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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #150 on: March 25, 2011, 12:49:17 PM »
This is fantastic. Just shows how FIFA are helping to change the world. Lets hope the 2026 WC can happen in Ethiopia, then scientists can help to relieve famine and drought so we can watch football. Hey, and 2030 could be in the antarctic and we can prevent the polar ice from melting.

Alternatively, we could put the f*****g wc in a country thats suited to football and use the billions being wasted to actually help people who are starving and destitute.

Shocking waste of money.
Spot on  ! Bad decision in the first place. Just give to a country that will have a decent climate in June.

Ah don’t think dat giving it to a country with a good climate is de best solution. Because if dat was case, de usual suspects USA, Germany, France etc. would be hosting de world cup without any opposition.
Ah not saying dat Qatar deserve to win , but other dan de climate excuse ah keep hearing  there is no other reason why they should not host de WC.
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #151 on: March 25, 2011, 01:03:55 PM »
This is fantastic. Just shows how FIFA are helping to change the world. Lets hope the 2026 WC can happen in Ethiopia, then scientists can help to relieve famine and drought so we can watch football. Hey, and 2030 could be in the antarctic and we can prevent the polar ice from melting.

Alternatively, we could put the f*****g wc in a country thats suited to football and use the billions being wasted to actually help people who are starving and destitute.

Shocking waste of money.

Boy when ah read yuh first tow lines ah jes steups and was wondering how yuh buy in to that..then I read on....well said
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #152 on: March 25, 2011, 01:07:59 PM »
This is fantastic. Just shows how FIFA are helping to change the world. Lets hope the 2026 WC can happen in Ethiopia, then scientists can help to relieve famine and drought so we can watch football. Hey, and 2030 could be in the antarctic and we can prevent the polar ice from melting.

Alternatively, we could put the f*****g wc in a country thats suited to football and use the billions being wasted to actually help people who are starving and destitute.

Shocking waste of money.
Spot on  ! Bad decision in the first place. Just give to a country that will have a decent climate in June.

Ah don’t think dat giving it to a country with a good climate is de best solution. Because if dat was case, de usual suspects USA, Germany, France etc. would be hosting de world cup without any opposition.
Ah not saying dat Qatar deserve to win , but other dan de climate excuse ah keep hearing  there is no other reason why they should not host de WC.

The USA would be a better host than Qatar since most of the infrastructure is already available. They don't have to 'relax' their laws to accomodate fans either. And clearly the climate issue is not an excuse. 40 degree heat could never be suitable for football, the games will suffer.

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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #153 on: March 25, 2011, 01:11:26 PM »
Glad to see not everybody simple enough to be seduced by FIFA's Jedi mind tricks.
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #154 on: March 25, 2011, 01:56:28 PM »
This is fantastic. Just shows how FIFA are helping to change the world. Lets hope the 2026 WC can happen in Ethiopia, then scientists can help to relieve famine and drought so we can watch football. Hey, and 2030 could be in the antarctic and we can prevent the polar ice from melting.

Alternatively, we could put the f*****g wc in a country thats suited to football and use the billions being wasted to actually help people who are starving and destitute.

Shocking waste of money.
Spot on  ! Bad decision in the first place. Just give to a country that will have a decent climate in June.

Ah don’t think dat giving it to a country with a good climate is de best solution. Because if dat was case, de usual suspects USA, Germany, France etc. would be hosting de world cup without any opposition.
Ah not saying dat Qatar deserve to win , but other dan de climate excuse ah keep hearing  there is no other reason why they should not host de WC.

The USA would be a better host than Qatar since most of the infrastructure is already available. They don't have to 'relax' their laws to accomodate fans either. And clearly the climate issue is not an excuse. 40 degree heat could never be suitable for football, the games will suffer.
Ah totally agree de 40 degree heat go be somewhat of an issue, but de people already taking de necessary steps to rectify de matter. For all we know de men and dem probably done planning to drag ah couple icebergs from de North pole to cool down de place. I just want people to give Qatar ah chance. When South Africa was having dey issues with building de stadia and corruption, people jump and bawl “yuh see dey shoulda never get it in de first place cause de eh have de infrastructure in place”
Dey  bawl Germany or de US sholda get it, because dey have de ‘infrastructure’ low and behold South Africa pull it off and dey were great host. Everybody forget about de pre world cup drama and start to complain about de Jubalani and de vuvzuelas.
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #155 on: March 25, 2011, 02:00:23 PM »
Glad to see not everybody simple enough to be seduced by FIFA's Jedi mind tricks.
Ah know FIFA corrupt, but I looking at this way, if Qatar could get ah WC, den who's to say India, Pakistan or even de Nigeria cyah host ah WC.
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #156 on: March 25, 2011, 02:03:11 PM »
Glad to see not everybody simple enough to be seduced by FIFA's Jedi mind tricks.
Ah know FIFA corrupt, but I looking at this way, if Qatar could get ah WC, den who's to say India, Pakistan or even de Nigeria cyah host ah WC.

