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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2009, 05:34:45 AM »
I found this helpful to assuage some of my concerns over this award.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84o&feature=player_embedded

Same here queen. I think the initial skepticism many people felt was entirely unsurprising given the the current tension over issues of Iran and use of nuclear technology.



Around here I think the skepticism will follow any and everything Obama does. I am not a fan of his politics but then again, no politician has ever given me the warm fuzzies.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2009, 06:38:42 AM »
Yeah as long as we divorce healthy sceptism from the vitriol coming from clowns like Limbaugh and such. The comments by the republican token chair were shameful.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2009, 11:03:53 AM »
nobody ever say de world was fair ....

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Obama fails to win Nobel prize in economics

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- In a decision as shocking as Friday's surprise peace prize win, President Obama failed to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences Monday.

While few observers think Obama has done anything for world peace in the nearly nine months he's been in office, the same clearly can't be said for economics.

The president has worked tirelessly since even before his inauguration to wrest control of the U.S. economy from failed free markets, and the evil CEOs who profit from them, and to turn it over to wise, fair and benevolent bureaucrats.

From his $787 billion stimulus package, to the cap-and-trade bill, to the seizures of General Motors and Chrysler, to the undead health-care "reform" act, Obama has dominated the U.S., and therefore the global, economy as few figures have in recent years.

Yet the Nobel panel chose instead to award the prize to two obscure academics -- Elinor Ostrom and Oliver Williamson -- one noted for her work on managing collective resources, and the other for his work on transaction costs

Other surprise losers include celebrity noneconomist and filmmaker Michael Moore; U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; and Larry Summers, head of the U.S. national economic council.

It is unclear whether the president will now refuse his peace prize in protest against the obvious slight to his real achievements this year.



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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2009, 02:31:04 PM »
nobody ever say de world was fair ....

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Obama fails to win Nobel prize in economics

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- In a decision as shocking as Friday's surprise peace prize win, President Obama failed to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences Monday.

While few observers think Obama has done anything for world peace in the nearly nine months he's been in office, the same clearly can't be said for economics.

The president has worked tirelessly since even before his inauguration to wrest control of the U.S. economy from failed free markets, and the evil CEOs who profit from them, and to turn it over to wise, fair and benevolent bureaucrats.

From his $787 billion stimulus package, to the cap-and-trade bill, to the seizures of General Motors and Chrysler, to the undead health-care "reform" act, Obama has dominated the U.S., and therefore the global, economy as few figures have in recent years.

Yet the Nobel panel chose instead to award the prize to two obscure academics -- Elinor Ostrom and Oliver Williamson -- one noted for her work on managing collective resources, and the other for his work on transaction costs

Other surprise losers include celebrity noneconomist and filmmaker Michael Moore; U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; and Larry Summers, head of the U.S. national economic council.

It is unclear whether the president will now refuse his peace prize in protest against the obvious slight to his real achievements this year.




They shoulda give to one of them peace lovin' Republicans instead




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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2009, 06:51:04 AM »
on the 'eve' of the decision to send 50k more troops into afghanistan to win (somebody please define what winning that war looks like?) the war there; war drums beating on iran (anybody knows how the IAEA manages to keep a straight face about pretending to not know that israel has nuclear weapons and never asking to inspect?); more drone attacks than under bush; congress passing resolution affirming israel's right to 'defend itself' after the slaughter of 1.5k peeps, and his secretary of state and him echoing similar sentiments?  was this peace prize all about saying one thing and doing another? is this dude really any different from a darker tan bush? does anybody believe anything is going to change?
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2009, 09:53:27 AM »
on the 'eve' of the decision to send 50k more troops into afghanistan to win (somebody please define what winning that war looks like?) the war there; war drums beating on iran (anybody knows how the IAEA manages to keep a straight face about pretending to not know that israel has nuclear weapons and never asking to inspect?); more drone attacks than under bush; congress passing resolution affirming israel's right to 'defend itself' after the slaughter of 1.5k peeps, and his secretary of state and him echoing similar sentiments?  was this peace prize all about saying one thing and doing another? is this dude really any different from a darker tan bush? does anybody believe anything is going to change?

last night, de prez lay out how de military go play into his reelection campaign. obuma may be de black lincoln but he eh de black alexander.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2009, 10:19:01 AM »
What is the alternative. What we you guys do instead?

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2009, 10:20:13 AM »
Men just like to talk yes.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2009, 11:02:27 AM »
What is the alternative. What we you guys do instead?

Pull out the troops...

Let Afghanistan implode in the resulting political vacuum, similar to what happened in Iraq after deposing Saddam...

