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Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« on: October 13, 2005, 06:47:11 AM »
Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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On September 3, 2005, Angus Eve picked up his ticket-he always buys early-and headed to the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Port of Spain, to watch Trinidad and Tobago play a crucial World Cup football qualifier against the visiting Guatemalan team.
The game marked the return of enigmatic midfielder Russell Latapy and Trinidad and Tobago's exciting 3-2 win breathed new life into their 2006 qualifying campaign. But Eve's lasting memory from that evening was not Latapy's wizardry or Stern John's decisive double.
It was the sight of former national player Kerry Jamerson, once Latapy's midfield partner, haggling with a scalper outside the ground for a match ticket.
"Could you imagine Alan Shearer having to buy a ticket to see a football match in England?" said Eve. "If Alan Shearer is 75-years-old, he still getting in any English game for free. I am saying some sort of courtesy should be paid. Maybe the T&TFF should give some sort of pass for anyone who has played for over ten years to watch any Trinidad game in the country at any level for free.
"I think that is a small price to pay for what those guys did. I mean, come on."
Ironically, it was a tremendous goal from Jamerson against Guatemala at the same venue, 16 years ago, which looked like being the turning point in the 1990 qualifying campaign of the national team-then dubbed the "Strike Squad".
Eve never quite managed that sort of signature strike for his country. His most significant goal was in Canada, five years ago, when Trinidad and Tobago beat their hosts 2-0 to go on an impressive run through the CONCACAF semi-final group stage, although they subsequently petered out at the final hurdle.
But the CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh player/coach's contribution can be weighed against an impressive array of statistics.
No one has represented Trinidad and Tobago more than the diminutive Eve. In an international career spanning 14 years, Eve played a part in three World Cup qualifying campaigns, four CONCACAF Gold Cup tournaments and six Caribbean championships.
His final tally, assuming he is not selected for international duty again by present coach Leo Beenhakker, stands at 118 caps with 34 goals. Only 36 players in the history of the game have given more service to their country-granted that Mexico's Pavel Pardo (117), Brazil's Roberto Carlos (117) and Portugal's Luis Figo (115) are closing in fast.
Twelve of Eve's goals came in World Cup qualifying action, which is bettered by just two of his compatriots. Steve David and Stern John have 16 World Cup goals each.
If Jamerson deserved better than having to match his wits and business sense against a scalper, then surely the same can be said for Eve.
Six years ago, Eve played in David Nakhid's testimonial match at the Port of Spain stadium against a South African team.
Nakhid, a cerebral midfielder, is among the finest players to have worn red, black and white strip over the past decade. But there are at least a dozen ex-nationals who deserve at least as much.
Anyone remembers "Marvellous" Marvin Faustin, Clayton "JB" Morris, Dexter Francis, Brian Williams, Leonson Lewis or, Eve's own boyhood hero, Hutson "Barber" Charles? Not that Express Sports dares suggest that there were no similarly deserving icons of bygone eras. A certain former player and coach, Everald "Gally" Cummings, springs to mind.
"We in Trinidad don't respect our own thing," said Eve. "We respect all that is foreign I remember we reached the semi-final in the Gold Cup and they ridiculed Bertille (St Clair) and fired him.
"The other day, we did not even leave the group stage and the coach is the best we ever had."
Eve is uncomfortably close to Beenhakker's squad to use him in such an analogy, but he is not pulling his punches.
It is nothing personal but Eve admits to a "sour taste" after being left out of the squad when he thinks that he can still contribute.
Is he wrong? His opinion is debatable, but expect Eve to stick to his guns. He has been proving critics wrong for over two decades.
At roughly five foot six inches, Eve has consistently punched above his weight. And he is not cowered by Beenhakker's impressive resume when he believes he has been slighted.
"If (I was left out) because of how I was playing or my age," said Eve, "I would probably accept that. But it left a sour taste in my mouth because I felt it was because I was playing locally.
"I have heard the coach say that the standard of local league is very poor, but I disagree. I dare him to put some of the professionals he has into the professional league.
In some respects, Eve's career has gone full circle. He credits himself with great "mental strength", which helped him rise from humble beginnings in Carenage to represent his country on four continents.
His earliest memory was singing "butcher ball"-his own take on his granddad Lennox Paul's instructions to 'butt the ball'-as he played football while jumping on his bed.
Two years later, his mother, Bernadette Eve, bought him his first pair of tugs to represent Carenage Boys' Government at primary school level.
His reputation was already established at north zone youth level when he had his first stint with a national team in 1987. It lasted less than five minutes.
National under-16 coach Hannibal Najjar took one look at the "nashy" Eve and his puny Carenage sidekick Dean Pacheco and told them not to waste his time. They were not even allowed the courtesy of a trial.
