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Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« on: July 23, 2009, 08:14:34 PM »
Very sad, but atleast there are 2 less culprits out there...
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Thursday, 23 July 2009
Image RJR Sports understands that at least two of the nation's top sprinters have tested positive for a banned substance.

It is believed the sprinters who tested positive at a local meet held recently and were selected for Jamaica's team to the Berlin
World Championships in August.

Local governing body the JAAA is expected to make further announcements pending notification of the athletes.
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 12:28:51 AM »
Well if it's ****, I quit, I'm serious.

Track will never have any credibility anymore after this latest tarnishing and will be more Pro Wrestling than sport.
I almost hope both are female - I almost hope its 2 females since they are less visible, but this is going to be bad regardless. Maybe some of the performances have been too good to be true. i don't know anymore.

Bottom line is that no matter who it is, with 3 weeks to go before worlds, this is AWFUL. As usual with track, one step forward, two giant ones back.

This will also cast aspersions on all of the whole country's stars if the names are really big, and worse, prove Carl Lewis right at least in part.

Chances this doesn't affect one of JA's two major camps? NONE, I am guessing.
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 05:37:04 AM »

 Ah wonder if this will strike them down like a Bolt of lightening
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 05:39:53 AM »
Well the count increase from two to FIVE :'( :'(
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Drug Cheats

Five athletes test positive at national senior championships

BY KAYON RAYNOR Senior staff reporter raynork@jamaicaobserver.com

Friday, July 24, 2009

HIGHLY placed Observer sources have revealed that five athletes - four men and one woman - in Jamaica's 46-member team to next month's 12th IAAF World Championships in Berlin returned positive tests for banned drugs at last month's national senior championships in Kingston. The World Championship will run from August 15 to 23.

According to our sources, none of the country's premier sprinters are among the five. However, three of the athletes - two male and the female - are members of Jamaica's sprint (4x100m) relay pools, having finished in the top six of the 100 metres.

The other two male athletes were selected to Jamaica's team, having finished in the top six of the 400m metres and are members of the 4x400m relay pool.

It is unclear whether all five athletes in question tested positive for the same banned substance.


When contacted yesterday, officials from Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission (JADCO) and the Jamaica Amateur Athletics Association (JAAA) did not confirm that they were notified of the positive tests.

The JAAA president, Howard Aris, did not confirm or deny that any Jamaican athlete tested positive and referred the Observer to JADCO.

"We don't get involved in those things anymore," Aris said. "I'm telling you, who you must call is JADCO. But they can't speak, I'm sure," the veteran sports administrator added, further arousing our suspicions.

Patricia Charles-Freeman, executive director of JADCO, the body which was responsible for carrying out the drug testing at both Jamaica's National Junior and Senior trials, said that her body had no knowledge of any positive result.

"No, I can't confirm anything like that," Charles-Freeman said.

Dr Herb Elliot, who serves on both the IAAF's Medical and Anti-doping Commission as well as JADCO, denied knowing about the positive results.

"I don't know anything about it. It has not reached me yet," he said.

Up to press time, the Observer had not received any response from the IAAF to our queries about the positive test results.

However, Observer sources indicate the JAAA, which was recently notified by track and field's governing body the IAAF, will notify the athletes in question today.

Less than a year ago, the Observer broke news that sprinter Julien Dunkley tested for the banned drug Boldenone at Jamaica's trials to select the team to the Beijing Olympics.

Dunkley, who had denied using the banned drug, was removed from Jamaica's team to the Olympics and was later handed a two-year ban by the IAAF.

Dunkley's positive test was the second to have been detected by Jamaican authorities in the past four years. Sprinter Steve Mullings, who won the 200 metres at the 2004 Olympic Trials, was banned for two years after testing positive for testosterone.

Other Jamaicans to have tested positive for banned substances include sprinters Merlene Ottey (Nandrolone); Patrick Jarrett (Stanozolol), shot putter Dorian Scott (marijuana) and long/triple jumper Suzette Lee (Salbutamol, which is used for the treatment of asthma, chronic bronchitis and other breathing disorders).

Jarrett was suspended for two years, while Ottey escaped a ban as her 'B' sample returned negative. Scott and Lee both received public warnings.


I really hope everybody was just smoking one big spliff :-\
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 09:37:08 AM »
Ok so it's 5 athletes none is a major name 1 or two are female and no it's not one of the big 4 or 5 - that is big
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 09:56:00 AM »
Well the count increase from two to FIVE :'( :'(

I really hope everybody was just smoking one big spliff :-\

Won't that be just as stupid as taking any other banned drug especially seeing that the World Champs is just round the corner?   :-\
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 09:56:38 AM »
Well if it's ****, I quit, I'm serious.

Track will never have any credibility anymore after this latest tarnishing and will be more Pro Wrestling than sport.

