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Offline Dutty

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Re: US refused to support Iran attack
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2009, 06:04:10 PM »
Actually I wasn't thinking about a hypothetical antagonistic state, I was thinking about the US.


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Re: US refused to support Iran attack
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2009, 06:16:07 PM »
Actually I wasn't thinking about a hypothetical antagonistic state, I was thinking about the US.

As for the KJI issue, they have had nuclear arms for how long now and we still her and there is no imminent threat from them just having it. Clearly there is a difference between exerting one's influence within one's country and being a nuclear aggressor to other nations. That is a big leap and there is no evidence of KJI being prepared or even interested in making.

I'm not sure how your statements pertain to the US... I thought we were dealing specifically with the current tensions between Iran and Israel.

"Attacking them, killing innocent people, to prevent the LIKELY attainment of arms, and their POSSIBLE (in no way guaranteed) use against a nother nation is wrong. Too many unkowns in that equation to sanction the killing of people. In a sense it is saying we WILL terrorize your people on the off chance that you MIGHT terrorize ours."


I can only assume that you're referring here to the War in Iraq... a criticism which I have no problem with, no nation should be attacked on simple premise and w/o cause.  Certainly where "preemptive" attack is concerned.

As for North Korea... it's only been 5 yrs since the DPRK developed it's nuclear weaponry, it certainly would take time for them to perfect it and even then for the right opportunity to present itself.  Even so, the North Koreans are very desirous of participation in the global arena, and this has been the one carrot that the West has been able to dangle before them.  In fact this is the central failing of the Bush Administration where the DPRK is concerned... once dialogue was removed from the table, Kim, sensing he had nothing to lose, went ahead with the nuclear program anyways.  This is the core of Obama's decision to meet w/o pre-conditions... deal more equitably with the 'rogue' nations rather than assume the position of school marm that Bush favored.

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Re: US refused to support Iran attack
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2009, 07:27:09 PM »
Iran missile Test vs Israel July 2008 ( TV PROPAGANDA )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCS9E9V3Z8&feature=related

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Re: US refused to support Iran attack
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2009, 09:49:23 PM »
  Because israel is the only entity in the region that has good intentions and is geared towards democracy and equality for all.  israel is the only one that can be deeply trusted to seek goodwill and diplomacy with its neighbours and all they want is peace and harmony for themselves and everybody else.  The Islamic fundamentalists, however, are only interested in wiping israel off the map and spreading terrorism to the usa and all it's allies because the see freedom, democracy and capitalism as the scourge of all mankind.  They only want all occupants of the earth to be muslim and would use nuclear weaponry to enforce that doctrine.  That is why israel and not Iran may have nuclear weapons.

Chow you can't really believe that this is th ereason why Israel gets support. Israel gets support basically because there is a powerful pro-Jewish lobby/sentiment in the US.

The real reason Israel gets all the US support has less to do with the Jewish Lobby than the fact that Christianity believes that Jews are God's chosen people and Jesus will not come again until and unless Jerusalem is firmly in the hands of Israel!

Americans like to boast they are a christian nation, if you guys say what was written on smart bombs, missiles etc. being launched into Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War you would know what I mean.

On another point, Japan were not surrendering despite being beaten badly.  Thye refused and the US president had an obvious mandate to secure victory without too much more American lives being lost as wella s to demonstrate to the rogue soviet Union...."We have the BOMB!"

Mind you, the US developed the bomb with LOTS of help from the UK and Canada!  The Canucks at their Chalk river facility, and UK with their Tube Alloys directive.

In fact both those operations, the one in Canada and the Uk were way ahead of the US program........they had the makings of the first A bomb!

But all ah dem were offspring of the French and German programs........US was far behind and did not even want a Bomb...they used Einstein to sell it in the US!
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North Korea announces that they have 'weaponized' Plutonium
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2009, 04:04:53 PM »
North Korea Says It Has ‘Weaponized’ Plutonium

January 18, 2009

By CHOE SANG-HUN

SEOUL, South Korea — The North Korean military declared an “all-out confrontational posture” against South Korea on Saturday as an American scholar said North Korean officials told him they had “weaponized” enough plutonium for roughly four or five nuclear bombs.

American intelligence officials have previously estimated that the North had harvested enough fuel for six or more bombs, although it has never been clear whether the North constructed the weapons. The scholar, Selig S. Harrison, said the officials had not defined what “weaponized” meant, but the implication was that they had built nuclear arms.

