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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #450 on: June 22, 2009, 03:16:31 PM »
This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'

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Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #451 on: June 22, 2009, 03:22:21 PM »
This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #452 on: June 22, 2009, 03:29:47 PM »
This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'

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Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."

Cafu is a BEAST.

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #453 on: June 22, 2009, 05:12:24 PM »
filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #454 on: June 22, 2009, 06:43:44 PM »
Ah now get a good look at the highlights as posted above.....whey sah.....I never see an Italian defence look so totally disorganised and outplayed....whoa....whey dis Brazil team was in 2006??...as a matter of fact whey de Italy team from 2006??   :devil:
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« Reply #455 on: June 22, 2009, 08:33:42 PM »
Ah now get a good look at the highlights as posted above.....whey sah.....I never see an Italian defence look so totally disorganised and outplayed....whoa....whey dis Brazil team was in 2006??...as a matter of fact whey de Italy team from 2006??   :devil:

In my view....any Brazil team is more lethal with mobile wingbacks. Confed Cup 2005....Ciciniho and Renato i think it was..dey run rampage....World Cup 2006...de only game they look good was de Japan game when Cafu and Roberto Carlos eh play. Dunga have everybody working hard..so it eh have as much flair..but.....dey ruthless. Look at the counter against USA when Beasely lapse....yuh seeing it.
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #456 on: June 22, 2009, 08:44:35 PM »
This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow</a>

Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."

Cafu is a BEAST.

One of the fittest players ever to play the game.  I sure he coulda do a Tour de France wit no problem.  What a forkane engine dah man have.
god i wish we had big tall men that could run like that too. thats what u get when you a huge nation population cause thats rare to find. time to find one somewhere and naturalize him  ;D

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #457 on: June 22, 2009, 08:58:10 PM »
filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah

haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #458 on: June 22, 2009, 09:05:16 PM »
filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah

haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version

Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets. 
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #459 on: June 22, 2009, 09:35:45 PM »
filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah

haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version

Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets. 

alright...tanks. the original is better. hard luck for the ones in quotes

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #460 on: June 22, 2009, 10:40:15 PM »
filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah

haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version

Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets. 

alright...tanks. the original is better. hard luck for the ones in quotes

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #461 on: June 23, 2009, 04:20:53 PM »
CORRECTED-Soccer-Egypt blame Cup exit on media 'lies' about pros

Reuters, Tuesday June 23 2009
By Mike Collett
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8571148

JOHANNESBURG, June 22 (Reuters) - Egypt have blamed their Confederations Cup exit on media "lies" about their players consorting with prostitutes after beating world champions Italy.
Head of mission Mahmoud Taher told a news conference on Monday that the team had been stunned by local newspaper reports.
He said the team, knocked out on Sunday after losing 3-0 to the United States, had in fact been robbed at their hotel.
"The players have been really subjected to terrible damage in Egypt and they are in a very bad mood right now due to the false allegations that were published in the newspapers here," he said.
"The media have caused all this damage which we were shocked by.
"The allegations were published in the papers here on Saturday and Sunday morning and unfortunately the players heard about it from back home," he added.
"These lies started here in South Africa then they were quoted back home and this had an affect on our players.
"This was not the only reason for the defeat, we had some injuries, and some players got injuries in the match, but these were some of the reasons for the defeat."

UNDER INVESTIGATION
Local media have alleged the money was not stolen but paid to "ladies of the night", with about 19,000 rand taken from the players after their shock 1-0 win over Italy in Johannesburg last Thursday.
Fikile Mbalula, South Africa's deputy minister of police responsible for security at the event, told an earlier news briefing that the matter was still under investigation.
He added that the police could not be responsible for people or friends invited into hotel rooms "who may not be security friendly to you."
Taher, whose delegation was leaving Johannesburg on Monday night, responded: "I am saying that no strangers, no women, no girls, nobody came to the floors or the premises of the Egyptian delegation," he said.
"We came back to our hotel and the players went to their rooms and discovered they had lost their money and their belongings.
"They complained to the reception at the hotel accompanied by our LOC (organising committee) escort who reported it to his superiors and he reported it to the police," he said.
"We thought it could be sorted out as a simple incident that can happen at any hotel. What we are answering today is what was published in the newspapers, not about the theft because the police are investigating that problem.
"We are demanding from the media protection to our players honour and dignity and the rights due to our culture in Egypt."
A spokeswoman for the South African Police Service (SAPS) said they were investigating the case and would not give out any details until the probe was concluded.
"The team members involved have already given SAPS detectives their statements so there would be no need for them to be interviewed or interrogated further," she added.
Local media also reported that some Brazilian players had been robbed of a "jacket and some money" from their hotel.
(Additional reporting by Mohamed Sadek and Phumza Macanda, editing by Alan Baldwin)
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #462 on: June 23, 2009, 06:05:47 PM »
dem egyptians probably get aids too.. just saying

