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WTF Going on in Arizona???
« on: January 08, 2011, 02:18:04 PM »
Congresswoman Giffords Shot in Tucson

By J. DAVID GOODMAN




Gabrielle Giffords, a congresswoman from Arizona, was shot in the head on Saturday at a public event held at a grocery store in Tucson, her spokesman, C. J. Karamargin, said. Others at the event, including members of her staff, were among the injured.

Her condition was unknown. She was taken to University Medical Center in Tucson, the trauma center for the area, about 10 miles away. Even though NPR and CNN reported that she had been killed, Darci Slater, a hospital spokeswoman, said that Ms. Giffords was in surgery.

CNN quoted a public information officer for the sheriff’s office as saying that 12 people had been injured in all and that the shooting had occurred around 10 a.m. local time.

Dr. Steven Rayle, a former emergency room doctor who now works in a hospice, said that he had witnessed the shootings. He said the congresswoman was standing behind a table outside the Safeway greeting passersby when the gunman approached her from behind, held a gun about a foot from her head and began firing.

. “He must have got off 20 rounds,” he said. Ms. Giffords slumped to the ground and staff members immediately rushed to her aid, Dr. Rayle said.

Dr. Rayle said he performed CPR on some of the victims. He said one of the victims was a young child and appeared to be in critical condition with a gunshot wound.

He said that one of the staffers tackled the gunman and that he and others helped detain the suspect. The doctor described the gunman as a white male in his mid-20s with short hair and “dressed in a shabby manner.”

An employee at a nearby store told CNN that he heard a steady stream of gun fire that appeared sustained and “random.” Shortly after, emergency vehicles filled the parking lot around the grocery story and cordoned off the area.

The shooting occurred at a Safeway supermarket in northwest Tucson as Ms. Giffords hosted an event, called “Congress on Your Corner, to allow members of the 8th Congressional District to meet her individually. She has held several events since first taking office in January 2007. At one such event in 2009, a protester was removed by police when his pistol fell on the supermarket floor.

Last March, her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote overhauling the nation’s health care system, the authorities said. Earlier events in Tucson, Oro Valley, Green Valley, Sierra Vista, and Douglas had attracted between 75 and 150 people, according to a statement announcing the event. This was her first event since her re-election to a third term in November.

Ms. Giffords, 40, was interviewed on Fox news on Friday to talk about a bill to cut to congressional salaries by 5 percent.

She married Cmdr. Mark E. Kelly, 46, a NASA astronaut and Navy pilot from New Jersey, in December 2007 at a wedding attended by Robert B. Reich, the former Labor secretary.


Marc Lacey contributed reporting from Tucson.


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: January 8, 2011


An earlier version of this article misstated Gabrielle Giffords's condition. While several news reports had said she had died on the scene, a hospital spokeswoman said that the congresswoman was undergoing surgery.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp
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Re: WTF Going on in America???
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 02:35:36 PM »
Brings to mind New York councilman James E. Davis who was gunned down at City Hall in 2003 by another politician. We wasn't pardnas or nutten, but we took a few undergrad classes together at Pace University.
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 03:46:18 PM »
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 05:03:09 PM »
Conflicting reports as to whether she's dead, or still undergoing surgery. This in no way implicates Arizona's "open carry" laws, but I can't help but make the connection between this killing and scenes such as
this at an Obama protest 2 yrs ago... also in Arizona


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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 01:15:54 AM »
6 dead includin 9 year old girl.congress woman bullit enter and exit she head.she in surgery.
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 08:39:16 AM »
Gun culture and easy access = madness. Is it true?

Maybe its the mentality of the people (generalization). We have all read the gun murder comparison arguments in the USA, versus Britain, Japan, Scandanavia etc. But I recently read an article, that if you remove guns out of the equation, the USA will still have a murder rate of 59% higher per population  ???
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 10:32:17 AM »
Gun culture and easy access = madness. Is it true?

Maybe its the mentality of the people (generalization). We have all read the gun murder comparison arguments in the USA, versus Britain, Japan, Scandanavia etc. But I recently read an article, that if you remove guns out of the equation, the USA will still have a murder rate of 59% higher per population  ???


