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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2010, 09:39:00 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
Ken Ali (T&T Guardian).


Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2010, 09:46:41 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
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Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

He done speak ah ready.
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2010, 09:50:45 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
Ken Ali (T&T Guardian).


Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

He done speak ah ready.

He said dem fellas getting extradited no favours !..unless you saying he changed his mind and now have the same opinion of the British luminaries above ?.. and if that is the case then why the Opposition has not exploited this ?..
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2010, 10:02:41 PM »
Those so called luminairies get paid for that favorable opinion!

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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2010, 10:04:27 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
Ken Ali (T&T Guardian).


Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

He done speak ah ready.

He said dem fellas getting extradited no favours !..unless you saying he changed his mind and now have the same opinion of the British luminaries above ?.. and if that is the case then why the Opposition has not exploited this ?..

When he sat dat? D man say give he dem some days 2 say y dey should not go and evybody and dey brother sayin y dey should not go. D Privy Council done say it eh dey business and d local courts say they should go but dey still here.
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2010, 10:13:20 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
Ken Ali (T&T Guardian).


Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

He done speak ah ready.

He said dem fellas getting extradited no favours !..unless you saying he changed his mind and now have the same opinion of the British luminaries above ?.. and if that is the case then why the Opposition has not exploited this ?..

When he sat dat? D man say give he dem some days 2 say y dey should not go and evybody and dey brother sayin y dey should not go. D Privy Council done say it eh dey business and d local courts say they should go but dey still here.

I was incorrect when I said he wanted them extradited BUT i knew he had said he is not giving them any favours (check link below)..does he still have the same opinion now?..right now he seems very uncertain..

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=21312
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2010, 10:19:27 PM »
Flex, the first 2 - chapters of this story started about 2 weeks ago.  Ah too lazy to dig up the relevant articles now, but like Mr. Ken Ali of the Guardian on a campaign.  Ah wonder when he goh find legal luminaries that support the view that the 2 goodly gentlemen should be extradited??  Eh Ken?  Eh? When we goh see that story hoss??.....steups!!... ::) ::)

Anand boy go ahead and keep all yuh money men here.....I want to see if all yuh that bold faced.... :waiting:

Who go stop dem from being boleface?

Give them enough rope they goh hang they self....ask Patrick....

Hang?  Who?

Dem could only hang deyself if the public helping dem and right now de public just give them a brnd new mandate.  Ish and dem home free.  Anand wrangling tuh find some justification two months now to deny the extradition.  Now they find some flunky in de Guardian (Jack paper... so no real surprise dey) tuh sing de praises of two Englishmen... and Sir Ellis of course, and say they should not be extradited.  I nearly tie up mih belly in knots laughing when I read that one of these legal luminaries commenting on matters of criminal and constitutional issues, has his expertise in... wait for it.... civil litigation.

And Trinidadians so damn dotish that half ah dem wouldn't know why that should inform his opinion on the matter.  The other half won't care because PeeoNeM days done and is PeePee time now.

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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2010, 10:23:32 PM »
I was incorrect when I said he wanted them extradited BUT i knew he had said he is not giving them any favours (check link below)..does he still have the same opinion now?..right now he seems very uncertain..

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=21312

Why he "uncertain"?  These two 'luminaries' know better than de facking Privy Council?


I really want to see how things go play out with this one... and subsequent controversies (yuh know is only a matter of time) involving this new party.  I watching de vibes in Trinidad... I watching the media... and I watching all who was bumping dey gum every other day, posting articles and crying down Manning and dem.  Not that they didn't deserve the criticism... but ah watching to see how deep de partisanship running.

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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2010, 10:39:47 PM »
I was incorrect when I said he wanted them extradited BUT i knew he had said he is not giving them any favours (check link below)..does he still have the same opinion now?..right now he seems very uncertain..

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=21312

Why he "uncertain"?  These two 'luminaries' know better than de facking Privy Council?


I really want to see how things go play out with this one... and subsequent controversies (yuh know is only a matter of time) involving this new party.  I watching de vibes in Trinidad... I watching the media... and I watching all who was bumping dey gum every other day, posting articles and crying down Manning and dem.  Not that they didn't deserve the criticism... but ah watching to see how deep de partisanship running.