Have a new generation of Afghani youths grow up hating the US for having destroyed the country then cut and run....

Allow the Taliban to re-seize control of the country...

thereby allowing a haven for Al Qaeda and its many copycat terrorist organizations to once again take root and establish bases for once again targeting the US.

... these are all preferred responses to Obama's troop build up.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2009, 11:07:43 AM »
Bakes boy, those are some very interesting options.  You know what. Maybe Pakistan and Afghanistan should form a union. Correct me if am wrong, 30% of Pakistan are Pastun. Isn't that so?

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2009, 02:40:49 PM »
What is the alternative. What we you guys do instead?

Pull out the troops...

Let Afghanistan implode in the resulting political vacuum, similar to what happened in Iraq after deposing Saddam...

Have a new generation of Afghani youths grow up hating the US for having destroyed the country then cut and run....

Allow the Taliban to re-seize control of the country...

thereby allowing a haven for Al Qaeda and its many copycat terrorist organizations to once again take root and establish bases for once again targeting the US.

... these are all preferred responses to Obama's troop build up.
They parders dealing with nukes too.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2009, 03:04:39 PM »
Bakes boy, those are some very interesting options.  You know what. Maybe Pakistan and Afghanistan should form a union. Correct me if am wrong, 30% of Pakistan are Pastun. Isn't that so?

Deeks, not too sure of the ethnic make up, but I wouldn't doubt it given that the two share a border and that the line of demarcation between the two is an often an amorphous one... particularly in the nether reaches where Al Qaeda has taken refuge.  Obama didn't have an easy choice... or much of a choice really.  Bush created the mess that is present-day Iraq and Afghanistan.  Obama's choices were to do what I see as the responsible thing and try and clean it up best as possible (balancing other concerns such as the financial and human costs); or do what's politically expedient and bring the troops home.

Despite all the nonsense talk by ribbit about Obama using military for reelection... there will be a steep cost to be paid for this gambit.  Many of his supporters elected him with the expectation that he'd bring the troops home, even though he made no such explicit promise.  Conservatives hate him and this won't make them start loving him, so this promises to be nothing but a net loss for him on the popularity meter.  Any speculation that this was done with an eye towards 2012 is misguided.

Jah Gol is also right in pointing out the nuclear risks posed by an increasingly unstable and fundamentalist-leaning Pakistan.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2009, 08:53:10 AM »
What is the alternative. What we you guys do instead?

Pull out the troops...

Let Afghanistan implode in the resulting political vacuum, similar to what happened in Iraq after deposing Saddam...

Have a new generation of Afghani youths grow up hating the US for having destroyed the country then cut and run....

Allow the Taliban to re-seize control of the country...

thereby allowing a haven for Al Qaeda and its many copycat terrorist organizations to once again take root and establish bases for once again targeting the US.

... these are all preferred responses to Obama's troop build up.
nope.  troop buildup.  fighting for 10 more years.  then pull out and continue with the rest of your post.  only with 10 more years for the youths to consider.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2009, 11:53:11 AM »
What is the alternative. What we you guys do instead?

Pull out the troops...

Let Afghanistan implode in the resulting political vacuum, similar to what happened in Iraq after deposing Saddam...

Have a new generation of Afghani youths grow up hating the US for having destroyed the country then cut and run....

Allow the Taliban to re-seize control of the country...

thereby allowing a haven for Al Qaeda and its many copycat terrorist organizations to once again take root and establish bases for once again targeting the US.

... these are all preferred responses to Obama's troop build up.
They parders dealing with nukes too.

who padnah? the taliban? al qaeda? the afghans? "pakistan" eh no unified entity - which padnah have nukes? i surprised they eh use them by now.

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2010, 08:43:47 AM »
Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry
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An Israeli commando lands on a Gaza-bound ship in the Mediterranean Sea in this frame grab taken from footage released by DHA on May 31, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/DHA via Reuters TV

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."

World

The violent end to a Turkish-backed attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip by six ships carrying some 600 people and 10,000 tonnes of supplies raised an outcry across the Middle East and far beyond.

As the navy escorted the vessels into Israel's port of Ashdod, accounts remained sketchy of the pre-dawn interception out in the Mediterranean, in which marines stormed aboard from dinghies and rappelled down from helicopters. Israel said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media spoke of up to 19 dead.

The bloodshed sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, which had supported the convoy. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel and Turkish President Abdullah Gul demanded that the culprits be punished.