In addition to the poisionous, hate filled political climate brewing in this country and the use of media to carry out their agendas.

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This is what 22 looks like?
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 02:48:45 AM »


Da pic look like one ah dem forumites on here
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 05:29:18 AM »
I see that pic on the TV this morning and ah still asking mih self....he 22??!!  :o :o Geez and ages!!  And as for that creepy smile.  Who de arse does smile so for a mug shot??  Mad no arse in trute!!!
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Funeral pickets to be met by 'angels'
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 06:19:27 AM »
Funeral pickets to be met by 'angels'
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Tucson just isn't that kind of town, says Christin Gilmer.

Gilmer is talking about Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, that has made its name picketing the funerals of people who died of AIDS, gay people, soldiers and even Coretta Scott King.

But when the church announced its intention to picket the funeral of a 9-year-old girl -- one of six people who died Saturday during the attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- Gilmer and others in the college town put their feet down.

Tucson, said Gilmer -- who said two of the six people killed were friends -- is a "caring, loving, peaceful community."

"For something like this to happen in Tucson was a really big shock to us all," she said. "Our nightmare happened when we saw Westboro Baptist Church was going to picket the funerals."

They're planning an "angel action" -- with 8-by-10-foot "angel wings" worn by participants and used to shield mourners from pickets. The actions were created by Coloradan Romaine Patterson, who was shocked to find the Topeka church and its neon signs outside the 1999 funeral of Matthew Shepherd, a young gay man beaten and left on a fence to die in Laramie, Wyoming.

"We want to surround them, in a nonviolent way, to say that our community is united," Gilmer said. "We're a peaceful haven."

"You don't mess with Tucson," said Gilmer, 26, who described it as "a little dot of blue in a sea of red."

But political persuasions don't matter, she said. Republicans, Democrats, independents, right, left and center -- they've all offered their support. Forty-two people have signed up on a Facebook page called "Build Angel Wings for the Westboro Funeral Counter-Protest and Meeting" and more than 4,500 have signed up on another page to "Show Support for the Families of the Tucson Shooting Victims."

"People, businesses, they're all donating material and money to build the angel wings," said Gilmer, who is helping organize the action. And, she added, they're donating to a fund created to help pay for services for the victims of the shooting.

Chelsea Cohen, a 20-year-old senior at the University of Arizona who launched the "Show Support" Facebook page, said she never expected such a response.

"Once I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church was coming, I felt like something should be done to show support for the families," she said. "I don't have any experience in organizing these things. I thought I might get 50 to 100 people."

Cohen said she thinks many of the 4,500 people who've signed up on the Facebook page will be there "in spirit" on Thursday, when mourners gather for the funeral of Christina Taylor Green, who was born on September 11, 2001. But she added, Tucson is an active town, and the response isn't likely to be small.

"This isn't a counter-protest," she said. "We wanted it to show support for the families and to show that Tucson is there with love and support."

They don't want to interfere with the funeral in any way, Cohen said.

"We plan on being completely silent, and we're asking people not to bring signs or make comments about the Westboro Baptist Church," she said.

The angels will be doing the same thing.

"We're going to silently stand there so people can mourn the death of a 9-year-old girl who died in a senseless tragedy," Gilmer said.

Cohen said several groups are planning to be at the funeral to show their support, and there is an effort afoot to bring them all together "into one group so we can all be on the same page."

"I hope that everyone there can convey the peaceful message that we want to convey, she said

And if the church pickets persist, the silent supporters will be on hand for the funerals of U.S. District Judge John Roll, Gabriel Zimmerman, Dorothy Morris, Dorwin Stoddard and Phyllis Schneck, the other five victims of Saturday's shooting. Giffords, who was shot in the head and is in critical condition, and 13 other people were wounded.

Westboro Baptist Church, founded by its spiritual leader, Fred Phelps, and run mostly by family members, did not respond to a request for an interview in time for this article. But a flier released by the church about the picket targets the Roman Catholic Church because Christina and her family were members.