Thats my point ..why does he seem uncertain now ?..Presently his stance is more neutral but fom the get go he was not like dat. I expect we will know soon know if he still have the same stance from when he made those comments in the article above..(time will tell but I will wait patiently before casting judgement)

I agree with you..just like you I do not believe them two lumanaries know more than the Privy council hence I want to know if they influencing others...(maybe time will tell i am just asking for now)

..but in my first post I ask where and when does the Opposition party pounce in all of this ?...I believe every country needs a good Opposition to keep the government in check for the benefit of all citizens, not an opposition who ready to play dead..
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2010, 10:43:48 PM »
I was incorrect when I said he wanted them extradited BUT i knew he had said he is not giving them any favours (check link below)..does he still have the same opinion now?..right now he seems very uncertain..

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=21312

Why he "uncertain"?  These two 'luminaries' know better than de facking Privy Council?


I really want to see how things go play out with this one... and subsequent controversies (yuh know is only a matter of time) involving this new party.  I watching de vibes in Trinidad... I watching the media... and I watching all who was bumping dey gum every other day, posting articles and crying down Manning and dem.  Not that they didn't deserve the criticism... but ah watching to see how deep de partisanship running.

I will be criticising the new party the same way..it would be no different from me..once I see shit I will criticise...and it could be shit from anyone or any party

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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2010, 10:54:35 PM »
Who says a Democracy needs good opposition. The "people" do not want opposition. That is why the vote out the PNM. They want a one party state.

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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2010, 10:59:08 PM »
Who says a Democracy needs good opposition. The "people" do not want opposition. That is why the vote out the PNM. They want a one party state.

I will have to disagree here..obviously when you say "people" you are only thinking about the "people" of the winning party ?..because you cannot be referring to the people of the entire country...do you want to describe your interpration of the "people" ?...and I said a country needs good Opposition to keep teh Government in check..if you feel otherwise then elaborate
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2010, 11:25:36 PM »
Try Ish, Steve in T&T.
Ken Ali (T&T Guardian).


Two British legal luminaries are sharing the views of Sir Ellis Clarke that businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson should face trial in Trinidad and Tobago. Andrew Mitchell, QC, and Michael Beloff, QC, have forwarded separate exhaustive legal advice to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, advocating that the businessmen not be extradited to the United States.

The legal opinions of Mitchell and Beloff mesh with that of the eminent Sir Ellis, who recently stressed that Trinidad and Tobago is “the proper forum” for the trial of Galbaransingh and Ferguson. Galbaransingh and Ferguson are on trial with respect to public contracts for development of Piarco International Airport in the late 1990s.

The US authorities have been seeking to have the businessmen extradited to American soil to face separate trial. Beloff, named last year as one of the most influential attorneys in Britain, urged Ramlogan to refuse the extradition request of the US “on the grounds that it was not made in good faith.”

He stressed that “the correct forum for trial in this matter...is Trinidad and Tobago.” Mitchell, described as one of Britain’s pre-eminent attorneys, said “the proper forum is Trinidad and Tobago” and that the Attorney General “really has no option...”

He added: “To do otherwise would be unjust to all the accused in this case.” Such a move, he said, “would deprive the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago the right to follow and have an interest in the outcome of the matter. “It is, therefore, not in the public interest to extradite,” he added. Mitchell stated that the Extradition Act “contemplates the act of ‘return,’” He added that a decision to extradite in this case “is not so much a return...to the place where the alleged conduct was carried out.”

Instead, it is a case of sending Galbaransingh and Ferguson “to the place where consequential criminal allegations dependent on the proof of the primary conduct is to be tried and thus far away from the centre of main interest in the criminal matter,” Mitchell said.

He further stated that the issue of the proper forum for the trial was determined when, in 2005, an application was made for co-accused Eduardo Hillman-Waller, an American citizen, to be extradited to T&T. He said: “If further evidence were needed of the correct answer to the forum question...it is the decision of the authorities in Trinidad and Tobago to seek the extradition of Mr Hillman-Waller from the US.” Mitchell also argued that the issue “drives at the heart of the sovereignty of Trinidad and Tobago.”

He explained: “It is a decision which engages the right of the public to see and, if they wish, to go and visit a trial and see how the allegations play out in relation to the alleged abuse of taxpayers’ money.” He said that to deny this country the right to have the trial is “tantamount to accepting that there is no appropriate way of trying serious fraud allegations against the State in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Such a message, said Mitchell, “would send all the wrong messages at a time when the policy of the Government appears to be to bring to justice those who commit serious commercial wrongdoing.” He advised that the matter before the Attorney General should not be influenced by “political objectives or interference,” but “should be based on the principles of law and justice.”

Beloff also raised the Hillman-Waller example, saying it “must be considered as a highly material factor in making the current decision on the appropriate forum.” He stressed that “the only reasonable decision that can be reached is that Trinidad and Tobago is the appropriate forum for trial for Mr Ferguson and Mr Galbaransingh.”

