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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #210 on: October 15, 2012, 09:11:37 AM »
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....


Dese unfortunate sequences of events making it seem like dis poor unlucky fella have some kinda sinister motives and hand in dis whole saga. De poor fella eh even no expert in criminal law..how he go know all dem so called loophole? Obviously steve and ish lawyers have a very good obeah man...or real good friends with max richards and ting to know this was signed and proclaimed on Aug 31...to reach in the court bright and early monday morning to start dis up.


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« Reply #211 on: October 15, 2012, 12:42:54 PM »
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....


Dese unfortunate sequences of events making it seem like dis poor unlucky fella have some kinda sinister motives and hand in dis whole saga. De poor fella eh even no expert in criminal law..how he go know all dem so called loophole? Obviously steve and ish lawyers have a very good obeah man...or real good friends with max richards and ting to know this was signed and proclaimed on Aug 31...to reach in the court bright and early monday morning to start dis up.


Poor Anand.

It really baffles me to think that he could say the thing was published on the same day it was supposed to have been proclaimed  :banginghead:

But I not blaming the AG for letting the cat out the bag...Volney is the man who was drinking champagne with Ish in his hotel in Tobago the same time the Act was being proclaimed.
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #212 on: October 18, 2012, 03:31:11 AM »
$500M GOLD RUSH
By Andre Bagoo (Newsday).
Thursday, October 18 2012


THE STATE, and specifically the Central Bank, spent approximately $500 million in fees for lawyers, investigators and consultants between October 2007 and July 2012, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said yesterday, as he sought to lay bare the extent of fees funded by the taxpayer.

As he attacked what he called the “gold rush” of opportunism triggered by a lack of proper systems to gauge value for money under the previous administration, Ramlogan revealed costs which straddled both the last administration and the present. He noted the last administration had sought to suppress the disclosure of legal fees to the Parliament.

The Attorney General said:

* Total legal fees paid to local and foreign counsel by the Central Bank during the period October 2007 to July 2012 was $113 million;

* Total legal fees paid to local and foreign Counsel by the Central Bank in relation to CL Financial during the period October 2008 to July 2012 was $103 million;

* A total of $82.8 million in fees were paid by the Central Bank to Canadian forensic investigator Bob Lindquist;

* Total legal fees paid to local and foreign counsel by the Central Bank in relation to the Commission of Inquiry into Clico and Hindu Credit Union (HCU) during the period Oct 2010 to July 2012 was $32.5 million;

* Total legal fees paid to local and foreign counsel by the Central Bank “in relation to fraud on the public” during the period October 2010 to July 2012 was $57 million.

* There was also a bill of $82 million for consultants.

Ramlogan also said the Ministry of the Attorney General had to pay out $30 million during the last financial year in inherited bills. The Attorney General also said he inherited 24 other bills totalling $8.4 million as well as an $11.5 million bill from the quashed BAE Offshore Patrol Vessel contract. These figures are in addition to a total of $84 million paid by the Ministry of the Attorney General for legal fees from 2001 to 2010.

Ramlogan, on the defensive ahead of a planned motion of censure due later this month, said the systems inherited from the PNM in relation to how the State ordered its legal affairs were lacking.

“What this administration inherited can best be likened to the California gold rush in the late nineteenth century: there was an absence of process, procedures and systems. There was no proper structure, so persons were easily exploited as a result,” he said during the Budget debate.

In relation to the fees paid by the Central Bank under former Governor Ewart Williams, he read out a list of the top seven fee-earners for the period 2007 to 2012.

These included Reginald Armour SC ($17. 7 million); Araujo Law ($11.5 million); Ian Benjamin ($9.3 million); Lydia Mendonca and Co ($4.2 million); Pollonais, Blanc, de la Bastide and Jacelon ($3.4 million); Sherry-Ann Bachew-Rudd ($2.5 million) and Mair and Company ($1 million).