"God hates Catholics!" the flier, posted on the church's "God Hates Fags" website, says. "God calls your religion 'vain,' as it's empty of His truth; you worship idols!"
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 11:57:43 AM »
Protests and "protection" with 8 by 10 foot "angel wings"... clearly de shooter ent de only one mad in Arizona.  Went tuh ah funeral and carnival break out.

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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 01:24:46 PM »
Finally some good news...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/us/14giffords.html?_r=1&hp

Doctors Call Giffords’s Progress Remarkable
By MARC LACEY and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Published: January 13, 2011

TUCSON — Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head at close range Saturday, is able to keep her eyes open for up to 15 minutes at a time and can move her legs and hands, although her right hand has only slight movement, doctors at University Medical Center said Thursday morning.

“She is doing some fairly specific things with her left hand,” Dr. Peter Rhee, the hospital’s chief of trauma told a news conference. “She is yawning. She is starting to rub her eyes.”

Dr. G. Michael Lemole Jr., the hospital’s chief of neurosurgery, said Ms. Giffords can also “move both of her legs to command.”

Her turnaround was deemed remarkable by doctors.

Ms. Giffords was only able to open her eyes for the first time on Wednesday, shortly after a visit from President Obama and while several of her Congressional colleagues were in the hospital room. During a speech from Tucson on Wednesday evening, President Obama relayed the news to the nation.

“Gabby opened her eyes for the first time,” Mr. Obama said. “Gabby opened her eyes!”

Six people were killed and 14 others, including Ms. Giffords, were wounded in the shooting rampage on Saturday in a Tucson parking lot, where Ms. Giffords was meeting constituents. Ms. Giffords, who the authorities believe was the target of the attack, is the only one of the victims who is listed in critical condition at the hospital. Four others who are still at University Medical Center are listed in fair condition, and two are in serious condition.

Jared L. Loughner, 22, has been charged in federal court with shooting Ms. Giffords and four other people who were federal employees, and is expected to face state prosecution for the rest. Officials at Pima Community College, where Mr. Loughner was a student, believed that he might be mentally ill or under the influence of drugs, after a series of bizarre classroom disruptions in which he unnerved instructors and fellow students, including one occasion when he insisted that the number 6 was actually the number 18, according to internal reports from the college that were released on Wednesday.

The 51 pages of documents offer vivid firsthand accounts of Mr. Loughner’s contacts with law enforcement officials in the months leading up to the shootings, and will inevitably be studied closely for answers to the question of whether the college did everything it could have, or should have, with him.

Authorities said on Wednesday that Mr. Loughner had had repeated contact with law enforcement officers over the years. Hours before the shooting on Saturday, he was pulled over by a police officer for running a red light. Investigators are “100 percent” certain that Mr. Loughner did not have an accomplice, and while they continue to investigate his “online associations,” they have seen no obvious connection between Mr. Loughner and political extremists, said Richard Kastigar, who oversees investigations at the Pima County Sheriff’s Department.

Local and federal law enforcement officials are focusing instead on filling in gaps in the timeline of the day of the shooting, and on gathering evidence to counter an expected insanity defense, investigators said.

Judge Larry Alan Burns of Federal District Court in San Diego was assigned on Wednesday to preside over Mr. Loughner’s trial. Judge Burns, who was appointed to the federal bench in 2003 by President George W. Bush, is best known for presiding over the trial of Representative Randy Cunningham of California, who pleaded guilty in 2005 to taking $2.4 million in bribes from military contractors.

Investigators said that the evidence they were gathering shows that Mr. Loughner set out to kill Ms. Giffords, and that he knew the difference between right and wrong. They point to comments he made to a friend, asking for forgiveness. Mr. Kastigar also noted scrawlings on a piece of paper found in his house, including the words “die bitch,” “die cops” and words to the effect of “assassination plans have been arranged,” Mr. Kastigar said.

The sheriff’s department released records on Wednesday showing that Mr. Loughner and a member of his family had had at least nine contacts with law enforcement between 1994 and 2010. Mr. Loughner had been bullied at school, and was poked with a needle by a classmate in 2004, the documents said. He was rushed to the hospital in 2006 after showing up at school severely intoxicated; he told the police he had consumed a lot of vodka because his father had yelled at him.