I doh know why you reactin like dat.

T&F is a sport where EVERYBODY is suspect according to the vast majority of the public.  Similar to professlional cycling, only more so.

Fuss ting run through EVERYBODY mind when Bolt buss de tape in beijing was..."im pee yet?"

That's the REALITY whether you like it or not.

This eh big news.  To tell yuh de state of de sport, is probably bigger news when athletes durgs tests come back CLEAN!

Besides...you eh quit LONG TIME?  8)
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 04:54:12 PM »
Quit broadcasting quit being affiliated with the sport I meant. Now it's 5 but all minor names esp from the 2 I already heard - names you know but not big big names.

Where is WILLI? When its 7 Russians its called systematic doping - what happens when it's 5 Jamaicans??
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2009, 05:11:39 PM »
T&F is a sport where EVERYBODY is suspect according to the vast majority of the public.  Similar to professlional cycling, only more so.

Fuss ting run through EVERYBODY mind when Bolt buss de tape in beijing was..."im pee yet?"

That's the REALITY whether you like it or not.

This eh big news.  To tell yuh de state of de sport, is probably bigger news when athletes durgs tests come back CLEAN!

Besides...you eh quit LONG TIME?  8)
well said
and I would bet that MOST/ALL top american top sprinters are suspect, starting from the 70's
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2009, 08:19:14 PM »
Ok this is not going to be good. I have some of the names now and they are not as low key/anonymous as previously thought. The drama is already starting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2009, 08:35:39 PM »
Ok this is not going to be good. I have some of the names now and they are not as low key/anonymous as previously thought. The drama is already starting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests
"A number of high-profile figures in the sport, from the legendary former sprinter Carl Lewis to Victor Conte, whose Balco clinic supplied Dwain Chambers and Marion Jones, have all openly condemned Jamaica's drug testing regime, suggesting that athletes are slipping through the net."
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ya betta hush Carl

buh ya kno that the autorities cyar do nutten to you now
"In 2003, Dr. Wade Exum, the United States Olympic Committee's director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000, gave copies of documents to Sports Illustrated which revealed that some 100 American athletes failed drug tests but were nevertheless cleared to compete. Among those athletes was Carl Lewis."
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 08:59:15 PM »
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 01:27:41 AM »
Quit broadcasting quit being affiliated with the sport I meant. Now it's 5 but all minor names esp from the 2 I already heard - names you know but not big big names.

Where is WILLI? When its 7 Russians its called systematic doping - what happens when it's 5 Jamaicans??

Right here.

The idiots drank a GNC drink at Trials. Jamaica busted them as we always do...so how the change of systematic doping for a stimulant drink?

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 06:10:05 AM »
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Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 09:27:29 AM »
An Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes, among them a promising young training partner of three-time world record holder Usain Bolt, who failed recent doping tests, calling into question their eligibility for the upcoming World Championships.

Gazzetta dello Sport reported this morning that athletes involved are Yohan Blake, the 19-year-old training partner of Bolt, 200m runner Marvin Anderson, Commonwealth Games 100m champion Sheri-Ann Brooks, and 400m runners Allodin Fothergill and Lanceford Spence.

Of the names on that list, the first three are the most prominent. In his last two races, Blake has finished second to Bolt in the 100m, at both the Aviva London Grand Prix on Friday and at the Areva Golden League Meeting in Paris on July 17. Blake’s time of 9.93 seconds in Paris, a personal best, ranks as the fifth fastest in the world this season.

Blake, along with Anderson, figure prominently in Jamaica’s 4x100m relay pool. Led by Bolt and Asafa Powell, Jamaica won gold at the Beijing Olympics last summer in a world-record 37.10 seconds. Brooks was a member of the Jamaican women’s 4x100m squad in Beijing. All five athletes were selected to Jamaica’s team for the World Championships in Berlin August 15-23.

On Friday, the Jamaican Amateur Athletics Federation, the Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission, and the International Amateur Athletics Federation all confirmed the positive tests but stated that it was too early in the process to reveal the names of the athletes under suspicion or the substances involved.

According to the Jamaica Gleaner, a release sent by Oliver Watt, the Director of Communications in the Ministry of Youth Sports and Culture, states that of the 43 tests taken at the Jamaican National Championships last month, five revealed “adverse analytical findings.”

While declining to name the substance that resulted in the positive tests, Dr. Herb Elliott, a member of both the IAAF’s Medical and Anti-Doping Commission as well as JADCO, told the Jamaica Gleaner. “I can assure you it wasn’t any major stuff.”

A Reuters source seemed to confirm that notion.

"It's frightening, but all five tested positive for the same drug, although the five trained almost under different circumstances," the official said. "I can tell you that none of the world stars are involved. The drug itself is not an anabolic steroid and is considered a minor drug, meaning that with a good explanation at a hearing, the athlete could get off with a reprimand."