“The grand total of legal fees for the Central Bank for that period was $305 million,” Ramlogan said. “You could have built a new hospital with that.”

Ramlogan did not say what was the nature of the work funded by the Central Bank or indicate if the work was in the public interest. He made no allegations of wrong-doing.

Armour represents the Commissioner for Cooperative Development at the Clico Commission of Inquiry and has also provided legal services for President George Maxwell-Richards.

Ramlogan noted that he was once in private practice bringing lawsuits against the State and he now realises the extent to which he was underpaid.

“I am now seeing what they were paying the people against me in cases that I won. And I think I was underpaid!” he exclaimed. “When I am being criticised for the amount of money the Attorney General is receiving given the vast magnitude that is being undertaken when you hear these figures, what would you say now?”

The Attorney General’s ministry was allocated $95 million for the year for fees. This breaks down to forensic investigation fees ($49 million); retainers for local and foreign attorneys ($34 million) and expenses of overseas counsel and foreign witnesses ($3 million).

Ramlogan also told senators of a plan for the State to build a new south branch of his ministry, meant to house an office for the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and to offer services to the southern community. The cost of this has been estimated in budget documents at about $10 million.

“I think it will be a signature building that will serve south Trinidad,” Ramlogan said. “It will give the DPP’s office a dignified space in south Trinidad.”

The office of the DPP falls under the administrative remit of the Ministry of the Attorney General, a post which itself once held prosecutorial powers pre-1976.

Ramlogan also said Petrotrin has won $57 million in damages from Fluor Daniel South America Limited in a case at the International Court of Arbitration.

He said the State has also entered into a $315 million settlement in relation to a US$300 million claim made by Trinidad Energy Limited. He said $1 billion is needed to complete the Government Campus Plaza at downtown Port-of-Spain
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #213 on: October 18, 2012, 03:37:16 AM »
AG: $143m Tobago complex deal for DPP
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Government is initiating legal action against the Tobago House of Assembly’s (THA) Chief Secretary Orville London and the THA for use of the build own lease transfer (BOLT) process for the THA’s Milshirv administrative complex, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said yesterday.

Speaking in the Senate, Ramlogan said he also was referring the matter to the Integrity Commission, the Director of Public Prosecutions and the acting Police Commissioner for an immediate urgent criminal probe against London to see if there was misconduct in public office by “entering into sweetheart deals under the table.”

Ramlogan added: “There are things about this from the start. However, you twist, turn it or dice it, it reeks of corruption.” The $143 million complex has been the focus in recent weeks of Government’s concern about the process used. Government claims the THA used a BOLT process in contravention of the THA Act, which requires approval from  the Finance Minister for borrowing.

Last weekend, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar demanded answers from London on the project as she launched the Tobago Organisation of People’s (TOP) THA election campaign. TOP is a PP member.

Yesterday, Ramlogan said: “I have advised the Minister of Finance to bring a claim and file legal action against Orville London and the THA to seek declaration from the court that Section 51 was violated and the actions of London and the THA were illegal in entering into that BOLT arrangement for the Milshirv complex.

“Mr London had no legal authority to bypass the Finance Minister and enter that BOLT arrangement. If we allow this precedent to be set, T&T does so at great risk and peril.” Ramlogan said provisions were set out to seek the Finance Minister’s permission because the latter would need to know his liability and other aspects of the finance  when planning his budgets. Ramlogan said if the minister was not told, he would be budgeting on a false premise.

He said a disingenuous financial device could not be used to get around provisions and avoid the law. He added if London had no legal authority to enter the transaction, it may well be illegal and null and that “ pernicious and oppressive agreement” might yet be voided.

Saying there were many questions on the issue, Ramlogan said development should not be at taxpayers’ expense. Noting London had said there was no tendering or public advertisement, Ramlogan  queried how the developer had known to approach the THA with the proposals for the office complex in the first  place.

