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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2011, 09:10:33 PM »
dis libya issue really dividing de right. de tea party against it, de old neocons for it.

some general mentioned in testimony to congress that ghadaffi forces outnumber de rebels by about 10 to 1. cyah find de link unfortunately but if it's true this rebel movement have some work to do.

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« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2011, 10:53:16 PM »
dis libya issue really dividing de right. de tea party against it, de old neocons for it.

some general mentioned in testimony to congress that ghadaffi forces outnumber de rebels by about 10 to 1. cyah find de link unfortunately but if it's true this rebel movement have some work to do.

i thought the rebels outnumbered ghaddafi?? (i remember hearing that on cnn international when the war first broke out) the only reason ghaddafi have the upper hand is because he have the weapons and aircraft. rebels have no organization whatsoever, but what can you do? the best they can do is shoot and hide.
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« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2011, 06:17:24 AM »
bakes, thanks for posting the clip.  :beermug:

well, this speech indicates he's backed away from his sentiment that "ghaddafi must go" (paraphrase) but for puzzling reasons. he spends the first part of the speech describing the atrocities of ghaddafi's forces then says something to the effect that de usa can't remove him because "the opposition" didn't ask for this. apparently it is enough to be in the "opposition" (i.e. an enemy of ghaddafi) to be vetted as worthy of calling the shots, forming the next libyan government, etc..

thing is gates and the national intel director figure ghaddafi will eventually win the civil war, even with the no-fly zone. so if the "opposition" comes back in a few weeks saying - you know what, take de muddersoandso out, then what? way too much authority is left in the hands of the "opposition". btw: de "opposition" eh organized at all - not even close to the level of egypt, etc..

another noteworthy point is how de prez conveniently conflates "interests" with "values". he lumps them together as if they are one and the same when they are different. in this case, there is no national interest (as gates has stated repeatedly) but there is a value to be defended. and de value that is being defended - roughly that america is not the type of country to stand by in the face of a massacre. *cough* *congo* *cough*. ah have a feeling that definition of massacre gorn change depending on who getting killed and who doing de killing.

anyway, canada get a pips while congress get blank. it seem like de UN is de new instrument of legitimacy. lets see how de funding situation go work out....

Generally, well said...
reading and a lil more attentive to the congolese issue.  Post bredda!!! :beermug:

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Re: Libyan Rebels.
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« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2011, 07:47:13 AM »
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done  :-\

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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2011, 08:24:12 AM »
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done  :-\

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« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2011, 06:20:13 PM »
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done  :-\

possibly by his own troops. he wasnt very well liked, from what i heard on cnn international.
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« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2011, 02:09:18 AM »
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done  :-\

possibly by his own troops. he wasnt very well liked, from what i heard on cnn international.

Just reading in the Washington Post that he was Ghaddaffi's top enforcer against dissidents for years, and that he was being summoned to rebel headquarters to answer to something or the other, but the escort patrol they send was from a rival tribe and they wipe him out and gone on de run instead.

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« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2011, 09:54:59 AM »
The difficulty involved in serving two differing masters simultaneously is well-accounted. The accounting involved in serving two differing masters consecutively is difficult.

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« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2011, 08:27:40 AM »
The difficulty involved in serving two differing masters simultaneously is well-accounted. The accounting involved in serving two differing masters consecutively is difficult.

dayam!! ah had to read this 3 times and still had to climb up and jump to ketch it
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« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2011, 01:28:18 PM »
The difficulty involved in serving two differing masters simultaneously is well-accounted. The accounting involved in serving two differing masters consecutively is difficult.

dayam!! ah had to read this 3 times and still had to climb up and jump to ketch it

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« Reply #101 on: August 21, 2011, 08:03:08 PM »
Gaddafi’s rule crumbling as rebels enter heart of Tripoli

By Thomas Erdbrink and Liz Sly, Updated: Sunday, August 21, 7:51 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/libyan-rebels-converging-on-tripoli/2011/08/21/gIQAbF3RUJ_story.html?hpid=z1


TRIPOLI — Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi’s four-decade-long rule over Libya was crumbling at breakneck speed Sunday as hundreds of rebel fighters swept toward the heart of Tripoli and dissidents said they had secured control of many parts of the capital.

With rebel leaders saying that Gaddafi’s compound was surrounded, that his son Saif al-Islam had been captured and that his presidential guard had surrendered, the six-month-old battle for control of Libya appeared to be hurtling toward a dramatic finale.

In an audio statement broadcast on state television late Sunday, Gaddafi made what came across as a desperate plea for support. “Go out and take your weapons,” the Libyan leader said in the brief broadcast. “All of you, there should be no fear.”

