiff
Cardiff running on dead legs

[kaliman2006]

Nice strike by one of Liverpool's most dedicated players.

2-1 Liverpool.

Match is not over yet.

[Bakes]

Kuyt wit a goal...hard luck Cardiff
Cardiff running on dead legs

Man dropping every five minutes... yuh hate to see that, but the pace at which this game was played was ridiculous.  Ray Clemence made a shrewd point at the start of extra time when he said the Championship teams play at a breakneck pace game in game out, 2-3 games a week.  He said that what they lacked in technique they might make up for in fitness.  I have to say though, they seem worse for wear today.

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Liverpool looking to fack up de scenes going into this defensive bunker with Suarez up front by himself.  Whole game we bossing possession, now all a sudden we letting them keep possession.


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So said... so muthafacking done... 2-2  28' steups!

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

EQUALIZER! what a game..corner before kuyt cleared off the line

This is madness!

[D.H.W]

 

[kaliman2006]

Nice strike by one of Liverpool's most dedicated players.

2-1 Liverpool.

Match is not over yet.

Damn, I goat mout mih own team.

Given Liverpool's strange season, this is not surprising though

[giggsy11]

Agreed! 

[Bakes]

Kenny loss de plot dey.

[kaliman2006]

You deserve to laugh. This game is symptomatic of Liverpool's season thus far.

[kaliman2006]

Kenny loss de plot dey.

As if Kuyt's clearance off the goal line was not warning enough....

Whatever happens in the shootout, at this point, Liverpool simply eh ready. They don't have the killer instinct of a Manchester United or Manchester City.

[Bakes]

We still taking this... but on the strength of that shit we do dey, Cardiff would be hard done by with a loss.

Reina saving at least one.

[giggsy11]

Suarez to sky one!-Ah mean Charlie Adams!

[ckhan]

WOW!

[Bakes]

Ridiculous!!

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

finally someone scores

[ckhan]

now everbody scoring...

[Bakes]

Hard luck young Gerrard...

[giggsy11]

Cardiff had their chance.

[ckhan]

Hard to lose on pens...great game for the Carling Cup.

[kaliman2006]

Hard luck young Gerrard...

Nice touch that Steven consoled his cousin.

Penalties are always the cruelest way to decide a final.

Cardiff played extremely well and definitely should fell hard done by. This team left everything on the pitch.