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Lawrence Duprey/Clico Thread.
« on: January 30, 2009, 10:19:07 AM »
Anybody woking or know somebody woking CLICO downtown?

I hear police outside dey with guns and commotion going on.

Waiting for the news to hear the bacchanal.


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Re: CLICO
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 10:36:17 AM »
Anybody woking or know somebody woking CLICO downtown?

I hear police outside dey with guns and commotion going on.

Waiting for the news to hear the bacchanal.

 Mih wife working CIB no guns and thing they just waiting to hear what going on , Montiel start a run on the bank last week and ah think they either going and say that the bank strong or wind up nothing in between.
Ah feel is the former because Monteil in the press conference.
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Re: CLICO
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 11:23:12 AM »
This man twittering from the press conference:
http://twitter.com/keith_in_tnt

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 11:27:38 AM »
It on 91.1 now as of 1:25 PM


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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 12:33:22 PM »
clico need bailout, central bank takes over clico investment bank
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Re: CLICO
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 02:07:13 PM »
wow, well daz d end of trinidad

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 02:10:31 PM »
CLICO have investment in Ft Lauderdale Fl.  Huge Hotels and de economy here cracked. 

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Re: CLICO
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 03:45:55 PM »
Government to bailout CL Financial
Published: January 30th, 2009

In a press release today it was announced that Government will bailout CL Financial, the parent company of Clico and Angostura.

Key points disclosed

• CL Financial is to divert its 55 per cent stake in Republic Bank and Methanol Holdings

• First Citizens will gain control of company's Republic Bank shares.


• Central Bank Governor assures depositors and policyholders that their money is safe.

• Mr Duprey says this is "not a crisis" it is the early addressing of the situation, a pre-emptive action.

Started out as a holding company for Colonial Life Insurance Company (Trinidad) Limited (Clico) in 1993, CL Financial is now one of the largest local conglomerates in the region, encompassing over 65 companies in 32 countries worldwide.

According to the company's website, its Industry Sectors range from:

•Banking & Financial Services
•Energy & Petrochemicals
•Forestry & Agriculture
•General Insurance
•Life Insurance
•Manufacturing, Retail & Distribution
•Marine Services
•Medical Services
•Real Estate
•Banking & Financial Services
•Energy & Petrochemicals
•Forestry & Agriculture
•General Insurance
•Life Insurance
•Manufacturing, Retail & Distribution
•Marine Services
•Medical Services
•Real Estate

What exactly does this mean...that First Citizen control Republic Bank money ??
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 04:00:43 PM »
GOVT BAILS OUT CLICO
Breaking News   

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161432124

Central Bank Governor Ewart Williams has announced that the Bank and the Ministry of Finance have taken control of the assets and liabilities of Colonial Life Insurance Company, Clico Investment Bank (CIB) and Caribbean Money Market Brokers (CMMB).

Following is the full text of the statement made by Central Bank Governor Ewart Williams at a press conference today:

Some of you may know that CIB has been facing liquidity challenges over the past few weeks. These challenges came to a head in the last few days when the bank began to face an unusually high level of withdrawal requests which put a strain on their available liquid resources. Clico has also been facing liquidity problems, though nowhere near the levels of CIB. Of course, given the close integration of these two financial institutions within the CL Financial Group. It is just a matter of time before Clico also begin to come under severe liquidity pressures. The Inspector of Financial Institutions and the Governor of the Central Bank met with the Chairman and Chief Financial Officer of CL Financial on January 7 2009. In a second meeting on January 13, 2009, Clico’s Chairman formally raised the issue of possible financial assistance from the Central Bank.

There is no doubt that the increase in CIB withdrawals and the nervousness seen at Clico have something to do with the depositors’ concerns about the impact of the sharp decline in methanol and real estate prices on CL Financial’s overall financial situation. In the Bank’s view however, the current financial difficulties being faced by CIB and Clico have more to do with four things:

*Excessive related-party transactions which carry significant contagion risks. I should note that the high level of concentration is not specifically prohibited by the present legislation.