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« Reply #463 on: June 23, 2009, 07:28:56 PM »
The Egyptians could have blamed the media from day one, instead they went on and on about being tired in the post-game press conference and in subsequent interviews. They said the Brazil and Italy games took everything out of them..as if the US didn't play the same too teams before. So this round of excuses eh sounding too truthful.
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« Reply #464 on: June 24, 2009, 11:08:51 AM »
The Question: How is Brazil's 4-2-3-1 different from a European 4-2-3-1?


Brazil's first-half performance in their 3-0 victory over Italy in the Confederations Cup on Sunday confirmed what the results of the last couple of months had been hinting at: for all the doubts about Dunga's supposed pragmatism, all the quibbles over personnel, they will be serious contenders next summer.

The 1-1 draw in Ecuador in March may have been fortuitous, and the defending shambolic, but Argentina's 6-1 defeat to Bolivia a few days later showing the effect altitude can make. Since then, they have put three past Peru and four past Uruguay, before winning 2-1 against Paraguay, their closest challengers in Conmebol qualifying. So now that qualification is all but assured, the big debate is less over Dunga's future, than over what system his side plays: when is a 4-2-3-1 not a 4-2-3-1?

Diamond geezers

At this Confederations Cup, most European observers have happily jotted down their formation as 4-2-3-1, with Luís Fabiano as the centre-forward, Robinho to the left, Kaká as the central creator and Ramires on the right of the attacking three. Gilberto Silva sits in front of the back four, with Fiorentina's Felipe Melo in the slightly more advanced holding role. Yet the Brazilians persist in describing the system as a diamond.

As they see it, Gilberto is the base, with Ramires right and Melo left as carrileros (the shuttlers on the sides of the diamond), Kaká as the playmaking tip, and Robinho as a second striker. At first, that sounds nonsensical, because that isn't how it looks on the pitch, but there is greater subtlety to the Brazilian notation. Gilberto, as the most defensive, they describe as a "first function" midfielder, Melo is "second function" and Ramires, as the most attacking of those three, is "third function".

There is an acceptance too that Robinho pulls left. He does not operate centrally, for were he to do so, he would be competing for space with Kaká and Luís Fabiano. Strangely, he has seemingly reinvented the left-sided attacking position as practised by, for instance, Gianni Riva, in il giocco all'Italiana, the slightly more attacking version of catenaccio practised by Italy in the 1970s. he was, in effect, a converted, tucked-in winger from a 4-3-3, encouraged to move inside by the surges forward of the left-back, who had, since the days of Giacinto Facchetti, been the more attacking of the full-backs in the Italian system.

And once you start to see that, you realise that Ramires, who has had an excellent tournament pounding up and down the right flank, offering deftness as well as energy, could be seen as a modern version of a tornante (literally, a "returner") who, like Jair in Helenio Herrera's Internazionale, is a winger who tracks back. Apart from the fact that the back four is flat rather than employing a sweeper, a middle-aged Italian could easily see this Brazil as an incarnation of il giocco all'Italiana. In that regard, Brazil have become a sort of tactical Rorschach test, with everybody seeing in it what they are culturally disposed to see.

Which begs the question that, if such things are so open to interpretation, whether there is any point putting a name to a formation. There is, because it gives us a basic shape, but we must always be conscious of differences within systems that ostensibly appear to be the same. In fact, one of the great criticisms that can be levelled at the English game historically is that the formation has led the game: players, rather than being treated as individuals whose tactical responsibilities were to be negotiated within a basic framework, were rammed into pre-designated holes.

So while describing the current Brazilian system as a diamond feels almost as antiquated as those British newspapers in the 50s who still listed teams in the 2-3-5 that had died out three decades earlier, so we should be aware that 4-2-3-1 doesn't tell the full story either. And, most intriguingly, the Brazilian 4-2-3-1 differs from the European version precisely because it has evolved via a different route.

