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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2012, 10:16:01 AM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachslaton/2012/05/14/the-ultimate-triumph-of-the-benefactor-model/
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The Impact of the Benefactors

Most of the debate over “buying titles” tends to focus on one aspect of the economic side of the game over others.  Those hurling accusations of nefarious financial deeds often look at transfer spending, insinuating that certain clubs are actually buying the players they need to win the title.  Others look to wages to either make the case that one club is worse than the others, or that all clubs are spending relatively the same amount of money.  There are few sources that pull together the entire view of what clubs are spending on players.

One such online resource that takes such a complete view is the Transfer Price Index (TPI), a consortium of researchers (I am one of them) that utilize Graeme Riley’s excellent database that contains a record of every single transfer in the history of the English Premier League.  The database allows the TPI to construct models based upon the squad and starting XI costs in current day values of transfers using transfer-specific inflation factors from season to season.  This is the only publicly known database that is able to compare the cost of assembling each team in every Premier League season.  These models demonstrate that the value of a squad (Sq£) or starting XI (£XI) in terms of its total current transfer purchase price (CTPP) is highly correlated to success in the Premier League.

Recent discussions with Prof. Stephan Szymanski, one of the co-authors of Soccernomics, led to his generous sharing of the Premier League-era wage data subset from his far more extensive financial records that cover all four divisions of English soccer over a 40 year period.  The TPI team added those numbers to the existing transfer data to come up with a metric entitled total team valuation (TTV) that represents the total cost to assemble and pay a team over a given season.  Understanding the change in TTV allowed for the construction of inflation factors by season and the resultant current total team valuation (CTTV) in 2010/11 season pounds (the latest season for which data is available for all 20 Premier League teams).  As both the TPI and Soccernomics have explained, it’s not how much a team spends in absolute terms but rather how much it spends relative to the other clubs in the league that raises its likelihood of success.  Thus, what matters most is the values of multiple of median Sq£ (mSq£), multiple of median club wage bill, and multiple of median TTV (mTTV).

Whether or not Chelsea’s and Manchester City’s championships are the result of abnormal amounts of cash being spent on players and thus buying championships can be understood via an examination of the data behind the TTV model.




And the net point of the article can be summed up in this paragraph:
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To be very direct, Chelsea and Manchester City are built upon a foundation of money not found within the normal economic means of a soccer club.  These two teams are funded by owners who are rich due to their activities outside of soccer, and other than meeting UEFA’s financial fair play rules seem to have little care for running a break even operation.  Clubs without such rich benefactors can do very little to keep up – see the much more popular and higher revenue United’s feeble attempts that led them to fall to third in TTV by 2010/11.  It is the use of such outside money that leads to accusations of Chelsea and City buying the titles they now have.  Perhaps “buying” is an imprecise term, as all clubs must buy and pay players to win one.  The more exact term would “financing the title with unsustainable debt and/or losses”.


Yes United used to spend money. Money that THEY made from their investments.
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2012, 10:37:04 AM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachslaton/2012/05/14/the-ultimate-triumph-of-the-benefactor-model/
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The Impact of the Benefactors

Most of the debate over “buying titles” tends to focus on one aspect of the economic side of the game over others.  Those hurling accusations of nefarious financial deeds often look at transfer spending, insinuating that certain clubs are actually buying the players they need to win the title.  Others look to wages to either make the case that one club is worse than the others, or that all clubs are spending relatively the same amount of money.  There are few sources that pull together the entire view of what clubs are spending on players.

One such online resource that takes such a complete view is the Transfer Price Index (TPI), a consortium of researchers (I am one of them) that utilize Graeme Riley’s excellent database that contains a record of every single transfer in the history of the English Premier League.  The database allows the TPI to construct models based upon the squad and starting XI costs in current day values of transfers using transfer-specific inflation factors from season to season.  This is the only publicly known database that is able to compare the cost of assembling each team in every Premier League season.  These models demonstrate that the value of a squad (Sq£) or starting XI (£XI) in terms of its total current transfer purchase price (CTPP) is highly correlated to success in the Premier League.

