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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #150 on: May 26, 2009, 09:12:49 PM »
Yorke get mention yes...but not in a way we may like...lol



Why the European final is soccer's biggest game

by Anthony Sanchez, Bleacher Report


Back in the days when England's footballers spent as much time in the pub as they did on the pitch, when football shorts the world over were tight enough to cut off circulation to the legs and it was quite normal for top-class players to sport facial hair, every four years something remarkable used to happen for football fans.

The World Cup brought with it an escape from terrible pitches and a chance to see the very best the world had to offer. Moments of genius from exciting new players wowed the viewing public. Players sprung into the public consciousness of nations overnight.

Within hours they could take on a godlike status and like mythical characters, their reputation seemed to only increase during the four years away from the spotlight between World Cups.

These days even the best players struggle to achieve such a high standing. Every comment is reported, every bad performance or run of bad form is scrutinized.

A reputation can still be made in a World Cup tournament but just as easily it can ripped to pieces in the intervening four years.

The Champions League now provides the true litmus test for world football's finest. European cup glory may never hold the stature of winning a World Cup, perhaps even in the minds of the players themselves it will never tug the heart strings the same way achieving something for you country can, but in terms of quality it is light years ahead.


With limited time to prepare, narrow selection criteria and such large breaks between playing quality opposition can an international team of the same standard of an elite club side even be assembled?

Europe's big clubs are now almost limitless in their powers. Every squad competing in the Champions Leagues is bursting with football talent harvested from every corner of the globe. Players you might have seen every four years in the past can now be seen week in week out in Europe's big leagues. This year's Manchester United-Barcelona final is much more than just an intercity rivalry.

Nationals of Brazil, Argentina, France, Portugal, Serbia, Bulgaria, South Korea, Cameroon, Uruguay, Mali, Belarus, Iceland, and the Netherlands will all be in attendance alongside the native British and Spanish players providing an interest around the world that spills well over Europe's borders.

No dead weight will be taking to the pitch in Rome. Every player will be there by virtue of their talent. International managers may have to play with the cards that the gods of genetics dealt them, but managers at the highest level of European club football have already rigged the pack.

Players who have competed at the highest echelons of club football have been a glaring omission at World Cup finals. Ryan Giggs and George Weah's absences in recent years stand in stark comparison to the memory of Costa Rica's Paulo Wanchope or Trinidad and Tobago's Dwight Yorke lining up alongside their football nobody countrymen.

Similarly, the World Cup has produced more and more mismatches as the years have gone by.

Who can forget Scotland's Colin Hendry hopelessly trying to stop Brazil's Phenomenon in the opening game of France 98? Or Luca Toni against nearly every defense he's come up against?

The World Cup can no longer be considered the greatest test. It's without doubt still the world's premier sporting spectacle, but the highest quality of football is now played at the highest professional level. It transcends borders and tribal allegiances.

Come May 27, Rome's Stadio Olimpico will be hosting what should be the highest quality game of football to date. Barcelona and Manchester United's teams have been works in progress for years.

Having been brought together from the four corners of the earth, they have been refined and finely tuned everyday on the training ground. The result is two teams whose football ability stands head and shoulder above everyone around them.

This year's Champions League Final will be more than a normal game. It will be the culmination of over a century of football evolution, as it is every year. May the best team win.

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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #151 on: May 27, 2009, 04:51:08 AM »
boy i vex yesterday I wake up tired like a dog cyah bodge from d decide me eh goin nowhere, well i doh really keep track ah dates eh an', ah was lil groggy too, so it eh even dawn on me dat yesterday was d 26th, ah had to go out to work today >:(, vex,
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #152 on: May 27, 2009, 07:04:46 AM »
Yeah man..de big day reach! good luck to de ManU fans.

