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Aquatics World Championships
« on: July 26, 2009, 08:00:29 AM »
Swimming started today, with every other discipline already started during the past week This morning's prelims saw 8 championship records including relay lead-offs. The suit wars continue, but this will be the last major meet according to FINA in which they will play a role. New rules come January. For those who interested, NBC has coverage from 12 eastern today.

So far no Caribbean entrants have made semis, but very impressive performances by some youngsters who are using the meet as development towards London and beyond.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 08:54:27 PM »
I was readin a lil bit about that...so what is the end result?

Those suits are being labeled as 'cheating devices' or no?
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 11:05:31 AM »
FINA congress has stated that from January 1st the men's suits shall return to knee length and go no higher than the waist. The women's suit will also be knee length and go no further than the shoulders. Also, there will be no suits that are non-textile in nature, so all this synthetic stuff is going out the door too. Big big changes.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 11:06:17 AM »
BTW. halfway through day 2 and at least 7 world records so far. Really cheapens the experience now.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 01:19:41 PM »
FINA World Championships, Swimming: Flash! Paul Biedermann Smashes World Record, Upsets Superstar Michael Phelps in 200 Free -- July 28, 2009


ROME, Italy, July 28. IN a surprising turn of events, Germany's Paul Biedermann smashed Michael Phelps' world record in the men's 200 free with an upset over Phelps at the FINA World Championships.


Biedermann checked in with a 1:42.00 to knock nearly a second from Phelps' world record of 1:42.96 set at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Phelps could not handle Biedermann's final 50 meters as he faded to silver with a 1:43.22, which is the third-fastest time of all time.

"I actually don't think I managed it from the start," Biedermann said. "My only chance to beat Phelps was during swimming. I don't think Phelps was in his form. I hope the next time we meet he is at his best. The suits make an impact, they make you faster. I hope they get banned next year. I hope I can challenge Michael next year without the suits."

Russia's Danila Izotov finished with bronze in 1:43.90 to become the third man to ever break 1:44 in the event.

Japan's Sho Uchida (1:45.24), Australia's Kenrick Monk (1:45.46), South Africa's Jean Basson (1:45.67), The Netherlands' Sebastiaan Verschuren (1:46.05) and Russia's Nikita Lobintsev (1:46.33) completed the final heat's swims.


NB You should hear the american reaction to this. NOW they have a problem with the non-textile suits! Fools!
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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 02:19:43 PM »
Biedermann having the meet of his life.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 03:31:24 PM »
ROME (AP) -- No bodysuit ban, no Michael Phelps.

That was the essence of what the Olympic great's coach said Tuesday after swimming's governing body confirmed bodysuits will be outlawed next year. The rule will not take effect until April or May, later than expected.

Bob Bowman spoke after Phelps lost a major race for the first time since 2005. He was beaten by a relative unknown wearing a suit that will be barred next year. Bowman said FINA should have banned bodysuits before these world championships because the value of world records was diminishing.

"Probably expect Michael not to swim until they are implemented," Bowman said. "I'm done with this. It has to be implemented immediately. The sport is in shambles right now and they better do something or they're going to lose their guy who fills these seats.

"That would be my recommendation to him, to not swim internationally -- he might swim locally. But who knows. The mess needs to be stopped right now. This can't go on any further."

Phelps was upset by Paul Biedermann of Germany in the 200-meter freestyle final. Biedermann wore a 100 percent polyurethane Arena suit, while Phelps stuck with last year's LZR Racer from Speedo because of contract obligations.

"We've lost all the history of the sport," Bowman said. "Does a 10-year-old boy in Baltimore want to break Paul Biedermann's record? Is that going to make him join swimming?

"It took Michael from 2003 to 2008 to go from 1:46 to 1:42.9 and this guy's done it in 11 months. That's an amazing training program. I would love to know how that works."

Biedermann clocked 1 minute, 42.00 seconds, which knocked off Phelps' world mark of 1:42.96 from the Beijing Olympics. It was Phelps' first loss at a worlds or Olympics since the 2005 worlds in Montreal.

