U-20s lose again in Brazil

[E-man]

U-20s lose again in Brazil.
Trinidad Newsday.

Trinidad and Tobago's national Under-20 footballers were defeated 4-1 by the Under-23 team of Brazilian First Division club Palmeiras in a warm-up match in Brazil Saturday.

In their continued build-up to Under-20 World Cup qualifying action, the local U-20s were down 2-1 at the half-time interval.

T&T fell behind in the 32nd minute but pulled a goal back through forward Andel Noray in the 44th minute. But Palmeiras grabbed the lead again in the 46th and added further items in the 65th and 71st minutes.

Head coach Zoran Vranes' team created eight changes in the second half and despite the loss, Vranes felt his charges were improving ahead of their opening qualifying match against Canada on March 7 at the Marvin Lee Stadium.

"We made several simple mistakes which led to the goals. It was a much better performance against stronger opposition which also had U-23 professional players in the Palmeiras team," Vranes told TTFF Media

"We will continue our preparations and hope to get better results because it will do good for our confidence before we return home," he added.

T&T were due to face First Division club Guarani Futebol Club in Sao Paulo yesterday.T&T U20s lose again.
Trinidad Guardian.

T&T’s National Under 20 footballers continued their build up to Under 20 World Cup qualifying action with a warm-up encounter against the Under 23 team of Brazilian First Division club Palmeiras on Saturday. The hosts came away 4-1 winners after leading the T&T boys 2-1 at the half time interval.

T&T fell behind in the 32nd minute but pulled a goal back through forward Andel Noray in the 44th minute. But Palmeiras grabbed the lead again in the 46th and added further items in the 65th and 71st minutes. Head coach Zoran Vranes made eight substitutions in the second half and despite the loss, felt his team was improving on the tour ahead of their opening qualifying match against Canada on March 7 at the Marvin Lee Stadium.

T&T was expected to play agains First Division’s Guarani Futebol Club in Sao Paulo yesterday. After opening Under 20 World Cup qualifying against Canada on March 7, T&T will then face Costa Rica on March 9 and Mexico on March 11.

[Bourbon]

More we sweat in peace time..the less we bleed in war. And given the group we get for this.....if we doh prepare enough....it might be like if we have haemophilia. Keep yuh head up fellas....once we get the result we want in the end.

[ZANDOLIE]

Well now at least they starting to score against quality opposition.

[WestCoast]

Well now at least they starting to score against quality opposition.

that AND I would think that 3 years makes a big difference...ent?

[ZANDOLIE]

Well now at least they starting to score against quality opposition.

AND I would think that 3 years makes a big difference...ent?

I think in this case it was fitness and quality that probably kill them.

[WestCoast]

Well now at least they starting to score against quality opposition.

AND I would think that 3 years makes a big difference...ent?

I think in this case it was fitness and quality that probably kill them.

Ya kno what I would like to see is that when there is a tryout that MORE than two players pass de damn thing.....
if only the TTFF could encourage the youngsters to do what is required to pass or even excel at these fitness tests that they give to select a team.
That would be sweet
ya kno, like what Mango was talkin about in THAT other thread

[doc]

U-20s lose again in Brazil.
Trinidad Newsday.

T&T U20s lose again.
Trinidad Guardian.

T&T’s National Under 20 footballers continued their build up to Under 20 World Cup qualifying action with a warm-up encounter against the Under 23 team of Brazilian First Division club Palmeiras on Saturday. The hosts came away 4-1 winners after leading the T&T boys 2-1 at the half time interval.

T&T fell behind in the 32nd minute but pulled a goal back through forward Andel Noray in the 44th minute. But Palmeiras grabbed the lead again in the 46th and added further items in the 65th and 71st minutes. Head coach Zoran Vranes made eight substitutions in the second half and despite the loss, felt his team was improving on the tour ahead of their opening qualifying match against Canada on March 7 at the Marvin Lee Stadium.

T&T was expected to play agains First Division’s Guarani Futebol Club in Sao Paulo yesterday. After opening Under 20 World Cup qualifying against Canada on March 7, T&T will then face Costa Rica on March 9 and Mexico on March 11.

Happy to see this Phoenix youth in the mix. Brilliant!

[madness]

we neeed to view the games

[NYtriniwhiteboy..]

how much yuh want to bet is the pace of the brazilian teams that we cudnt handle..
I said it before any side with pace killing our U20. They just don't seem to kno how to deal with it

[Ngozi]

how much yuh want to bet is the pace of the brazilian teams that we cudnt handle..
I said it before any side with pace killing our U20. They just don't seem to kno how to deal with it

not only that the mentality is probably that they playing brazil teams so they don't think they could beat the teams and expect to lose ....they have to learn and they have to believe in what they doing .....let the beatings continue .......

[Filho]

i obviously didn't see the game....but if we really played an Under 23 Palmeiras team, then that is a respectable scoreline.