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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #153 on: May 27, 2009, 07:05:29 AM »
i jus wanna see a great game of football today

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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #154 on: May 27, 2009, 07:24:48 AM »
Any official release on Iniesta and Henry's fitness?
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #155 on: May 27, 2009, 07:42:55 AM »
Manchester United vs. Barcelona: Breaking down the dream final


Barcelona defense vs. Manchester United attack

When three-quarters of your starting back four are sidelined, you know things aren't looking good. But that's the reality facing Pep Guardiola, who'll be without Rafa Márquez, Daniel Alves and Éric Abidal (not to mention Gabi Milito, who has been out all year). Gerard Piqué has stepped it up since moving back to the Camp Nou this summer and will be ready to go against his former club.

Yaya Touré is a beast, but there is no escaping the fact that he'll be out of position at the heart of the defense, while whoever plays left back -- whether it's rarely used 35-year-old Sylvinho or the inexperienced Martín Cáceres -- looks badly overmatched. Carles Puyol, back at right back after his suspension in the semifinal second leg, will need to do his usual guts-and-glory routine to keep this makeshift group functioning. Goalkeeper Víctor Valdés, seen by some as a weak link, has been improving quietly and may be one of the game's top 10.

On the other side of the ball, Sir Alex Ferguson has liked the 4-3-3 in Champions League play with Cristiano Ronaldo reinvented as a center forward, Wayne Rooney on the left and Park Ji-Sung wide right. It has worked well: Ronaldo is peaking, Rooney's work rate on the wing is outstanding and Park is very dependable. Yet in a match like this, conventional wisdom would call for a guy like Dimitar Berbatov (who has blown hot and cold, despite being United's record signing) or possibly Carlos Tévez. Either way, United has plenty of options and a distinct advantage in this department.

Edge: Man. United.
Barcelona midfield vs. Manchester United midfield

With Touré switched to the back four and Andrés Iniesta not fully fit, Xavi will need to have a huge game. On his day, he can dominate with guile and accuracy (as can Iniesta, for that matter). The question is whether they'll be outmuscled by the opposition and, given Iniesta's lack of fitness, it's a legitimate issue. Rounding out the three (and replacing Touré as the enforcer) is Sergi Busquets, who, at 20, has been a revelation this season. If his nerves don't play up, he should be OK. He has the strength, intelligence and defensive prowess to let the skill players do their thing.

Darren Fletcher's suspension made headlines, but, in fact, Michael Carrick would have been a bigger loss. The former Tottenham and West Ham midfielder has been a human metronome in the middle of the park, making up for a lack of quickness with guile and strength while providing the kind of steady, reliable passing the front players crave. Anderson's progress has perhaps been slower than expected, but he brings energy and a forward threat. Paul Scholes, at 34, has lost a step, but his experience should see him through.

Edge: Barça, but only slightly.
Barcelona attack vs. Manchester United defense

Unless you've been living under a rock, you know that Lionel Messi (37 goals in 50 games), Samuel Eto'o (34 in 50) and Thierry Henry (26 in 41) have scored an outrageous 97 goals between them this season. It may well be the greatest front three in history. The question marks here come from Henry's fitness (he hasn't played in 3½ weeks) and whether Messi is played through the middle (which could isolate Eto'o out wide and negate any kind of aerial threat) or on the right (where he wouldn't have Dani Alves behind him, possibly negating his effectiveness). Still, Barça is absolutely loaded in this department.

Man. United enjoyed a long stretch of clean sheets and credit must go to Edwin van der Sar. The big Dutchman was one of the best in the world for the best part of the past two decades, yet, at 38, he also occasionally shows the signs of age. Nemanja Vidic was dominant in the first half of the season, now he has slowed a little, whereas Rio Ferdinand (who ordinarily complements him beautifully) is recovering from a calf injury and may not be at his best. Patrice Evra hasn't been as effective as he was last season (when, arguably, he was one of the top three left backs in the world) but he remains solid. At right back, likely starter John O'Shea is a jack-of-all-trades who makes up for a lack of natural athleticism with drive and intelligence.

Edge: Barça.
Barcelona bench vs. Manchester United bench

Barça is already stretched at the back and options are few and far between. Seydou Keita really is an attacking midfielder but, if pressed into action, will probably have to reinvent himself in a different position. Alexander Hleb has shown little this season, Eidur Gudjohnsen is on the wane and Bojan Krkic is still just a teenager (and a very undersized one at that).

