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Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« on: September 26, 2009, 07:55:27 PM »
LONDON - Close your eyes and imagine the possible scenarios in 2016.

Olympic athletes strolling to competition venues along Chicago’s lakefront. Volleyball players diving on the sand of Rio de Janeiro’s Copacabana beach. Cyclists whizzing past Tokyo’s Imperial Palace. Soccer players curling free kicks in Madrid’s Bernabeu stadium.

After a two-year global campaign featuring four world-class cities, one of the closest bid races in Olympic history will be decided next Friday in a vote of the International Olympic Committee in Copenhagen.

Although IOC votes — by secret ballot over several rounds — can be highly unpredictable, Rio and Chicago look to be the main contenders.

At stake is international prestige, billions of dollars in potential investment and economic spinoffs, and the honor of staging the world’s biggest sports extravaganza.

The decision may come down to two key issues: Will President Barack Obama go to Copenhagen to pitch Chicago’s case in person? Is the IOC ready to take a bit of a gamble on Rio and send the Olympics to South America for the first time?

“I expect a vote difference of a couple of votes only,” IOC president Jacques Rogge told The Associated Press in a recent interview. “There is no favorite. There is no bid that is lagging behind. All the scenarios are possible.”

Technical issues, emotion, sentiment, geography, politics, self-interest and other intangibles all play a role in IOC votes.

In this race, Rio — besides its iconic beaches and stunning backdrop — has the strongest emotional pull of the four candidates: The Olympics have never been held in South America and the time has come to try something new.

“For others it would be just another Olympics, but for Brazil it would be something to raise the self esteem of the people,” Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said this week. “No other city needs to host an Olympics. Brazil needs it. ... Do only rich countries have the right to host the Olympics?”

With Africa the only other continent that hasn’t staged an Olympics, Rio’s argument has resonated with many IOC members who espouse the “universality” of the games and like to make a geopolitical statement by taking the event to new territories.

“There is sympathy of course for Rio because the games have never been in South America,” IOC executive board member Denis Oswald said. “In principle, yes, it would be nice for the universality of the games that we go to a new continent that has never organized games, but only if we are confident that all the technical and other requirements are met.”

Rio has bid before, but failed to make the list of finalists for the 2004 and 2012 Olympics. Another South American city — Buenos Aires, Argentina — fell short in the vote for 2004, as did a bid from Cape Town, South Africa.

But this time, Rio has made a convincing case for taking the Olympics to a new frontier.

“I’d say for the first time, it’s a realistic choice,” senior Canadian IOC member Dick Pound said. “We had Cape Town and we’ve had Brazil and Buenos Aires before. They were there as sort of signals that someday it would be possible. Now you have a real choice. Whether they’re prepared to do it is another question.

“You try to pick the least risky place recognizing that they all have some element of risk,” he said.

Chicago is bidding to bring the Summer Games back to the U.S. for the first time since Atlanta in 1996. The bid, which would bring the games back to the Olympics’ most lucrative market for sponsorships and television rights, is centered on a compact plan putting most athletes within 15 minutes of their venues along picturesque Lake Michigan.

Chicago’s hopes could ultimately depend on whether Obama goes to Copenhagen for the vote. Tony Blair, then Britain’s prime minister, was instrumental in London’s victory when he traveled to Singapore in 2005; and Vladimir Putin helped Sochi get the 2014 Winter Games when he went to Guatemala City in 2007Chicago overcame one of its biggest hurdles when the city council approved all financial guarantees for the games, clearing the way for Mayor Richard M. Daley to sign the host city contract if Chicago wins. That was a major step for a U.S. bid city, which — unlike rival candidates — can’t rely on federal government financial backing.

Yet the Chicago bid could still be affected by lingering anti-U.S. sentiment in the European-dominated IOC and resentment over contentious issues with the U.S. Olympic Committee
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Silva and King Juan Carlos of Spain and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez will be in Copenhagen. Tokyo is urging new Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama to attend, though he hasn’t decided yet.