Phelps, who won a record eight gold medals in Beijing last year, started training with Bowman in Baltimore when he was 11.

"Bob chooses where I swim. He chooses the meets I'm going to swim in. He chooses what's right for me and what's right for my training," Phelps said, adding that his main focus after Rome was on the 2012 London Olympics. "I have one meet that I'm looking forward to the most and that's in three years."

A FINA group Tuesday upheld last week's decision to restrict males to suits that go from the waist to the top of the knees, while female suits cannot go past the shoulders or beyond the knees.

Suit materials will be restricted to "textiles," a definition to be determined by a scientific committee. FINA also announced standards for buoyancy, thickness and permeability. The complete rules will be given to swimsuit companies by Sept. 30.

"The rules will be applied in 2010. That can be April or May. It depends on the time manufacturers need to pass from polyurethane to textiles," FINA executive director Cornel Marculescu said.

FINA acted after dramatic leaps in technology the past 18 months led to a complete rewriting of the record book.

Through only three days of these championships, 15 world records have been set -- matching the number from the last edition in Melbourne, Australia, two years ago. Five more days remain for this meet.

"I would be perfectly happy if we adjust all the records starting with the LZR. If we took them all out and went back to 2007," Bowman said. "Even those in Beijing. We can have them in a separate list. These were done in polyurethane suits and then these are done in textile suits. Then we can start over in January and make the sport about swimming."

USA Swimming executive director Chuck Wielgus agreed.

"These records in swimming have gotten to the point where they get a golf clap -- just a polite applause," Wielgus said. "They're not as special and it just raises the expectations for the athletes."

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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 03:32:17 PM »
Swima,

has Bowman ever gone on the record about this before this defeat?

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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 10:10:21 PM »
Last year, bowman had no problem with the speedo lzr suit.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/bal-sp.swim04apr04,0,3142477.story

Now he think the polyuerthane is too far? They done collect all the gold medals, now is time to get some principles? From the article:

Phelps' coach, Bob Bowman - who also serves as an adviser for Speedo - said it's important to remember that it's the swimmers who still have to do the training and perform under pressure. But, he added, every tick of the clock is important.

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"It's going to make a difference," Bowman said. "We're not talking 10 seconds or anything like that. But even two-thirds of a tenth, when you're talking about the top times in the world, is very important."

But Trickett's teammate Kieren Perkins worries that the high-tech suits are creating "a slippery slope when you create a haves and haves-not society in the sport."

"When you create a situation where some people have a technological superiority through equipment against others, I think that goes against a little bit of what makes our sport wonderful," Perkins told reporters at the Australian Olympic trials.
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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 08:36:23 AM »
Swima,

has Bowman ever gone on the record about this before this defeat?

Sour f-ing grapes. Sorry, I aint no suit fan either, but that response was way to emotional from Bowman. Furthermore, he was quite ok with US swimmers using the LZR last year before the Olympics. The rest of the world gets wise and all of a sudden it's a problem? Come on Bob! Sounds like sponsorship and endorsements might have taken a short jab to the ribs with that defeat, all of a sudden he wants Michael to stop swimming international until the suits go. Why didn't he say that when Ariana Kukors (an American) dropped nearly 5 seconds in the 200 IM on Monday night to win and beat Stephanie Rice of Australia?

The facts are this:

Biederrman won the 400 on Sunday by swimming his second 200 in 1:49.0 - UNHEARD OF!
He broke Ian Thorpe's lengendary record swim from Commonwealth 2002 on his way to the 400 victory
He swam 1:44 twice this year at German nationals and at Mare Nostrum wearing textile suits

From this we can derive that he is not only in the best shape of his life, but at German nationals, where his breakout swim occurred, he was not even fully peaked as yet. If you add a second to his swim to compensate for the suit, he was have been 1:43 flat, which is right around the previous world record and still faster than Phelps' time at this meet.