So many options for United. Berbatov and Tévez would start on most teams, Ryan Giggs provides experience and brains, whether in the middle or out wide, Johnny Evans has been a hit at the back, as has Rafael. Nani was a bust this year, but it doesn't really matter when you have so many alternatives to choose from.

Edge: Man. United.
Guardiola vs. Ferguson

Taking charge of a club like Barcelona in your first season as a manager would have scared the pants off most men. Not Guardiola. He found a way to put together a well-balanced attacking side, helping guys like Eto'o and Henry not just coexist but thrive. Yet experience matters, and having been here as a player just isn't the same thing.

Sir Alex is a living legend who has rewritten the record books and enters his third Champions League final. His greatest asset may be his pragmatism: He has rebuilt and torn down United at least three times in his 23 years in charge, each time emerging stronger than before. And he can beat you in so many different ways.

Edge: Man. United.
X-Factor

Nobody has successfully defended the European Cup since AC Milan in the late 1980s, which doesn't bode too well for United. Logic (and Barcelona's absentees) should make Ferguson's crew favorites, and yet it looks too close to call. The fact that Messi is due a big game on the biggest stage of all just tips this one toward Barça.

Edge: Barça, slightly.
Keys to the game

Barcelona

1. Get the strikers (particularly Henry and Messi, as Eto'o always runs his butt off anyway) to work hard and press United in its own half when you don't have possession.

2. You have an edge in tight spaces; use it. This means push the back four up and congest the middle. Xavi, Messi and Iniesta can thread the needle with the best of them.

3. Don't get sucked forward. United is devastating on the break and, if it sits back, you'll be tempted to bomb on. If you do, keep your shape at the back or you'll pay a hefty price.

Manchester United

1. You have an enormous edge on set-pieces. Ronaldo, Vidic, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Rooney -- there is no way Barça can pick up everybody on corners and free kicks. Make sure you exploit this.

2. Don't raise the barricades. In last year's semifinal against this same team, you went ultra-defensive. You may be tempted to do so because it worked for Chelsea in this year's semis (at least to some degree). But this would be a mistake. You're not built to play that way and, besides, if you go a goal down, it will be that much harder to react.

3. Get physical. Not dirty, just physical. Henry will be hobbling anyway. Xavi and Iniesta don't measure up physically with your midfielders. Messi can be rattled, too. Just make sure you keep your discipline.


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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #156 on: May 27, 2009, 07:50:05 AM »


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« Reply #157 on: May 27, 2009, 08:49:32 AM »
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #158 on: May 27, 2009, 09:21:54 AM »
What is the exact time for this game ?

Any links for online viewing ?

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« Reply #159 on: May 27, 2009, 09:30:58 AM »
this article mek mi feel more worried about we make shift defence, but say wah we n going down without ah fight after all its a final, the champions league final at that.
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« Reply #160 on: May 27, 2009, 09:42:51 AM »
this article mek mi feel more worried about we make shift defence, but say wah we n going down without ah fight after all its a final, the champions league final at that.

I support both teams...buh...speaking without bias...i recognise that long time. I dunno why caceres eh getting a sweat..and if anything he naturally is a CB. Barca need Yaya in de midfield.....against chelsea dey needed him in defense cuz anelka and drogba eh short.....but now i doh think he necessary in the back.....dey go be thrown off with that. Pique could handle berbatov physically if he play.....and everybody else height manageable...unless ronaldo up front too. The key is the midfield battle. Anderson go harass inestia and xavi a lot....yaya could balance dat out. As it is...de weighting more in united's favour. And dahs jus me being honest. It go be real pressha if united midfield end up being carrick..anderson and park and yaya not there. Add to that...that leaving the front line to be any 3 of ronaldo...rooney..tevez and berbatov...the only real guess is either tevez or berbatov.

