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Lasana, was comment solicited from Ken Elie?

Yes. We interviewed him twice in the last two months or so. Those stories are on the website.

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Palos but the players, coach and various others confirmed that DJW did walk on the field and hold a private audience. The story was not retracted and no lawsuit filed by DJW because he knows their are witness.

My point is DJW promised to do X, if Y. When Y was proven you only have his promise to enforce. Can you enforce another person's promise?

You can call them out on it.  If they refuse to make good on their promise...then everybody knows for a fact that person's word is worthless

Several witnesses are stunned that DJW would pretend that this never happened. But he knows that anyone who speaks out will be risking their own future with the national programme. So it is a calculated gamble.
Even more important is the fact that TTFA funds was used to aid his unsuccessful bid to be CFU president. And WITHOUT board approval. That story might not be as sexy but it is Jack Warner behaviour. And he seems to be getting away with it because the board grumbles but does not act.

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Steupse if you have evidence bring it! who are the players, when did this happen? where did it happen? If there are funds was used as you claimed then you need to explain in detail with facts.

Like DJW if you have evidence to support your claims then he will step down but until then this whole thing is childish.  He dared anyone to bring evidence and up until now all the accusers cannot bring one damn thing. Allyuh make him look good in this situation! Before yapping yuh mouth have the facts ready and present it
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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2017, 06:28:35 AM »
Latapy heads TTFA wishlist to replace Saintfiet; but Warriors want Hart, Fevrier or Fenwick.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


Former Trinidad and Tobago football legend Russell Latapy is believed to head the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s (TTFA) wishlist, as the technical committee ponders its replacement for outgoing coach Tom Saintfiet.

However, the Soca Warriors are pleading with the local football body to return Stephen Hart to the helm.

Saintfiet, who lost both 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup playoff matches to Suriname and Haiti on 4 and 8 January respectively, informed the public that he had resigned his post on Wednesday morning, just one month into his tenure.

The journeyman Belgian, whose former jobs included the Bangladesh, Malawi and Namibia National Teams, blamed TTFA president David John-Williams for creating an environment that made it impossible for him to be successful.

Wired868 understands that, even before Saintfiet quit, Latapy—who served as the Belgian’s assistant—had already been offered the job. However, this was not confirmed by either party and, even then, the approach was said to have occurred after the Warriors lost to Haiti on Sunday night.

There is no suggestion that Latapy did not fully support Saintfiet during the latter’s short-lived stint as head coach. However, if Latapy does take over the top job, it would be the second time that he inherited the position after serving as assistant to his predecessor.

On 8 April 2009, then head coach Francisco Maturana resigned and claimed that there were “differences of opinion in the last couple of games with Latapy” and there was “never one belief” with his assistant.

Then TTFF special advisor Jack Warner appointed Latapy on an interim basis with Zoran Vranes as his assistant. Vranes was subsequently replaced while Latapy kept his place for a total of 20 months.

In 13 competitive matches, Latapy led the Warriors to five wins, one draw and seven defeats and was eventually relieved his place after Trinidad and Tobago were dumped out of the 2010 Caribbean Cup at the group stage with defeats to Cuba and Grenada.

Latapy’s return to international duty, last September, was also a disappointment as Trinidad and Tobago were eliminated in the group stage on home soil in the Caribbean Under-17 Championship after losses to Haiti and Jamaica.

Latapy, a former World Cup 2006 player and Porto and Glasgow Rangers playmaker, barely had three weeks with the youth team before the competition.

And, if one of the country’s most iconic players gets the nod from the TTFA technical committee, it will be another devilishly difficult task with Trinidad and Tobago needing at least four points in Port of Spain against Panama and Mexico to kickstart their campaign on 24 and 28 March respectively.

Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene chairs the technical committee, which also includes Dr Alvin Henderson (vice-chairman), Muhammad Isa (technical director), Errol Lovell and Jinelle James. Former 1991 World Youth Cup coach Bertille St Clair has taken leave from the committee for health reasons.

Notably, Latapy is not the players’ choice—although nine members of the current Warriors pool ran out under “the Little Magician”, six years ago.