“It’s a strange case of political telepathy. Something is terribly wrong,” Ramlogan added. He asked if it was true once the lease was done, London immediately paid 18 months’ rent, $21.64 million, through FCB, to the developer. He said if the company had folded, the money would have been lost. 

PNM Senator Fitzgerald Hinds, who spoke after Ramlogan, said the Government was initiating the court action against THA’s London to stymie the process since the PP  knew there was a THA election in the air and was upset at PNM’s progress. Hinds said the AG would know the DPP did not investigate matters but the police did. He said London already had said he would be open to any probe of the matter.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #214 on: October 18, 2012, 05:01:38 AM »
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....


Dese unfortunate sequences of events making it seem like dis poor unlucky fella have some kinda sinister motives and hand in dis whole saga. De poor fella eh even no expert in criminal law..how he go know all dem so called loophole? Obviously steve and ish lawyers have a very good obeah man...or real good friends with max richards and ting to know this was signed and proclaimed on Aug 31...to reach in the court bright and early monday morning to start dis up.


Poor Anand.

It really baffles me to think that he could say the thing was published on the same day it was supposed to have been proclaimed  :banginghead:

But I not blaming the AG for letting the cat out the bag...Volney is the man who was drinking champagne with Ish in his hotel in Tobago the same time the Act was being proclaimed.

And Anand was knocking back a few with Carlos John the next night......not sure what was the contents of their glasses.....either way we screwed like a mudder......
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #215 on: October 18, 2012, 06:47:20 AM »
I just getting a vibe that Anand bussing up he mouth again.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #216 on: October 21, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »
Ramlogan: I was not aware




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When he made his allegations of wrongdoing against the THA and Chief Secretary Orville London in the Senate, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said he was "not aware" that legal advice was sought on the matter from Hamel-Smith and Company, and that the acting President had signed off on the matter.
 
"I was not aware, that's why (tomorrow) morning the Minister of Finance will write to Mr London, with the hope that he will make a full disclosure of all the relevant documents.
 
"He will request certain critical information pertaining to the transaction," the AG said yesterday.
 
He added that the delay in contacting London was due to the fact that Finance Minister Larry Howai was tied up in the Parliament up until last Friday.
 
"Thus far, Mr London has not really disclosed the documents of the transactions to the Ministry of Finance and we want to make sure we have all the relevant information before proceeding further with the matter," he explained.
 
"The THA Chief Secretary claimed that he has nothing to hide and in the public interest it is hoped that he will make full disclosure to the Minister of Finance," Ramlogan added.
 
Tomorrow as well, Ramlogan said the Finance Minister will write to Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams and the Integrity Commission on the matter.
 
"We want to make sure we have all the information," he said.

Last Wednesday in the Upper House, Ramlogan said he had already referred the matter to the three for action.


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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #217 on: October 23, 2012, 08:22:05 AM »
Ramlogan: I was not aware




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When he made his allegations of wrongdoing against the THA and Chief Secretary Orville London in the Senate, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said he was "not aware" that legal advice was sought on the matter from Hamel-Smith and Company, and that the acting President had signed off on the matter.
 
"I was not aware, that's why (tomorrow) morning the Minister of Finance will write to Mr London, with the hope that he will make a full disclosure of all the relevant documents.
 
"He will request certain critical information pertaining to the transaction," the AG said yesterday.
 
He added that the delay in contacting London was due to the fact that Finance Minister Larry Howai was tied up in the Parliament up until last Friday.
 
"Thus far, Mr London has not really disclosed the documents of the transactions to the Ministry of Finance and we want to make sure we have all the relevant information before proceeding further with the matter," he explained.
 
"The THA Chief Secretary claimed that he has nothing to hide and in the public interest it is hoped that he will make full disclosure to the Minister of Finance," Ramlogan added.
 
Tomorrow as well, Ramlogan said the Finance Minister will write to Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams and the Integrity Commission on the matter.
 