Fact is..no matter wha happens.....i just want to see a good game. Incidentally...Barca scoring first i think might cause that....United might be pragmatic and try to hit them on the counter if they score first.



Oh..and i feeling it. Today go be de day my boy anderson score he first.
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« Reply #161 on: May 27, 2009, 10:01:59 AM »
this article mek mi feel more worried about we make shift defence, but say wah we n going down without ah fight after all its a final, the champions league final at that.

I support both teams...buh...speaking without bias...i recognise that long time. I dunno why caceres eh getting a sweat..and if anything he naturally is a CB. Barca need Yaya in de midfield.....against chelsea dey needed him in defense cuz anelka and drogba eh short.....but now i doh think he necessary in the back.....dey go be thrown off with that. Pique could handle berbatov physically if he play.....and everybody else height manageable...unless ronaldo up front too. The key is the midfield battle. Anderson go harass inestia and xavi a lot....yaya could balance dat out. As it is...de weighting more in united's favour. And dahs jus me being honest. It go be real pressha if united midfield end up being carrick..anderson and park and yaya not there. Add to that...that leaving the front line to be any 3 of ronaldo...rooney..tevez and berbatov...the only real guess is either tevez or berbatov.

Fact is..no matter wha happens.....i just want to see a good game. Incidentally...Barca scoring first i think might cause that....United might be pragmatic and try to hit them on the counter if they score first.



Oh..and i feeling it. Today go be de day my boy anderson score he first.


Yuh boy say he will strip if he score today.

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« Reply #162 on: May 27, 2009, 10:04:42 AM »
i must say pep's lack of confidence in  Cáceres, really worry mi. i jus know that he has pace, i havent really seen much to make an indept analysis, but i havent heard anything bad about d yute. hope pep knows what he doing .
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« Reply #163 on: May 27, 2009, 10:05:24 AM »
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« Reply #164 on: May 27, 2009, 10:05:52 AM »
Damn I am excited for this match finally! I could not sleep and I can't wait to leave work!. United!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #165 on: May 27, 2009, 10:19:37 AM »
- It is Barça’s sixth appearance in the final. Of the previous five, they won two (1992 and 2006) and lost three (1961, 1986 y 1994). It is United’s fourth final, but they have won every time they have made it so far (1968, 1999 and 2008).


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 too bad that changing today
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« Reply #166 on: May 27, 2009, 10:20:12 AM »
this article mek mi feel more worried about we make shift defence, but say wah we n going down without ah fight after all its a final, the champions league final at that.

I support both teams...buh...speaking without bias...i recognise that long time. I dunno why caceres eh getting a sweat..and if anything he naturally is a CB. Barca need Yaya in de midfield.....against chelsea dey needed him in defense cuz anelka and drogba eh short.....but now i doh think he necessary in the back.....dey go be thrown off with that. Pique could handle berbatov physically if he play.....and everybody else height manageable...unless ronaldo up front too. The key is the midfield battle. Anderson go harass inestia and xavi a lot....yaya could balance dat out. As it is...de weighting more in united's favour. And dahs jus me being honest. It go be real pressha if united midfield end up being carrick..anderson and park and yaya not there. Add to that...that leaving the front line to be any 3 of ronaldo...rooney..tevez and berbatov...the only real guess is either tevez or berbatov.

Fact is..no matter wha happens.....i just want to see a good game. Incidentally...Barca scoring first i think might cause that....United might be pragmatic and try to hit them on the counter if they score first.



Oh..and i feeling it. Today go be de day my boy anderson score he first.


Yuh boy say he will strip if he score today.

I know. I done make up my mind i go take off de tv after de game if dat going and happen. If yuh does get a yellow for taking off yuh shirt...yuh could get a red for stripping ent?

i must say pep's lack of confidence in  Cáceres, really worry mi. i jus know that he has pace, i havent really seen much to make an indept analysis, but i havent heard anything bad about d yute. hope pep knows what he doing .

I eh see much of him either..buh i doh understand why you go pay 15 million to give a man no sweat. Come nah...yuh name Rafa? De man is a CB....use him and pique...put puyol on de right.....and leave yaya in de middle!