Development of Brazil's system

The European 4-2-3-1 derives from 4-4-2. A centre-forward is withdrawn, and the roles of the midfield become more precisely defined, the wide players advancing and the central players retreating, although the wide players still have responsibility for dealing with the attacking intentions of the opposition full-backs.

In Brazil, though, the default for several years has been the 4-2-2-2. It was first showcased to the world in 1982, when Falcao and Cerezo operated as deep-lying playmakers behind Zico and Socrates (the magic square, as it was known). After a flirtation with 3-5-2 under Sebastiao Lazaroni in 1990, the 4-2-2-2 returned in far more defensive form at the 1994 World Cup, at which Dunga, the present coach, operated alongside Marcio Santos at the back of the midfield, with Zinho and Mazinho in front of them as trequartistas, and Bebeto and Romario as the centre-forwards.

The evolution of that system to 4-2-3-1 has come about by pulling one of the centre-forwards back and wider, while one of the trequartistas shuffles a little wider – and in Ramires's case deeper – on the other side to accommodate him. Robinho is thus a forward playing to the left (as Riva did), whereas a European version of the system would have a winger or a midfielder (or a defensive forward) there. So far in this tournament, there has been no sign of him feeling any sense of defensive responsibility.

That may be a problem if he comes up against a right-back of great attacking intent – such as Maicon (who has looked a far more complete player than Dani Alves in the Confederations Cup), but generally the balance looks promising. Ramires, who will join Benfica from Cruzeiro before the start of next season, chugs up and down the right, allowing Melo, the more advanced of the two holders, to focus his attentions more to the left while Gilberto remains central.

It is an adventurous system – counter-intuitively, given Dunga's reputation – but its great advantage is the position of Robinho. As a withdrawn, left-sided central forward, he naturally falls under the marking remit of any member of the opposition. Given one holding midfielder is trying to deal with Kaká, if the other shifts across to stop Robinho, he risks leaving the right-side exposed for Maicon and Ramires. But neither is Robinho playing tight against the opposing full-back or centre-back; in a game that seems increasingly crowded, his has discovered (or rediscovered) a new niche of opportunity.

The ultimate question for European teams

Attacking from wide, of course, is very much in vogue. "When forwards attack from wide to inside, they are far more dangerous," Sir Alex Ferguson explained. "It's funny when I see centre-forwards starting off in the middle against their markers and then going away from goal. Strikers going inside are far more dangerous, I think. When [Thierry] Henry played as a striker, and sometimes when Wayne [Rooney] does, they try to escape and create space by drifting from the centre to wide positions, when that actually makes them less dangerous."

It is all the more dangerous if the wide attacker in operating in conjunction with an attacking full-back: Lionel Messi cutting infield as Alves surges by him is perhaps the most obvious example, but Andrei Arshavin, backed up by either Aleksandr Anyukov or Yuri Zhirkov, has benefited similarly for Russia, while one of Croatia's great strengths – at least until Fabio Capello exposed it by deploying the pace of Theo Walcott high on the right in Zagreb – was Danijel Pranjic's link-up with Ivan Rakitic on the left flank.

It would be a brave manager who called Robinho's bluff and encouraged his right-back to ignore him and surge forward, but that might be the best way to deal with his role. Or a team could play as Chelsea did in Barcelona, with three very deep central midfielders. Or play with a tucked in and purely defensive right-back. And that perhaps is the greatest strength of Dunga's side – that their interpretation of 4-2-3-1 raises questions European sides are not used to answering.
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #465 on: June 24, 2009, 11:24:58 AM »
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #466 on: June 24, 2009, 11:25:04 AM »
The Question: How is Brazil's 4-2-3-1 different from a European 4-2-3-1?


Brazil's first-half performance in their 3-0 victory over Italy in the Confederations Cup on Sunday confirmed what the results of the last couple of months had been hinting at: for all the doubts about Dunga's supposed pragmatism, all the quibbles over personnel, they will be serious contenders next summer.

The 1-1 draw in Ecuador in March may have been fortuitous, and the defending shambolic, but Argentina's 6-1 defeat to Bolivia a few days later showing the effect altitude can make. Since then, they have put three past Peru and four past Uruguay, before winning 2-1 against Paraguay, their closest challengers in Conmebol qualifying. So now that qualification is all but assured, the big debate is less over Dunga's future, than over what system his side plays: when is a 4-2-3-1 not a 4-2-3-1?

