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Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« on: April 20, 2010, 03:46:10 PM »
The talk I hear mostly is that Cryuff write de blueprint

But is it from even further back.....from Rinus Michels....Mr Total Football himself?

Is Michels the true architect?

Or did Cruyff take something and make it genius?
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 03:57:57 PM »
The talk I hear mostly is that Cryuff write de blueprint

But is it from even further back.....from Rinus Michels....Mr Total Football himself?

Is Michels the true architect?

Or did Cruyff take something and make it genius?

Cruyff's teams played very different from Iron Rinus. Cruyff did build on certain concepts from Michels and Kovacs Ajax, like pressing. Now Guardolia is building on Cruyff's concepts. 
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 08:29:50 AM »
I recently returned from doing an international educational football tour in Spain and Cryuff is viewed as the one responsible for their present football. He signs off on everything that comes into or leaves Barca as well
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 10:09:35 AM »
How much dat blueprint selling for?
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2010, 10:36:36 AM »
Pep Guadiola !!
He took over from Rijkard and formed this team using essentially the same players . Barca was bu  underperforming in Rijkard's later tenure but under Pep they seem invincible. The football too has changed with possession being the key to success.

Sorry ..all dem fellas who now laying claim to Barca's success had their time ...is Pep time now !

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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 12:09:39 PM »
Messi

you could talk bout style all you want.

is players at the end of the day.

if you have a man like Messi, Xabi and Iniesta style dont matter.

The teams with the best players usually win.

if Pep take Xerez to champions league final he could talk bout style and coaching.

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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 01:08:22 PM »
Messi

you could talk bout style all you want.

is players at the end of the day.

if you have a man like Messi, Xabi and Iniesta style dont matter.

The teams with the best players usually win.

if Pep take Xerez to champions league final he could talk bout style and coaching.

But Pelligrini have Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Casillas, Higuain, Van Der Vart, Guti, Pepe, Raul etc and eh do nutting.

He arguably have better players than Barca.  At de very least dem on par.

So how come dem eh winnin nutting?
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 01:12:33 PM »
Messi

you could talk bout style all you want.

is players at the end of the day.

if you have a man like Messi, Xabi and Iniesta style dont matter.

The teams with the best players usually win.

if Pep take Xerez to champions league final he could talk bout style and coaching.

But Pelligrini have Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Casillas, Higuain, Van Der Vart, Pepe, Raul etc and eh do nutting.

He arguably have better players than Barca.  At de very least dem on par.

So how come dem eh winnin nutting?


Barca might not win nothing this year neither!!

Real's season has been no "Fracaso Total" that everybody making it out to be... the disaster is the way the club has been run the last 7-8 years...

Real's major failing this season has arguably been playing at the same time as this great Barca team...

on the other hand... i see your major point... KND talking sh!t
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2010, 01:13:28 PM »
Messi

you could talk bout style all you want.

is players at the end of the day.

if you have a man like Messi, Xabi and Iniesta style dont matter.

The teams with the best players usually win.

if Pep take Xerez to champions league final he could talk bout style and coaching.

But Pelligrini have Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Casillas, Higuain, Van Der Vart, Guti, Pepe, Raul etc and eh do nutting.

He arguably have better players than Barca.  At de very least dem on par.

So how come dem eh winnin nutting?
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2010, 01:21:14 PM »
Messi . iniresta and Xavi were there when they were losing before Pep came ... Is tue bout Real though ..they have a best ever record in pts and goals and man crying em down ...just because barca is around they eh winning . Folks just remember that real is going almost a full season without their no centre back Pepe and no 1 ceative midfelder and counter attack specialist Kaka. I hardly believe barca could do as well as Real without any two of their top 4 players.
I still say Pep has made this group into one of the finest teams  in history.

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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2010, 01:31:21 PM »
Messi . iniresta and Xavi were there when they were losing before Pep came ... Is tue bout Real though ..they have a best ever record in pts and goals and man crying em down ...just because barca is around they eh winning . Folks just remember that real is going almost a full season without their no centre back Pepe and no 1 ceative midfelder and counter attack specialist Kaka. I hardly believe barca could do as well as Real without any two of their top 4 players.
I still say Pep has made this group into one of the finest teams  in history.

Really jai john I eh expect this from you. Losing? They won in 2005-06 under Rjkaard, ran off the rails in 2006-07 under said coach and then Pep came in. However, Pep was part of the system so he did not have to learn his way.
But I agree for men to say Real eh winning nothing. This season is not over, plus this is a brand new Real team, that quite frankly I think Pellegrini has done well with all things considered.
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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2010, 01:58:21 PM »
The 4-3-3 has been made synonymous to the Catalan side ever since Johan Cruyff transcended on the club. He gave Barcelona an identity, a philosophy to continue for years to come. Frank Rijkaard and Louis Van Gaal tried to adapt the formation on the pitch to meet modern football but Guardiola has stuck to the ideal’s of Cruyff’s ‘Dream Team’ of the early 90′s.