Dem cyah make electronic clouds
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #157 on: March 25, 2011, 02:10:23 PM »
Glad to see not everybody simple enough to be seduced by FIFA's Jedi mind tricks.
Ah know FIFA corrupt, but I looking at this way, if Qatar could get ah WC, den who's to say India, Pakistan or even de Nigeria cyah host ah WC.

And theres the point. Nigeria, India & Pakistan would never get it because they don't have the funds to buy it. But countries like Holland/Belgium, Greece, Turkey, Croatia, Canada, Australia, Norway would be ok. I'm not sure about Morrocco, Egypt, Kenya etc coz of climate in the summer. But I'm against Qatar because its like fitting a square peg in a round hole. All countries will have issues to overcome, but it seems Qatar has more than most. OK, air conditioned stadiums and robot clouds, but what happens to all the people once the match is finished? You have to stay indoors all the time? Can possibly only get a drink in authorised places? If T&T make it, you think we can wine in the streets will our girls in bikinis?

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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #158 on: March 25, 2011, 02:11:55 PM »
Dem cyah make electronic clouds
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #159 on: March 25, 2011, 02:38:45 PM »
Glad to see not everybody simple enough to be seduced by FIFA's Jedi mind tricks.
Ah know FIFA corrupt, but I looking at this way, if Qatar could get ah WC, den who's to say India, Pakistan or even de Nigeria cyah host ah WC.

And theres the point. Nigeria, India & Pakistan would never get it because they don't have the funds to buy it. But countries like Holland/Belgium, Greece, Turkey, Croatia, Canada, Australia, Norway would be ok. I'm not sure about Morrocco, Egypt, Kenya etc coz of climate in the summer. But I'm against Qatar because its like fitting a square peg in a round hole. All countries will have issues to overcome, but it seems Qatar has more than most. OK, air conditioned stadiums and robot clouds, but what happens to all the people once the match is finished? You have to stay indoors all the time? Can possibly only get a drink in authorised places? If T&T make it, you think we can wine in the streets will our girls in bikinis?
Trust meh, yuh could get ah drink in Qatar if yuh want and de laws eh dat strict, like Benjai say yuh go have to wine by de side, now Saudi Arabia on de other hand, dais ah different story..
I like yuh list of alternate countries especially Norway and Australia. Both Nigeria and India have the funds and I believe one of them will host a WC in the future.
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #160 on: March 25, 2011, 02:49:45 PM »
High technology robotic clouds my ass!! That technology has been around for decades. They used to call it a blimp or an airship (see Goodyear Blimp, Hindenberg, Graf Zeppelin). Ah hear we even have one in Trini now too. This is just a supersized version of that with solar panels to power the engines!

People in Minnesota might even say dey take de inflatable roof off de old Metrodome and put it in de air!!

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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #161 on: March 25, 2011, 02:55:11 PM »
...people does sleep on how hot it does get here in america, too, how unbearable the heat is in some of the venues they does want to pick and the times they does want to schedule games.  Man forget how much then italians and Irish players was sufferin' in their game that was scheduled durong the hottest time of the day.  fifa need to play all them games in Qatar at night.  It still go be hot but say wha.  


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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #162 on: March 25, 2011, 03:25:10 PM »
So what about the people outside the stadium and heading to and fro?
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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #163 on: March 25, 2011, 03:29:26 PM »
Mih eh going so mih eh care!!  dem FIFA scamps done get dey kick backs already so I hurting mih head.  Now ah just want Jackula to pay de players outta de cut he get and I good.....
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« Reply #164 on: March 25, 2011, 03:47:10 PM »
Mih eh going so mih eh care!!  dem FIFA scamps done get dey kick backs already so I hurting mih head.  Now ah just want Jackula to pay de players outta de cut he get and I good.....