Obama — who calls Chicago home — contacted Rogge on Sept. 11 to inform him he wouldn’t be traveling to Denmark because of his commitment to reforming American health care, and was sending first lady Michelle Obama and senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett.

However, the White House sent an advance team to Copenhagen this week to make preparations in case the president decides to join his wife at the last minute — possibly arriving and departing on the day of the vote.

“If he can be persuaded I think it makes a huge difference,” Pound said. “He’s a transformational figure in the world today.”

Obama has sent a letter to IOC members saying the Olympics would be an “extraordinary opportunity for America to renew our bonds of friendship and welcome the world to our shores with open arms

Chicago overcame one of its biggest hurdles when the city council approved all financial guarantees for the games, clearing the way for Mayor Richard M. Daley to sign the host city contract if Chicago wins. That was a major step for a U.S. bid city, which — unlike rival candidates — can’t rely on federal government financial backing.

Yet the Chicago bid could still be affected by lingering anti-U.S. sentiment in the European-dominated IOC and resentment over contentious issues with the U.S. Olympic Committee, including the American body’s share of Olympic revenues and plans — now on hold — for its own Olympic television network.

British bookmakers list Chicago as an odds-on favorite, followed by Rio, Tokyo and Madrid.

But Rio seemed to pick up the unofficial front-runner’s tag in June when the bid cities made presentations to IOC members in a specially arranged meeting in Lausanne, Switzerland. Rio officials made a splash by unveiling a big world map with dots showing where all the Olympics have been held — and an empty space for South America.

Brazil also claims it is a growing financial power that has been less affected by the global downturn

than the other bid countries. It also cites the experience of hosting the 2007 Pan American Games and Brazil’s selection as host of the 2014 World Cup, an event which could help prepare infrastructure for the Olympics two years later.

Geography often plays a big role, though the IOC has no official policy of geographical rotation of the games.

Tokyo, which hosted the 1964 Olympics, offers a first-class technical bid and claims it is the safest bet at a time of financial uncertainty and already has $4 billion in the bank for the games. Yet, there is a sense among some IOC members that it would be soon to go back to Asia after last year’s stunning Beijing Olympics.

Madrid, which is bidding for a second straight time after a failed attempt for the 2012 Games, also has a strong candidacy with 77 percent of venues already in place. However, it must contend with a reluctance to return to Europe after London in 2012 and Sochi in 2014.

“Although there is no geographical rotation, I think there is a feeling that the games might go west,” British IOC member Craig Reedie said. “In which case, you have a choice of two Western Hemisphere cities (Chicago and Rio). The emotional argument is with Rio with regards to the games having never been in South America before.”

The result could also hinge on the vagaries of the IOC voting system. Ninety-nine of the IOC’s 106 members are eligible to vote in the first round (members from countries with bid cities can’t vote while their candidate is still in contention).

The city receiving the fewest votes is eliminated after each round until one candidate secures a majority. The vote is expected to go the maximum three rounds.

Some members tend to vote out of sympathy in the first round, which can produce some surprises. The key to victory is picking up votes from the cities which go out.

If Tokyo were to go out in the first round, it is believed many of its votes would go to Chicago. If Madrid goes out, the consensus is they would go to Rio.

“The real issue for all four cities is to make sure that as far as they can their committed friends vote for them right from round one,” Reedie said. “There is danger to all four cities in the first round. After that I’m afraid I have no idea where people might go.”

The final 45-minute presentations — featuring speeches and videos — also have a role. The consensus is a city doesn’t win because of a good presentation, but could lose because of a bad one.

For the first time, there are no IOC executive board meetings in the days leading up to the vote. That means there will be much less opportunity for lobbying and schmoozing. Most IOC members won’t be arriving until the day before the vote.

Each city will be bringing celebrity supporters to Copenhagen, including Pele for Brazil and talk show queen Oprah Winfrey for Chicago.

In the end, Rogge said, it will all come down to which bid organizers the members trust most.

“Everything being equal between the four candidates,” he said, “I think it’s the human factor that will be most important.”