Recent discussions with Prof. Stephan Szymanski, one of the co-authors of Soccernomics, led to his generous sharing of the Premier League-era wage data subset from his far more extensive financial records that cover all four divisions of English soccer over a 40 year period.  The TPI team added those numbers to the existing transfer data to come up with a metric entitled total team valuation (TTV) that represents the total cost to assemble and pay a team over a given season.  Understanding the change in TTV allowed for the construction of inflation factors by season and the resultant current total team valuation (CTTV) in 2010/11 season pounds (the latest season for which data is available for all 20 Premier League teams).  As both the TPI and Soccernomics have explained, it’s not how much a team spends in absolute terms but rather how much it spends relative to the other clubs in the league that raises its likelihood of success.  Thus, what matters most is the values of multiple of median Sq£ (mSq£), multiple of median club wage bill, and multiple of median TTV (mTTV).

Whether or not Chelsea’s and Manchester City’s championships are the result of abnormal amounts of cash being spent on players and thus buying championships can be understood via an examination of the data behind the TTV model.




And the net point of the article can be summed up in this paragraph:
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To be very direct, Chelsea and Manchester City are built upon a foundation of money not found within the normal economic means of a soccer club.  These two teams are funded by owners who are rich due to their activities outside of soccer, and other than meeting UEFA’s financial fair play rules seem to have little care for running a break even operation.  Clubs without such rich benefactors can do very little to keep up – see the much more popular and higher revenue United’s feeble attempts that led them to fall to third in TTV by 2010/11.  It is the use of such outside money that leads to accusations of Chelsea and City buying the titles they now have.  Perhaps “buying” is an imprecise term, as all clubs must buy and pay players to win one.  The more exact term would “financing the title with unsustainable debt and/or losses”.


Yes United used to spend money. Money that THEY made from their investments.

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2012, 12:08:03 PM »
EPL for Sale  just 1 Billion.   :bs:

Name one team that win trophies without buying players, whether for $1 or $1 Billion.

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« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM »
they overdo d fackin thing and are part reason why the transfer market so frigged up..dey cant carve a history so i guess they hadda buy one..they still not makin a note in CL next year

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2012, 01:19:22 PM »
"Everybody expected City to win, but they did it against 10 men for half an hour and with five extra :rotfl: :rotfl: minutes to help them", Ferguson conceded afterwards

LOL  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2012, 01:42:46 PM »
All them millions spent to win on goal difference, Stueps.

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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2012, 02:23:23 PM »
All them millions spent to win on goal difference, Stueps.

And yes I sour like lime.

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2012, 02:54:43 PM »
"Everybody expected City to win, but they did it against 10 men for half an hour and with five extra :rotfl: :rotfl: minutes to help them", Ferguson conceded afterwards

LOL  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

Sour grapes?


Yuh know if Manchester United was to win a title like dat....de response woulda be different.
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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2012, 03:30:04 PM »
EPL for Sale  just 1 Billion.   :bs:

Name one team that win trophies without buying players, whether for $1 or $1 Billion.

This.


Professional football has always been for sale... especially on the continent.

Quite right.

 Di Stefano, Maradona, Messi, Dwight, Riva, Rivera, Cryff, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Pele,etc, etc. All these guys movements went hand in hand with big money. No money, no love. Look City deserve this title. I am a die-hard Manu fan since 67. That is 1967. Had they won the title I would have been scratching mi head and saying "God is ManU". They were 1 min. away from winning the title. City show the same tenacity that Manu has shown over the past 20 yrs. Maybe something from U is rubbing off on City. In addition City beat U twice. And quite convincingly.
I have always said a players is worth whatever a team is WILLING to pay for him. Economics 101. If you willing to pay a million dollars, even though the blue book value quote is half a million, then the price is 1 mil. Manu management will have to find money to get a couple players. Maninly mid-field and probably an additional striker and defender. ManU fans, we should be glad we in next year CL. There was a time only winners used to go to CL.

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« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2012, 04:04:01 PM »
And some of these same people does lamblast Wenger for not breaking open the piggy bank.
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« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »
All them millions spent to win on goal difference, Stueps.

And yes I sour like lime.

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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2012, 05:30:28 PM »
Let me add some life to this thread! lol







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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »
Big up meh boi Balotelli with the assists. ;) ;)

We all know if he only made a mistake yesterday that resulted in City losing the press would have had his head. Not a word about his assist.. :bs: :bs: :bs:

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« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2012, 06:11:26 PM »
Geh City dey time in de sun... well deserved(geez 42yrs???). Party hard, cause next the red devils will once again resume their rightful place in Manchester football lore. :beermug: :beermug:
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« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2012, 06:46:58 PM »
QPR play decent, Cissie still good sah, de man was happy for Nasri after de game.

Zamora eh play one single ball, he done.