In an email to John-Williams and TTFA vice-presidents Joanne Salazar and Ewing Davis, the national footballers urged the local football body to reinstate Hart. The email was sent by Central FC goalkeeper and players’ representative Jan-Michael Williams but was said to represent 23 unnamed national players who all collaborated in the message.

“We, the players, come to you with utmost humility, asking for your consideration with regards to the selection of a new coach for the National Men’s Senior Team. We have accumulated a list of four names for special and serious consideration for the position of Head Coach and Assistant Coach.

“We KNOW it is not our decision to make, neither is it our place to make such demands, but we—23 current players—have pooled our knowledge, resources and ideas together to come up with a few names for your immediate consideration.

“We can all agree that we the players have interacted with these names at some level, so we can safely say our knowledge can be used in this regard.”


The coaches identified by the players are: Hart, W Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier and former Central FC and San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick.

Trinidad and Tobago national players are not usually given a say in the selection of coaches but there is precedent. In 2005, Warner hired Englishman Ron Atkinson to replace Bertille St Clair—three games into the Hex—and, as a matter of courtesy, informed the senior players before revealing his choice to the media.

However, the senior players, led by captain Dwight Yorke and goalkeeper Shaka Hislop, refused to play for Atkinson due to his previous run-ins with Yorke and racist remarks the controversial manager made about former France World Cup winning captain Marcel Desailly.

So, Warner did an about-turn and eventually returned with former Real Madrid and Netherlands coach Leo Beenhakker instead.

In this case, the Warriors are suggesting who they would like to have as coach rather than who they do not want. The 23 players stressed too that, although Hart was their first choice, they had not decided on the preferred candidate between Fevrier and Fenwick.

Fevrier, a St Lucian by birth, spent most of his adult life in Trinidad and coached in the local top flight since 1999. He spent six months as Trinidad and Tobago coach in 2003 but was replaced before ever leading the team into competitive action.

His record of two wins, three draws and three losses was seen as credible at the time against largely decent opposition like South Africa, Venezuela and Morocco.

However, Fevrier was replaced by St Clair at the supposed insistence of a few senior players led by star striker Stern John. Although the St Lucian is a widely respected local coach, his proximity to Connection owner John-Williams could potentially be a double-edged sword.

Fenwick, a former England World Cup defender and Tottenham Spurs captain, has never coached a national team but is a multiple Pro League Coach of the Year and is widely regarded as one of the best—if not the best—coach on the island.

His teams are athletic, aggressive and tactical flexible and he worked with most of the current squad including Khaleem Hyland, Kevin Molino, Sheldon Bateau and Williams. But his relationship with John-Williams is strained while his blunt, brash style has divided football stakeholders.

Interestingly, Fenwick and Fevrier were believed to have been on the technical committee’s shortlist, even before the appeal from the national players.

Serbian coach Zoran Vranes, who led Trinidad and Tobago at the 2009 Under-20 World Cup, and Colombian Francisco Maturana, who coached his native team at the 1990 and 1994 World Cups and is a former South America Coach of the Year, are also believed to be on the TTFA’s radar.

Fenwick, Vranes and Maturana all applied for the national post, two months ago, but were overlooked for Saintfiet.

Wired868 understands that Maturana, who steered Trinidad and Tobago into the Hex for the 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign, will not return as a stop gap measure and is only interested in the post if he has the opportunity to rebuild the national team.

Fenwick is believed to be also disinterested in a short-term appointment.

If the TTFA insists that its next coach—like Saintfiet—will only be guaranteed employment until the end of March, it is likely to thin their options even further.

At present, Latapy, who is already employed by the TTFA as a national youth team director, seems to be the preferred candidate. But the players have other ideas.

The Warriors stressed, though, that they would give full support to whoever is selected by the local football body.

“We pledge our full support regardless of who is selected to the position, even if it a person or persons outside of this list, as we know that we the players play an integral part in helping the team to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.”

