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No place for Lara in teams of the decade

West Indies most celebrated batsman of the last decade, Brian Lara, was not good enough to make it into either one of the Test or One-day teams of the just completed first decade of this century, according to a panel of experts on the cricketing website, Cricinfo. Five Australians have made it into each of the teams, according to the panel which included the Web site’s editors Sambit Bal and Andrew Miller as well as former Australian captain Ian Chappell and Indian batsman Sanjay Manjrekar. Three, along with Sachin Tendulkar, Muttiah Muralitharan and the South African all-round pair of Jacques Kallis and Shaun Pollock, found a place in both sides.

Apart from West Indies, there are no New Zealanders. And only one Englishman, Andrew Flintoff, made it to either side. There were four unanimous picks in the Test side—Ricky Ponting, Adam Gilchrist, Glenn McGrath and Muralitharan, but none in the ODI one (Gilchrist came closest, with 12 votes; Ponting, Tendulkar and McGrath got 11 each). According to Cricinfo, Matthew Hayden and India’s Virender Sehwag were the men who paved the way for a change in attitude and mentality while opening the innings. Hayden scored 8364 Test runs from 96 games and reached 29 centuries, while Sehwag hit two triple-centuries and four doubles in 72 Tests. The number three batsman is Ricky Ponting who scored 9458 runs at 58.38 and he has recorded 38 hundreds.

Following Ponting is Sachin Tendulkar, who just completed his 20th year of international cricket, and scored over 7000 Test runs at 53.20 with 21 centuries during the decade. His teammate, Rahul Dravid is at five and the Cricinfo jury stated that Dravid was at the forefront of almost all of India's memorable Test wins in the 2000s including Kolkata 2001, Headingley, Adelaide 2003, Rawalpindi 2004, Kingston 2006 and Perth 2008. South Africa’s Jacques Kallis takes the number six spot, with Adam Gilchrist the wicketkeeper’s spot. He too revolutionised the game, with a Test strike rate of 82 best exemplified in Perth against England in 2006 and by his audacious 204 in Johannesburg in 2002. Gilchrist hit more Test sixes than any batsman in history, 99 of them this decade.

Pollock was the second South African allrounder to make the list. His control of line and length got him 260 Test wickets at under 25 this decade, and though his pace dipped, inevitably, he still managed to extract a significant amount of seam movement in various conditions, and his unnerving accuracy made him hard to get away. Add to this a healthy batting average of 32.56. The ODI team includes Sachin Tendulkar and Sanath Jayasuriya at the top. They have a mind-boggling 30,822 ODI runs between themselves (over 17,000 of those scored this decade). The middle order has a combined career tally of a touch under 25,000 runs. Kallis and Andrew Symonds are in the middle followed by Andrew Flintoff. Gilchrist takes the gloves again along with Pollock while the opening bowlers are Brett Lee and McGrath. Murali is the only spinner.

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Test XI
Matthew Hayden, Virender Sehwag, Ricky Ponting, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Jacques Kallis, Adam Gilchrist (wk), Shaun Pollock, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, Glenn McGrath
12th man: Andrew Flintoff

ODI XI
Sanath Jayasuriya, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis, Andrew Symonds, Adam Gilchrist, Andrew Flintoff, Shaun Pollock, Brett Lee, Glenn McGrath, Muttiah Muralitharan
12th man: Shane Warne

The Jury
Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo
Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer
Ian Chappell, former Australia captain
Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo
Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo
Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer
Sanjay Manjrekar, former India batsman
Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo
Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo
S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo
Christian Ryan, writer
Rob Steen, writer
Telford Vice, writer
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 09:04:55 PM »
Yuh cant point fingers at Ponting alone...why Tendulkar and Dravid dey....??  The panel is tainted....hence the credibility of this article is worthless. Look at the 327 comments written on Cricketinfo.com u will notice u dont stand alone...your comments are justified
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 09:11:45 PM »
Yuh cant point fingers at Ponting alone...why Tendulkar and Dravid dey....??  The panel is tainted....hence the credibility of this article is worthless. Look at the 327 comments written on Cricketinfo.com u will notice u dont stand alone...your comments are justified

Well I singled out Ponting because Lara usually came in at no.3. Could you post the link?
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 09:16:59 PM »
Here is the link Toppa - look at the jury committee....