*An aggressive high interest rate resource mobilization strategy to finance an equally high risk investments, much of which are in illiquid assets (including real estate both in Trinidad and Tobago and abroad).

*A very high leveraging of the Group’s assets, which constrains the potential amount of cash that could be raised from the asset sales. In our regular monitoring of CIB and of Clico since 2004 (when insurance supervision was transferred from the Ministry of Finance), the Central bank has consistently focused on these deficiencies but have been stymied by the inevitable challenge of change and by inadequacies in the legislative framework which do not give the Bank the authority to demand these changes. The Central bank is very conscious of the contagion risks that financial difficulties in an institution as vast as the CL Financial Group could have on the entire financial system of Trinidad and Tobago and indeed in the entire Caribbean region. For the record, ladies and gentlemen, the CL Financial Group has an imposing presence with potentially systemic consequences for the financial sector and the economy of Trinidad and Tobago and the entire region. For example:

1 The Group controls over ($100) billion of assets in at least 28 companies located throughout the Region and the world.

2 The Group’s financial interests cover several industry sectors including banking and financial services, energy, real estate and manufacturing and distribution. The four largest financial institutions in the Group manage assets of over $38 billion, over 25 percent of the country’s GDP.

3 In addition to Clico, among the Group’s holdings is the British American Insurance Company Limited, which is one of the main insurance companies in the Eastern Caribbean.

After intense discussions over the past week the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and representatives of the CL Financial Group have reached agreement on a strategy to deal with the liquidity challenges of CIB and Clico and to address the underlying problems that have given rise to the current financial stress.

The principal objectives of the strategy are to ensure that resources are available to meet withdrawals of third-party CIB depositors and Clico policy holders; to protect the funds of the depositors and policy holders and in so doing maintain confidence in Clico and reinforce confidence in the financial sector as a whole. The main elements of the strategy are as follows:

*The Central Bank will take control of CIB under section 44D of the Central Bank Act.

*Early next week all the third-party assets and liabilities on the books of CIB and CMMB will be transferred to First Citizens Bank. These liabilities will be matched by resources from the sale of CIB’s holdings of certain high quality assets. The Central Bank will provide short term liquidity as needed to ensure that these liabilities are serviced.

*Following the execution of these transactions, CIB’s banking license will be revoked.

*Clico has a sizeable Statutory Fund deficit. CL Financial has agreed to divest additional assets to help fund this deficit. The Government has committed to provide any additional funding that is needed by Clico.

*Government funding will be provided in exchange for collateral and an equity interest in Clico. It will also act as a catalyst for implementing a change in the current business model and corporate governance structure of Clico. The intention will be to return Clico to its original moorings.

I would like to emphasize that these considerable steps being taken – by the CL Financial Group, the Government and the Central Bank are specifically designed to tell CIB’s depositors that your funds are safe and to maintain confidence in Clico which for decades has been the strength of the insurance sector in Trinidad and Tobago and in the region. Clico’s policy holders can also be assured that the long term future of Clico will be guaranteed by the adoption of a more robust and less risky model. Because any stress in one corner of the financial system tends to raise concerns throughout the sector.

I would also take the opportunity to remind the national community of the tremendous strength of our financial system, which indeed is the envy of the region. Excluding CIB, the banking system now boast of an average capital adequacy level of 18 per cent, compared with a recommended minimum of 8 per cent; in contrast to the illiquidity of CIB, the rest of the banking system is plagued by excess liquidity; the overall level of non-performing loans is an impressively low 2 per cent and the banks have more than adequate level of provisions against bad loans.

Let me support the point raised by Minister Tesheira on the need to accelerate some aspects of the new Insurance Act on which we have been working for some time in collaboration with industry stakeholders. We absolutely need updated insurance legislation to regulate the insurance industry in normal times as well as in times of financial stress.

The ‘fast track’ amendments to the 1980 Insurance Act that are being proposed will provide us with the authority to conduct on-site supervision; will give us the legal basis to share information with other regulators (I should note that CLICO and its affiliate British American have vast regional operations) and will allow the Central Bank to take prompt corrective action to protect depositors, if and when necessary. Before ending I would like to acknowledge the high level of cooperation that we have received from Mr. Duprey in our efforts to address what must be a very difficult period for the CL Financial Group.