There was one other request from the players. They want team doctor Terence Babwah and paramedic Dave Isaac gone due to a supposed breakdown in trust, after the two staff members claimed that Hart used Williams against medical advice for Trinidad and Tobago’s last World Cup qualifier away to Honduras.

“We would also like that the duo of Dr Terrence Babwah and Dave Isaac be replaced with IMMEDIATE EFFECT, because of the lack of trust that we the players have in them,” stated the players. “We look forward to working with you—the Federation—hand in hand to reach our goal, which is qualification for the 2018 World Cup.”

(Full statement from 23 Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team players)

Good day Members of the TTFA,

We hope this message meets you all in good health and spirits.

We, the players, come to you with utmost humility, asking for your consideration with regards to the selection of a new coach for the National Men’s Senior Team. We have accumulated a list of four names for special and serious consideration for the position of Head Coach and Assistant Coach.

We KNOW it is not our decision to make, neither is it our place to make such demands, but we—23 current players—have pooled our knowledge, resources and ideas together to come up with a few names for your immediate consideration.

We can all agree that we the players have interacted with these names at some level, so we can safely say our knowledge can be used in this regard. We pledge our full support regardless of who is selected to the position, even if it a person or persons outside of this list, as we know that we the players play an integral part in helping the team to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.

We also ask that we be treated without prejudice, neither for the composition of this list nor for allowing it into the hands of the media, as we believe it will be treated with the seriousness it requires when we do so. The list is as follows:

Head coaches for consideration:

Stephen Hart

Stuart Charles-Fevrier

Terry Fenwick

Angus Eve (Assistant Coach)

We would also like that the duo of Dr Terrence Babwah and Dave Isaac be replaced with IMMEDIATE EFFECT, because of the lack of trust that we the players have in them.

We look forward to working with you—the Federation—hand in hand to reach our goal, which is qualification for the 2018 World Cup.

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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2017, 08:32:11 AM »
Hiring Latas is a big step backwards.

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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2017, 09:14:50 AM »
Sam, in your right mind, you could see DJW having a news conference welcoming the return of Hart? The only way he coming back is if a new admin is installed. Unless you know something we don't know, DJW is in charge(lord help us) for the next for years.
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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2017, 09:52:31 AM »
We're going back to 2010 guys...DJW not risking connection success by appointing fevrier...and he dont like fenwick...so is between maturana and latas...
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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2017, 10:18:53 AM »
Hiring Latas is a big step backwards.

There should be no dilemma as to whom to choose between Latapy and Lawrence. None.

Also, if the final pool of candidates is accurately said to be narrowed to Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Terry Fenwick, Russell Latapy, Dennis Lawrence and Francisco Maturana, that would indicate the absence of proper process.

In addition, Maturana was much maligned regarding language competence. How is he on the  shortlist and Luis Fernando Suarez was discarded?
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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2017, 11:34:58 AM »
What is Lawrence experience. Especially most recent. Where is he coaching and overall, who has he coached ? Don't know enough about him. I knew he was with Everton club at one point, but not sure what he did there. Fill me in please.

Wiki only has this
"Coaching career[edit]
Lawrence joined Wigan Athletic as a coach in October 2010 after impressing Spanish manager Roberto Martinez on a trial during the 2010/11 pre-season.[6] When Martinez was appointed as manager of Everton, Lawrence was appointed as first-team development coach.[7]"


Hope that's not all .
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« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2017, 12:27:12 PM »
Hiring Latas is a big step backwards.

There should be no dilemma as to whom to choose between Latapy and Lawrence. None.

Also, if the final pool of candidates is accurately said to be narrowed to Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Terry Fenwick, Russell Latapy, Dennis Lawrence and Francisco Maturana, that would indicate the absence of proper process.

In addition, Maturana was much maligned regarding language competence. How is he on the  shortlist and Luis Fernando Suarez was discarded?



That's the million dollar question, no money for the men's team in the Dictators effort to sabotage our football, yet Suarez can't make the shortlist? But maturana can lol   :D

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« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2017, 12:34:55 PM »
What is Lawrence experience. Especially most recent. Where is he coaching and overall, who has he coached ? Don't know enough about him. I knew he was with Everton club at one point, but not sure what he did there. Fill me in please.