Bob better forget that silver and watch Danila Izotov who came third in the race. A 17 year old Russian who went from 1:46 in Beijing to 1:43.9 this year (in only a legskin) is a way bigger threat than Biederrmann in my opinion.
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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 08:46:46 AM »
ain't it funny that the 'illegal' suit was ok for the phelps to wear when he won because nobody else had them- now he is beaten it is a bad suit...
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 04:24:54 PM »
I was thinkin the same thing...either way look like phelps records will never be broken
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 07:36:39 PM »
George's 50 is tomorrow morning. He's seeded ninth and has already come within .01 of his Beijing time this year. Will report on results when they come.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 06:01:49 AM »
George 4th out of the morning prelims. 21.64 isa new national record. Did not see the race but hopefully he has more speed in the evening to make it to the finals. Based on the time though, he may have to drop a couple tenths to get in. Still, this is only about a tenth faster than he swam in early June, so I think he should have more in him.

If he gets in, I don't see him beating Cielo or Bousquet, but the bronze would be wide open.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 09:42:48 AM »
George 4th out of the morning prelims. 21.64 isa new national record. Did not see the race but hopefully he has more speed in the evening to make it to the finals. Based on the time though, he may have to drop a couple tenths to get in. Still, this is only about a tenth faster than he swam in early June, so I think he should have more in him.

If he gets in, I don't see him beating Cielo or Bousquet, but the bronze would be wide open.

great performance by george in the prelims. i can't see him beating cielo but with a good start maybe beat bousquet? hopeful.

for those who don't follow it that closely, a medal at the worlds would be a massive achievement for george and a testament to his talent and hard work.

after the knee injury, to continue swimming, let alone completely reinvent himself from a medley specialist to a sprinter and become world-class at it, is AMAZING.

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 09:58:55 AM »
Tell dem nah. Semis in about half an hour. Will post when they come in.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 10:55:23 AM »
Tied for 8th overall after the semis. He will have to do a swim off at the end of tonight's session with the other 8th place finisher to decide who gets the last spot. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 11:03:30 AM »
Cazic talking it up a lot ... entertaining.

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George now the third fastest man in history!!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 12:29:35 PM »
He won the swim off in 21.20 the third fastest ever. Tomorrow could be exciting folks!
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 12:51:08 PM »
Cazic talking it up a lot ... entertaining.

Yeah well he just broke Phelps' 100 fly record in the semis. Phelps wants badly to be first under 50 seconds. Cavic's time from the semis today: 50.01. I'll be in front the tv tomorrow and Sunday.
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 12:51:45 PM »
wow. good stuff.

congrats george.  you have inspired me to put in a last couple hours of hard work for the week.

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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 01:10:37 PM »
for as long as i know myself this man in de pool.
soon ah go b ah lean mean bulling machine.

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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2009, 02:21:21 PM »
50 free in swimming is really an exciting event but I have to say it might be the hardest event in sports to tell who win with the naked eye.

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Re: George now the third fastest man in history!!!!!!
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2009, 03:22:08 PM »
He won the swim off in 21.20 the third fastest ever. Tomorrow could be exciting folks!

holy crap batman! championship record. that time is obviously helped by the fact that only 2 swimmers in the swim-off i.e. stiller pool water. but still great race.

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2009, 06:19:21 PM »
Good going, Jorge!!!!!!

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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2009, 10:08:50 AM »
Race coming now. Tension for so.
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« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2009, 10:15:10 AM »
He came 7th  :beermug:

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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2009, 10:15:52 AM »
7th in 21.53. Looks like the extra swim got to him. His time from the swim off would have gotten silver.
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2009, 12:28:39 PM »
Ok so he was 7th and did not repeat the time from the swim off. Still a big step for us in local swimming, and an acheivement to complement those of the juniors this year so far.

But it seems like George has had an even bigger impact on the meet, check this out:


FINA World Championships, Swimming: Tale of a Semifinal Suit Incident -- August 1, 2009


By Priyant Pratap, BehindTheBlocks.com



ROME, Italy, August 1. LAST night's finals saw some incredible swimming, and one of the fastest 50 frees of all time in 21.20, by Trinidad and Tobago's George Bovell courtesy of a swimoff to make the final. But, what was little known was the circus taking place backstage during the semifinal.

There was a delay before the start of the semifinal of this event, which was fine by the crowd, which danced their way through music as the commentator kept people entertained.

