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UNC election petition... Appeal Court has month to weigh EBC challenge
« Reply #1020 on: October 01, 2015, 11:01:46 PM »
UNC election petition...
Appeal Court has month to weigh EBC challenge

Published: Thursday, October 1, 2015 (T&T Guardian)


The Court of Appeal has almost a month to set the date for the hearing of the appeal against the United National Congress’ (UNC) election petitions challenging the one-hour extension of the general election earlier this month.

With the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) filing the appeal on Monday, the country’s second highest appellate court now has 28 days to finalise the hearing.

The T&T Guardian understands that UNC attorneys were served with the notice of the appeal being filed but are yet to receive the grounds being relied upon by the commission.

The issue of serving legal documents in the case shot to the public limelight after Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi complained of being harassed by a bailiff, Mark Adams, while attending the funeral last Friday of People’s National Movement stalwart Errol Mahabir.

Adams has since denied any wrongdoing as he claimed his actions were influenced by Al-Rawi attempting to evade him.

The UNC passed the first hurdle in its challenge against the EBC’s decision on September 18 when Justice Mira Dean-Armour ruled it had presented an arguable case with a realistic prospect of success.

The UNC, which lost the election to the PNM 23-18, is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution give the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional election timeframe of 6 am to 6 pm.

The party is seeking to have the court declare the results in six marginal constituencies null and void.

The disputed constituencies are San Fernando West, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland.

In the event the party is successful the court may order that by-elections be held or may possibly rule that a declaration that the EBC breached its powers be granted.

The substantive case over the petitions will take place after the appeal is determined.
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PNM FIGHTS BACK
« Reply #1021 on: October 01, 2015, 11:12:36 PM »
PNM FIGHTS BACK
By JADA LOUTOO Thursday, October 1 2015 (T&T Newsday)


LEAVING nothing to chance, six successful People’s National Movement (PNM) Members of Parliament are fighting back as they seek to have the United National Congress’ (UNC) election petitions against them dismissed by the appellate court.

The PNM parliamentarians who each won their respective seats in six disputed marginal constituencies of San Fernando West, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland, are now appealing the petitions filed against them by the United National Congress.

The election petitions, presented on September 22 by the UNC, seek to have the results in the six constituencies declared null and void by the courts.

The Opposition party, on September 18, received the permission of High Court judge, Justice Mira Dean-Armorer, to file the petitions on an argument that the Elections and Boundaries Commission had no power to extend September 7 General Election voting by one hour due to rainy weather.

However, in the notices of appeal filed by attorneys representing the six MP s, the six contend that the judge was wrong to grant leave. Her “presumed finding that the UNC candidates for the six marginals had presented sufficient evidence to justify the grant of leave” is being challenged by the PNM.

The six MPs — Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi (San Fernando West); Maxie Cuffie (La Horquetta/Talparo); Glenda Jennings-Smith (Toco/Sangre Grande); Esmond Forde (Tunapuna); Terrence Deyalsingh (St Joseph) and Dr Lovell Francis (Moruga/Tableland) say the judge erred in law when she granted leave to the Opposition party, “in the absence of any evidence that anyone joined the lines to vote after 6 pm and was allowed to vote, and/or the number of such persons, such as to suggest that the result of the election might have been materially affected by the alleged unlawful extension of polling hours to 7 pm.” The appellate court is also being asked to set aside the leave granted by Justice Dean-Armorer and have the petitions dismissed.

In the notices of appeal, the winning parliamentarians also mentioned that they were not properly served with all the documents relative to the petitions.

Their service of the notice of appeals were done by electronic means (via email) in accordance with the Civil Proceedings Rules 1998 which provides for same.

The UNC’s attorneys were given 24 hours to respond, failing which there is the assumption that service of the documents were accepted.

The issue of service of the election petitions turned ugly last week when Attorney General Faris Al- Rawi, the sitting Member of Parliament for the San Fernando West seat, was served with his election petition at the funeral service for former minister Errol Mahabir. The service was effected by a bailiff who later claimed he was verbally abused by Al-Rawi.

Attorney for the UNC Wayne Sturge defended the actions of the bailiff. Relative to the petitions, the ruling PNM have repeatedly maintained that the party was not overly perturbed by the court granting leave to the UNC to contest the results of the six constituencies.

The party’s chairman, Minister Franklin Khan has said that the Opposition was free to pursue whatever course of action it wants.

“Our lawyers have indicated that they do not stand a ghost of a chance of victory but it is law and due process has to take place. We are not overly perturbed by that,” he said at a general council meeting, one day after the leave was granted by the court.