Wiki only has this
"Coaching career[edit]
Lawrence joined Wigan Athletic as a coach in October 2010 after impressing Spanish manager Roberto Martinez on a trial during the 2010/11 pre-season.[6] When Martinez was appointed as manager of Everton, Lawrence was appointed as first-team development coach.[7]"


Hope that's not all .

Didn't a recent article point out tallest is an asst coach for the Belgium national team? Correct me if I'm wrong

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« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM »
What is Lawrence experience. Especially most recent. Where is he coaching and overall, who has he coached ? Don't know enough about him. I knew he was with Everton club at one point, but not sure what he did there. Fill me in please.

Wiki only has this
"Coaching career[edit]
Lawrence joined Wigan Athletic as a coach in October 2010 after impressing Spanish manager Roberto Martinez on a trial during the 2010/11 pre-season.[6] When Martinez was appointed as manager of Everton, Lawrence was appointed as first-team development coach.[7]"


Hope that's not all .

Didn't a recent article point out tallest is an asst coach for the Belgium national team? Correct me if I'm wrong
again Wiki says
"As of November 2016, a crew of over 20 RBFA employees guides the player group,[153] including their Spanish manager Roberto Martínez, his assistants Graeme Jones and Thierry Henry, and goalkeeping coaches Erwin Lemmens and Ińaki Bergara.["


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« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2017, 12:54:52 PM »
Await the Sportsmax retraction.

Regardless, maxg would you consider Marcel Desailly as NT coach?
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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2017, 12:56:36 PM »
Await the Sportsmax retraction.

Poor journalism you say?

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« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2017, 12:58:36 PM »
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« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2017, 01:01:10 PM »
Await the Sportsmax retraction.

Regardless, maxg would you consider Marcel Desailly as NT coach?
and even so, undercover asst coach with Wigan, Everton and Belgium, not enuff nah..well except that Roberto Martinez like yuh around...but say wha, still a step up from ah Saint and maybe ah disciple, I guess   ???

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« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2017, 01:01:36 PM »
Apparently he isn't.

http://www.belgianfootball.be/en/red-devils-staff

Hmmmm.. sportsmax as bad as our journalists home... now that is a world class staff, something Trinidad football should have invested in, a full staff to support hart
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« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2017, 01:07:20 PM »
Await the Sportsmax retraction.

Regardless, maxg would you consider Marcel Desailly as NT coach?

He still campaigning for Ghana head coach?

He has way less experience in the coaching realm than tallest, no comparison really in that category

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« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2017, 01:39:21 PM »
Everyone starts somewhere. And, there has to be reasonable balance between credentialing and gaining experience.

Desailly and Lawrence attained their Pro Licences at the same time.

We have to be careful not to minimize what are difficult achievements.
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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2017, 03:12:49 PM »
Everyone starts somewhere. And, there has to be reasonable balance between credentialing and gaining experience.

Desailly and Lawrence attained their Pro Licences at the same time.

We have to be careful not to minimize what are difficult achievements.

ADD: To the question of Desailly over Lawrence
nope, but it will depend on who the other candidates are. However, Imho, Tallest trumps Desailly. I think we need someone who knows our region in depth. You were in mexico, it doh have no good Mexicans or Costa Ricans ? We dun reject a Trini-Canadian who knew culture, people, players, regional competition, thus anybody else will be less prepared, but who else is out there that will be best suited ? Anybody with some level experience who can be hired on a long term (5 + years), regardless of short term results. This fly in, lorse, fly out business won't get us consistently playing no different than how we play now. As a matter of fact, which team in the world today, outside of say the top 25, can  guarantee a consistent positive result over 5 years ?  Bigger and more dedicated countries than us, Countries throwing more funding into programs, Cannot. Yet we expect our dreams to be real, every year. And want to fire everybody who "fail" us in the limited time  (not based on any facts, just throwing thoughts out there.) No consistency in any program - good or bad, yet we expect consistent positive results.
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« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2017, 03:55:56 PM »
It doesn't matter who is named head coach


I'm stating this here:

Whoever is coach will have the foreign pros back for the games against Panama and Mexico.  It won't matter. 