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Qatar may be stripped of World Cup, says Blatter
« Reply #165 on: May 20, 2011, 05:53:20 AM »
Qatar may be stripped of World Cup, says Blatter
Fifa admits internal inquiry into claims of corruption over 2022 may force a revote
By Sam Wallace, Football Correspondent
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The Fifa president Sepp Blatter made the startling disclosure yesterday that he could not rule out a rerun of the voting for the right to host the 2022 World Cup finals which was controversially won by the tiny Arab emirate of Qatar in December.
Blatter, who is seeking re-election next month for a fourth term, said that a Fifa inquiry into claims made by The Sunday Times that there was corruption in the vote could lead to the Fifa executive committee (ExCo) voting again. It would represent the biggest U-turn in the governing body's history.
While Blatter was not thought to have cast his own vote for Qatar, he knows that any move to go back on the decision would cause huge ructions within world football. While the 75-year-old did not say what he thought the likely outcome of Fifa's investigation would be, he refused to put any limit on the measures they could take if they uncovered wrongdoing.
In an interview with the Press Association, Blatter said that the notion that the 2022 vote would be reheld was "alarming" but conceded it was one that had a groundswell of popular support and was "circulating around the world". He said: "But don't ask me now yes or no, let us go step by step. It's like we are in an ordinary court and in an ordinary court we cannot ask: 'If, if, if'."
Yesterday the Football Association announced it would be abstaining in the Fifa presidency vote on 1 June, which pits Blatter against the Qatari president of the Asian football confederation Mohamed Bin Hammam. The decision was made at an FA board meeting yesterday although it was not passed unanimously. The key opposition was thought to have come from Premier League chairman Dave Richards.
Unfortunately for the FA, its decision to place itself firmly outside the camps of the two power-brokers of world football was undermined by its unwillingness to back its actions up with a detailed condemnation of either candidate. Instead, the FA simply referred to a "well-reported range of issues" as its reasons for abstaining.
In private, the FA felt that it could not be more explicit until its own inquiry – headed by James Dingemans QC – into the explosive revelations of Fifa corruption in the 2018 World Cup bid process by former chairman Lord Triesman, reports a week today.
In response, Blatter described the FA chairman David Bernstein's announcement that the FA was abstaining as "strange". Refusing to accept that an abstention was a political gesture, Blatter said: "It is a bit strange when the No 1 association in the world – which is the FA – have two candidates to choose from and they cannot make a decision which one they support. It's strange."
The key corruption allegations that could trigger a rerun of the 2022 vote were uncovered by The Sunday Times which alleged to a Commons select committee investigation into football governance that ExCo members Issa Hayatou and Jacques Anouma took bribes of $1.5m each to vote for Qatar.
Taking the World Cup from Qatar would be a huge blow to the prestige of Fifa which has been widely criticised for its decision to award the biggest sports event in the world to a country of 1.6 million people with little football culture and temperatures of around 50C in June and July. Qatar spent by far and away the most on its bid, committing £27m on communications alone in one year. To put that in perspective, the next biggest budget in the 2022 race was Australia who spent £28m in total.
It is Bin Hammam's involvement with the Qatar 2022 World Cup campaign that means the FA does not regard him as a suitable alternative to Blatter. If The Sunday Times allegations are proved right then he will be implicated.
Blatter revealed yesterday that Fifa had agreed with The Sunday Times that the newspaper's whistle-blower, who disclosed the alleged bribes paid to the two ExCo members, would come to Zurich to give evidence in person to Fifa's own investigation. Lord Triesman made allegations against a further four ExCo members – Trinidad's Jack Warner, Nicolas Leoz of Paraguay, Brazil's Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudi of Thailand – who he accused of soliciting bribes and favours from the England 2018 World Cup bid.
There was trouble closer to home for the FA yesterday when the results of a staff survey heavily criticising the organisation's management were leaked. In it, FA staff expressed a lack of faith in senior management, including the general secretary Alex Horne who has had to pick up the pieces after the resignation of two FA chairmen and one chief executive in the space of nine months last year.
FA sources expressed surprise yesterday that the survey had not found itself into the public sphere earlier given that it had been readily available on the intranet of the notoriously leaky organisation for months. The FA says that it has already had extensive meetings to try to put the problem right and that it will be judged on its performance in staging the FA Cup final last Saturday, the Champions League final in eight days' time and the England Euro 2012 qualifier against Switzerland on 4 June.


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Re: Qatar may be stripped of World Cup, says Blatter
« Reply #166 on: May 20, 2011, 06:39:44 AM »
Like they send the money through P.O. instead of wire  ???
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Re: Qatar may be stripped of World Cup, says Blatter
« Reply #167 on: May 20, 2011, 06:53:27 AM »
politricks at its best...yuh tink jack ent learn from sepp ;D
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Re: Qatar may be stripped of World Cup, says Blatter
« Reply #168 on: May 20, 2011, 07:39:15 AM »
politricks at its best...yuh tink jack ent learn from sepp ;D

U get it wrong Sepp learn from Jack
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Re: Honour of hosting the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.
« Reply #169 on: May 23, 2011, 08:02:21 AM »
Blatter sticking the knife into Bin Hamman some more. Blatter saying he ONCE refused a bribe is like a fat man saying he ONCE refuse a slice of cake...what about the 1000 other times?