I should also recognize the role of First Citizens Bank in doing its part to help stabilize the banking system. Resolving the problems of Clico will call for continued collaboration between CL Financial, Government and the Central Bank, but moreso on the collaboration of the entire financial community led by ATTIC and BATT. While it is currently a CL Financial problem, only the concerted and vigorous action of the entire financial sector would stave off financial contagion. This is not the time for companies to take advantage of CIB/Clico’s problems to expand their balance sheet; this is the time to let competition take a back seat and to support the Government and the Central Bank to keep Clico as a functioning entity and to ensure the continued stability of our financial system.

The actions that we will be taking over the next several weeks and months will only work if they have the support of the community of depositors and policyholders as well as the entire financial sector. We are confident that the proposed strategy will lead to a financial sector that is more resilient to deal with the adverse currents now buffeting the global economy.
   


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Re: CLICO
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »
Trini's fear not, the Right Honorable Patrick Obama Manning will take
care of all failing institutions with a Government backstop, ...........
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, that would be using tax payor funds, of course.

For those folks in Trinidad, yuh ent see nuttin yet.

Restaurants closing down, housing prices on the decline,
bankS in trouble (don't fool yourself and think for one minute
it's only Clico facing pressure). The global recession/depression
(educate yourself, and Google the name Nouriel Roubini) is going
to hit Trinidad very very hard.

Be prepared!

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 04:14:42 PM »
it go be hard to find jobs now
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 04:17:47 PM »
Hmmm so First Citizens now own Republic?

Watch all dem people who money jump up with HCU cry foul/racism/class-warfare etc etc.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 04:24:04 PM »
 :-\  half of my savings invested with CIB yes.

Well the governor and MOF say we money safe........- i hope is no trouble to get nah.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 04:28:21 PM »
  half of my savings invested with CIB yes

Believe me yuh not d only one brudder ... alot of we d same boat

Just waiting for d wife to cuss
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Re: CLICO
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 04:40:49 PM »
Fishs was it you or somebody else and me that had a nice thread going on like lass year bout CLICO and ANSA McAL ???

ahhhh  money management is ah hellahva ting eh :-\

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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 04:54:11 PM »
Hmmm so First Citizens now own Republic?

Watch all dem people who money jump up with HCU cry foul/racism/class-warfare etc etc.

That done start already. Check the comments in the Express
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 04:56:05 PM »
Hmmm so First Citizens now own Republic?

Watch all dem people who money jump up with HCU cry foul/racism/class-warfare etc etc.

dais dem own fault when enill say investigate harry gather up the tribal troops cause he knew d anti-PNMism and other isms woulda overshadow good sense, I personally here a indian woman say "doh leh dem nigga interfere wit we money" around that time. ah not sayin it good that dey loss money but, we does let dis nigga/coolie shit f**k we up to much
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Re: CLICO
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 04:56:48 PM »
Trini's fear not, the Right Honorable Patrick Obama Manning will take
care of all failing institutions with a Government backstop, ...........
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, that would be using tax payor funds, of course.

For those folks in Trinidad, yuh ent see nuttin yet.

Restaurants closing down, housing prices on the decline,
bankS in trouble (don't fool yourself and think for one minute
it's only Clico facing pressure). The global recession/depression
(educate yourself, and Google the name Nouriel Roubini) is going
to hit Trinidad very very hard.

Be prepared!

Be prepared for what? Nothing going and happen to Trinidadians before, during and after Carnival.
Furthermore the government taking over a company assets doesn't put anyone on the bread line, in fact it's a plus. If it was a privately owned company that took over CLICO, eg Citrus Growers Association (Blue Waters take dem over) every man jack was layoff and within 2 years CGA was no more.

I want to hear Duprey's side ah story bad. He might start to blame he 'handyman' Assam for this :-\
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2009, 04:59:27 PM »
Boy oh Boy!!! What go happen to Jabloteh. This is a shock.