About Andrew Mitchell, QC
Andrew Mitchell, QC, has a broad commercial and civil practice in Britain, with particular expertise in banking and financial services, civil fraud and commercial contracts. Mitchell has extensive courtroom experience and has won several prizes and scholarships. He has been described as “one of the UK’s most prominent fraud barristers.”

About Michael Beloff, QC
Michael Beloff, QC, has been dubbed the British bar’s “renaissance man” for his professional successes, hefty workload and work in academia. Beloff boasts a long and varied history of legal work, with more than 400 cases reported in legal reports, and has undertaken many lectures and written a number of publications. In 2008, Lord Bingham described him as “a most accomplished and much-sought-after advocate.” He was president of Trinity College at Oxford University for ten years.


and what has been the Attorney General response to this ?...and at what point does the Opposition party pounce on this ?..

He done speak ah ready.

He said dem fellas getting extradited no favours !..unless you saying he changed his mind and now have the same opinion of the British luminaries above ?.. and if that is the case then why the Opposition has not exploited this ?..

When he sat dat? D man say give he dem some days 2 say y dey should not go and evybody and dey brother sayin y dey should not go. D Privy Council done say it eh dey business and d local courts say they should go but dey still here.

I was incorrect when I said he wanted them extradited BUT i knew he had said he is not giving them any favours (check link below)..does he still have the same opinion now?..right now he seems very uncertain..

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=21312

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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2010, 05:51:21 AM »
No back down on extraditions
By ANDRE BAGOO (NEWSDAY).


WITH high-profile extradition proceedings against two Trinidadians who are wanted in the United States, still pending, US Assistant Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere Arturo Valenzuela yesterday re-affirmed that America will not back down from enforcing extradition treaties with this country and others in the region, including Jamaica.

Valenzuela made this clear as he spoke at a media roundtable at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of- Spain, one day after businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson lost a challenge to quash provisions of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act 1985, which is the framework via which TT and the US cooperate in extradition matters.

“We will continue to implement our extradition treaties with Jamaica and other countries,” Valenzuela said when questioned over US policy on extradition in light of recent conflicts in the region stemming from the issue. “It’s important that these treaties be implemented according to the letter of the law.”

“The treaties are the function of the law. Under these treaties, the United States can ask for the extradition of officials for committing crimes in the United States. At the same time the countries can also request extradition from the US, so these are the cooperative arrangements,” Valenzuela said. “They are subject very much to the law, to the evidence.”

Galbaransingh and Ferguson were indicted by a US grand jury on November 29, 2005. The two are wanted in the US to answer charges of wire fraud, money laundering, bid-rigging and conspiracy in relation to the Piarco International Airport project.

The US extradition requests have triggered debate over whether they impinge on sovereignty and on constitutional rights throughout the region.
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2010, 12:05:11 PM »
While I believe Ish and co. have to answer to their charges, I wonder if the same stance applies when US citizens are to be extradited to Trinidad to face charges? If so, then :applause:

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« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2010, 10:52:18 PM »
Case for extradition
Stay could end proceedings against Ferguson, Galbaransingh
By Donstan Bonn donstan.bonn@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Aug 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM ECT

(Story Updated: Aug 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM ECT )

A stay of extradition could spell the end of criminal proceedings against local businessmen Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh.

In order to avoid duplication of the charges laid in the United States, former Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Geoffrey Henderson discontinued the local charges against both men. So, failure to process their extradition request may see Ferguson and Galbaransingh avoid facing criminal charges both locally and in the US.

DPP Roger Gaspard believes the local charges that were discontinued by his predecessor could be reinstated.

However, Senior Counsels Israel Khan and Dana Seetahal, and a third legal expert who requested anonymity do not agree.

“That does not happen,” says Seetahal. “It is protected under the constitution. If any attempt is made to reinstate the discontinued charges it would amount to an abuse of process.”

Ferguson, former CEO of Maritime General, and Galbaransingh, Northern Construction Limited executive chairman, were indicted by a US grand jury on November 29, 2005, to answer alleged corruption-related charges stemming from the construction of the $1.6 billion Piarco International Airport Terminal building.

The charges, 95 in total, arose from allegations of wire fraud, money laundering, bid-rigging, kickbacks, and conspiracy carried out with their associates, one of them being Raul J. Gutierrez Jr, the owner of the Miami-based Calmaquip Engineering Corporation, one of the major suppliers to the Piarco Airport project.