The European Union demanded an inquiry and France and Germany said they were "shocked." The United Nations condemned violence against civilians in international waters.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2010, 09:10:55 AM »
Ah was hearing something about this on the news this morning.....
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2010, 07:45:56 AM »
Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry
Jeffrey Heller and Alastair Macdonald
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Mon May 31, 2010 9:25am EDT


 
   
An Israeli commando lands on a Gaza-bound ship in the Mediterranean Sea in this frame grab taken from footage released by DHA on May 31, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/DHA via Reuters TV

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."

World

The violent end to a Turkish-backed attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip by six ships carrying some 600 people and 10,000 tonnes of supplies raised an outcry across the Middle East and far beyond.

As the navy escorted the vessels into Israel's port of Ashdod, accounts remained sketchy of the pre-dawn interception out in the Mediterranean, in which marines stormed aboard from dinghies and rappelled down from helicopters. Israel said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media spoke of up to 19 dead.

The bloodshed sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, which had supported the convoy. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel and Turkish President Abdullah Gul demanded that the culprits be punished.

The European Union demanded an inquiry and France and Germany said they were "shocked." The United Nations condemned violence against civilians in international waters.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2010, 08:07:56 AM »
Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry
Jeffrey Heller and Alastair Macdonald
JERUSALEM
Mon May 31, 2010 9:25am EDT


 
   
An Israeli commando lands on a Gaza-bound ship in the Mediterranean Sea in this frame grab taken from footage released by DHA on May 31, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/DHA via Reuters TV

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."

World

The violent end to a Turkish-backed attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip by six ships carrying some 600 people and 10,000 tonnes of supplies raised an outcry across the Middle East and far beyond.

As the navy escorted the vessels into Israel's port of Ashdod, accounts remained sketchy of the pre-dawn interception out in the Mediterranean, in which marines stormed aboard from dinghies and rappelled down from helicopters. Israel said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media spoke of up to 19 dead.

The bloodshed sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, which had supported the convoy. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel and Turkish President Abdullah Gul demanded that the culprits be punished.

The European Union demanded an inquiry and France and Germany said they were "shocked." The United Nations condemned violence against civilians in international waters.
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kounty, how does this article relate to the thread? ???

was wondering d same thing
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2010, 11:32:06 AM »
Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry
Jeffrey Heller and Alastair Macdonald
JERUSALEM
Mon May 31, 2010 9:25am EDT


 
   
An Israeli commando lands on a Gaza-bound ship in the Mediterranean Sea in this frame grab taken from footage released by DHA on May 31, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/DHA via Reuters TV

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."

World

The violent end to a Turkish-backed attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip by six ships carrying some 600 people and 10,000 tonnes of supplies raised an outcry across the Middle East and far beyond.

As the navy escorted the vessels into Israel's port of Ashdod, accounts remained sketchy of the pre-dawn interception out in the Mediterranean, in which marines stormed aboard from dinghies and rappelled down from helicopters. Israel said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media spoke of up to 19 dead.

The bloodshed sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, which had supported the convoy. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel and Turkish President Abdullah Gul demanded that the culprits be punished.

The European Union demanded an inquiry and France and Germany said they were "shocked." The United Nations condemned violence against civilians in international waters.
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was wondering d same thing
I think he's implying that Obama is meant to ensure that Israel don't get away with stuff like this if he truly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2010, 05:02:10 PM »
Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry
Jeffrey Heller and Alastair Macdonald
JERUSALEM
Mon May 31, 2010 9:25am EDT


 
   
An Israeli commando lands on a Gaza-bound ship in the Mediterranean Sea in this frame grab taken from footage released by DHA on May 31, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/DHA via Reuters TV

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."

World

The violent end to a Turkish-backed attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip by six ships carrying some 600 people and 10,000 tonnes of supplies raised an outcry across the Middle East and far beyond.

As the navy escorted the vessels into Israel's port of Ashdod, accounts remained sketchy of the pre-dawn interception out in the Mediterranean, in which marines stormed aboard from dinghies and rappelled down from helicopters. Israel said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media spoke of up to 19 dead.

The bloodshed sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, which had supported the convoy. Ankara recalled its ambassador from Israel and Turkish President Abdullah Gul demanded that the culprits be punished.

The European Union demanded an inquiry and France and Germany said they were "shocked." The United Nations condemned violence against civilians in international waters.
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kounty, how does this article relate to the thread? ???

was wondering d same thing
I think he's implying that Obama is meant to ensure that Israel don't get away with stuff like this if he truly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.