Diamond geezers

At this Confederations Cup, most European observers have happily jotted down their formation as 4-2-3-1, with Luís Fabiano as the centre-forward, Robinho to the left, Kaká as the central creator and Ramires on the right of the attacking three. Gilberto Silva sits in front of the back four, with Fiorentina's Felipe Melo in the slightly more advanced holding role. Yet the Brazilians persist in describing the system as a diamond.

As they see it, Gilberto is the base, with Ramires right and Melo left as carrileros (the shuttlers on the sides of the diamond), Kaká as the playmaking tip, and Robinho as a second striker. At first, that sounds nonsensical, because that isn't how it looks on the pitch, but there is greater subtlety to the Brazilian notation. Gilberto, as the most defensive, they describe as a "first function" midfielder, Melo is "second function" and Ramires, as the most attacking of those three, is "third function".

There is an acceptance too that Robinho pulls left. He does not operate centrally, for were he to do so, he would be competing for space with Kaká and Luís Fabiano. Strangely, he has seemingly reinvented the left-sided attacking position as practised by, for instance, Gianni Riva, in il giocco all'Italiana, the slightly more attacking version of catenaccio practised by Italy in the 1970s. he was, in effect, a converted, tucked-in winger from a 4-3-3, encouraged to move inside by the surges forward of the left-back, who had, since the days of Giacinto Facchetti, been the more attacking of the full-backs in the Italian system.

And once you start to see that, you realise that Ramires, who has had an excellent tournament pounding up and down the right flank, offering deftness as well as energy, could be seen as a modern version of a tornante (literally, a "returner") who, like Jair in Helenio Herrera's Internazionale, is a winger who tracks back. Apart from the fact that the back four is flat rather than employing a sweeper, a middle-aged Italian could easily see this Brazil as an incarnation of il giocco all'Italiana. In that regard, Brazil have become a sort of tactical Rorschach test, with everybody seeing in it what they are culturally disposed to see.

Which begs the question that, if such things are so open to interpretation, whether there is any point putting a name to a formation. There is, because it gives us a basic shape, but we must always be conscious of differences within systems that ostensibly appear to be the same. In fact, one of the great criticisms that can be levelled at the English game historically is that the formation has led the game: players, rather than being treated as individuals whose tactical responsibilities were to be negotiated within a basic framework, were rammed into pre-designated holes.

So while describing the current Brazilian system as a diamond feels almost as antiquated as those British newspapers in the 50s who still listed teams in the 2-3-5 that had died out three decades earlier, so we should be aware that 4-2-3-1 doesn't tell the full story either. And, most intriguingly, the Brazilian 4-2-3-1 differs from the European version precisely because it has evolved via a different route.

Development of Brazil's system

The European 4-2-3-1 derives from 4-4-2. A centre-forward is withdrawn, and the roles of the midfield become more precisely defined, the wide players advancing and the central players retreating, although the wide players still have responsibility for dealing with the attacking intentions of the opposition full-backs.

In Brazil, though, the default for several years has been the 4-2-2-2. It was first showcased to the world in 1982, when Falcao and Cerezo operated as deep-lying playmakers behind Zico and Socrates (the magic square, as it was known). After a flirtation with 3-5-2 under Sebastiao Lazaroni in 1990, the 4-2-2-2 returned in far more defensive form at the 1994 World Cup, at which Dunga, the present coach, operated alongside Marcio Santos at the back of the midfield, with Zinho and Mazinho in front of them as trequartistas, and Bebeto and Romario as the centre-forwards.

The evolution of that system to 4-2-3-1 has come about by pulling one of the centre-forwards back and wider, while one of the trequartistas shuffles a little wider – and in Ramires's case deeper – on the other side to accommodate him. Robinho is thus a forward playing to the left (as Riva did), whereas a European version of the system would have a winger or a midfielder (or a defensive forward) there. So far in this tournament, there has been no sign of him feeling any sense of defensive responsibility.

That may be a problem if he comes up against a right-back of great attacking intent – such as Maicon (who has looked a far more complete player than Dani Alves in the Confederations Cup), but generally the balance looks promising. Ramires, who will join Benfica from Cruzeiro before the start of next season, chugs up and down the right, allowing Melo, the more advanced of the two holders, to focus his attentions more to the left while Gilberto remains central.