He added then, “Obviously, once due process has started we have no comment to make. It is largely a matter between the EBC and the UNC, on whether the EBC acted within their remit and jurisdiction.” Senior Counsel Douglas Mendes and attorney Michael Quamina are also representing the PNM.

EBC ALSO APPEALS

Also appealing the leave granted to the UNC is the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC).
A total of 12 grounds of appeal have been filed by the EBC’s lawyers Senior Counsel Russell Martineau, Deborah Peake and attorneys Ravi Heffes- Doon and Alana Bissessar.

The commission is also contending that the judge was wrong to grant leave to the Opposition to question the validity of the six successfully elected members of Parliament.

The EBC’s notice of appeal further takes issue with the failure of the UNC to establish that the election of the six MPs were invalid because of the decision to extend the hours of the poll by one hour. They also say the judge erred by granting leave in the absence of evidence that the extension of the polls had an effect on the results in the six constituencies.

The EBC also argues that the judge failed to consider that Section 35(3) of the Representation of the People’s Act states that no election shall be declared invalid by reason of any act by a Returning Officer if it appears to the court that the act did not materially affect the result of the election.

They also state that evidence that the election was affected was required for the granting of leave, so too verified facts as to the approximate number of votes cast between the hours of 6 pm and 7 pm and whether there was any material effect to the end results of the polls.

Also among the 12 grounds of appeal is a contention by the EBC that the election agent for the UNC, had by letter dated September 7, threatened the EBC with legal proceedings in the event it did not give notice to all presiding officers of the extended hours of the poll.

The Commission’s lawyers argue that the judge failed to consider this when she granted leave and as a result of her giving permission to present the petitions, erred in law.

The EBC is also seeking to have the judge’s order of leave set aside.

The UNC lost the election with 18 seats to the PNM’s 23 seats and is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution gave the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional voting hours of 6 am to 6 pm.
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Court to set date for EBC, PNM appeals
« Reply #1022 on: October 01, 2015, 11:22:52 PM »
Court to set date for EBC, PNM appeals
By Rickie Ramdass (T&T Express)
Published on Oct 1, 2015, 9:12 pm AST



THE Court of Appeal is expected to set a date within the next 28 days to hear two appeals filed by the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) and the People's National Movement (PNM) against the granting of leave to the United National Congress (UNC) to challenge the legality of the EBC's one-hour extension of the September 7 general election voting time.

On Tuesday, the PNM joined in on the looming legal battle between the EBC and the UNC when it filed its own appeal against the decision of Justice Mira Dean-Armorer, who granted leave to the UNC two weeks ago.

The UNC is seeking to have the election results in the six marginal constituencies of St Joseph, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, Moruga/Tableland and San Fernando West, which were captured by the PNM, declared null and void.

It is contending that the decision taken by the EBC to extend the traditional voting time of 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. by an additional hour due to inclement weather was unlawful and that this move worked to the benefit of the PNM.

The PNM captured a total of 23 seats with the UNC getting 18.

On Monday, the EBC filed its appeal challenging Justice Dean-Armorer's granting of leave. Attorneys for the UNC have since received notice of both appeals being filed, but are yet to receive the grounds of the appeal being relied upon by the EBC and the PNM.

The UNC is seeking to argue that the EBC did not have the authority to extend the voting time because of inclement whether, but was only allowed to adjourn the voting process to the other day without the consent of the President should there be election violence.

The EBC, on the other hand, is contending that under the Constitution, it was the sole independent body that governed how the voting process should take place and did not need the permission of a third party to extend the voting hours if it chose to do so.

Last Friday, the issue of serving legal documents in the case shot into the public domain after bailiff Mark Adams served documents to Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi at the funeral service of PNM stalwart Errol Mahabir.
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PNM OUT OF TIME
« Reply #1023 on: October 02, 2015, 12:41:37 AM »
PNM OUT OF TIME
By JADA LOUTOO Friday, October 2 2015 (T&T Newsday)


NOTICES of the six successful People’s National Movement (PNM) members of Parliament against the election petitions were filed out of time. One day after the notices were filed in the Registry of the appellate court at the Hall of Justice, Port-of- Spain, lawyers representing the ruling party filed an additional application, asking the courts for an extension of time.

The mistake was made as the PNM’s attorneys were of the opinion that they had 14 days in which to appeal the petitions.

However, it was later realised that the Civil Proceedings Rules of the Supreme Court only gave seven days for the filing of a procedural appeal. The seven days would have expired on September 28.