"We want to make sure we have all the information," he said.

Last Wednesday in the Upper House, Ramlogan said he had already referred the matter to the three for action.




Notice any similarity with the AG's comments and his other two loquacious peers ?
...and I'm paraphrasing here...

Jack : I HAVE instructed the police to not to release any statistics on murders.....
Jack : I want to state categorically that I never instructed the police to withold any stats on murders....

Anil : What I have here is the only document received by the The Ministry of Sport a statement from Tony Harford, which mentions using funds up to $5.6M...where the rest of the money gone ?
Anil (in the same document...)  This document also shows Mr. Harford paid himself $0.9M...himself paid himself. (The funny thing is that 0.9M was only disclosed in the final statement:-\

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #218 on: October 23, 2012, 08:58:09 AM »
Ramlogan: I was not aware




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When he made his allegations of wrongdoing against the THA and Chief Secretary Orville London in the Senate, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said he was "not aware" that legal advice was sought on the matter from Hamel-Smith and Company, and that the acting President had signed off on the matter.
 
"I was not aware, that's why (tomorrow) morning the Minister of Finance will write to Mr London, with the hope that he will make a full disclosure of all the relevant documents.
 
"He will request certain critical information pertaining to the transaction," the AG said yesterday.
 
He added that the delay in contacting London was due to the fact that Finance Minister Larry Howai was tied up in the Parliament up until last Friday.
 
"Thus far, Mr London has not really disclosed the documents of the transactions to the Ministry of Finance and we want to make sure we have all the relevant information before proceeding further with the matter," he explained.
 
"The THA Chief Secretary claimed that he has nothing to hide and in the public interest it is hoped that he will make full disclosure to the Minister of Finance," Ramlogan added.
 
Tomorrow as well, Ramlogan said the Finance Minister will write to Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams and the Integrity Commission on the matter.
 
"We want to make sure we have all the information," he said.

Last Wednesday in the Upper House, Ramlogan said he had already referred the matter to the three for action.



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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #219 on: October 28, 2012, 06:19:22 AM »
AG requests $1.3b to settle OPV arbitration

Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has gone to Cabinet requesting $1.3 billion for a settlement with respect to the cancellation of the three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs). Meanwhile the arbitration over the OPVs is still ongoing. The Sunday Guardian was informed that on Thursday Ramlogan took a note to Cabinet seeking approval for the money and that the matter was considered.
 
Sources said during the Cabinet meeting, which was held on Thursday and chaired by Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran—in the absence of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar—the matter was deferred to next week, when a decision is expected to be made.
 
When the matter was brought before Cabinet some ministers raised concerns about it, while others openly objected as they questioned why the payment should be approved, since the arbitration was still in progress. At least three ministers were reportedly vocal during the meeting, questioning the haste and timing of the request.

The meeting got so heated, sources said, that Dookeran walked out, saying he wanted no part of the decision to make the money available. When contacted, some Cabinet ministers confirmed the decision, but refused to go on record when questions were posed to them.
 
One minister said, “I am not allowed to speak on that issue, that is prejudicing the interest of the country. The process is still ongoing and such a report will prejudice the matter.” Another minister said, “Not me and that matter, nah. Ask me anything else. I have nothing to say on that issue. Leave me out of that matter.”
 
One irate Cabinet source questioned why the Government would want to pay $1.3 billion in arbitration fees rather than paying $1.5 billion for the three OPVs instead.
 
AG: Where did you hear that?
Contacted on Friday night and asked about the status of the OPV arbitration, Ramlogan said, “I don’t know.” Asked about the request to Cabinet for $1.3 billion, the AG laughed, saying, “Where did you hear that?” Saying he was in the middle of a break since the censure motion against him was in progress in Parliament, Ramlogan said he needed to return to the chamber and listen to what was taking place.
 