It also rich for Blatter to be lending credence to Triesman claims about Diallo when he completely ignorant about the same source making claims about his man Warner.



Sepp Blatter: I once handed back a bribe

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• Blatter revealed being targeted when secretary general

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Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has promised to reform the organisation if he is re-elected and revealed that he too once handed back a bribe when he was given an envelope which turned out to be stuffed with cash.

The 75-year-old said he will present proposals to Fifa's congress next week on dealing with past allegations of corruption and ticket touting by senior Fifa officials. Blatter is keeping the details secret but they include allowing the congress made up of all 208 member countries to elect the chairmen of three key committees.

"Handling the past will be presented to the congress," he said. "We have to make sure that immediately after the election that we rebuild the image of Fifa. We need to reinforce the judicial bodies and we shall find a solution how to handle the past in order that we can stop forever in the future all these damaging things about corruption.

"These bodies should be more independent and this is a question I will bring to the congress, that the congress should elect the members of these committees or at least the chairmen of the three committees – the ethics, disciplinary and appeal committees."

Blatter said he had never been involved in any corrupt practices but revealed that he had been targeted for a bribe when he was Fifa's secretary general – but he refused to name the person involved.

"I received once an envelope, when I was secretary general and in this envelope there was an amount of money," he said. "I couldn't refuse because he put it in my pocket. I came home here to Fifa and gave it to the finance director and he put this money on the account of the Swiss Bank Corporation at that time, and informed the guy 'the money you gave to the secretary general is in that bank' and a few days later he reclaimed it. Then it was specifically known that please don't try to give money to somebody who's in Fifa."

Blatter added that he was "disappointed" to hear that Amadou Diallo, a former employee of Fifa and a close friend of Blatter's presidential challenger, Mohamed Bin Hammam, had been named in parliament as the "fixer" of bribes paid by the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid to two Fifa executive committee members. The Qatar bid team denies all claims of corruption.

"Yes, it definitely disappoints me. He was working for Fifa in the development programmes, he was in the Goal project with the candidate [Bin Hammam]. I knew him because he was around before we started with the Goal project, he was brought in by Bin Hammam. This is a question of character, so ask Diallo if he's happy in his position, what he's doing. He's a small, nice, smiling guy, always smiling."

Blatter also confirmed that Uefa's president, Michel Platini, is on the right track to succeed him if he is re-elected – he has promised to step down in 2015. "I'm sure there are a lot of candidates for president but Platini is exactly in this trajectory," he said. "I'm sure that Europe will make everything to maintain the presidency of Fifa, that's why they are also looking very carefully to the election on 1 June in Zurich."
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Re: Honour of hosting the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.
« Reply #170 on: May 23, 2011, 08:06:28 AM »
Blatter sticking the knife into Bin Hamman some more. Blatter saying he ONCE refused a bribe is like a fat man saying he ONCE refuse a slice of cake...what about the 1000 other times?




 

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Behind Qatar's football success
« Reply #171 on: May 23, 2011, 11:24:51 AM »
Behind Qatar's football success


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CobanICU Publicidad/Guatemala CityQatar's Football Dreams program is designed to discover talent in the farthest-flung villages, such as Coban, Guatemala. But it's also helped Qatar build a name for itself around the world.

GUATEMALA CITY -- A mild breeze ruffles the trees surrounding the field at Cementos Progreso Stadium, as some of the country's brightest young soccer stars run through drills under a deep blue sky. It's a perfect day for soccer, the kind that would make anyone want to linger in Central America. But on this afternoon, each of these 50 young men would like nothing better than to earn a one-way ticket to a country halfway around the world.

After a nationwide search, this select group of teenagers has been brought here to try to impress an international team of talent seekers from countries including Spain, Germany and Brazil. Old hands at appraising soccer talent, this football cognoscenti will choose a few Guatemalans to travel to what is rapidly becoming one of the best youth soccer academies in the world.

But the head scout, Josep Colomer, who made his name by bringing Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi to Barcelona, is not headed back to Europe. The man considered possibly the world's best judge of youth soccer talent doesn't work for the Blaugrana anymore. He'll be sending the gems he plucks from obscurity to meet up with others from around the world at Aspire Academy in Qatar.

The announcement that the small Middle Eastern nation of Qatar would host the 2022 World Cup stunned more than a few football fans. The Arab country about the size of Connecticut will become by far the smallest ever to host the tournament. Critics have asked loudly how a relatively unknown nation could pull off such a coup. But look closer and you'll realize that it might not be such a shock. You'll see that Qatar, through a program called Football Dreams, has built a strong presence in many developing nations, some of which also have representation on FIFA's executive committee that voted on the hosting rights for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments.