The six notices of appeal were filed one day later.

The PNM parliamentarians are asking that the time be extended to October 2. They are also asking that the hearing of the application for the extension be expedited due to the urgent nature of the proceedings. The PNM parliamentarians — Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi (San Fernando West); Maxie Cuffie (La Horquetta/Talparo); Glenda Jennings-Smith (Toco/Sangre Grande); Esmond Forde (Tunapuna); Terrence Deyalsingh (St Joseph) and Dr Lovell Francis (Moruga/Tableland) — who each won their respective seats in six disputed marginal constituencies, say the judge erred in law when she granted leave to the Opposition party, “in the absence of any evidence that anyone joined the lines to vote after 6 pm and was allowed to vote, and/or the number of such persons, such as to suggest that the result of the election might have been materially affected by the alleged unlawful extension of polling hours to 7 pm.” The appellate court is also being asked to set aside the leave granted by Justice Dean-Armorer and have the petitions dismissed.

The application for extension filed yesterday gave details as to what occurred, resulting in the late filing of the appeals. According to the application, the petitions were served on the PNM MPs between September 23 and 28, however since the granting of leave by Dean-Armorer was made on September 18, the last day for the filing of the procedural appeal under the CPR was September 28.

The application pointed out, however, that the Election Proceedings Rules gave 14 days but since the appeals lodged on Wednesday could be considered procedural in nature, the application for the extension was being made out of an abundance of caution.

According to the reasons set out in the application for the additional time, a notice of appeal had been prepared on September 28 and presented to the Registry of the Court of Appeal, before the closing time of 4 pm.

The appeal was not accepted because the personal addresses of the six PNM MPs and their defeated colleagues from the UNC were not set out in the notice.

By the time, the necessary information had been received and the additions to the notices made, the filing clerk at the registry indicated that the six successful PNM MPs had 42 days in which to file their appeal.

She also indicated to the law clerk for Elena Araujo, one of the PNM’s attorneys, that he could return the next day, before she closed the filing counter.

The application for the extension maintained that the failure to file within seven days was not intentional.

It also noted that the appellants had been served with the order of Dean-Armorer mere days before the seven day deadline was due to expire and that an attempted had been made to file on time but was not accepted by the Registry.

Pointing out that the explanation given for the one-day-late filing was a good one, the lawyers also noted that their request for additional time was done promptly and would not prejudice the UNC, since there was already the appeal filed by the Elections and Boundaries Commission, pending before the courts.

“It is both in the interest of the administration of justice as well as in the general public interest to permit the appellant to challenge the order of Madam Justice Dean-Armorer, as the appeal raises matters which concern how challenges to due election of Members of Parliament are to be permitted,” the notice of application for the extension stated.

On Monday, the EBC filed 12 grounds of appeal also contending that the judge was wrong to grant leave to the Opposition to question the validity of the six successfully elected members of Parliament. The UNC lost the election with 18 seats to the PNM’s 23 seats and is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution gave the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional voting hours of 6 am to 6 pm. No date has been set for the hearing of the appeals.
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Re: How yuh voting?
« Reply #1024 on: August 09, 2020, 01:21:15 PM »
Was passin ole talk with my cousin the otherday (he livin in the US too) and the topic of voting in this election came up. Especially this particular COVID election, where people can't go home to vote even if they wanted to, but an even more general question on mail-in ballots to...like the embassy or something. We have any of that in place in T&T?
I did a quick search and it seem like the list of "special electors" like offshore oil rig workers, don't really include people living in foreign. The language too about Polling stations and even Caricom Nationals getting to vote once they could prove they "reside" at an address...I guess they concerned about a bunch of foreigners say they living in a swing district like Tunapuna... Anybody on the forum in the know?

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Re: How yuh voting?
« Reply #1025 on: August 09, 2020, 07:40:16 PM »
Which party hired Trinione to do a poll? Lol 😂

All I know is that it have one set ah chuppidybeing used by a certain party- you ent see how they desperate causing all kinda mudslinging and bribing potential voters - pure acts of desperation


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Re: How yuh voting?
« Reply #1026 on: August 10, 2020, 05:03:39 AM »
Allyuh too damn fass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How yuh voting?
« Reply #1027 on: August 10, 2020, 11:19:40 PM »
PNM won 22 - 19 ? I eh sure.

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Re: How yuh voting?
« Reply #1028 on: August 11, 2020, 09:47:24 AM »
PNM won 22 - 19 ? I eh sure.
That's what I saw too but haven't heard anything official yet.