The businessmen lost one of their two battles to avoid extradition when on June 7, 2010, the Privy Council refused leave for them to appeal against the majority decision of the Court of Appeal.

The Court of Appeal had upheld Justice Charmaine Pemberton’s dismissal of their habeas corpus application to prevent extradition.

Their only remaining hope was a constitutional motion by Fixed Date Claim filed on March 11, 2008.

This motion challenged the validity of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, 1985 on the basis that it infringes the constitutional rights of both men under section 4 (a) (e) (h) and section 5 (a) (e) (h) of the constitution.

High Court judge Vasheist Kokaram dismissed the motion on July 29, 2010, citing that the constitution did not guarantee a right not to be extradited.

He ruled that there was no breach of the claimants’ right of freedom of movement but rather a restriction of that right.

“The claimants are neither exiled nor banished from this country, but are surrendering to the requesting state in an interactive process of criminal justice”, Kokaram said.

He also stated that the extradition process was “fair”, with remedies of judicial review, habeas corpus, and challenges to the Court of Appeal and Privy Council available as safeguards.

Section 16 of the Act gives the Attorney General the discretion to order the return of the claimants unless such a return is “unjust or oppressive”.

Gaspard, Khan and Seetahal agree that, legally, there is no specified time frame in which the Attorney General should sign the extradition papers.

However, Khan believes the AG ought to act with a sense of urgency, once he has ensured “due process has taken place by Ferguson and Galbaransingh being afforded all legal recourse available to them”.

Khan says after the men have exhausted all legal avenues, the AG should consult with the Prime Minister and Cabinet before signing the extradition papers.

He believes denial of the extradition would be detrimental to the Government.

“Failure to extradite Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Galbaransingh would not only be a scandalous state of affairs but also the beginning of the end of the People’s Partnership Government.

“Patrick Manning lost the last general election on the issue of corruption and the Basdeo Panday administration (1995-2001) also lost governance on the issue of corruption.”

The ball is in Attorney General Anand Ramlogan’s court.

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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2010, 05:37:24 AM »
Truetrini, Om Lalla was on Power 102 on Marcia's show last week stating emphatically that the extradition cases have not been discontinued here.  Marcia challenged him on it and he said it could be easily cleared up with a phone call.  He checked his sources, came back on the air and repeated his position.

His rationale is that if the DPP had discontinued the cases and the extradition was not ordered by the AG, then the men would go free and that would not make sense.  He said WHEN the extradition order is given THEN the charges would be discontinued locally.....

So mih eh know who to believe.....cuz I read Dana Seetahal's column about 2 -3 weeks ago and she outlined the scenario in the article posted..... :-\  :-\
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2010, 10:58:36 AM »
dat new DPP up shit creek right now....

he aint knoe if tuh turn left or right......
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2010, 11:07:07 AM »
Truetrini, Om Lalla was on Power 102 on Marcia's show last week stating emphatically that the extradition cases have not been discontinued here.  Marcia challenged him on it and he said it could be easily cleared up with a phone call.  He checked his sources, came back on the air and repeated his position.

His rationale is that if the DPP had discontinued the cases and the extradition was not ordered by the AG, then the men would go free and that would not make sense.  He said WHEN the extradition order is given THEN the charges would be discontinued locally.....

So mih eh know who to believe.....cuz I read Dana Seetahal's column about 2 -3 weeks ago and she outlined the scenario in the article posted..... :-\  :-\

You eh realize by now dat yuh have to take anything Om Liar have to say with ah potspoon ah salt?

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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2010, 07:33:31 PM »
You eh realize by now dat yuh have to take anything Om Liar have to say with ah potspoon ah salt?

Yes Bakes ah know, he is Jack/TTFF and the UNC's lawyer soooooo......ah just selling the story like ah buy it....I have to go with Dana Seetahal on this one...she's always appeared to be impartial....and she writing in the Express on Saturdays now so mih eh have to check she in the Guardian no more....
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2010, 08:35:26 AM »
Ish and Steve to be extradited to the US
By NALINEE SEELAL and COREY CONNELLY.
Sunday, October 10 2010


After weeks of speculation, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan yesterday signed an extradition order granting the United States Government the permission to extradite businessmen Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh to the United States to answer fraud charges.

The men, who were UNC financiers, face a total of 95 charges relating to the construction of the controversial $1.6 billion Piarco Airport Terminal building.

The decision by the AG came following recommendations for the extraditions by both the US Government and this country’s Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard.

On September 23, the AG received a list of recommendations from the US Government, which had clearly stated reasons why the two men should face trial in that country.