Walking fine line, US doesn't condemn Israeli raid
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By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer Robert Burns, Ap National Security Writer – 17 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration walked a fine line Tuesday in response to Israel's lethal raid on a flotilla trying to break the blockade of Gaza, urging Israeli leaders to let more aid into the beleaguered territory but refusing to criticize the U.S. ally for the use of deadly force.

President Barack Obama telephoned Turkey's prime minister to express his "deep condolences" for the deaths and injuries aboard a Turkish-flagged vessel and called for an impartial investigation. And Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed support for a U.N. Security Council statement that condemned the "acts" that cost the lives of nine pro-Palestinian activists off the Gaza coast. But U.S. officials did not say whether they held Israel or the activists responsible for the bloodshed.

The raid put Obama in a difficult position, caught between pressing Israel to ease harsh conditions in the Gaza Strip while at the same time supporting efforts to stop the smuggling of arms into Gaza that could be used to attack Israel.

At stake at a deeper level is the Obama administration's struggle to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian peace talks, a difficult task in the best of times. To achieve this, the U.S. is trying to keep both sides focused on the goal of restarting talks, holding out the eventual promise of peace for Israel and a homeland for the Palestinians.

On Tuesday, U.S. officials found targets for criticism all around:

• Alejandro Wolff, deputy ambassador to the U.N., said reports that some of the activists aboard the raided vessels might have sought to provoke the Israelis into a harsh response "give pause."

• On the other hand, in a jab at Israel, Clinton said life under the blockade in Gaza is "unsustainable and unacceptable."

The U.N. called for a prompt and credible investigation of Monday's events, in which Israel seized a number of vessels carrying humanitarian aid and took hundreds of activists — many of them Turkish — off the ships to Israel. Obama agreed, according to a White House account of his telephone conversation with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has been bitterly critical of Israel's raid.

The U.S., the White House said, "is working in close consultation with Israel to help achieve the release of the passengers, including those deceased and wounded, and the ships themselves."

" The president affirmed the importance of finding better ways to provide humanitarian assistance to the people of Gaza without undermining Israel's security," the statement said. "He underscored the importance of a comprehensive peace agreement which establishes an independent, contiguous and viable Palestinian state as the way to resolve the overall situation and the United States' continuing commitment to achieving that goal by working closely with Turkey, Israel and others with a stake in a more stable and secure Middle East."

No one was saying that achieving that goal had gotten any easier.

Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said, "This seems to be a perfect storm of negative outcomes at a time when the United States wants to do something quite different, which is reassure Israelis, re-engage on negotiations and try to resolve the underlying issues once and for all."

"It's hard to imagine any set of actions which would have played more into the hands of Israel's enemies," he said in a telephone interview.

The Israeli raid came at a particularly delicate moment in U.S.-Israeli relations, badly strained by open conflict over Israel's settlement policy in the West Bank.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to have visited the White House on Tuesday, in part to help heal that rift, but he canceled in order to return home to deal with the crisis.

The State Department said Netanyahu's visit would be rescheduled.

Obama is to meet at the White House next week with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, and he sent his Mideast peace envoy, former Sen. George Mitchell, back to the region for meetings with Palestinian officials on Wednesday.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2010, 05:14:16 PM »
Coward move on the part of the US.  Is how much fukking thing Israel go get away with??  steups

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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2010, 06:50:10 PM »
it sounding like some people raise up when the israelis boarded their vessel and it went bad in the confusion. some real bigshots in that flotilla - they try to grandstand and the stand fall out from under them  :-\ 

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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2010, 06:53:01 PM »
they mad i was never going to take stick to lash a commando that drop down from a rope, that aint going to end nicely.
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Re: Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 07:07:29 PM »
Israel calls Gaza blockade critics "hypocrites"
Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:27pm EDT
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Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivers a televised address at his office in Jerusalem, June 2, 2010.

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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Defending Israel's enforcement of its blockade of Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday it was vital for security and would stay in place.

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In a televised speech after world outrage erupted over nine deaths in Monday's seizure of a Turkish ship bound for Gaza, a defiant Netanyahu said easing controls would put Iranian missiles in the hands of the Palestinian enclave's Hamas rulers.

This threatened not just Israel but Europe too, he said.

Turkey, a Muslim country that had been Israel's strategic ally, accused it of "state terrorism" and has recalled its ambassador from Tel Aviv and demanded it lift its blockade.

Those calls have been echoed by European leaders and the United Nations whose Human Rights Council voted to set up an independent fact-finding mission into the incident.

Israel's key backer, the United States, is less outspoken. It has called for calm. Western powers agree with Israel that Iranian-backed Hamas is a threat but say the embargo should not punish the 1.5 million people trapped in the Gaza Strip.