By late Sunday, rebel fighters had converged on the capital from four directions, and opposition flags were fluttering over buildings across the city. Thousands of people poured onto the streets in areas under rebel control to celebrate, stomping on posters of Gaddafi, setting off fireworks and honking horns, even in the symbolically significant Green Square in the heart of the city, previously the scene of near-daily pro-Gaddafi rallies.

With communications to the capital sporadic and some journalists confined to their hotel, reports of opposition gains within Tripoli could not be independently confirmed, and some experts cautioned that a tough urban battle may yet lie ahead between the lightly armed and untrained rebels and the elite government forces kept in reserve for the defense of the capital.

But reporters traveling with rebel forces said Gaddafi’s defenses were melting away faster than had been expected, with reports of entire units fleeing as rebels entered the capital from the south, east and west, and his supporters inside the city tearing off their uniforms, throwing down their weapons and attempting to blend into the population.

A Tripoli-based activist said the rebels had secured the seaport, where several hundred reinforcements for the opposition had arrived by boat, and were in the process of evicting Gaddafi loyalists from the Mitiga air base on the eastern edge of the city.

“The Gaddafi regime is clearly crumbling,” said a statement issued by NATO, whose five-month-old aerial bombing campaign, ostensibly launched to protect civilians, contributed enormously to the erosion of government defenses. A U.S. official in Washington who was monitoring the intelligence from Libya said that the situation in Tripoli was fluid but that Gaddafi and his hard-core loyalists did not appear likely to give up easily.

In the rebel capital, Benghazi, where huge crowds gathered to celebrate what they hoped was the imminent capture of Tripoli, Transitional National Council leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil announced that Gaddafi’s son Saif al-Islam had been captured.

There was no indication as to Gaddafi’s whereabouts, and he had issued a defiant speech earlier in the day in which he insisted he was in Tripoli and would not surrender. “We cannot go back until the last drop of our blood. We will defend the city. I am here with you,” he said in the audio statement, purportedly broadcast live. “Go on, go forward!”

But it appeared that his control had already unraveled as the rebels swept into the capital, encountering only pockets of resistance along the way.

After consolidating control of the strategic western town of Zawiyah on Thursday, the rebels pushed rapidly east throughout the day, capturing a major military base that was home to the Khamis Brigade, an elite force led by Khamis Gaddafi, one of the Libyan leader’s sons.

Exultant rebels seized weapons from the base and were seen carrying away boxes of brand-new Belgian munitions, as others raced by in trucks filled to the brim with other weaponry.

By nightfall, the rebel force had reached suburban Janzour, where witnesses said government forces had abandoned their posts earlier in the day. Residents took to the streets to cheer the rebels as they swept past in their pickups into the southern edges of the city.

At the same time, rebels advancing along the eastern coastal highway were reported to have linked up with opposition fighters in the strategically located eastern suburb of Tajura, long a stronghold of opposition to Gaddafi, effectively cutting off the capital.

In a late-night briefing for journalists confined to the Rixos hotel, government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said that at least 1,300 people had been killed since noon, in addition to 930 the previous day, and blamed NATO for the bloodshed. The figures could not be independently confirmed, and though rebels said there had been many deaths, they did not believe the number was that high.

The lightly armed opponents, who have spent months quietly organizing for this moment, were within a mile and a half of Gaddafi’s Bab al-Aziziya compound by Sunday night. They were hoping to launch an assault on the headquarters as soon as they link up with the rebel reinforcements arriving in the city, according to a rebel organizer who goes by the name Tony.

A rebel leader who asked to be identified as Haj said the Libyan independence flag, which has been adopted as the symbol of the opposition, was flying from numerous mosques, government buildings and a shopping mall in areas they had seized. He said fighters in the streets could be heard singing the rebel national anthem, the words “Oh, my country” floating through the streets amid the near-constant crackle of automatic fire.

Haj said he was confident that rebels could hold out at least another day until the rebel army arrives. “With the efforts of our revolutionary youths and our children, we will be able to make it through tonight,” he said.

He seemed unsure whether they would be able to last longer than that, however, and it was unclear what level of control the anti-Gaddafi forces exert in the neighborhoods they claim to have seized. The rebels said they have a good supply of Kalashnikovs, smuggled into the city covertly since the initial uprising was crushed in March, as well as 9mm pistols and homemade bombs. In Tajura, the opposition forces had seized a sizable quantity of weapons from a government unit that fled, according to Tony.