"He told us we were too small," he said. "I don't think it affected me that much at the time because one coach was saying 'no' when everyone else was saying 'yes'. I didn't bother with him.
"But I said that I would never play for another national team again."
Five years later, Eve was a key component of the only T&T team-at the point of writing-to ever qualify for a World Cup tournament. He played a key role in guiding the national under-20 team to the Portugal FIFA World Youth Championship and even edged illustrious teammate Dwight Yorke, who was at top-flight English club Aston Villa, for MVP honours at the Caribbean qualifying stage.
In the build-up to the Portugal tournament, Eve injured his knee during a 4-2 friendly win over Brazil that ranked among his most special moments in the game. He was only half fit when national youth coach Bertille St Clair was requested to select his travelling squad. St Clair took him anyway and used him in every game.
Eve confirmed the bond between him and his mentor, who persuaded him to attend trials three years after Najjar's snub.
"He put a kind of drive and motivation in us that you don't get from just everybody," he said. "He may have his limitations but he is a real genuine person and I think if we had any other coach, we might not have qualified for that youth World Cup.
"If I had to make any recommendation, it would be that Bertille should be the head coach for every youth team in Trinidad and Tobago because he is not just a coach. He is a father figure."
It promised to be the dawn of a new era for a country still sore after missing out on the 1990 World Cup. The dream did not materialise.
Trinidad and Tobago lost 2-0, 6-0 and 4-0 in Portugal to Australia, Egypt and Russia respectively and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) as well as the national public ignored the players and coach on their return home.
Most of the 1991 team fell by the wayside after unsuccessful attempts to break into a senior squad that still comprised a core of Strike Squad players.
Eve's pace, passing skills and precise shooting soon held him to step up a level but his confidence and defiant spirit were equally invaluable.
"I think what I had was always natural," he said. "It was God's gift to me."
He made a succession of national coaches believe him.
Eve's first stint with the senior team came under Cummings in 1991 although his first full international cap came at the 1994 Caribbean Cup, which T&T won at home. The final was memorable for a crushing 7-2 win against Martinique but, before kick off, the national players, led by captain Nakhid, rocked the T&TFF by refusing to play unless paid promised match fees.
The 21-year-old Eve was never afraid to make himself heard-on or off the field-and he might have been touched more than he realised by the stand-off between players and administration.
His career is littered with such conflicts as he grappled with the politics of the game.
He refused invitations from Najjar, Zoran Vranes and Stuart Charles at senior level because he did not think they were "forceful enough" to handle administrative "interference". While he also quit St Clair's outfit for a year in solidarity with teammate and friend, Arnold Dwarika, who ran afoul of the coach's infamous taste regarding long hairstyles.
At 28, Eve's break came when English Third Division club, Chester City, signed the versatile player on a two year deal. But, after a string of rows over his international duty, Eve quit and rejoined Joe Public in Trinidad.
In an era when national coaches relied increasingly on overseas players, Eve did it his way; and won.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Eve is a staunch defender of all things local. He never misses an international game and is anxious to see Trinidad and Tobago qualify for the World Cup.
However, he has his suspicions about the present set-up and the exclusion of local-based talent. His senses tingled when Caledonia AIA/Fire midfielder Densill Theobald earned a sudden recall to the national starting line-up against Panama, on the weekend, soon after impressing on an trial with Scottish Premier League club, Falkirk.
"The facts are there for everyone to see," said Eve. "Densill couldn't play, he went on trials for a couple weeks, and he is in the team now... The first change in every game is Otis Seaton.
"All I am saying is to let the best players play. Whether ten of them from foreign or ten from here."
Eve is unlikely to play again for T&T.
He already holds an English FA coaching badge and, at present, is understudy to Englishman Terry Fenwick at Jabloteh. He hopes to become a head coach in the near future while he is not adverse to showcasing his relative eloquence and sharp tongue as a radio or television commentator. Look for him in the stands when next Trinidad and Tobago play-if he is lucky enough to beat the crowd to a football ticket, of course.
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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 06:51:41 AM »
I agree 100% The man was part of the squad represented his country when ever called upon. Show some respect. I know exactly what he is talking about and Angus you are so right. That is just typical of the people who administrate football in Trinidad and Tobago.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 07:05:20 AM »
nice read and i see where de man comming from
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 07:28:22 AM »
what is eve talking about observer can you please say?? he mention something about theobald getting playing time after falkirk but i guess he forgot thoebald played against panama in trinidad mexico in mexico and played in the GC. lost his place to colin samuel against the usa and to latapy against guatamela and costarica.replace whitley IN STARTING against panama and got a second half run in the win over mexico.