On October 17, during the budget debate, Ramlogan said he had been micromanaging the OPV issue and described the arbitration as “massive.” He had said the impact of the possible loss of this or other arbitration cases could leave T&T’s economy “reeling” and “catapult T&T downwards.”
 
Ramlogan’s statement on OPV arbitration
On June 15, 2012, Ramlogan issued a media release chastising statements by Opposition MP Colm Imbert. Imbert, in statements to the media, had said the Government had lost the OPV arbitration and was in fact liable to pay millions of dollars to British defence manufacturer, BAE Systems.
 
Ramlogan, in his release. said Imbert’s claims were “totally mischievous and completely false.
 
“It is, quite frankly, a reckless statement which bears absolutely no resemblance to the truth. In fact, the arbitration hearings have not yet been completed, with the parties scheduled to make their respective closing submissions to the Arbitration Tribunal later this month. Furthermore, the hearings have been in relation to liability only thus far, and the dates for the hearings on quantum are still to be finalised.
 
“In the circumstances, the statement of Mr Imbert that the GORTT is liable to pay money to BAE is simply ludicrous and a pathetic attempt to deflect public scrutiny away from his role in the purchase of the water taxis.
 
“Nevertheless, in stark contrast to the Opposition’s modus operandi in dealing with all matters of national importance, this Government shall continue to act responsibly in this matter and refrain from making any further comment at this time in relation to a legal dispute in which a decision has not yet been delivered.”
 
 
Griffith, AG travelled for talks with BAE Systems
On July 21, 2011, national security adviser Gary Griffith and Ramlogan travelled to England for arbitration talks with BAE Systems. Ramlogan and Griffith were invited by BAE Systems to have the arbitration talks with respect to the Government’s cancellation of three OPVs from the company.
 
In April 2007, BAE was awarded the contract to build, integrate, test and commission three OPVs for the TT Coast Guard. Construction began January, 2008. However, in September 2010, Persad-Bissessar announced that Government had decided to cancel the three OPVs ordered by the PNM administration at a cost of $1.5 billion. Notice of the cancellation was served on September 17 last year.
 
The Government said the decision to terminate the contract was due to persistent delays and technical deficiencies.
 
Brig John Sandy’s response
On October 25, 2011, then National Security Minister Brig John Sandy, responding to a question filed in the Senate by Opposition Senator Fitzgerald Hinds, said the State had spent a total of $4.7 million in legal fees to pursue a claim for $1.5 billion in damages in arbitration proceedings for the cancelled OPVs.
 
Sandy had said the contract for the OPVs with BAE Systems was cancelled on October 20, 2010, owing to “substantial material delays” in delivery. He said BAE, a British arms company, attempted to effect delivery of the OPVs but this was not accepted by the Government because of defects in the vessels.
 
As a result, BAE began arbitration proceedings at the International Court of Arbitration at the International Chamber of Commerce, Paris, France on the October 26, 2010, claiming the contract for the OPVs was still valid and the planned cancellation invalid. The Government, however, counter-claimed contractual damages totalling £145 million (TT$1.4 billion), Sandy said.
 
Hearings took place in London from May 7-18, 2012. Sandy disclosed that the lawyers hired by the State in relation to the matter included: Charles Russell (solicitors); Joe Smouha, QC; Alan Newman, QC; Neal Bisnath; and Ricky Diwan.
The $1.5 billion OPV contract was signed by the People’s National Movement administration in April 2007. A cancellation notice was served under the present administration on September 17, 2010.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #220 on: October 28, 2012, 07:03:08 AM »
1.3b in we cuunt so d PP could satify dey drug dealer financiers steups
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #221 on: October 28, 2012, 08:03:21 AM »
AG requests $1.3b to settle OPV arbitration

One irate Cabinet source questioned why the Government would want to pay $1.3 billion in arbitration fees rather than paying $1.5 billion for the three OPVs instead.
 