Elliott added that when all of the athletes were officially informed of the test results, a hearing would be held and a request made for the B sample to be tested. That hearing could come as soon as this week. According to JAAA regulations, no sanctions can be levied against the athletes until after that hearing and the possible testing of the B sample.

While often criticized for being slack, Jamaica’s anti-doping stance has been one of zero tolerance. Last July, sprinter Julien Dunkley was dropped from Jamaica's Olympic team and banned for two years after his urine sample turned up with traces of the banned substance Boldenone. Dunkley, who maintains his innocence, would have been part of the gold-medal-winning 4x100m relay squad.

Glen Mills, who coaches Bolt, Blake and Anderson at the Racers Track Club, told The Guardian of London earlier this year that Jamaicans are proud of their track and field reputation and do not take blights lightly.

"Jamaica does not have a drug culture,” Mills said. “We have never had an athlete who has had his entire athletic life in Jamaica have any kind of drug problem. That's just not us. We take our athletics very seriously. The nation at large would be very hurt, and very hard on anybody who would bring their fun into disrepute and the athletes know that. Here we hate cheats.

"Who wants to think what they want will. We can't stop them from saying but we're willing to be tested every day and every minute of the day because we are just training and we've got nothing to hide. You only worry when you've got something to hide."

After winning the 100m at the Aviva London Grand Prix on Friday, Bolt told the BBC that he was saddened by the positive tests but said, "I'm sure it's not me so I'm not really worried."

Powell, who finished sixth in that race, shared the same sentiment.

"It's their bad luck, it's not for me to worry about, and it doesn't affect me one bit,” Powell told reporters. “People might be saying bad stuff now but it doesn't really bother me."
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Re: Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 09:45:27 AM »
It's a minor drug but 5 people will raise some eyebrows. Still waiting to know what the drug is
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Re: Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2009, 01:20:09 PM »
Tension in the air. I wonder if the Beijing 4x100 is in doubt now?

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2009, 03:02:42 PM »
It's a minor drug but 5 people will raise some eyebrows. Still waiting to know what the drug is
Unconfirmed reports say it was a stimulant found in an energy drink bought at the trials. A public warning may be the sanction. We'll have to wait and see though.
If the above is confirmed, it is unfortunate but athletes need to be very careful what they are consuming.

Oops, I just saw Willi's post in the other thread, basically saying the same thing I did. A drink consumed at the trials- explains the 5 and the minor nature of it. This should be a big wake up call though. Only consume stuff you know the contents of!!!
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2009, 03:03:38 PM »
Tension in the air. I wonder if the Beijing 4x100 is in doubt now?

None at all. They cannot wipe out marks before the day of your positive test, unless they can prove that you were doping at the time.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2009, 06:50:40 PM »
It's a minor drug but 5 people will raise some eyebrows. Still waiting to know what the drug is
Unconfirmed reports say it was a stimulant found in an energy drink bought at the trials. A public warning may be the sanction. We'll have to wait and see though.
If the above is confirmed, it is unfortunate but athletes need to be very careful what they are consuming.

Oops, I just saw Willi's post in the other thread, basically saying the same thing I did. A drink consumed at the trials- explains the 5 and the minor nature of it. This should be a big wake up call though. Only consume stuff you know the contents of!!!
OK question time -
what if the athletes in question did in fact use the stimulant over an extended period and then used the excuse that they bought the drink at the trials?

would they have gained an unfair advantage over their competition?
or are tests done frequently enough to discredit my theory?
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Re: Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2009, 09:49:51 PM »
The problem is that athletes come up with all these denials and cockamamie stories when they test positive, you don't know whether to believe them.  At least it raises eyebrows about the JA team.
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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 03:24:35 PM »
I can tell you right now that those who are JA track haters will use this as some sort of smoking gun - reality is that it is so not. I didn't worry as an athlete about anything anyone is taking from GNC or a place of that sort. Period. It either will show up in a test or it will not have a significant effect.

This is a 1 on a ten scale. Those hating on JA track will do so anyhow, with this as the "AHA!" moment. I have read and learned enough about this now to know that this stimulant will show up in every test so its not like oh they been getting away with it and this as some idiot columnists have already insinuated in Britain, TAINTS their Beijing campaign.

Funny how this one/few bad apple spoils the bunch thing applies to only one country suddenly.

How many minor offenses did the US have last year from their relative unknowns? That made the whole team suspect? Please. Carl and the other raging hypocrites who have their own positives in the past really have gaul to be talking about who is suspect.

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Re: Italian newspaper has named the five Jamaican athletes
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 04:57:42 PM »
Tension in the air. I wonder if the Beijing 4x100 is in doubt now?