Six days later, Gaspard also sent his advice to the AG which effectively paved the way for the extraditions of Ferguson and Galbaransingh.

Attorneys for the two men are expected to visit them at the Golden Grove Prison in Arouca today to inform them of Ramlogan’s decision.

The People’s Partnership Government had come under fire from several quarters for its perceived hesitance in decisively addressing the longstanding matter.

Ramlogan, who is constitutionally charged with the responsibility and statutory duty to decide extradition requests, had said, though, that the matter was delicate and could not be rushed.

Sources yesterday revealed that the extradition could take place as early as today.

The two men were incarcerated following a decision by then acting Police Commissioner James Philbert to take them into custody and place at the Golden Grove Prison on grounds that the terms and conditions of their bail had come to an end.

Yesterday, in a brief statement issued by the AG, he noted that the allegations against both Ferguson and Galbaransingh were “complex and serious.”

“The Chief Magistrate has found that there is evidence supporting a prima facie case against them both on the conduct alleged in the American request. “That decision has been upheld by our High Court and Court of Appeal and the Privy Council dismissed an application to appeal against the Court of Appeal’s decision,” the AG said in the release.

Ramlogan said both the US and Trinidad and Tobago had carried out extensive investigations into the alleged criminal conduct of Ferguson and Galbaransingh.

“The alleged criminal conduct has affected and may have occurred in both the United States of America and Trinidad and Tobago. Whilst all countries have a right to try persons accused of conduct that affects their individual country, there is a discretionary power in the AG to extradite accused persons in certain circumstances in the interest of justice,” he said.

Extensive written representations were submitted to the AG, at his request, on behalf of the two accused. Further representations were then solicited from the US government and the DPP, the statement said.

It added that the last set of representations were received from the DPP on September 29, 2010 “and there has hence been no delay by the AG in arriving at a decision in this matter.”

The release said: “The AG, having carefully considered all the representations submitted to him in this extradition matter, has decided that the USA is the more appropriate and convenient forum for these charges.

“He is convinced that Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh will receive a fair trial in the United States of America and the interest of justice is best served by their extradition to the USA.

It is important that these serious allegations be tried as soon as possible. In all the circumstances the AG has therefore decided that it is right that they be tried in the United States of America where they will be either acquitted or convicted,” it added.

Ferguson and Galbaransingh were among several former public officials who were charged in 2002 with various offences, including conspiracy to defraud the Government of TT, arising out of the construction of the Piarco Airport Terminal building
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Re: Ish Galbaransingh in jail.
« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2010, 09:15:10 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2010, 02:47:07 PM »
What flight dey on?
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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2010, 05:06:03 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2010, 05:22:18 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet

So d US stickin now?
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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2010, 06:50:16 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet

So d US stickin now?
they sending for the on the 13th
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2010, 06:52:52 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet

So d US stickin now?

yes
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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2010, 07:07:36 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet

So d US stickin now?
they sending for the on the 13th
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1391278550028

This video cleared up the High Court thing.  I did catch this earlier and thought that they had applied to the High Court (which they did) but apparently the High Court blanked them (which I didn't catch earlier)....good....

When the jail doors slam behind dem, den I goh celebrate....but good going AG.  Not sure what took yuh so long.  Ah guess yuh had to show that yuh really did EVERYTHING in yuh power to help the boys but even you MUST know that they had to go eventually.....
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2010, 07:23:11 PM »
What flight dey on?

not yet...US authorities say how they cant make arrangements to fly them out as yet

So d US stickin now?
they sending for the on the 13th
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1391278550028

This video cleared up the High Court thing.  I did catch this earlier and thought that they had applied to the High Court (which they did) but apparently the High Court blanked them (which I didn't catch earlier)....good....

When the jail doors slam behind dem, den I goh celebrate....but good going AG.  Not sure what took yuh so long.  Ah guess yuh had to show that yuh really did EVERYTHING in yuh power to help the boys but even you MUST know that they had to go eventually.....

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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2010, 05:32:48 AM »
This video cleared up the High Court thing.  I did catch this earlier and thought that they had applied to the High Court (which they did) but apparently the High Court blanked them (which I didn't catch earlier)....good....

When the jail doors slam behind dem, den I goh celebrate....but good going AG.  Not sure what took yuh so long.  Ah guess yuh had to show that yuh really did EVERYTHING in yuh power to help the boys but even you MUST know that they had to go eventually.....

He eh do one damn ass other than to stall with ah setta unnecessary grandstanding.  Them was all set for extradition until he step in and stop in when the PP came to power.