Patrick Manning was suspended from the house for saying that the PM was in bed with drug dealers. While the evidence he displayed was conjectural this is more compelling.

Ramlogan is trying to settle before the arbitration is completed to prevent a damning final judgement that would expose the government's folly. He get ketch lying too, what a snake !

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« Reply #222 on: October 28, 2012, 08:26:17 AM »
This OPV situation is a complete scandal
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« Reply #223 on: October 28, 2012, 08:41:33 AM »
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On October 17, during the budget debate, Ramlogan said he had been micromanaging the OPV issue and described the arbitration as “massive.” He had said the impact of the possible loss of this or other arbitration cases could leave T&T’s economy “reeling” and “catapult T&T downwards.”

It gives me no satisfaction in being right, given the incredibly steep penalty that Trinidad is facing, but I called this from the very beginning.  The degree of incompetence being demonstrated in just this limited (OPV) instance is astounding.

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« Reply #224 on: October 28, 2012, 11:01:12 AM »
Still doh matter...motion of censure failed ent?


It damn good for we.

1.3 to settle....1.5 to purchase outright. Wonderful economics.
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« Reply #225 on: October 28, 2012, 11:10:50 AM »
Get rid of the ships and you have nothing in place to fit in. What happened to the smaller vessels they say that would be better?
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« Reply #226 on: October 28, 2012, 11:40:38 AM »
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« Reply #227 on: October 28, 2012, 02:59:01 PM »
I still trying to rational the reason for scuttling the deal. What was bad about the deal in the first place. Yes, there were delays on part of BAE(correct me). We were to believe that BAE would be subject to penalties for this delay(again correct me). What is it the PP gov't knew about this deal that they decided to break it. I can't believe we have to pay 1.5 billion for breaking a contract. Why could they not see that. With all them lawyers in that party, you mean to say that could not research similar cases. You mean to say they could not contact legal people in London before making that move? Any PP supporters, explain to me.

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« Reply #228 on: October 28, 2012, 03:55:01 PM »
on another note d guardian get some stones lately or they jus figure it goh make news anyway leh we get d scoop ???
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« Reply #229 on: October 28, 2012, 04:03:39 PM »
Get rid of the ships and you have nothing in place to fit in. What happened to the smaller vessels they say that would be better?

Nah D.H.W.  The plan was to dismantle everything the PNM put in place whether or not it made sense.  Then try a thing.  Dey try SOE.  It eh wuk.  Now dey send de "hardest wukking" Minister who can only come up with army and police patrols for East Port of Spain and $69 a day wuk for the natives.  Dais de great crime plan!!  Steups!!

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #230 on: October 28, 2012, 04:05:00 PM »
I still trying to rational the reason for scuttling the deal.

The PNM put it in place.  That was their only basis for getting rid of them.....
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #231 on: October 28, 2012, 04:13:11 PM »
I still trying to rational the reason for scuttling the deal.

The PNM put it in place.  That was their only basis for getting rid of them.....

as mentioned above I feel it was more sinister dan dat cocaine reachin d states in double time now guess whey it passin
I pity the fool....

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #232 on: October 28, 2012, 04:17:39 PM »
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Kamla: Govt doesn't owe one cent for OPVs
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By Akile Simon akile.simon@trinidadexpress.com
September 29, 2010
PRIME MINISTER Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday the Government does not owe a cent to BAE Systems, the United Kingdom company contracted to build three multi-billion-dollar offshore patrol vessels (OPVs).

In fact, Persad-Bissessar says BAE owes this country $61 million in damages and will have to repay every cent the Government invested in the project over the past few years.

She was responding to a statement by head of external communication at BAE Kristina Crowe last week, which indicated cost overruns on the deal would mean Government would have to pay an additional £150 million, before tax, on the deal. This, she said, meant the Government was owning BAE £300 million before it terminated the contract.

Contacted yesterday for further comment, Crowe issued the following statement and referred us back to the regulatory announcement issued on Septem- ber 21 on the London Stock Exchange website.