Indeed, despite relative obscurity in the popular consciousness of the Western world, Qatar has quietly been making a name for itself in international soccer circles. The country's al-Thani ruling family has long showed an interest in international athletics, and in the past few years has invested a portion of its immense wealth in a quest to make Qatar competitive in a range of Olympic sports, including soccer.

As part of that vision, in 2004 the royal family funded the Aspire Academy project to train Qatari athletes with the best technology and resources that money could buy. Shortly after, as an offshoot of the academy's soccer program, the Aspire Football Dreams program was launched to uncover youth soccer talent hidden in the farthest-flung villages and outposts in the world.

"I take more than 160 flights each year," Colomer told local press while in Guatemala, as he assessed the annual fruits of one of 15 Football Dreams programs scattered across Africa, Latin America and Southeast Asia. "I sleep in a different village of the world every night. I leave my house in May and return in December."

The program began in 2005 with a handful of camps in sub-Saharan Africa. Since then, it has expanded to Latin America and Southeast Asia. Each year, Aspire's scouts run the rule over hundreds of thousands of young players, and through a series of increasingly exclusive trials, end up with a scholarship class of international students invited to live, study and play alongside the Qatari students at Aspire in Doha.

At inception, Football Dreams was billed as an innovative way to find undiscovered talent and prepare those prodigies for top-level football, while keeping them out of the hands of unscrupulous agents and human traffickers. Colomer goes one better and describes the project primarily as a humanitarian effort.

"Thanks to the Qatari royal family, we've been able to take on this humanitarian project," he said. "This project is one that I've had inside me since I was at Barcelona. It's an honor to represent [the royal family], but the people won't really take notice until one of the kids who comes through this program joins Barcelona or Manchester United or Real Madrid, because the day will come when one of these kids comes out of nowhere and goes to Aspire to become the next Messi. And all of this is just to give kids an opportunity, regardless of their class or socioeconomic status."

Since its founding, backed by the royal family's bottomless bank accounts and the contacts and clout of more recently added sponsors UNICEF and Nike, Aspire Football Dreams has expanded rapidly if quietly, having now put more than 2 million teenagers through trials in developing countries around the world.

"There's no question that all countries have talent," Colomer said. "What happens is that sometimes the players live in villages that are very far from the capital and no one goes to see them, or their families are poor and don't have the resources to get them into football schools so they can be seen."

Colomer said Aspire succeeds in its mission by seeking out local contacts to help reach untapped sources of youth talent outside the traditional structure of club soccer, targeting young players still unaffiliated with local teams.

Three from Guatemala made the cut this year, for example, and are headed to Qatar for the final tryout phase in January. There, on fields that during their short existence have been graced by Manchester United and the Brazilian national team, they will meet up with representatives from the other 14 country programs.


ICU Publicidad/Guatemala CityAt the final round of tryouts for the Football Dreams program in Nigeria, players pose with scouts from Aspire Academy.

A final team is chosen and its members are given full scholarships to Aspire academy -- the equivalent of a high school education -- while they play on the elite Aspire international team, traveling the world for tournaments and earning invaluable exposure for players and the academy alike. Others will be invited to join a branch of the academy run by Colomer in Dakar, Senegal.

For the minute percentage of kids who make the final cut -- 23 will stay in Qatar out of more than 500,000 13-year-olds to 15-year-olds tested this year -- Aspire Football Dreams is designed to be the fast track to superstardom. But that small group is not the only faction that appreciates the Qataris' efforts. Aspire has drawn attention and praise in the closed and somewhat mysterious inner circle of international soccer's elite.

"Aspire has a balanced plan for youth development, which supports education and sport for Qatar-based and scholarship students from the developing world," FIFA president Sepp Blatter said on his first visit to the academy in 2008. "This is making a very important contribution."

A FIFA spokesman declined a request by ESPN.com to elaborate on Blatter's comments, saying FIFA had no direct role in the program. But through its Football Dreams project, Aspire has quickly assumed a relatively significant position in the youth development projects of a small group of FIFA member federations around the world. It's an exclusive and rather eclectic club of countries scattered throughout the developing world, with few clear common ties.

So Football Dreams stands out not just because it throws money around to pluck prospects from the developing world. Six of the 15 programs are in countries represented on FIFA's all-power 24-man executive committee. That, along with a lack of a clear country selection process in terms of where the program puts down roots, gives you some of the first clues as to how the benefits of Football Dreams have been used around the world in a clever -- and legal -- bid to market Qatar and, perhaps, subtly influence the vote for the 2022 World Cup bid.

By most accounts, Aspire Football Dreams has been a resounding success in Africa. Working in relatively remote areas, the program has discovered players who have gone on to join the national programs of several African youth sides. During its short existence, Football Dreams has produced members of Ghana's 2009 under-20 World Cup champion team, Nigeria's 2009 under-17 World Cup runners-up, and South Africa's current under-17 team.