The North conducted a test of a nuclear device in 2006, but it appeared to result in a fizzle and experts concluded the explosion was relatively smallWhile the country has often claimed to possess a “deterrent,” this appears to be the first time it has quantified how much plutonium it says it has turned into weapons. .

After the threats on Saturday, South Korea ordered its military to heighten vigilance along the heavily fortified border with North Korea, according to a spokesman for the South Korean military joint chiefs of staff.

North Korea’s saber-rattling toward the South has increased in intensity since President Lee Myung-bak took office in Seoul a year ago with a vow to take a tougher stance on North Korea, reversing 10 years of his liberal predecessors’ efforts to engage the North with economic aid. But what made the threat on Saturday unusual, and more worrisome to some South Korean analysts, was the way it was delivered: in a statement read on North Korean television by a uniformed spokesman for the North’s joint chiefs of staff.

“Strong military measures will follow from our revolutionary armed force,” the spokesman, a colonel, said, according to Yonhap, South Korea’s national news agency, which monitors North Korean broadcasts.

Usually the North Korean government issues written statements that are delivered by the state-controlled media; sometimes the statements are read by press officers, not by a uniformed member of the military.

The spokesman warned of a clash along a disputed western sea border between the Koreas. Their navies fought skirmishes there in 1999 and 2002. It is always difficult to decipher the messages that North Korea’s government is trying to send with its often bombastic statements. In times of crucial bargaining, North Korea often tries to drive a wedge between Washington and South Korea and raises the stakes by increasing demands and issuing threats.

With President-elect Barack Obama about to take office and negotiations over the North’s nuclear program expected to resume, it is possible that the North is merely setting up its negotiating position. But analysts said the North’s remarks could also be an indication that it was intending to hold onto its arms despite an agreement it signed with five countries including the United States in 2005, in which it committed to eventually giving up any nuclear weapons. The exact conditions under which it would do so were left vague.

Questions over the health of the country’s leader, Kim Jong-il, also complicate any attempts to understand North Korea’s aims. In August, there were reports that Mr. Kim suffered a stroke, and since then rumors have swirled about whether he is still making important decisions.

Mr. Harrison, the scholar, presented North Korea’s claims of weaponization on Saturday in Beijing after returning from North Korea’s capital, Pyongyang.

Mr. Harrison, a former journalist who is the director of the Asia program at the Center for International Policy, has traveled several times to North Korea to meet with senior officials there.

“They’ve raised the bar and said, ‘We are a nuclear weapons state, and deal with us on that basis,’ ” Mr. Harrison said at a news conference in the St. Regis Hotel.

Mr. Harrison acknowledged that North Korea could be bluffing to use the claim of having nuclear weapons as a negotiating tactic.

North Korea had declared to the United States last year that it possessed 37 kilograms of plutonium; officials told Mr. Harrison on his trip that they had weaponized almost 31 kilograms.

Despite that news, he said all the officials he met with seemed eager to open discussions with the incoming Obama administration. “All the statements about Obama were very helpful, very respectful,” he said.

Mr. Harrison said the North Korean officials had several proposals for Mr. Obama, including allowing North Korea to have access to long-term, low-interest credit to buy food.


South Korea had no immediate reaction to Mr. Harrison’s report.

Earlier Saturday, North Korea had appeared to toughen its stance toward Washington, saying that reopening diplomatic ties would not be enough to persuade it to give up its nuclear weapons. It said it would maintain its “status as a nuclear weapons state” as long as there was a nuclear threat from the United States.

“We can live without normalizing ties with the United States, but we cannot live without a nuclear deterrent,” a spokesman for North Korea’s Foreign Ministry told its official news agency, KCNA.

In the past, the North had said it would not dismantle any weapons until the United States changed what it termed its “hostile attitude.”

In the spokesman’s comments, and his similar statement last Tuesday, North Korea laid out its demands as it prepared for a new series of negotiations with Mr. Obama, who will be inaugurated on Tuesday.

In its Tuesday statement, North Korea indicated that the removal of an American nuclear threat meant the removal of South Korea from the American nuclear umbrella, the introduction of a verification mechanism to ensure that no American atomic weapons are deployed in or pass through South Korea, and even simultaneous nuclear disarmament talks among “all nuclear states,” including itself.

Six-nation talks on ending North Korea’s nuclear programs, which include the United States, stalled in the last months of the Bush administration as the United States and North Korea bickered over how much nuclear inspection the North should accept.


Edward Wong contributed reporting from Beijing, and David E. Sanger from Washington.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/world/asia/18korea.html?_r=2&hp

 

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