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 08:12:36 AM »
what is eve talking about observer can you please say?? he mention something about theobald getting playing time after falkirk but i guess he forgot thoebald played against panama in trinidad mexico in mexico and played in the GC. lost his place to colin samuel against the usa and to latapy against guatamela and costarica.replace whitley IN STARTING against panama and got a second half run in the win over mexico.

EVE JUST SOUR

triniman have you ever represented your country in any sport??? Can you identify with what Eve is saying. What Eve is saying is more than an issue Theo. Player selection is the coaches business and I have no issue with that. Saying that I will say "yes" the best players should play. But the best players in who's eyes. Obviously that is the coaches decision.
Read the whole letter and see what he is saying. He is quite right about many issues. The biggest issue is the treatment of our athletes who represent the country or who have represented the country in the past. When you see how other Nations show respect for their athletes (past & present), even with simple gestures of a complementry ticket (just an example) or acknowledgement that they are in the stands today. One has a different perspective on, sacrifice, loyalty, patriotism and achievement.
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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 08:29:51 AM »
Eve right about the comp tickets..but he cant make that squad...them fellas on another level now..

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 08:30:12 AM »
The man shouldnt have to buy his ticket. simple as

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 08:38:40 AM »
all dat football and man still doh know he. even i does get free tickets.lol  :rotfl:
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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 08:40:48 AM »
I agree with Eve for the most part.  However, regarding his omission..he sounds a bit bitter.  Leo was hired to do a job and he is doing it..we may not agree all de time but that's life.  Leo comment about the local league is coming from a man who has over 40 years experience in world football so I think it is safe to say he knows football.
Eve should continue to play and if Leo sees it fit to select him..good for him..if not..that's life.  
I know Eve is coaching but is he actually playing league football?

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 08:49:20 AM »
The biggest issue is the treatment of our athletes who represent the country or who have represented the country in the past.

that not hat the article is about boss
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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 08:54:54 AM »
The biggest issue is the treatment of our athletes who represent the country or who have represented the country in the past.

that not hat the article is about boss

Read the first line of my post. Then read the first 4 words of the 2nd sentence.

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 09:19:06 AM »
seems like the local players aurtis whitley and cyd gray did a great job last night so no complaints about the local league players not reaching that level. i would not criticise beenhakker on that. i believe there are other local players like josh johnson that could step up and do just as well.

i think eve has his heart in the right place mate. he has given for his country and expects at least to not see jamerson haggling for a wc ticket and him havin to buy one. that is fair i'd say.

i think he still plays in the league as i still see him in the pictures of recent games on jabloteh.com website.

i think eve needs to cool his head about criticising beenhakker but he has a good point with the other matters he raised.

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 09:26:00 AM »
I agree with Eve for the most part.  However, regarding his omission..he sounds a bit bitter.  Leo was hired to do a job and he is doing it..we may not agree all de time but that's life.  Leo comment about the local league is coming from a man who has over 40 years experience in world football so I think it is safe to say he knows football.
Eve should continue to play and if Leo sees it fit to select him..good for him..if not..that's life.  
I know Eve is coaching but is he actually playing league football?

Eve sounding bitter about being left out of the team, and that is bad! however i understand how he feels about the ticket issue! national players should not have to pay to see the national team play!

He is arguing against a man who has 40 years experience and who coached a team like real madrid!