In 2007, the records show, he and a friend were arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia after the police smelled marijuana when they stopped a vehicle they were in.

In 2008, an officer seemed to notice something was amiss with Mr. Loughner, who came to the station to report that someone had improperly posted his name and photograph on a Web site. “I noted that Jared was slow to respond to my questions,” the officer wrote. “He often hesitated, as if he was trying to think of an explanation.”

Mr. Kastigar offered a robust defense of police officers’ actions with regard to Mr. Loughner, and characterized Mr. Loughner’s run-ins with them before the shootings as minor.

“There’s been all this speculation” that the gunman could have been stopped, he said. But “there was nothing, and I cannot underscore this strongly enough,” he said, that would have led law enforcement “to conclude that this guy was going to act out and shoot 20 people.”

Investigators are combing through social networking sites like Facebook and other online forums to reconstruct Mr. Loughner’s trail on the Internet in the weeks leading up to the shooting. But Mr. Kastigar said that would take time.

Another law enforcement official said that the only gun found at the Loughner home was a single-shot shotgun. “He didn’t have a major cache of weapons,” the official said.

Mr. Loughner bought the bullets for the Glock semiautomatic pistol used in the shooting on Saturday morning at a local Wal-Mart, the authorities said. The bullets were full metal jacket range rounds, one official said, noting that, had the gunman purchased more expensive self-defense rounds that mushroom upon impact, many more of people might have died. Such ammunition would have done far more damage to those it hit, the official said.

The most severely wounded of the survivors was, Ms. Giffords, who was hit by a bullet that passed through her head. Doctors said on Wednesday that she was continuing to make progress.

“We have decreased the amount of sedation, and she is becoming more spontaneous,” said Dr. Peter Rhee, the director of medical trauma care at the University Medical Center.

Three hospital workers were fired Wednesday for looking at private medical records of victims of the shootings, though officials said they did not believe the information they saw had leaked into public view.

At Ms. Giffords’s Congressional office in Tucson, staff members said they were overwhelmed by the outpouring of support for the wounded lawmaker. Among those visiting in recent days were Dennis DeConcini, a former senator, and Representative Raúl M. Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, whose district abuts Ms. Giffords’s. Mr. Grijalva has offered to assist Ms. Giffords with constituent services while she recovers.

Then there was the unknown man who came in and offered to be put to work. “He came in and said he wanted to volunteer,” said C. J. Karamargin, the congresswoman’s communications director. “We said, ‘Who are you?’ Then he told us he was a congressman.”

It was Representative Hansen Clarke, a newly elected Democrat from Michigan.

“It was a touching gesture,” Mr. Karamargin said.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2011, 01:31:10 PM »


Rush Limbaugh Says Loughner Has Full Support of Democrats  
January 12, 2011
Gary Fackler -- HispanicBusiness

Talk show host Rush Limbaugh said today that Tuscon gunman Jarred Loughner is smiling in his mugshot because he knows "he has the full support of a major political party in this country."

It was the latest salvo in a war of words between Mr. Limbaugh and other conservative pundits and those on the left who claim that conservatives have created a political climate that promotes violent acts against goverment officials.

Although there has been no evidence to date that Loughner's acts were directly motivated by politics, commentators like HBO's Bill Maher have claimed that the hostile attitude of members of the tea party, with some members attending rallies carrying handguns, has created a toxic mix of anger and hostility conducive to outbursts of violence.

Sarah Palin reacted to the claims by releasing a video on her Facebook page Wednesday morning accusing the media of engaging in 'Blood Libel' by accusing her and other conservatives of creating a gun-happy environment that encourages mentally unbalanced individuals to act out.

That was followed later Wednesday by Limbaugh's assertion that Democrats are supporting Loughner.

President Barack Obama is scheduled to speak Wednesday night in Arizona at a memorial for victims of the shooting.
 
 

 
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Re: WTF Going on in Arizona???
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2011, 03:36:45 PM »
Some jackass congressman from Texas say de FBI hiding information about Loughner's ties to the Democrats too.  Some people just ent have no kinda shame.

 

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