"We have received written notice from the Government of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago (GORTT) that it wishes to cancel the programme under which BAE Systems is providing three offshore patrol vessels and support to the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard. We are seeking to engage in commercial discussions with GORTT and hope to reach an equitable settlement," the statement read.

Speaking to the media at Piarco after returning from her trip to the United States yesterday, Persad-Bissessar said after careful analysis of the project and the substantial breaches in contract by BAE, a decision was taken to cancel the contract since the OPVs could not assist the country in its fight against crime.

The former People's National Movement (PNM) government signed a £150 million contract in April 2007 with VT Shipbuilding to build and commission the vessels. In October last year, BAE acquired full control of VT.

A few months ago, an interministerial committee, which included National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, was set up to review the purchase of the OPVs.

Sandy subsequently said he hoped to convince the committee to purchase the vessels since he believed they would be needed in the current fight against crime.

Persad-Bissessar's statement yesterday was the first from any Government official since BAE announced Government had cancelled the purchase of the assets. She said before BAE's statement, her Government could not make public their decision to terminate the contract because of a particular non-disclosure clause in the contract that preven- ted Government from doing so. Government, she said, would meet with officials from BAE but remains firm in its decision to terminate the contract.

"There are stories that I have been reading that we owe BAE money and we breached the contract. No, that is not the case at all. I am advised that BAE is in breach of the contract because of two reasons.

"They (BAE) are in breach because of delay, which was the most substantial cause we have to termination of the contract, but they are also in breach because they have not been able to comply with the specs that had been contracted for," she said.

She said the Government was of the opinion such assets would not assist in making any dent in the crime situation and was also not in a position to fund the vessels.

Steps have already been taken to bring back home more than 60 sailors in the UK, who are training there to operate the OPVs, she said.

Such money, Persad-Bissessar said, could be utilised in ensuring law enforcement officers are adequately compensated for their services.

"There are several things that we had to consider. Do we need three OPVs? The country is not at war out in the seas; the country is at war on the ground, in our streets and in the towns within Trinidad and Tobago. The cost to maintain the vessels would have cost taxpayers in excess of $500 million annually. Our country cannot sustain that at this time," she said.

Persad-Bissessar said the Government had an option to waiver the breach in contracts by BAE, but it would not be in the best interest of the citizenry to do so since "there were better things" the money could be put to.

"We feel that we could better spend that money right here on the ground to fight crime, to pay police officers more money, pay the Defence Force more money, to pay the prisons officers more. To get equipment and, of course, food and hospitals beds," the PM said.

"There is the view that these huge OPVs will not assist in the fight against crime because first, they are slow and are visible from way off. You could see them from far off, so these narco (narcotic) traffickers who may be coming and illegal gun-runners (who) may be coming, what may be more useful is the smaller, faster cutters."

She, however, made it clear the Government will not abandon the needs of its naval and air support units. Government, she said, still intends to proceed with the purchase of four Agusta Westland AW139 twin-turbine helicopters at a cost of $2.3 billion for the T&T Air Guard, to be used for search-and-rescue, surface surveillance, law enforcement, drug interdiction and disaster relief operations.
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #233 on: October 28, 2012, 04:19:42 PM »
Actually.....this is a brilliant tactical decision.


Budget pass...deficit....7 billion or so.

Ministry of Works going back to borrow 2.7 Billion.

Financial Year eh done yet....in fact we in the first month...to pay this cost for the OPV....is 1.4 Billion...(which we not even sure from whence it cometh) Thats almost 4 Billion.

Essentially....we in November and 11 Billion in the red already with underwhelming revenue generators.


De only way this could make sense is the fact that by not having the OPV's......several billion dollars in drugs could come in and go out the country and thus cushion the effect of 7 .....if not 11 billion dollars deficit.