De man see what de PFL has to offer and made his decisions! Beenie simply say that local players does look better than they really are cause they have plenty time on the ball so they are not really punished by their mistakes!

I remember talking to eve sometime and he saying that bertile's methods of coaching are 'different' but now he sounding like i love bertile! lol

trinis really kixy in truth!
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 09:35:23 AM »
Fly by night waggonist is get free ticket from they company! It's a damn shame that our vetreran players and fromer stars have to fight up with the masses.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2005, 10:40:30 AM »
Andre et al

"Eve sounding bitter about being left out of the team, and that is bad! "
"He is arguing against a man who has 40 years experience and who coached a team like real madrid"
"I remember talking to eve sometime and he saying that bertile's methods of coaching are 'different' but now he sounding like i love bertile! lol"

Your opinion right Andre..

Now if I am a reporter writing a piece on Andre Samuel. and it goes like this

NB: the following article is fiction, and just this poster's attempt at showing how the Media and personal interpretation can be misleading, and give a wrong impression of reality by taking the truth and bending it to make that reporter point or shed light on a particular issue

"Andre Samuel who spoke to Eve on many a occasion, said that Angus is a bitter two face liar. And not a true National Hero, he surely couldn't have represented the country, because when Angus speaks, he contradicts himself regularly. In addition Samuel and the esteemed football guru and colleague, Triniman feels, that Angus should not have an opinion on anything or anybody, because he never got along with any coach, except a man whose methods he found different, which Mr. Samuel knew that he meant, he didn't like that man, and now he says he loves him.
Mr. Samuel also notes, that Eve is bitter about not being selected, because he is not good enough, that is why he is playing in a local league. He also doesn't know and never will, as much as the present Coach, and as a matter of fact, Andre says nobody who ever Coach Real Madrid could ever be wrong about anything he have to say about football in Trinidad. So if the Coach decides to take off Whitley, who was having the game of the campaign, and Leave on Yorke who was having probably his worse game of the campaign, and was hobbling for 10 to 15 minutes before that change, Samuel and Eve says although it may be wrong, this coach do that, so it must be right. So Mr. Samuel says he will never question anything Mr. Beenhakker does, and therfore does not care why he does it. Therefore he is saying do not listen to his (Mr. Samuel) opinion again, because many other posters on this board has many more years of experience than himself. Thanks for the past discussions Mr. Samuel."


My point is, Eve is entitled to his opinion, and he seems to stick by it, regardless of the consequences.
You have an opinion that Eve must not feel anyhow or have an opinion, because your opinion counts more than his. You think trinis are kixy, Eve doh know nuthen, even though he play and represent for an extreme long time, and he must love Bertille because he thinks he is a good youth coach.
 
If you want people to have respect for your opinion, respect other people own, without trying to tear dem up nah.

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2005, 11:01:31 AM »
Andre et al

"Eve sounding bitter about being left out of the team, and that is bad! "
"He is arguing against a man who has 40 years experience and who coached a team like real madrid"
"I remember talking to eve sometime and he saying that bertile's methods of coaching are 'different' but now he sounding like i love bertile! lol"

Your opinion right Andre..

Now if I am a reporter writing a piece on Andre Samuel. and it goes like this

NB: the following article is fiction, and just this poster's attempt at showing how the Media and personal interpretation can be misleading, and give a wrong impression of reality by taking the truth and bending it to make that reporter point or shed light on a particular issue

"Andre Samuel who spoke to Eve on many a occasion, said that Angus is a bitter two face liar. And not a true National Hero, he surely couldn't have represented the country, because when Angus speaks, he contradicts himself regularly. In addition Samuel and the esteemed football guru and colleague, Triniman feels, that Angus should not have an opinion on anything or anybody, because he never got along with any coach, except a man whose methods he found different, which Mr. Samuel knew that he meant, he didn't like that man, and now he says he loves him.
Mr. Samuel also notes, that Eve is bitter about not being selected, because he is not good enough, that is why he is playing in a local league. He also doesn't know and never will, as much as the present Coach, and as a matter of fact, Andre says nobody who ever Coach Real Madrid could ever be wrong about anything he have to say about football in Trinidad. So if the Coach decides to take off Whitley, who was having the game of the campaign, and Leave on Yorke who was having probably his worse game of the campaign, and was hobbling for 10 to 15 minutes before that change, Samuel and Eve says although it may be wrong, this coach do that, so it must be right. So Mr. Samuel says he will never question anything Mr. Beenhakker does, and therfore does not care why he does it. Therefore he is saying do not listen to his (Mr. Samuel) opinion again, because many other posters on this board has many more years of experience than himself. Thanks for the past discussions Mr. Samuel."