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« Reply #167 on: May 27, 2009, 11:05:50 AM »
Alright fellas I off to the game. Going into the same bar that I watched last year's final.

I can't make any predictions but I just hopping for a great game. It is a real opportunity we have here with the two best teams in Europe going at it.

I feel that Ferguson was not happy with the way they won the final on penalties last year, or the way they best Barcelona in the semis. he will want to show that this is not just his most successful team but one of his best.

Barcelona will be a real test for United's possession game. Barcelona are the masters of that and I oculd guarantee already that they will have more of the possession. It will be interesting to see what United does if they go ahead and Barcelona apply the full court press. Will it be backs to the wall and hit on the break or a more open back and forth encounter.

On the other hand if United goes down, how long will it be before Rooney, tevez, Berba and Ronaldo are on the pitch and will it work or leave United exposed.

Big test for Barcelona too. They tend to over-possess when they reach these big games. Their version of defence is not to sit back with 10 men but to not be as creative and take fewer risks than they would against weaker sides. They try above, all else, to not lose the ball in the middle of the pitch and they try to work the ball outside and back in, so that if they lose it their whole team is still between the ball and the goal. Messi and Ronaldo are good but the beauty of both these teams is that neither player is a one-man team because the collectives are so good.

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« Reply #168 on: May 27, 2009, 11:15:57 AM »
This final will also settle in some men's minds who is the best footballer on de planet. man U is the best side in England and Barca in Spain ..they also have the two best players in world football...one the holder of the title , the other, the heir apparent who some say has already won the award for this season ..no matter the outcome today.
The support players may well steal the show if tactics cancel out the best players. We have seen it happen in the semis where Chelsea cancelled out the threat of Messi. Ronaldo has been critisized for not showing his best on the big occassions but that could be because of tactics employed to stop him.
Sir Alex is a shrewd tactician and plays the game well in the press..... Berbatov and Eto'o for me are the ones who could topple the apple cart. On any other teams in the world these two players would have been the drawing cards. If for some reason they are given less than the attention they deserve one of them may well decide this tie ...
My take is man United to win ....
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« Reply #169 on: May 27, 2009, 11:25:41 AM »
Yeah well i looking to make a move soon..

This tie has the potential to be one of the greatest ever (although Liverpool fans may beg to differ), however I have a sneaky feeling that Manchester will sit back too much to make this the classic that it can be.

I just don't see Manchester being able to impose their will on this game. I expect them to sit back, hit on the counter and try to make use of the set pieces. On the other hand, I think barcelona will find it difficult getting through the United back four.

I looking for Messi to shine today because I consider this defence to be, physically an easier proposition than Chelsea was in the semis. I dont think Carrick/Scholes/Giggs can show the same work rate as Essien/Lampard/Ballack did to cover the LB position, so I looking for him to take it to them but that is just my personal opinion. At the same time, I expect Ferguson to try to exploit that soft under-belly and the weaknesses in Barca's full back position.

Really can't venture a guess on what we will see in the next 1 and a half hours, but looking forward to this one.

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« Reply #170 on: May 27, 2009, 11:30:20 AM »
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« Reply #173 on: May 27, 2009, 11:41:07 AM »
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« Reply #174 on: May 27, 2009, 11:45:17 AM »
wasnt glory glory ah leeds thing?
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« Reply #175 on: May 27, 2009, 11:49:11 AM »
nice manu playing 433


sylvinho starting at left back. basquets playing holding mid. toure in  defence and henry and inesita starting
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« Reply #176 on: May 27, 2009, 11:52:32 AM »
Well...we go hadda wait and see.
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #177 on: May 27, 2009, 11:53:41 AM »
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #178 on: May 27, 2009, 11:56:54 AM »
 :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: let the games begin bitches .
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Re: Thread for the Manchester United vs FC Barcelona Game (27-May-09).
« Reply #179 on: May 27, 2009, 11:58:14 AM »
It go have some penalty controversy eh. Watch and see.
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