To further cooperation with the local soccer infrastructure in the countries in which it works, Aspire makes a point of working directly through national federations to develop scouting infrastructure and player pools at the youth level.

"There's no money for this sort of thing in Guatemala or Africa," said Silvia Carazo, head of a marketing and publicity firm contracted to run the program in Guatemala. "The project is realized through each of the federations nationally, but the money and budgeting of the project come from outside and are put in private hands. But this project only works with the backing of the federation, and the Qataris work closely with them."

But Aspire's motivations to find talent in places such as Guatemala and Thailand are less obvious. Oddly for a soccer talent search of limited scope, Aspire's country selection process seems to place little value on a nation's history of producing international soccer players.

Besides producing some average soccer, what Guatemala and Thailand do have in common is representation on the FIFA executive committee.


Karim Jaafar/AFP/Getty ImagesLionel Messi spoke to Aspire Africa Football Dreams finalists in Doha in January 2008.

Program locations might not always make sense from a soccer standpoint, but if Aspire's goals include influencing FIFA's highest body, football Dreams has established a beachhead in all the places where it makes the most sense. Among program sites are six developing countries including Guatemala, Paraguay and Thailand with representation on the executive committee. Brazil and Argentina, where scouting networks are perhaps more developed than anywhere else in the world, are the only executive committee seat-holding countries in South Asia, Latin America or Africa without a Football Dreams project. But Paraguay, one of the smallest South American nations in terms of population, is home to a recently opened program; it's also residence to longtime CONMEBOL President Nicolas Leoz, an executive committee member who was widely believed to be instrumental in shepherding the South American block of votes to Qatar 2022.

Although the talent search in countries such as Guatemala has produced few results -- no Guatemalan has yet earned a permanent place at the academy in Doha -- Aspire's close work with host national federations has done more than turn up prospects. Football Dreams is still a valuable publicity and branding exercise, ensuring that key members of international football's managing elite around the world recognize Qatar's contributions to the development of the game in their countries.

"[Qatar] has taken an interest in countries like Guatemala," said Felipe Gomez, Football Dreams project liaison at the Guatemalan Football Federation. "It's good for the kids, it's good for the federation, and it's good for relationships among footballing communities everywhere. There are people at all levels of Guatemalan soccer that have benefited from this project: kids, coaches, local organizers. It leaves a very good impression. [The Qataris] have reached out and we've happily received them to work with us, of course."

In theory, FIFA executive committee members are independent individuals not affiliated with their country's national association. In practice, members such as Guatemalan Rafael Salguero, who, according to sources in Guatemalan soccer, before the World Cup vote told confidants that the U.S. was low on his list for 2022, normally have deeply entrenched ties and a commitment to foster the well-being of the game in their country, especially where youth development is concerned. Assistance that furthers those aims does not go unnoticed.

Given that Football Dreams operates in some of the world's poorer countries, it's little surprise that Aspire representatives frequently use the words "development," "opportunity" and "humanitarian" to describe the initiative.

But while there's little doubt that Football Dreams provides benefits for the countries it works in, the program has its critics, too. If Football Dreams is to be judged as a humanitarian project, for example, development practitioners would be very disappointed by its cost effectiveness and transparency. Exact budgets are strictly confidential, but it is clear that there's a lot of money at play for an end result that amounts to a few dozen high-end high school scholarships.

You can get a good sense of how Aspire's program plays out at ground level -- the pluses and minuses -- in Guatemala.

"We bring all 50 finalists to stay in Guatemala City for three days, with everything paid for," Carazo said. "They are all given uniforms, balls, and they get special training. Nike provides all the gear and equipment for the fields; they're a huge sponsor of this project as well. Then the three who are selected, along with all the program staff from the country, go to Qatar for the final trial next year, all expenses paid."

Some of Guatemala's top club teams are not huge fans of the project, either. Officials at two Guatemalan clubs, who preferred not to be identified for this story because of pending dealings with Football Dreams program participants, expressed doubt that the project's primary goal was to give underprivileged kids an opportunity since the clubs' interest in participating and even signing some of the participants was rebuffed.

Gomez, the federation's representative, said local teams were interested in some of the project participants, but they were discouraged from interfering with Football Dreams.

"A few of the local teams tried to come in and contact some of the players," Gomez said. "We made sure that the families and kids did what was in their best interest, and followed through with the opportunity in Qatar."