The thinking was to make the pitch as big as possible; the 4-3-3 allows natural interchange, greater angles in the pass and creates high pressure in order to win the ball back early. It means energy is not wasted in needless tracking back.

Johan Cruyff gave Barcelona more than success on the pitch; he gave them an identity that runs through the club till this day. The 4-3-3 he adapted from Rinus Michels’ Total Football Holland side has been brought back by Guardiola. The idea was that it offered more angles allowing for triangle passes (i.e. more options in the pass) and the changing of positions.

The formation is not a glorified 4-5-1; the wide men of Henry/Iniesta and Messi are detailed not to engage in pointless tracking back unless forced to, instead looking to pressure the opponents high up the field and rob the defenders of the ball.

The central midfielders are the heartbeat of the side and their ball retention, intelligence and creativity unparalleled. Eric Abidal is unadventurous and almost acts as a left sided central defender hence why Henry says he ‘runs more’ on the left wing as opposed to in attack at Arsenal. On the other side Alves is more disciplined now and a very tough competitor. He will provide the complementary threat, linking up with Messi with such pace, stamina and intelligence. The defence have an equal role in the build up to attackstoo. No team have defenders who are required to pass the ball as much as the centre backs do.


Support and Movement

It’s all about quick and constant movement, short, one-touch passing, intelligent positioning and making the correct runs at the right time. As mentioned getting beyond the striker, providing options and interchangeability are examples of this. The three words drummed into every kid in the academy of La Masia best typify the approach; “receive, pass, offer”.


pieced together from 5 different sources.

Cryuff started it all. Guardiola himself blossomed under Cryuff. Cruyff created the 'Dream Team' and had influence over all of Barcelona's youth teams. He was able to layout a blue print for success at youth level. Now we are seeing the fruit of that. Particularly in terms of midfielders, Barcelona seems to be cloning the Guardiola type midfielder year after year.


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Re: Who's responsible for Barca's style of football?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2010, 04:31:47 PM »
The 4-3-3 has been made synonymous to the Catalan side ever since Johan Cruyff transcended on the club. He gave Barcelona an identity, a philosophy to continue for years to come. Frank Rijkaard and Louis Van Gaal tried to adapt the formation on the pitch to meet modern football but Guardiola has stuck to the ideal’s of Cruyff’s ‘Dream Team’ of the early 90′s.

The thinking was to make the pitch as big as possible; the 4-3-3 allows natural interchange, greater angles in the pass and creates high pressure in order to win the ball back early. It means energy is not wasted in needless tracking back.

Johan Cruyff gave Barcelona more than success on the pitch; he gave them an identity that runs through the club till this day. The 4-3-3 he adapted from Rinus Michels’ Total Football Holland side has been brought back by Guardiola. The idea was that it offered more angles allowing for triangle passes (i.e. more options in the pass) and the changing of positions.

The formation is not a glorified 4-5-1; the wide men of Henry/Iniesta and Messi are detailed not to engage in pointless tracking back unless forced to, instead looking to pressure the opponents high up the field and rob the defenders of the ball.

The central midfielders are the heartbeat of the side and their ball retention, intelligence and creativity unparalleled. Eric Abidal is unadventurous and almost acts as a left sided central defender hence why Henry says he ‘runs more’ on the left wing as opposed to in attack at Arsenal. On the other side Alves is more disciplined now and a very tough competitor. He will provide the complementary threat, linking up with Messi with such pace, stamina and intelligence. The defence have an equal role in the build up to attackstoo. No team have defenders who are required to pass the ball as much as the centre backs do.


Support and Movement

It’s all about quick and constant movement, short, one-touch passing, intelligent positioning and making the correct runs at the right time. As mentioned getting beyond the striker, providing options and interchangeability are examples of this. The three words drummed into every kid in the academy of La Masia best typify the approach; “receive, pass, offer”.


pieced together from 5 different sources.

Cryuff started it all. Guardiola himself blossomed under Cryuff. Cruyff created the 'Dream Team' and had influence over all of Barcelona's youth teams. He was able to layout a blue print for success at youth level. Now we are seeing the fruit of that. Particularly in terms of midfielders, Barcelona seems to be cloning the Guardiola type midfielder year after year.


Thanks fuh dat Disgruntled.  Yuh get dat from a article?  If so, can u please post the source?

Thanks again.  :beermug:
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