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Re: CLICO
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2009, 04:59:33 PM »
Hmmm so First Citizens now own Republic?

Watch all dem people who money jump up with HCU cry foul/racism/class-warfare etc etc.

dais dem own fault when enill say investigate harry gather up the tribal troops cause he knew d anti-PNMism and other isms woulda overshadow good sense, I personally here a indian woman say "doh leh dem nigga interfere wit we money" around that time. ah not sayin it good that dey loss money but, we does let dis nigga/coolie shit f**k we up to much

so wait nuh
FCB is for black people money and RB was for indian money ??? look doh kill meh here today nuh  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So where dey white people money, dey dougla money and chinee people does go den ???


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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2009, 05:00:32 PM »
mine is scotia.
soon ah go b ah lean mean bulling machine.

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2009, 05:04:57 PM »
Hmmm so First Citizens now own Republic?

Watch all dem people who money jump up with HCU cry foul/racism/class-warfare etc etc.

dais dem own fault when enill say investigate harry gather up the tribal troops cause he knew d anti-PNMism and other isms woulda overshadow good sense, I personally here a indian woman say "doh leh dem nigga interfere wit we money" around that time. ah not sayin it good that dey loss money but, we does let dis nigga/coolie shit f**k we up to much

so wait nuh
FCB is for black people money and RB was for indian money ??? look doh kill meh here today nuh  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So where dey white people money, dey dougla money and chinee people does go den ???


dno dat was not d point, When u money involved tribe must take a back seat check u self, had Enill not been forced to back off HCU might have been contained long before the disaster, u dig
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2009, 05:18:09 PM »
Fishs was it you or somebody else and me that had a nice thread going on like lass year bout CLICO and ANSA McAL ???

ahhhh  money management is ah hellahva ting eh :-\

Yes it was me but the question was which was the biggest company or entity in TT , now yuh know is/was CLICO,
 

Anyhow is ah ste of dramatics in TT.

If they had not gone this way...... say GOTT had simply purchase assets, Meth holdings, Angostura, HCL, etc,
All this hulabaloo would have been moot.

Imagine from those assets you could even at the depressed situation put yuh hands on 30billion , why traumatise the country over what is essentially CIB and CL financial fooking up about 3 billion  and drying the groups liqiuidity,
in other words the group needs about 1billion every month to maintain business and over the past 6 months they start to juggle and then last week they get a serious run because they fire the CIB president and Montiel decide to pull over 50 mill out. Ah drinking lil bit because ah have about 10 thou US tie up.

Anyhow as Naipaul say TT full of alarmists and Duprey using that to' his own ends.

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Duprey
Monteil " remember is CIB funds he use for the HMB share purchase"
Richard Trotman
Calder Hart
Jack Warner
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2009, 05:24:01 PM »
mine under meh mattress  :sleepy:
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2009, 05:50:25 PM »
mine under meh mattress  :sleepy:

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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2009, 06:32:28 PM »
HCL peeps done strt 2 give pink slip.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2009, 06:35:58 PM »

Boysie Sing
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dem fellahs was teefin people money too?
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2009, 07:08:00 PM »
Trini's fear not, the Right Honorable Patrick Obama Manning will take
care of all failing institutions with a Government backstop, ...........
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, that would be using tax payor funds, of course.

For those folks in Trinidad, yuh ent see nuttin yet.

Restaurants closing down, housing prices on the decline,
bankS in trouble (don't fool yourself and think for one minute
it's only Clico facing pressure). The global recession/depression
(educate yourself, and Google the name) is going
to hit Trinidad very very hard.

Be prepared!

You must be Roubini's most ardent promoter ... :)

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2009, 08:31:57 PM »
at the end of the day the safest place to invest your money is

Scotia Bank
Unit Trust
First Citizens

All debt will be underwritten by the GOTT.

Problem is or was, UTC was only offering 7% while others were offering 12%.

Now when inflation is nearly 15% why not take the 12% and hope for the best.

Have no fear though
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2009, 11:17:59 PM »

Boysie Sing
Mano Benjamin

dem fellahs was teefin people money too?

Context

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