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« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2012, 06:49:25 PM »
QPR play decent, Cissie still good sah, de man was happy for Nasri after de game.

Zamora eh play one single ball, he done.

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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2012, 06:59:47 PM »
Big up meh boi Balotelli with the assists. ;) ;)

We all know if he only made a mistake yesterday that resulted in City losing the press would have had his head. Not a word about his assist.. :bs: :bs: :bs:

  Ah was waiting to hear/see how much attention was going to be paid to that little desperate lil' pass he make to Aguero: Not much if any at all, but is no scene, I still glad fuh him....Balo time to shine go come and he will make lots of people hush they mouth.  the boy have talent to burn and he will mature and put a lot of the petty stuff behind him.


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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2012, 07:01:58 PM »
Manchester City's Carlos Tevez parades 'RIP Fergie' sign

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18067191



Manchester City have apologised after striker Carlos Tevez was pictured with a sign saying "RIP Fergie" during his side's Premier League title parade.

The former Manchester United forward poked fun at former boss Sir Alex Ferguson, as City paraded their trophy on an open-top bus through Manchester.

The sign was thought to refer to a 2009 response by Ferguson, when asked if United would ever be City's underdogs.

Ferguson said at the time: "Not in my lifetime".

A City spokeswoman said: "The creation of the tasteless material is in itself reprehensible and in accepting and brandishing it, Carlos has made a significant error of judgement.

"The club wishes to express its sincerest apologies to Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United Football Club for any offence or distress caused."
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Tevez, who left United in 2009 for City, said: "I got carried away in the excitement of the moment and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect to Sir Alex Ferguson, who I admire as a man and a manager."

The 28-year-old former Boca Juniors and Corinthians forward moved to English football in 2006, joining West Ham.

After helping them avoid relegation from the Premier League, he moved onto United, where he spent two seasons, winning two Premier League trophies and the Champions League. He scored 34 goals in 87 goals for the Red Devils.

But in the summer of 2009 he moved across Manchester to rivals City.

Tevez was top scorer in each of his first two years at Eastlands but this season was punctuated by a self-imposed spell back in Argentina after an argument with manager Roberto Mancini about his alleged refusal to warm up in a Champions League game with Bayern Munich.

Mancini had said Tevez would not feature for him again but brought him back in for the title run-in, with former City player Rodney Marsh saying: "Mancini will be sacked if Tevez plays and City don't win the title."

He impressed on his return to City, scoring four goals in 10 games, and featured in the final day win over QPR that clinched their maiden Premier League title.

And the striker has now said he could stay at the club months after it looked certain he would never play for City again.
         

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2012, 07:06:10 PM »
WTF is all this blasphemy ? posting Man City pics here ? look !!! :frustrated: :frustrated:
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« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2012, 07:56:56 PM »
Anyone but Man United I happy with to win the EPL.

Big up to Man City. They deserve it.

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« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2012, 06:48:42 AM »
I know that many Man Utd supporters are sour, but Man Utd only has itself to blame. The last ten minutes against Everton brought City back into the race, and then Utd lost to City the following week playing very cagily and did not respond well when 1-0 down in the match against City at the Etihad.

With all that said, City almost choked the title away and in a way, City have Joey Barton to thank for its first title in 44 years as his despicable behaviour resulted in the five additional minutes for City to score the goals needed.

City's defensive lapses proved that its players almost let the occasion get to them. As commentators have remarked, the first title is always the hardest, and for so many at City, that have had to wait forty-four years, winning this title would seem like the first time.
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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2012, 07:56:23 AM »
Manchester City's Carlos Tevez parades 'RIP Fergie' sign

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18067191



Manchester City have apologised after striker Carlos Tevez was pictured with a sign saying "RIP Fergie" during his side's Premier League title parade.

The former Manchester United forward poked fun at former boss Sir Alex Ferguson, as City paraded their trophy on an open-top bus through Manchester.

The sign was thought to refer to a 2009 response by Ferguson, when asked if United would ever be City's underdogs.

Ferguson said at the time: "Not in my lifetime".

A City spokeswoman said: "The creation of the tasteless material is in itself reprehensible and in accepting and brandishing it, Carlos has made a significant error of judgement.

"The club wishes to express its sincerest apologies to Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United Football Club for any offence or distress caused."
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Tevez, who left United in 2009 for City, said: "I got carried away in the excitement of the moment and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect to Sir Alex Ferguson, who I admire as a man and a manager."