It is an adventurous system – counter-intuitively, given Dunga's reputation – but its great advantage is the position of Robinho. As a withdrawn, left-sided central forward, he naturally falls under the marking remit of any member of the opposition. Given one holding midfielder is trying to deal with Kaká, if the other shifts across to stop Robinho, he risks leaving the right-side exposed for Maicon and Ramires. But neither is Robinho playing tight against the opposing full-back or centre-back; in a game that seems increasingly crowded, his has discovered (or rediscovered) a new niche of opportunity.

The ultimate question for European teams

Attacking from wide, of course, is very much in vogue. "When forwards attack from wide to inside, they are far more dangerous," Sir Alex Ferguson explained. "It's funny when I see centre-forwards starting off in the middle against their markers and then going away from goal. Strikers going inside are far more dangerous, I think. When [Thierry] Henry played as a striker, and sometimes when Wayne [Rooney] does, they try to escape and create space by drifting from the centre to wide positions, when that actually makes them less dangerous."

It is all the more dangerous if the wide attacker in operating in conjunction with an attacking full-back: Lionel Messi cutting infield as Alves surges by him is perhaps the most obvious example, but Andrei Arshavin, backed up by either Aleksandr Anyukov or Yuri Zhirkov, has benefited similarly for Russia, while one of Croatia's great strengths – at least until Fabio Capello exposed it by deploying the pace of Theo Walcott high on the right in Zagreb – was Danijel Pranjic's link-up with Ivan Rakitic on the left flank.

It would be a brave manager who called Robinho's bluff and encouraged his right-back to ignore him and surge forward, but that might be the best way to deal with his role. Or a team could play as Chelsea did in Barcelona, with three very deep central midfielders. Or play with a tucked in and purely defensive right-back. And that perhaps is the greatest strength of Dunga's side – that their interpretation of 4-2-3-1 raises questions European sides are not used to answering.


nice article. I think the difference between the Brasilian use of the formation and the European use of the formation is the fulcrum player. Brasil seems to have two. In the Italy game, it was Melo when they were defending, and Kaka when they were attacking. European teams seem to have one player in that position, and most times, it's in the holding midfielder position.

You're not going to be as versatile if you're constantly coming out of the back and building all your plays from there. If you have a player with the quality of Kaka, so that you can force the opposition defence to sit deep, and have them under constant threat - then once the defending team breaks on a counter-attack, they have an almost immovable force in Melo keeping the tactical shape and marshalling the defence in front of Lucio and Julio Cesar.

It's almost like if they're playing with an extra player.
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #467 on: June 24, 2009, 12:29:56 PM »
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« Reply #468 on: June 24, 2009, 12:31:23 PM »
I always wonder why TnT dont wear warm up sweats over there uni like top teams , instead of just wearing complete other uniform.  That keep the muscles warm

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #469 on: June 24, 2009, 12:35:20 PM »
Harkes talking bout holding out for PK's and is de 3rd minute of the game....stupesssss
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #470 on: June 24, 2009, 12:35:37 PM »
 :rotfl:

Those ESPN commentators cracking me up. They're talking about the game possibly being a draw between the two teams which would then take them to penalty kicks "...and you know how good Tim Howard is with Penalty Kicks..."

Dem eh see Iker in goal? Dey know who he is?

Anyway...all of that was wishful thinking on their part.
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #471 on: June 24, 2009, 12:57:47 PM »
1 for Altidore

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #472 on: June 24, 2009, 12:58:11 PM »
lol

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #473 on: June 24, 2009, 12:58:18 PM »
"Sahker" 1, "Fútbol" o

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #474 on: June 24, 2009, 01:01:55 PM »
this spanish side looking lazy in defence. where Marcos Senna?

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #475 on: June 24, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »
How men does rate Torres boy... especially over Villa?
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #476 on: June 24, 2009, 01:06:40 PM »
any english streams for usa-spain?

Try atdhe.net.

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #477 on: June 24, 2009, 01:11:57 PM »
Look ting,
All us haters feeling sour!
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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #478 on: June 24, 2009, 01:13:20 PM »
Well the Spaniards and Dutch are the biggest chokers in history  :rotfl: We have to keep that in mind

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Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« Reply #479 on: June 24, 2009, 01:17:51 PM »
Well the Spaniards and Dutch are the biggest chokers in history  :rotfl: We have to keep that in mind

   This look more like a sellout than a choke.  All of a sudden them Spainish makin' ONE settta bad pass in a game?!  Yeah, RIGHT!!


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