T&T WILL NOT DEFEAT PANAMA ON MARCH 24

AND T&T WILL NOT DEFEAT MEXICO ON MARCH 28

After those 2 games, the publicly stated "plan" will be to "rebuild" for the 2022 campaign.   

Local based players will form the core of the squad for the remaining Hex matches in the hopes that some will attract a foreign contract

T&T public will largely forget about football and go back to what they normally do

A few die hards will continue to follow the team and local football

And the downbeat goes on.  We jammin still
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« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2017, 06:53:18 PM »
It doesn't matter who is named head coach


I'm stating this here:

Whoever is coach will have the foreign pros back for the games against Panama and Mexico.  It won't matter. 

T&T WILL NOT DEFEAT PANAMA ON MARCH 24

AND T&T WILL NOT DEFEAT MEXICO ON MARCH 28

After those 2 games, the publicly stated "plan" will be to "rebuild" for the 2022 campaign.   

Local based players will form the core of the squad for the remaining Hex matches in the hopes that some will attract a foreign contract

T&T public will largely forget about football and go back to what they normally do

A few die hards will continue to follow the team and local football

And the downbeat goes on.  We jammin still


Players getting contracts, match fixing, bribes and underhanded activities will resume as usual after the dictator delivers the check mate

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« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2017, 06:55:43 PM »
Everyone starts somewhere. And, there has to be reasonable balance between credentialing and gaining experience.

Desailly and Lawrence attained their Pro Licences at the same time.

We have to be careful not to minimize what are difficult achievements.


I agree but tallest know the culture and have experience under Martinez, desailly has what experience?

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« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2017, 08:13:46 PM »
Fellow Warriors this not rocket science ...Straight up its Hart of bust
Nothing other than Hart taking us to the world cup...Put that in your pipe and smoke it
Without Hart it's 2022 we looking at...And as can be seen that is no guarantee
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« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2017, 08:42:09 PM »
Everyone starts somewhere. And, there has to be reasonable balance between credentialing and gaining experience.

Desailly and Lawrence attained their Pro Licences at the same time.

We have to be careful not to minimize what are difficult achievements.


I agree but tallest know the culture and have experience under Martinez, desailly has what experience?

Desailly was not a proposal. It was question to prod maxg to a "better" response than his initial response.
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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2017, 10:16:11 PM »
Everyone starts somewhere. And, there has to be reasonable balance between credentialing and gaining experience.

Desailly and Lawrence attained their Pro Licences at the same time.

We have to be careful not to minimize what are difficult achievements.


I agree but tallest know the culture and have experience under Martinez, desailly has what experience?

Desailly was not a proposal. It was question to prod maxg to a "better" response than his initial response.

Duly noted my friend...

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« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2017, 03:39:38 AM »
The real question over Latapy is "has he learnt anything in the intervening years that would make him more successful than the last time?"

Given the debacle of the U17 team, I can't say I'm sure of that.

Same for Maturano - he's barely had a job since his last appointment so what's the proof or measure of progress?

If these two are the only "experienced" options, then we need to take a chance - madness is repeating the mistakes of the past. In that vein, Fenwick, Lawrence and Fevrier are the superior options.

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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2017, 09:52:22 AM »
..............Desailly was not a proposal. It was question to prod maxg to a "better" response than his initial response.
Ah boy, yuh use ah cattle prod on meh an throwmeh in with "The HERD" or what ?   :devil:  :rotfl:

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Re: The rise, fall & future of a T&T football legend.
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2017, 09:53:00 AM »
Hiring Latas is a big step backwards.

There should be no dilemma as to whom to choose between Latapy and Lawrence. None.

Also, if the final pool of candidates is accurately said to be narrowed to Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Terry Fenwick, Russell Latapy, Dennis Lawrence and Francisco Maturana, that would indicate the absence of proper process.

In addition, Maturana was much maligned regarding language competence. How is he on the  shortlist and Luis Fernando Suarez was discarded?


I don't want Lawrence either.

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