Behind the scenes was a showing of sportsmanship by all athletes that makes one proud of the sport. Bovell's suit split, to the extent where he was practically naked. Telling Swimming World, "My suit popped like a balloon right before I was about to walk out to the semifinal". The organizers were screaming at the men to go out, and while Bovell ran to get an old LZR, the men stood their ground and did not race until he was ready.

"In a show of solidarity, they refused to go out and I was able to get my suit on and up and got the job done."

Bovell, along with Roland Schoeman, are getting their legs in starting up an International Swimmers Association to work with FINA to improve the rights of swimmers, believing that in this instance, among others, "the competition was run on a TV schedule, not a swimming schedule."

With more and more criticisms being directed at FINA, and growing concerns that the swimmers best interests aren't being put first, Bovell and his teammates believe this only adds fuel to this fire.

Australian head coach Alan Thompson told Swimming World that he thought it was incredible moment, and that he was proud of the boys.

"At the end of the day, we're here to see fast swimming, and the best 16 in a semifinal, which George was. It was great that the boys stood their ground and an amazing moment for the sport. He came and swam one of the fastest times ever in the sport, and that's what we like to see and why we're here".

There was talk of the entire semifinal being disqualified as well. A member of FINA refused to comment, while another was not sure whether he was able to comment, and declined.

Also commenting was a swimmer from that semifinal who asked to remain anonymous fearing there would be repercussions from FINA.

"I can't comment with my name because the way they're handling things, I feel like they'll come after me. They need to realize why they're in this sport, and who makes this sport what it is – the swimmers. It's becoming a joke, their management and their organization of this meet. First, they allow all the suits and then threaten to disqualify a semifinal? So many people have trained so hard for this meet, and it's an insult to treat us like we're pawns".

David Dunford, who swam in the semifinal with Bovell, also spoke with Swimming World.

"Yeah it was pretty crazy in the tunnel," Dunford said."George ripped his suit right before we were about to walk out and the officials couldn't have been less sympathetic. They were aggressively trying to get the swimmers to walk out on time and told George that he could either race with his completely ripped suit or not race at all. Of course neither was an option and every one of us knew that. Since most of us have suffered at some point because of the new, ridiculous suits we could all empathize with George and so we decided to make a small stand against FINA. He later proved that he deserved to be in the final, and I am very glad that he was not robbed of his place by some people who obviously don't value the integrity of the sport".

Swimming Australia media attache Ian Hanson likened the matter to that of Cecil Healey and Duke Kahanamoku, where due to an error by team management at the 1912 Stockholm Olympics, Duke wasn't able to swim in the semifinal (along with his American teammates), with Cecil refusing to swim until the Americans were allowed to swim a time trial in order to qualify for the final, a move that eventually resulted in Duke defeating Cecil.

It's becoming clear that the allowance of various high performance suits isn't the only thing that's catalyzing criticisms towards FINA, but their overall handling of these World Championships, and swimming itself.
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Re: Aquatics World Championships
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2009, 11:52:13 PM »
Men's 50m Freestyle
50m Nage Libre Hommes
Final
Finale
13th FINA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
17 JULY - 2 AUGUST 2009
ROME (ITA)
Results
Résultats
Record Name NOC Code Location Date
WR 20.94 BOUSQUET Frederick FRA Montpellier (FRA) 26 APR 2009
CR 21.20 BOVELL III George TRI Roma (ITA) 31 JUL 2009
Name NOC
Code
Final Event No. 27
Rank Lane Time Time
R.T. Behind
1 6 CIELO FILHO Cesar BRA 0.68 21.08 CR
2 4 BOUSQUET Frederick FRA 0.70 21.21 0.13
3 3 LEVEAUX Amaury FRA 0.75 21.25 0.17
4 5 DRAGANJA Duje CRO 0.69 21.38 0.30
5 2 JONES Cullen USA 0.71 21.47 0.39
6 1 ADRIAN Nathan USA 0.70 21.49 0.41
7 8 BOVELL III George TRI 0.71 21.51 0.43
8 7 NYSTRAND Stefan SWE 0.69 21.53 0.45

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