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 08:07:18 AM »
WC and Olympics in Brazil in a 2 year span would be nice, would have to make at least one of these, preferrably the former  ;D
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 04:12:25 PM »
"At stake is international prestige, billions of dollars in potential investment and economic spinoffs"

the latter ever happen to any city that host dis ting?
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 11:30:00 PM »
"At stake is international prestige, billions of dollars in potential investment and economic spinoffs"

the latter ever happen to any city that host dis ting?

Dat is d spin evry Olympics dat dey does say. D former 4 sure.
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 03:55:08 PM »
Obama working he charm.. plus he send he wife to do the same....

Rio would throw on hell of a party..thats fuh sure....

Chi-town would have to come correck....
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 09:55:34 PM »
Obama working he charm.. plus he send he wife to do the same....

Rio would throw on hell of a party..thats fuh sure....

Chi-town would have to come correck....

chicagO shoulda send Kanye
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 10:46:52 PM »
If only the IOC was still taking bribes [yeah right, Sepp?]
By JIM LITKE, AP Sports Columnist

It’s too bad the International Olympic Committee isn’t taking bribes anymore. Imagine what a lock Chicago would be then.

Instead, the City of Broad Shoulders and greased palms has pinned its hopes on a skinny left-hander who won’t get to Copenhagen until the last minute, but has already demonstrated he can deliver an election. And if even Barack Obama can’t twist enough arms Friday morning to seal the deal?

Well, then, blame it on Rio.

The thing to remember about the election for the 2016 Summer Games is that it’s more like a race to become high school president than, say, the pope. Popularity matters more than issues. And while anything can still happen, that’s likely why you can say sayonara to Tokyo and adios to Madrid.

This looks increasingly like a two-horse race that Brazil would have clinched already—if it was about fairness and nothing else. Latin America’s emerging power surged into the lead during a meet-and-greet session with committee members in June, when longtime Brazilian IOC representative and Rio bid president Carlos Nuzman charmed the socks off his colleagues and served up a dramatic reminder of who owed whom.

Nuzman is a suave, savvy Olympic insider who controls every important decision-making position in Rio’s bid. So in addition to familiarity, he offered his colleagues one-stop shopping for all their needs. But he also proved just how well he knows them by going that extra step and bringing in Brazil’s central banker to show off the nation’s emerging wallet.

Then Nuzman closed his presentation with a flourish. He unveiled a map of the world marked with the site of every summer and winter games since the Olympics were founded. The absence of a single pin in either Africa or South America spoke volumes.

But that was then. And if there was a flaw in Brazil’s presentation, it’s that it peaked too early. It’s like taking over the lead in the third leg of a mile race.

If it comes down to Obama and Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in a sprint, where are you going to put your money?

(In the interest of full disclosure, I’m writing from Chicago, where I was born, raised and still live. My work has taken me to both Tokyo and Madrid more than once and every Olympics since 1988, but never to Rio. I would love to see the beaches there. I also wouldn’t mind covering the games and sleeping in my own bed.)

One Olympic observer who hadn’t met Lula until he appeared before the commission said not so fast.

“They are very alike, similar backgrounds, with similar appeal and even charisma. Both are very, very convincing. The difference,” she noted, “is that Obama is better-looking and, yes, there are a few women among the IOC members.”

There are 106 members on the IOC selection committee, though all don’t always bother to show up. Once members from the four nations with bids leave the room, 98 will be eligible to cast votes in the first round. Handicappers predict it will take 26 to advance, with the city collecting the fewest votes departing after each round. An early exit by Tokyo is supposed to boost Chicago’s chances, since Rio and Madrid will be vying for the Latin bloc vote. The opposite could be true if Madrid goes out first.

Last time around, London beat Paris 54-50 in the final round, with the narrow margin of victory credited to a great closing job by then-Prime Minister Tony Blair. That may be the reason Obama reversed course and took off for Denmark, though a growing chorus of Republicans insist the president is going to pay back the pols who taught him mastery of a real rough-and-tumble sport.