Netanyahu made no mention of launching any form of investigation, despite the growing calls inside Israel as well for a hard look at what critics say was a bungled raid.

He lambasted world leaders for criticizing the ships' takeover, accusing some of holding Israel to what he called a double standard and questioning its right to defense.

"Once again, Israel faces hypocrisy and a biased rush to judgment," Netanyahu said as he defended the actions of Israeli marines who, he said, fired in self-defense against Turks wielding sticks and knives on the cruise liner Mavi Marmara.

"The international community cannot afford an Iranian port on the Mediterranean...The same countries that are criticizing us today, should know that they could be targeted tomorrow."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said leaders in London and Washington were discussing what might be done to ease the pain of the blockade on ordinary Gazans, telling parliament it had created an "unacceptable and unsustainable situation."

TESTIMONY

Israel said it was deporting all 682 activists from more than 35 countries detained after the assault in international waters on the six ships it commandeered. All but nine wounded prisoners were expected to be gone by the end of the day.

The accounts of some released challenged Israeli versions that all of those shot, including two who grabbed pistols from the boarding party, were attacking the marines.

Moroccan Islamist lawmaker Abdelkader Amara said: "I will never forget a Turkish companion. I had just left him to go down below and I thought he would follow me, and then I saw they had shot him in the chest and he died."

Israel says it has not been able to identify all nine dead, but says most of them were Turks.

It said the marines who rappelled onto the Mavi Marmara, fired in self-defense after activists attacked them with clubs, knives, as well as two pistols snatched from the commandos.

Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai told parliament that two of the activists killed during the takeover were shot after they used the two handguns to wound two commandos.

Turkey said three of the nine dead had been identified as Turks and a fourth had a Turkish credit card. Israel has not named publicly any of those killed.

An opinion poll in Israel's Maariv newspaper showed that more than 60 percent of Israelis believed the interception was flawed operationally. But few question the Gaza blockade.

TURKS SEIZED COMMANDOS

Israeli military affairs experts have described the assault as a blunder because the strength of the resistance on board was underestimated. Andre Abu Khalil, a Lebanese television cameraman deported on Wednesday, said he saw Turks on the Mavi Marmara seize the first four commandos to land on the deck.

Israel has said marines winched down from helicopters armed with riot-control paintball guns were beaten and about to be "lynched" before comrades opened fire with live ammunition.

"The first attempt to descend failed. They detained four soldiers," Abu Khalil said. "They (Israelis) opened fire on three quarters of the men who were at the back of the ship."

Tensions over the flotilla rippled through Israel's parliament on Wednesday where a Jewish lawmaker denounced as a traitor an Arab member, Hanin Zoabi, who had been aboard one of the ships. Another tried to grab Zoabi's microphone.

A new attempt to bust the blockade loomed on the horizon: The MV Rachel Corrie, a converted merchant ship bought by pro-Palestinian activists and named after an American woman killed in the Gaza Strip in 2003, set off on Monday from Malta.

It is carrying 15 activists, including a Northern Irish Nobel Peace laureate, and expects to be at the point of Monday's interception between Friday evening and Saturday morning, crew member Derek Graham told Irish state broadcaster RTE.

Asked how Israel would treat any new attempt to steam into Gaza, Tzachi Hanegbi, head of parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said: "We cannot let them blur the red line Israel has set. Letting them in to help Hamas is not an option."

Egypt, which has kept its own Gaza border largely closed since Hamas, an offshoot of the opposition Muslim Brotherhood, seized the territory in 2007, reopened the frontier.

The move was widely seen as an attempt to deflect criticism of its blockade, and hundreds of Palestinians flocked to the frontier terminal at Rafah on Wednesday. It is the only Gaza crossing not controlled by Israel.

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« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2010, 01:05:53 PM »
sorry to belabor the point but....

Autopsies reveal 9 men on Gaza aid boat shot, 5 in head

In one case, Ince said, a gunshot victim had been shot at at extremely close range.

"From the analysis of the bullet distance on one of the bodies," Dr. Ince said, "the gun was fired between 2 and 14 centimeters' distance from the victim's head."

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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2010, 10:01:49 AM »
israel is the epitome of the adage "careful what yuh wish for, cuz yuh might just get it."

when dey went to de british for that land, dey eh business with anyone else in de region. sure enough, one set of gentile on de land and population swell over three and four generations.

israel want a "jewish-majority" nation (their condition) so dey eh want to take responsibility for 3 million others. dey have nukes but no favours to call in.

careful what yuh wish for. yuh just might get it.

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