None of the names on the Beijing 4x100m are implicated.
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Jamaicans cleared over drug tests
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 08:31:36 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8194466.stm

Five Jamaican athletes have been cleared of doping offences at their national championships in June by their country's anti-doping panel (Jadco).

The commission stated it could not determine whether the unnamed substance is on the prohibited list.

Jadco chairman Kent Gammon said: "Therefore we have not found any of them to be in violation of the code."

Yohan Blake, Sheri-Ann Brooks, Allodin Fothergill, Lansford Spence and Marvin Anderson were the athletes involved.

They are now clear to compete in the World Championships, which begin in Berlin on Saturday, 15 August.

But the ruling will be reviewed by athletics' governing body, the IAAF, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The IAAF can challenge any judgements in the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), world sport's highest court of appeal, and can also provisionally suspend athletes until CAS delivers a verdict.

All five runners are part of the Caribbean nation's 46-strong team.

Jamaica dominated last summer's Olympic sprint races and is hoping for similar success in Germany.

Blake, who won bronze in the 100m at the world junior championships in 2006, is Olympic champion Usain Bolt's training partner and has recorded the fifth-fastest time over 100m this year.

Anderson is also a 100m runner, while Fothergill and Spence compete in the 400m.

Brooks, the Commonwealth 100m champion, was cleared last week on a technicality because Jadco tested her B sample without her knowledge.

The athletes had reportedly tested positive for the stimulant methylhexanamine, which is not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's list of banned substances.

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 08:36:37 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8194466.stm

Five Jamaican athletes have been cleared of doping offences at their national championships in June by their country's anti-doping panel (Jadco).

The athletes had reportedly tested positive for the stimulant methylhexanamine, which is not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's list of banned substances.
Soooooo..................what was the problem in the first place???
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 10:41:43 PM »
Well they are not out of the water as yet. The substance is not directly on the banned list, but is there indirectly and JADCO is going to appeal the panel's decision and stand a good chance of winning.

The substance falls under some thing called the "related substances" clause. Under this clause any substance that has a similar chemical structure to what is on the banned stimulant list will be treated as such.

The substance that was found is 4-MEHTLY-2 HEXANAMINE and is similar in structure to TUAMINOHEPTANE which is on the banned list. So it looks like they will at least be getting a public warning and at worst a 3 month vacation. Either way their results from the JAM trials will be invalid making their participation in the champs impossible.

On the bright side, none of the five were medal prospects, so the "Team Jamaica" expected medal haul will not be affected.

EDIT:- I forgot to add that the IAAF has final say on this matter.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2009, 10:20:22 AM »
Every single one a dem tekkin some form of PED.  Is not jes de yardies.  Trinis, yardies, yankees, britz, german, african...whoever.

STOP DE HYPOCRISY!  LEGALIZE DE PED'S DEM....DE SPORTING PUBLIC DOH REALLY CARE...ALL DE SPORTIN PUBLIC REALLY CARE ABOUT IS RECORDS!

In de meantime....as long as PED's remain illegal...everytime somebody cross de finish line in some kinda remarkable time....de very fuss thought in de sportin public mind as dey run tru de tape is....

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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2009, 12:33:06 AM »
Every single one a dem tekkin some form of PED.  Is not jes de yardies.  Trinis, yardies, yankees, britz, german, african...whoever.

STOP DE HYPOCRISY!  LEGALIZE DE PED'S DEM....DE SPORTING PUBLIC DOH REALLY CARE...ALL DE SPORTIN PUBLIC REALLY CARE ABOUT IS RECORDS!

In de meantime....as long as PED's remain illegal...everytime somebody cross de finish line in some kinda remarkable time....de very fuss thought in de sportin public mind as dey run tru de tape is....

DEM PEE YET?

Come on Palos, that's not fair, you can't paint everyone with the same brush!! >:(
How do you know that man like our injury prone, underperforming DB is not clean?!   ???
De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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Re: Shame and disgrace has been brought upon Jamaican T&F
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2009, 04:19:02 PM »
Every single one a dem tekkin some form of PED.  Is not jes de yardies.  Trinis, yardies, yankees, britz, german, african...whoever.

STOP DE HYPOCRISY!  LEGALIZE DE PED'S DEM....DE SPORTING PUBLIC DOH REALLY CARE...ALL DE SPORTIN PUBLIC REALLY CARE ABOUT IS RECORDS!

In de meantime....as long as PED's remain illegal...everytime somebody cross de finish line in some kinda remarkable time....de very fuss thought in de sportin public mind as dey run tru de tape is....

DEM PEE YET?

Come on Palos, that's not fair, you can't paint everyone with the same brush!! >:(
How do you know that man like our injury prone, underperforming DB is not clean?!   ???

What part of ALL u doh comprehend?
Carlos "The Rolls Royce" Edwards

 

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