[Deeks]

The U-20 lack pace and have mental problems. Maybe the trip was well worth it.

[Observer]

Playing against a club team of good quality can be very difficult, sometimes more so than another National selection. Club teams spend more time together, are usually very organized, with instinctive understanding and more efficient at set play.

[Ngozi]

i obviously didn't see the game....but if we really played an Under 23 Palmeiras team, then that is a respectable scoreline.

I'm gonna have to disagree 4-1 is not an acceptable score!

[Filho]

i obviously didn't see the game....but if we really played an Under 23 Palmeiras team, then that is a respectable scoreline.

I'm gonna have to disagree 4-1 is not an acceptable score!

fair enough. I am not going off of much because I didn't see the game. So maybe you're right. And it sounds like they didn't play badly. But what are you basing your judgement on? Palmeiras is historically one of the biggest clubs in Brazil. In general, the youth teams from the top clubs are exceptionally good because of the way the system is set up. Because they expect to sell a few of their top players every year, they develop a strong pipeline of talent to replace them immediately and be able to play at the highest level in Brazil. Add to the fact that they are playing us on home soil, and they are older and I'm not surprised when we lose by at least 2 goals. Remember it's a Palmeiras Under 23 team, not an Under 20 team. It's also Brazil, so Palmeiras has a much deeper, more talented player pool to pick from than we do..even if they just stick to youths from Sao Paulo. Any Under 23 team from a respectable professional club in Europe and SA will be odds on favorite to beat our Under 20 team on home soil. At least that is the theory I was basing my oinion on. Just a generalization. The reality could be something different given these two specific teams......

respect

edit: this is probably the team they played. Plameiras B. The players seem all to be Under 23 and they play in the Paulista 3rd division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociedade_Esportiva_Palmeiras_B

[ZANDOLIE]

In context the loss is not really indicative of the team's capability or lack thereof. They are missing Primus, Molino, Hyland (if he is part of Vranes plans) Gay and Steven Knox, arguably the best at their respective positions in the country. 

We need to get a final selection together and play them right thru. Games against former foes like Honduras and Peru will help them see how much they have improved.

[freakazoid]

U-20s lose again in Brazil.
Trinidad Newsday.

T&T U20s lose again.
Trinidad Guardian.

T&T’s National Under 20 footballers continued their build up to Under 20 World Cup qualifying action with a warm-up encounter against the Under 23 team of Brazilian First Division club Palmeiras on Saturday. The hosts came away 4-1 winners after leading the T&T boys 2-1 at the half time interval.

T&T fell behind in the 32nd minute but pulled a goal back through forward Andel Noray in the 44th minute. But Palmeiras grabbed the lead again in the 46th and added further items in the 65th and 71st minutes. Head coach Zoran Vranes made eight substitutions in the second half and despite the loss, felt his team was improving on the tour ahead of their opening qualifying match against Canada on March 7 at the Marvin Lee Stadium.

T&T was expected to play agains First Division’s Guarani Futebol Club in Sao Paulo yesterday. After opening Under 20 World Cup qualifying against Canada on March 7, T&T will then face Costa Rica on March 9 and Mexico on March 11.

Happy to see this Phoenix youth in the mix. Brilliant!

nice to see scobee in d mix

[weary1969]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

[ZANDOLIE]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

[weary1969]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

Explain 2 me d dumb one how yuh get dat from d post. All I want 2 know is dat despite d defeats u seeing improvement. All yuh men in a permanent state of PMS.

[Trini _2026]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

Explain 2 me d dumb one how yuh get dat from d post. All I want 2 know is dat despite d defeats u seeing improvement. All yuh men in a permanent state of PMS.

Weary always in some cuss out

[weary1969]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

Explain 2 me d dumb one how yuh get dat from d post. All I want 2 know is dat despite d defeats u seeing improvement. All yuh men in a permanent state of PMS.

Weary always in some cuss out

I have an idiot radar.

[ZANDOLIE]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

Explain 2 me d dumb one how yuh get dat from d post. All I want 2 know is dat despite d defeats u seeing improvement. All yuh men in a permanent state of PMS.

And all I want to know is if you were implying that they were lazy...and point out where I said they were improving

[weary1969]

Progress is Vranes seeing growth in any part of their game?

Yuh implying they lazy? Before this training stint their opposition for the last 6 months was El Salvador, Surinam St. Vincent  and Guyana. And Crab Connection

If they not progressing Vranes and TTFF have only to look into the mirror to see why.

Explain 2 me d dumb one how yuh get dat from d post. All I want 2 know is dat despite d defeats u seeing improvement. All yuh men in a permanent state of PMS.

And all I want to know is if you were implying that they were lazy...and point out where I said they were improving

How lazy come up wit asking 4 improvement? Now is d time 2 get licks March is 2 insure dey ready 2 win.

[fatimarima]

Was never impressed with vranes.  He seems to be a decent coach but he does not seem to be able to bring out the best in Trini players