“He’s the president of the United States,” GOP House leader John Boehner of Ohio moaned at one point, “not the mayor of Chicago.”

Speaking as a lifelong Chicagoan, frankly, either reason for Obama’s trip works for me. Just know that if he were the mayor, his life would be a lot easier. Like his father before him, Mayor Richard M. Daley has the kind of grip on Chicago that IOC members have to respect.

And talk about one-stop shopping: In 2003, in the middle of a dispute with some civic and aviation industry leaders over his plan to turn a little-used, single-runway downtown airport into a park, Daley sent in bulldozers under cover of darkness and had the runway broken into concrete chunks.

For better or worse, that’s how we roll. It’s also why polls show the city split almost down the middle over the bid. Joy at the prospect of jobs and construction projects is offset by who will get them, and how. This may be the city that works, but it still works better for some than others.

We already pay more in taxes and for gas than anybody in the country. But we expect something for our money, going back to the days when lining someone’s pocket was the fastest way to get things done. I talked to the guy at the grocery store at the end of a very unscientific poll I conducted while running errands.

He knew some people whose homes were going to be displaced. He also knew others who had a good shot at a construction job or two.

“After all this trouble, if we get the games,” he growled, “then we damn well better dominate.”

Jim Litke is a national sports columnist at The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitke (at)ap.org

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 06:06:10 AM »
Obama working he charm.. plus he send he wife to do the same....

Rio would throw on hell of a party..thats fuh sure....

Chi-town would have to come correck....

Even in de summer C-town is to windy. Track and Field will have issues. I don't like the C-Town idea. USA yes, but Chi-town? NO
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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 09:41:52 AM »
Chicago eliminated in first round of voting.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091002/NEWS01/91002001&s=d&page=2

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 10:57:19 AM »
Chicago eliminated in first round of voting.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091002/NEWS01/91002001&s=d&page=2

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 11:08:01 AM »
wow....WC and Olympics back to back for Brasil......




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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 11:19:59 AM »
wow....WC and Olympics back to back for Brasil......





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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 02:50:29 PM »
Chicago eliminated in first round of voting.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091002/NEWS01/91002001&s=d&page=2

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Classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If he didn't go to support de bid, dey woulda say he didn't care enough

He go and support de bid and dey go say he get diss

If dey did win however, he woulda seem like a hero to some, and be accused of unjustly affecting the outcome by using his influence by others.

At the end of the day, for some people he can do no wrong, some people feel nothing he does is right, and lots of people in between.  Seems about right.

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2009, 09:11:50 AM »
"At stake is international prestige, billions of dollars in potential investment and economic spinoffs"

the latter ever happen to any city that host dis ting?

Steups, look Trinidad try to claim d same ting wid dat stupid conference dey had d other day...cant even remember d name now...


No real economic spinoffs in London 2012, dey are spending a good bit of money re-developing parts of East London, but the truth is that that area is not ready to be redeveloped, it will still be a sh!tty place to live even after the Games.

But seriously, I hope the Olympics could help Rio, even if its just providing construction work for the poor. Rio is a modern, beautiful but incredibly segregated city - not necessarily because of race, but its a fact that most blacks there are poor, and the poor are ignored. If yuh notice, everyone jumping up on Copacabana beach yesterday was pretty light-skinned. Hopefully is not just dem benefiting.

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Re: Close race to host 2016 Olympics nears finish
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 10:32:52 PM »

Even in de summer C-town is to windy. Track and Field will have issues. I don't like the C-Town idea. USA yes, but Chi-town? NO
::) Chicago is no windier than any other city in the US that is on a big body of water, the nickname doesn't even come from the actual wind, it comes from "long winded" politicians speeches.

I will say this much though, I was in Washington Park (where they were going to build the stadium) the other night playing footy and it was incredibly windy, but I can't remember the last time it was anywhere near that windy.  Anyway I'm sure even if it was going to be problem, the architechts of the stadium would know how to take care of it.


Anyway

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