A representative from one large club in the capital, who requested anonymity, pointed out that the program in Guatemala included several tryouts in the capital, infringing on the clubs' primary recruiting grounds and conflicting with Aspire's stated goal of helping players without access to conventional scouting structures. But this person also said that despite the grievances, the club preferred not to give an official statement about the Aspire program, adding that the club's board of directors had a "clear understanding of the incentives of the program to [the Guatemalan football] federation."

Then there's the gray issue of national allegiance for those accepted to the program in Qatar. With riches to spare, Qatar has created a bit of a niche for itself in terms of importing world-class athletes. Generally Qatari citizenship is nearly impossible to acquire -- foreigners must live in Qatar for 25 years, speak Arabic and relinquish other citizenship to be eligible for consideration for a Qatari passport. But the monarchy is free to grant citizenship as it pleases, and in recent years a diverse group of athletes has been nationalized to compete under the Qatari flag, including Kenyan steeplechasers, Chinese chess players and Bulgarian weightlifters.

Although nationalizing soccer players under FIFA rules is far more complicated than changing national allegiance in many other sports, suspicion has followed that Football Dreams could mask a talent search meant to boost the Qatari national soccer team, currently ranked 113th in the world. Simple math reveals that if the classes of 13-year-old to 15-year-old prospects pan out, those players would be in their primes come 2022.


Clive Rose/Getty ImagesChief FIFA inspector Harold Mayne-Nicholls is shown a design for one of the proposed World Cup stadiums by technical director Jasir Al-Jamal at the Aspire sports complex in September in Qatar.

In fact, if the program director's rhetoric is any clue, building the national team pool might well have been an auxiliary goal at the onset of the Football Dreams program, though it's not something those affiliated with the program are willing to talk about now.

"When making agreements, we are not requiring them to play for Qatar," Aspire sports director Andreas Bleicher told reporters two years ago in Africa. "We leave it up to them. A player might be here for five years, and if he wants to play for Qatar, it is upon the player concerned."

Several international Aspire students have since represented their countries of birth, and the recruiting rhetoric has been toned down considerably. The Football Dreams website now includes a phrase explicitly stating that the goal of the program is not to recruit players for Qatar. But at least one international Aspire graduate, Daniel Goma of Guinea, has recently been called into camp with the Qatari side -- according to FIFA rules, no player can play for a national team, even in a friendly, without citizenship -- and his international future would seem to lie with the Annabi.

Aspire's efforts might or might not help Qatar on the field in 2022. But initiatives to reach out to the world of international soccer aren't limited to programs to benefit development on the field. Earlier this year, the Guatemalan under-17 team and a number of federation officials made the long trip to the Middle East for some friendly matches at Aspire. Their opponent was the very international team this year's select three prospects hope to join. Other federations from around the world have enjoyed similar trips.

Guatemalan federation officials preferred not to divulge how, or by whom, such a long trip was paid for, but what is clear is that while Qatar's victory in the voting for 2022 World Cup hosting rights came as a shock to many, the result came as little surprise to the soccer intelligentsia in this CONCACAF member country.

"What Qatar wants, Josep [Colomer] always says, is to be seen as a powerful nation in the world," Carazo said. "I think they've begun to achieve that with the World Cup announcement. Before, no one in Guatemala had heard of Qatar; now we know, with Football Dreams, what Qatar is all about."

After Qatar was awarded the 2022 World Cup, the knee-jerk reaction was to suspect the worst. The U.S., among others, had existing stadiums and a much larger economy, would produce more revenue and seemed to have everything in place. U.S. Soccer declined a request to comment on the Football Dreams program, saying it wasn't its place.

While the U.S. put together what FIFA called the most technically sound bid for 2022, Qataris and their proxies were quietly at work in the home countries of many of the FIFA executive committee members. There, they found ways to serve federations in the developing world in practical, even commendable programs that seem to have won many friends and influenced a lot of people at all levels of the soccer world. This might be especially true since Football Dreams' mission nicely dovetails with FIFA's recent emphasis on using the game to assist the developing world and create a positive social impact.

"This was a wonderful opportunity to see Aspire and to discuss the important role of sport in youth development and education," Blatter said on his visit to Aspire in 2008. "The essence of football is education, because it teaches teamwork, discipline and respect for your peers and your competitors. The fact that Aspire has been able to combine both education and sport in one institution is remarkable."

Perhaps just as remarkable is the manner in which the small country of Qatar has created a place for itself on the international soccer map. The Aspire Football Dreams program is perhaps the best and certainly the most elaborate example of that process, in all likelihood contributing to Qatar's ultimately successful quest to host a World Cup.

Around the world, at many different levels, the Football Dreams program has helped provide the blueprint for kids to turn dreams into reality. But it's also helped lay the foundation for Qatar to achieve the biggest dream of all -- hosting a World Cup tournament.