In Washington, the U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said: “The opposition is gaining ground and putting more pressure on the regime each day. When this translates into a tipping point and what the endgame will look like is hard to determine. Gaddafi isn’t sure what he’s going to do from one moment to the next.”

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said officials there are turning their attention to post-Gaddafi Libya. “Gaddafi’s days are clearly numbered,” she said. “If Gaddafi cared about the Libyan people, he would step down now.”
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« Reply #102 on: August 21, 2011, 08:07:13 PM »
people on the street partying already
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« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2011, 08:16:56 PM »
This is the problem with henchmen and mercenaries. Them fellas ent fighting for a cause, and once the situation change, all your "loyalists" seem to have melted away.
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« Reply #104 on: August 22, 2011, 06:11:13 PM »
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done  :-\

possibly by his own troops. he wasnt very well liked, from what i heard on cnn international.

Just reading in the Washington Post that he was Ghaddaffi's top enforcer against dissidents for years, and that he was being summoned to rebel headquarters to answer to something or the other, but the escort patrol they send was from a rival tribe and they wipe him out and gone on de run instead.

like de rebels knew a thing or two. de rebels real make mas after dey snap dis guy. well, de sooner this conflict ends de better.

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« Reply #105 on: August 23, 2011, 08:09:35 AM »
It look like they get setup.
The same man who they say they capture, on tv giving tours to journalists.

Heavy fighting in Tripoli now. Time for McCain to say how is Obama fault.
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« Reply #106 on: August 23, 2011, 08:37:56 AM »
It look like they get setup.
The same man who they say they capture, on tv giving tours to journalists.

Heavy fighting in Tripoli now.

doctor I shock when I see dat yes...real misinformation commin out da place

I cyah believe playin possum is a military tactic
Hopefully that country right its ship soon
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« Reply #107 on: August 23, 2011, 12:39:15 PM »
Rebels Overrun Gadhafi Compound
Fierce Street Fighting in Tripoli; Leader's Whereabouts Are Unknown
By CHARLES LEVINSON in Tripoli and MARGARET COKER in Tunis
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Libyans poured into streets surrounding Moammar Gadhafi's fortress-like compound in Tripoli on Tuesday, after rebels captured it following fierce street battles against forces loyal to the longtime leader.

Streets around the Bab al-Aziziya compound rang with mortars, heavy machine-guns and anti-aircraft guns throughout much of the day Tuesday as rebels took up positions around Col. Gadhafi's symbolic stronghold.

By late afternoon gunfire ceased and rebels and Tripoli residents poured onto the streets. An overpass about a half-mile from the complex, on which rebels had taken up position just an hour before, thronged with people.

The compound's green gates were blasted open and hundreds of rebels were pouring into the complex, the Associated Press reported, some driving golf carts as the area resounded with celebratory gunfire.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Col. Gadhafi or members of his immediate family were in the compound when it was breached by the rebels, but battle's ferocity led many to speculate that the longtime leader may have been inside.

The report that rebels were celebrating within the walls of Col. Gadhafi's symbolic stronghold came after two days of whipsawing reports out of the Libyan capital over what appears to be the final phase of Libyan rebels' six-month battle to oust the world's longest-tenured current ruler.

On Sunday, rebels swept into Col. Gadhafi's last stronghold city and the center of his nearly 42-year rule, and celebrated on the city's central Green Square. But battles continued Monday. Forces loyal to Col. Gadhafi conducted lightning strikes on rebels, several neighborhoods appeared to remain in the control of loyalist soldiers and residents spoke of snipers situated in several neighborhoods.

Throughout Tuesday, forces loyal to Col. Gadhafi continued to battle through Tripoli's densely populated neighborhoods, attacking and defending patches of territory across the seemingly divided capital.

Specific districts of Tripoli have become notorious for their antiregime protests during the six months of Libya's civil war, while other neighborhoods have remained forcibly allied with the leader—loyal men and families who owe their careers, tribal ties and social positions to Col. Gadhafi. These divisions have erupted in increasingly bloody street fighting that threaten a vacuum of power and a Balkanized break-up of this city of two million people.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, who represents rebel leadership as the deputy Libyan ambassador to the United Nations, confirmed rebels had taken the compound.

"Citizens are free to walk in there now," he said at a news conference at Libya's mission to the UN in New York. "We just have to take care of any explosives that may have been left in there."

He said he expected Col. Moammar Gadhafi, his family members and other high officials to be in hiding in the city's underground tunnels—built by the Libyan leader for security purposes in recent years, he said—or in private homes. He expressed confidence they would be captured "within 72 hours."