My point is, Eve is entitled to his opinion, and he seems to stick by it, regardless of the consequences.
You have an opinion that Eve must not feel anyhow or have an opinion, because your opinion counts more than his. You think trinis are kixy, Eve doh know nuthen, even though he play and represent for an extreme long time, and he must love Bertille because he thinks he is a good youth coach.
 

DAMN!!!   All a dat....

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2005, 11:16:33 AM »
I think any player would feel "ah how" if not selected for any team they have given a positive contribution to for a long time, so I can't fault him for that. To be honest I don't know how well has been playing recently so I can't give an opinion on if he deserves to be there or not. On the other points, I agree with what he says and wish him all the best in his coaching career

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2005, 11:51:21 AM »
nice reading
I don't agree with the Eve on that of the local competition.
Regardless how strong the competition is, he is a hero and other T&T players will still treat him like that.

It's logical to say that he would have had a better change if he was playing hard somewhere in Japan, Australia or Uk. Like a real nomad. Where he has no 'status' and needed to give his best every day, mentally and phisically. Any trainer can then really see if you still have it, since nobody will spare you.
But I agree with all his other comments and I understand he is a bit bitter.

Here in Holland we have a list longer and longer of players that are a little bitter too, but so far they shut up cause you never know if you might get a call...like Davids.
btw: van Basten no liking talkers or players to show off at all ;) Kluivert,Seedorf,vanBommel,Zenden,de Boers etc
 
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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2005, 12:24:44 PM »
Good read.

Re: the Bertille comments. I've met ppl who openly state that BSC had his limitations...but at the same time they only respect him.

It's not that surprising.

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2005, 12:34:20 PM »
That Jameson part was real bad, words can't describe that.  good luck to angus.  Well come WC time, should be an open book selection wise.  pool of players will be larger.  Clean slate.

Re BSC look, no comment-good luck to him also.

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2005, 12:49:17 PM »
Bitter maybe, but put yourself in his shoes, you played for your national team for more dan 10 years and as soon as you are no longer a mainstay with the squad they are on the verge of a world cup place. I personally would be a little disgruntled even though i would have to be professional about it. Over 110 caps and 30 goals is no small feat by any means. I understand his hurt. if we make the world cup i would still take him with the team. even if it is just to train and scout like nahkid.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2005, 12:57:23 PM »
It would be surprisin if Eve, as a professional footballer, would not be disappointed at not being selected to represent his country.  At  the same time, Beenie has the right to select the squad that best fits his style of play.  Maybe he's seeing something that we on  the outside are not seeing.  It's the same thing with Holland.  Van Basten is not necessarily selecting the "best" players for the national team, but he keeps on winning, and his critics are not getting fuel to add to their criticism of him.  The best team does not necessarlily comprise of the best players.  You have to look at the team as a single unit, as against a collection of individuals.

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Re: Angus Eve: Let the best players play.
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2005, 01:09:13 PM »
If the man can play and still contribute I would rather take Eve than any of them fellas from EPL that aint want to play, but he have to get selected by Beenie and it wont be because he played for 10 years.

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2005, 01:10:03 AM »

They have to buy their own tickets because they did not follow through with the Player's Association.

Man like Nahkid wasting his energy talking garbage on TV6 when they could organize themselves to request these kind of things.

I would like to see him fight for a spot on the squad but I not hearing any rave reviews of his PFL performances to make Leo even think twice.
Eve not even that old compared to some other veterans.

Is like people here saying they is die hards and vex the waggonists getting tickets first when we have no official supporters club or haven't proposed anything to solve the problem (to my knowledge).  I think there is a Jamaican guy in the TTFF who was supposed to be organizing that and I get a Stryka Doll and some card that give you a discount to PFL games.

Organize yuhself if you want something done.

 

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