Brilliant strategy.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #234 on: October 28, 2012, 04:31:59 PM »
Reading that again it is so laughable in hindsight... she couldn't go into details about why the Gov't decide to terminate, "citing a clause in the contract"... what contract?  You done breach the contract by terminating and now yuh talking about confidentiality clause?  No contract has any provision related to confidentiality in the event of breach... what would the penalty be?  More than it is for breaching?  Makes no sense.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #235 on: October 28, 2012, 05:50:07 PM »
I done yes

Y it now starting 2 get interesting.
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #236 on: October 28, 2012, 06:27:36 PM »
I done yes

Y it now starting 2 get interesting.

He cah handle the ride  :D
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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #237 on: October 28, 2012, 08:55:56 PM »
I done yes

Y it now starting 2 get interesting.

He cah handle the ride  :D

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #238 on: October 28, 2012, 10:33:51 PM »
The ride nice. I'm loving it and as the days go by I see more and more people buckling up. Just now I'll be the driver for all these new comers.

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Re: Attorney General Anand Ramlogan Thread
« Reply #239 on: October 28, 2012, 11:12:04 PM »
Oh shucks...i forget to post dis!


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Warner__Rowley_targets_AG_because_of_race-176132381.html

Warner: Rowley targets AG because of race
By Asha Javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Oct 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM ECT

Story Updated: Oct 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM ECT

The People's National Movement (PNM) motion of censure which was brought against Attorney General Anand Ramlogan was "resoundingly" defeated early yesterday morning.

The 15-hour marathon session, which began at 1.30 p.m. last Friday and ended at 5.03 a.m. yesterday, had 25 Members of Parliament voting against the motion and 11 members of the Opposition bench voting in its favour.

The Opposition brought the motion to have the Prime Minister sack Ramlogan over his role in the Section 34 fiasco. The Prime Minister's only disciplinary action over Section 34 has been the firing of former Justice Minister Herbert Volney for misleading her Cabinet.

Volney and Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran did not vote in the censure motion.

Volney yesterday told the Sunday Express he left Parliament at Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain, during the tea break last Friday and had hoped to return later in the night but did not make it back.

Dookeran said he left Parliament at 9 p.m.

In winding up the debate, National Security Minister Jack Warner surmised that no explanation offered by the Government for the Section 34 fiasco would satisfy the People's National Movement (PNM). In his view, the PNM had "no moral authority" to tell the Prime Minister how to govern and was "minding the mark" in the belief that it will get them into office at the next general election.

In defending Ramlogan, Warner charged that Rowley had signaled him out for "persecution" because of his ethnicity.

"It's because you have a problem with the individual," he said.


Warner questioned how come Rowley did not have "one" like him sitting on the PNM benches or going up for elections in the PNM convention which takes place today. (See Page 7.)

"They don't count. You are attacking the Attorney General because the AG represents the things you dislike," said Warner. His statement elicited cross talk in the Parliament chamber but Warner was not persuaded to stop.

He asked if Rowley had canvassed the opinions of people from Chaguanas or Barataria/San Juan on their views on Section 34.


Warner reminded Rowley that he and his members voted for the bill and that the PNM was bent on making "superficial statements" to support its conspiracy theories.

He charged that while the PNM may appear "self-righteous" and "sanctimonious", the public was "more intelligent than that".

Wading into the contribution made by Opposition MP Colm Imbert, Warner belittled his "Sherlock Holmes/Dick Tracy" explanation of the section 34 debacle. Warner said Imbert's statement that the Gazetted notice was not available online until September 10 was simply because that was the date and time it was uploaded onto the website.

This, he said, had nothing to do with the preparation of the notice but was the only time it was available for download from the website.

He said that the PNM with its "top class lawyers" had missed the fallout of the Section 34 clause.

"There is no basis for putting the blame on the AG for Section 34," said Warner.

He said the Cabinet note of August 6 contained representations from the former Justice Minister and not the AG.
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