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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1029 on: August 13, 2020, 09:41:52 PM »
U ent see how they whinnng and keep on disrupting the processs
Very disappointed by all these candidates - - there is no honour among thieves with outlandish claims
I am appalluded by derogatory social media statements  which  are very disturbing - personal attacks on a any Leader and or any one people is very disrespectful.

But again all this is deflecting from an election victory and perhaps designed to disrupt and impede the democratic process

Tell me how does anyone belong and partake in a party whose leadership incites direct or oblique racist discourse? How does  a " blank person" find acceptance in such a party much less exhalt the principles of such a political entity?

The fact is that we are a pluralistic nation and as such any one ethnicity could be and has a right to be in position of governance. However any individual ascribing to take on a leadership regardless of ethnicity should do so with an ethical regard to all members of the electorate - opposing issues is one thing but attacking the ethnicity and by mere actions allowing followers to elicit rampant and explicit ethnic denegrating attacks is unconsciousable .

Shame shame shame on those individuals who resort to these insidious forms of  attacks on others to vent their hatred and defeat- All leaders and or elected individuals should take on a moral responsibility to call upon individuals to cease from this ethnic divide and to adopt a National identity-  'Trinbagonian'

BTW- people get caught up with either trying to defend, deny or accuse what was actually said by a leader - but no one seems to be questioning the intent nor asking for clarification of the term- what is a " blank man'?
If that was indeed the statement?
When leaders make disparaging statements it seems to give rise to their followers that this type of behaviour is condone. All we have to do is to witness the verbal diaherra from certain leaders in North America and see how political correctness is thrown out the window- how do blank republicans abide by or support a rhetoric of diviseness? And you know how we like foreign and how we like to emulate the American ideal- it's no wonder that the divisiness which we are seeing in TnT has become so pervasive and callous among sectorsi in our society- this is the pandemic of hatred we are encountering amidst the backdrop of an election- people wake up and look at a national identity as oppose to one of ethnic divide based on party.
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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1030 on: August 17, 2020, 04:08:56 PM »
All 6 recounts completed

1. Tunapuna
Recount Completed
Esmond Forde 9460 ... PNM be
David Nakid 7533 ... UNC
Margin of Victory 1927

2. La Horquetta/Talparo
Recount Completed
Foster Cummings PNM 9391
Jerlean John UNC 7297
Margin of Victory 2094

3. San Fernando West
Recount Completed
Final Recount Results:
PNM Faris Al-Rawi - 8449
UNC Sean Sobers - 6754
Margin of Victory 1695

4. TocoSangre Grande
Recount Completed
Final Results
PNM Roger Monroe 10694
UNC Nabila Greene 7303
Margin of Victory 3391

5. St Joseph
Recount Completed
Final Results
PNM Terrance Deyalsingh 9363
UNC  Ahloy Hunt 8539
Margin of Victory 824

6. Tobago East
Recount completed
Final results
PNM Ayanna Webster-Roy 6,573
PDP Watson Duke 5,729
Margin of Victory 844

PNM Victory in all 6

PNM 22
UNC 19

Congratulations Dr. Keith Christopher Rowley, the Next Prime Minister of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago

Talk done - over and out- let's move on let's move forward and let's all stand up and denounce the divisiness bs - cool down like baghi

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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1031 on: August 18, 2020, 09:50:24 AM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

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« Reply #1032 on: August 18, 2020, 10:05:04 AM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone

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« Reply #1033 on: August 18, 2020, 11:48:11 AM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone

The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).

The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.
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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1034 on: August 18, 2020, 12:34:33 PM »
Cadiz: Accept your election loss
CLINT CHAN TACK (NEWSDAY).


FORMER PP minister and MP Stephen Cadiz said the people who lost the August 10 general election need to accept their loss and move on.

In a post on his Facebook page, Cadiz addressed his views on last week's election result to no one in particular.

He said, "Losing an election means that you were either unprepared, you lost your appeal, people do not trust you, never got the messaging right, on the day organization fell flat, you targeted the wrong people, and a number of other reasons.

"The other person won and you cannot blame them for winning. It was you who lost." He also said that he has worked in polling stations since 1981. Cadiz said, "Unless you are in cahoots with the persons who are obviously fudging the vote count you cannot rig the result. It is what it is."

Under those circumstances, Cadiz said the loser should "take your licks and go home."

The PNM defeated the UNC 22-19 in last Monday's election. UNC leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar has so far refused to concede defeat and the party called for recounts in five seats (San Fernando West, St Joseph, Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo and Toco/Sangre Grande).