The 28-year-old former Boca Juniors and Corinthians forward moved to English football in 2006, joining West Ham.

After helping them avoid relegation from the Premier League, he moved onto United, where he spent two seasons, winning two Premier League trophies and the Champions League. He scored 34 goals in 87 goals for the Red Devils.

But in the summer of 2009 he moved across Manchester to rivals City.

Tevez was top scorer in each of his first two years at Eastlands but this season was punctuated by a self-imposed spell back in Argentina after an argument with manager Roberto Mancini about his alleged refusal to warm up in a Champions League game with Bayern Munich.

Mancini had said Tevez would not feature for him again but brought him back in for the title run-in, with former City player Rodney Marsh saying: "Mancini will be sacked if Tevez plays and City don't win the title."

He impressed on his return to City, scoring four goals in 10 games, and featured in the final day win over QPR that clinched their maiden Premier League title.

And the striker has now said he could stay at the club months after it looked certain he would never play for City again.

Argentina news papers claims it is not Tevez in the Pic. Funny though.
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« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2012, 11:02:55 AM »
between Fergie and King Kenny http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hkchDf3doW8

This shit is hilarious... allyuh have to check out the other vid when Fergie call Kenny to congratulate him on winning the Carling Cup  :rotfl:

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« Reply #85 on: May 16, 2012, 06:28:44 AM »
Best fan reactions to Aguero's winner.

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« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2012, 07:55:07 AM »
People criticize Man City for buying a championship, but when yuh check their roster player for player, it eh no extraordinary roster - it's just a collection of above-average to very good players with some ordinary ones sprinkled in too...

Study their star players - Silva real talented but he still lives in the shadow of Spain's top midfielders, Valencia, Nasri unfulflied potential at Arsenal, Balotelli hot and cold - never really exploded, Aguero was a big fish in a relatively small pond - not fully proven, Dzeko - same thing...and the list goes on... Yaya Toure to me was the only fully proven big player they picked up IMO
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« Reply #87 on: May 16, 2012, 08:31:58 AM »
People criticize Man City for buying a championship, but when yuh check their roster player for player, it eh no extraordinary roster - it's just a collection of above-average to very good players with some ordinary ones sprinkled in too...

Study their star players - Silva real talented but he still lives in the shadow of Spain's top midfielders, Valencia, Nasri unfulflied potential at Arsenal, Balotelli hot and cold - never really exploded, Aguero was a big fish in a relatively small pond - not fully proven, Dzeko - same thing...and the list goes on... Yaya Toure to me was the only fully proven big player they picked up IMO

Disagree with this, you kinda downplaying the talent that City have at their disposal...

Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Tevez and Kompany are world class players and would probably demand a starting place on any top team save Barcelona. I actually have Yaya up there as one of the best midfielders in the world today, Kompany as one of the best defenders and Silva has been world class for most of the season until he lose steam coming down to the end.

Besides that Balotelli imo is a definite game changer, i think people have yet to see the best of him. When he is plugged in he can be unstoppable.

The roster might not be a collection of star names like a Real Madrid or Barcelona but still in terms of talent and depth, no team in the EPL can compare. Look around at other top 4 EPL team's rosters and no team has that kinda talent at their disposal. Man United have Rooney and Vidic then alot of good players, Arsenal have Van Persie, Spurs have Bale, Adebayor and Van Der  Vaart and Chelsea have Terry, Drogba, Lampard.
         

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Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2012, 08:50:48 AM »
People criticize Man City for buying a championship, but when yuh check their roster player for player, it eh no extraordinary roster - it's just a collection of above-average to very good players with some ordinary ones sprinkled in too...

Study their star players - Silva real talented but he still lives in the shadow of Spain's top midfielders, Valencia, Nasri unfulflied potential at Arsenal, Balotelli hot and cold - never really exploded, Aguero was a big fish in a relatively small pond - not fully proven, Dzeko - same thing...and the list goes on... Yaya Toure to me was the only fully proven big player they picked up IMO

 I think Tevez will take exception  ;D
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« Reply #89 on: May 16, 2012, 09:52:29 AM »
between Fergie and King Kenny http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hkchDf3doW8

This shit is hilarious... allyuh have to check out the other vid when Fergie call Kenny to congratulate him on winning the Carling Cup  :rotfl:

Tanx dan, I nearly f**kin dead when he say in manchester we call dat de mickey mooose cup :rotfl:

 

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