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/441878.html


The jury
* Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo; Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer; Ian Chappell, commentator, writer, former Australia captain; Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo; Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo; Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer; Sanjay Manjrekar, sports presenter, former India batsman; Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo; Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo; S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo; Christian Ryan, writer; Rob Steen, writer; Telford Vice, writer
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 09:35:44 PM »
Here is the link Toppa - look at the jury committee....

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/441878.html


The jury
* Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo; Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer; Ian Chappell, commentator, writer, former Australia captain; Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo; Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo; Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer; Sanjay Manjrekar, sports presenter, former India batsman; Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo; Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo; S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo; Christian Ryan, writer; Rob Steen, writer; Telford Vice, writer


Well its no surprise then. What a load of bull.
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 05:59:42 AM »
The jury
* Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo; Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer; Ian Chappell, commentator, writer, former Australia captain; Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo; Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo; Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer; Sanjay Manjrekar, sports presenter, former India batsman; Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo; Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo; S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo; Christian Ryan, writer; Rob Steen, writer; Telford Vice, writer

A jury of 13 that includes only 2 past players? Come on cricinfo, you're better than that!  >:(

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 09:27:44 AM »
Here is the link Toppa - look at the jury committee....

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/441878.html


The jury
* Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo; Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer; Ian Chappell, commentator, writer, former Australia captain; Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo; Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo; Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer; Sanjay Manjrekar, sports presenter, former India batsman; Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo; Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo; S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo; Christian Ryan, writer; Rob Steen, writer; Telford Vice, writer


This explains alot

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 11:05:52 AM »
Here is the link Toppa - look at the jury committee....

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/441878.html


The jury
* Sambit Bal, editor, Cricinfo; Harsha Bhogle, sports presenter and writer; Ian Chappell, commentator, writer, former Australia captain; Peter English, Australasia editor, Cricinfo; Jayaditya Gupta, executive editor, Cricinfo; Gideon Haigh, cricket historian, writer; Sanjay Manjrekar, sports presenter, former India batsman; Andrew Miller, UK editor, Cricinfo; Dileep Premachandran, associate editor, Cricinfo; S Rajesh, stats editor, Cricinfo; Christian Ryan, writer; Rob Steen, writer; Telford Vice, writer


This explains alot

cricinfo staff quickly becoming a joke. when they talk about sehwag being more fearsome than viv they jump the shark.

cricinfo only good to check scores

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 02:51:36 PM »
Wolfman wasnt on that panel also  ;D .Where the hell is wolf anyway .

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 09:18:30 AM »
cricinfo only good to check scores

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2010, 02:18:59 PM »
Wolfman wasnt on that panel also  ;D .Where the hell is wolf anyway .

Staying away from the mindless drivel that clogs up this board.  :) Been busy, so I only come on to read without responding. Happy New Year to you and yours.

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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2010, 09:56:05 AM »
Wolfman wasnt on that panel also  ;D .Where the hell is wolf anyway .

Staying away from the mindless drivel that clogs up this board.  :) Been busy, so I only come on to read without responding. Happy New Year to you and yours.

You doing like I have been doing for the past couple months.

Anyway, wasn't Lara being considered for cricketer of the century or something like that just the other day ?
If that is so, it hard to imagine why he not on those teams.  I wonder if the fact that the WI team was miserable during that period have anything to do with it ?  Anybody have Lara's stats from 2000 to 2007 ?
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Re: What kinna shit is this? Which part of Ricky Ponting better than Lara?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2010, 10:21:38 AM »
At first i thought they selected the team on a strictly positional basis, meaning that it was a straight case of Ponting vs Lara for the #3 slot. i could see an argument for Ponting making the one day side, but to pick him over Lara in the test team is hysterical.

But now I see they have Sachin opening in the one day side and batting #4 in the test team. Also Kallis batting lower down in the test team.

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