The recounts have ended in San Fernando West, Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo and Toco/Sangre Grande with the PNM's victories in all of these seats being confirmed. The ballot count has been completed in St Joseph but the poll card count is continuing.

Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh retained St Joseph for the PNM in the election.

There have been calls from UNC members and others for Persad-Bissessar to resign as party leader. But UNC PRO and Tabaquite-elect MP Anita Haynes said the party has full confidence in Persad-Bissessar and sees no reason for her to resign.

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« Reply #1035 on: August 18, 2020, 07:33:42 PM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone

The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).

The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.

My assertion has really little to do with my alleged political affinity but more with moral ethical decisions- appointments should have some merit attached to it and some demonstrable competency.
In the same way when the late pm  Mr. Patrick  Manning won his election and appointed his wife as education minister thus creating a potential conflict of interest and nepotism.

Don't confuse my assertions with party preference - in a democracy it is very feasible and creditable to have an opposition that ensures accountability ant that the elected  officials govern with fatness and responsibility on behalf of the electorates-
However when you have an opposition party bend on dividing a nation with their discourse and acting in ways that could destabilize governance I will continue to express my displeasure at patronage appointments .
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« Reply #1036 on: August 19, 2020, 01:13:31 AM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone

The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).

The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.

My assertion has really little to do with my alleged political affinity but more with moral ethical decisions- appointments should have some merit attached to it and some demonstrable competency.
In the same way when the late pm  Mr. Patrick  Manning won his election and appointed his wife as education minister thus creating a potential conflict of interest and nepotism.

Don't confuse my assertions with party preference - in a democracy it is very feasible and creditable to have an opposition that ensures accountability ant that the elected  officials govern with fatness and responsibility on behalf of the electorates-
However when you have an opposition party bend on dividing a nation with their discourse and acting in ways that could destabilize governance I will continue to express my displeasure at patronage appointments .
Ameb

 :)

You want me to deduce that your mention of Manning renders you auto-critical of the PNM? Tempting, but I can't impute that decision of the late Prime Minister to the collective machinery of the party - even given the acquiescence of some in the decision. Also, substantively, the naming of a spouse in a Cabinet is not presumptively conflicting of interest, patronage,  nepotism, immorality or an ethics violation.

The process of  "getting there" could be fraught with those pitfalls and likely your issue with that episode has to do with perception of the episode and the process of its development ... but none of that is a suitable comparison to the matter of David Nakhid's competency or merit to serve in the Senate (although I am amused that you had to go back almost 20 years to find a PNM-related issue that you find disturbing)  ;D

It's not sustainable to view the appointment of an educated person who has participated in the national discourse for years and who performed creditably at the polls as a patronage appointment. That's a disingenuous position.

Apparently it isn't Hazel Manning's mere appointment to the Senate that bothered you as much as her elevation to a ministerial portfolio did? :) Have no fear,  there's no chance of that happening here.

Post-election the UNC has taken some unhelpful and hopefully regrettable positions, but there still needs to be a seated Opposition in the Senate and it is likely and sensible that a UNC senator emerge from one of the faux recount constituencies.
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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1037 on: August 20, 2020, 06:05:52 PM »
Judging by the lack of response to this thread, I hope not too many are disappointed, apathetic or uninterested.

One of the most informative and historical shows was on Power 102 yesterday - it really illustrated that this ethnic divide has historical and deep.y embedded divide dating back to the 30's

People learn to discern before you proclaim

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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1038 on: August 21, 2020, 08:55:58 PM »
Judging by the lack of response to this thread, I hope not too many are disappointed, apathetic or uninterested.

One of the most informative and historical shows was on Power 102 yesterday - it really illustrated that this ethnic divide has historical and deep.y embedded divide dating back to the 30's

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Unless there is a heavy hand to foster some type of integration, change will take a very long time to come. I have yet to see or read about a society that is divided almost equally and live harmoniously. There is always pulling and tugging. Many a times it end s in violence. Sometimes deadly violence. We have not reach  that stage and I sincerely hope we don't. Look at this. The Spanish, Brits brought all of us here and told us to follow the their laws. That's basically it. We just had to learn to live with each other. Just deal with one another. It is still a work in progress. Taking longer than usual to some of us. But look at the US. They are a much older country and look at their state of race and ethnic relationships.

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Re: T&T General Elections Thread
« Reply #1039 on: September 02, 2020, 06:40:44 PM »
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.

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