Brent Latham covers soccer for ESPN.com. He previously covered sports throughout Africa for Voice of America radio and now works as a soccer commentator for a national television station in Guatemala. He can be reached at brentlatham@ymail.com.


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« Reply #172 on: May 03, 2013, 10:06:02 AM »
FIFA says Qatar only needs 8 venues
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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke says Qatar can stage the 2022 World Cup in eight stadiums, despite the 12-venue plan required when bidding.

Valcke tells The Associated Press that ongoing talks with Qatar "will be pragmatic and we will find the right number."

Last month, an American investment bank revealed after meeting Qatar's organizing committee that fewer stadiums were being considered. Bank of America Merrill Lynch told investors that 12 could push World Cup-linked construction costs over its $95 billion estimate.

Valcke says he doesn't "see the interest for Qatar to have 12" given the country's size.

FIFA requires at least eight for the 64-match tournament, and future hosts Brazil and Russia opted for 12.

Valcke expects the 2022 World Cup will be played in "between eight to 10."


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Re: Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
« Reply #173 on: May 03, 2013, 10:53:58 AM »
Sit down in the dessert under a tent and see how cool it is

cloud or no cloud it will still be hot.

climate is not an issue play in the heat all that is part of the game

UEFA countries just complain because it puts them at a disavantage however, middle eastern countries will have an upper hand.

The game will have to be adjusted to a walking pace, possesion game

It will bring out a new approach and may be quite interesting to watch.

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« Reply #174 on: May 03, 2013, 12:23:30 PM »
No problem with Qatar for me in all honesty, I would be more fearful travelling to Russia given their racial tolerance.

Most people would rank safety as their number 1 factor when traveling, I have had friends who work in oil and gas spend time in Qatar and they say that their experience was decent. Not much western social activity as we know but it is very safe and crime is low and people treat you fairly based on mutual respect

Qatar more than most countries has the resources to combat any climatic or social issues that come with hosting a tournament like this. I think FIFA (separate from their mafia style of operations) as the world governing body for football has a right to balance its distribution of major tournaments between traditional footballing nations and untapped markets to maintain the global dominance of football being the #1 sport. And in that context yes, I expect countries like India, China, Australia and Nigeria to be future host countries if they decide to bid. Of course you must mix the traditional football nations in between.

Imagine if the CFU could host a world cup at some stage in the future, that would be a tourism bonanza for the region. Even Brazil 2014 in the short term, T&T could be a host country for pre world cup camps for teams. The TTFF should be even try a mini pre-world cup tournament, 1 or 2 qualified teams playing against us. We are close enough and european and asian teams would see climate conditions as decent preparation for Brazil. We have decent facilities for the most part and enough stadia. TTFF and Gov't should be doing proposals all now and just waiting for qualifed teams over the next 6 months or so.
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« Reply #175 on: May 03, 2013, 02:42:51 PM »

 The TTFF should be even try a mini pre-world cup tournament, 1 or 2 qualified teams playing against us. We are close enough and european and asian teams would see climate conditions as decent preparation for Brazil. We have decent facilities for the most part and enough stadia. TTFF and Gov't should be doing proposals all now and just waiting for qualifed teams over the next 6 months or so.

Interesting idea but are the stadia we have sufficiently large for such a thing?
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« Reply #176 on: May 03, 2013, 03:06:15 PM »
Might be dependant on who actually are the visiting teams but the stadiums should be large enough to host fans from just one or two teams plus the local support.
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« Reply #177 on: May 03, 2013, 04:12:01 PM »
For pre-WC friendly HCS is large enough. The issue will be if the facilities( toilets and security and other things) are up to international or WC standards.

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« Reply #178 on: May 03, 2013, 07:14:04 PM »

 The TTFF should be even try a mini pre-world cup tournament, 1 or 2 qualified teams playing against us. We are close enough and european and asian teams would see climate conditions as decent preparation for Brazil. We have decent facilities for the most part and enough stadia. TTFF and Gov't should be doing proposals all now and just waiting for qualifed teams over the next 6 months or so.

Interesting idea but are the stadia we have sufficiently large for such a thing?

Stadiums are as good as those the Soca Warriors played in in Europe before Germany 06.

Until you know which teams qualify, you can't do too much. Once you get interest from the teams, you can really push forward.

At this time, Japan, Germany, Netherlands, Argentina look good to go through so far. Of those, I imagine only Japan would be interested in T&T as a pre tournament camp. I think the African nations or smaller European nations may be the best bet. From what I've heard, most of the "bigger" nations prefer USA as a preparation destination. 

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« Reply #179 on: May 03, 2013, 08:05:09 PM »
They thief that idea from the movie Highlander ( or was Highlander 2 or 3)  ;D
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