Taking Col. Gadhafi's complex, which has already been heavily damaged by North Atlantic Treaty Organization airstrikes, would mark one of the greatest symbolic victories for the rebels.

Arabic news channel Al Arabiya showed live footage of Libyans celebrating in front of the section of the compound that Col. Moammar Gadhafi used as a shrine to the 1986 U.S. bombing raid that failed to kill him.

On Tuesday afternoon, groups of young men dressed in T-shirts and jeans, climbed up the sculpture of a clenched fist holding a U.S. warplane that stands in a courtyard in front of the building. Other young men, some carrying AK-47 rifles, rampaged through the building, grabbing war souvenirs from inside.

Abdel-Aziz Shafiya, 19, walked down one of the main roads of the compound with a rocket-propelled grenade launcher in one hand and a Kalashnikov in another. The teenager, who is from the embattled city of Misrata, told the AP he felt "an explosion of joy inside."

"I lost friends and relatives and now I can walk into Gadhafi's house," he said. "Many of my friends have died and now all of that meant something."

Mahmoud Shammam, a Doha-base spokesman for the rebels' interim council, was more cautious.

"We don't know who is inside Bab al-Aziziya. We believe that there is someone there and that he is leading a fierce battle. It is a symbol. This is the final castle of Gadhafi," he told the AP.

The battle for Bab al-Azizya came hours after Col. Gadhafi's son and heir apparent dealt an embarrassing blow to rebels who had earlier claimed to have him in their custody.

Seif el-Islam appeared late Monday at a hotel where the government is housing foreign journalists in Tripoli. Speaking at an impromptu news conference, he denied rebel reports that he had been arrested over the weekend when the opposition army rushed into the capital. Both he and his father, who are wanted on charges of war crimes at the International Criminal Court, apparently remained at large Tuesday.

Gunmen loyal to the Libyan leader appeared to rally around Seif el-Islam's unexpected appearance, which marks a public relations debacle for the rebel leadership, who disseminated news of his arrest to Western allies.

In New York, Mr. Dabbashi said Seif al-Islam had been captured but was able to escape after he called members of his personal security. He said rebel fighters hadn't watched him closely enough and had been "over confident" about the security situation.

U.S. military officials said the U.S. believes the rebels control most of Tripoli but that the exact percentage under their control is unclear and is changing by the hour.

One senior U.S. military official put the share of Tripoli controlled by the rebels at 90% but said pockets of pro-Gadhafi resistance in densely populated areas made the outcome of the battle for the city "murky."

"The situation is fluid," said Col. David Lapan, the Pentagon's spokesman.

Officials said the Obama administration hopes within days to begin releasing some of the Gadhafi regime assets frozen by the U.S. since February. The frozen assets, totaling some $37 billion, are intended to be used to support Libyan government institutions and for reconstruction efforts, officials said.

In Dubai, U.S. and British diplomats huddled for another day with rebel representatives to put the finishing touches on a post-Gadhafi stability plan. Officials said the U.S. and its allies are advising the rebels on how to quickly restore basic government services and protect critical infrastructure, including oil assets.

NATO and European Union officials said Tuesday that while it was too early to declare victory in Libya, they had started talks on giving aid and unfreezing key Libyan assets in overseas banks.

"This is not over yet," Catherine Ashton, the EU's foreign policy chief, said at a press conference.

NATO is operating under a mandate from the United Nations, valid until Sept. 25, to protect Libyan civilians from the air and enforce an arms embargo. Its planes have flown some 20,000 sorties over the Northern African nation. NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said Tuesday that regardless of events in Libya, "there will not be boots on the ground" and the military coalition will follow the UN.

NATO ambassadors met Tuesday afternoon in private. Leaders from the EU, UN and Arab League will meet Friday in New York, said Mrs. Ashton.

Jubilation turned to uncertain disquiet late Monday in Libya's capital, with persistent reports of random shootings in the capital, with some pockets of outright fighting. Jeff Grocott has the latest on The News Hub.

While it is unclear how many Gadhafi loyalists are left in the capital, those fighting in the streets are most likely the ideologically honed irregular forces that the leader has used to quell internal dissent and protect his regime for years.

Residents say these government militias are conducting the fighting, along with members of Col. Gadhafi's elite military units that appear to be regrouping in Tripoli. The loyalists are now squaring off with hastily trained fighters from Tripoli's far-flung districts who fled the capital earlier this year and have been recruited as part of the rebel vanguard to take the capital.

The rebels started organizing the so-called Tripoli Brigades in early June, choosing men with strong family and social ties from the city and then training them in the remote Western Mountains, located some 160 kilometers (100 miles) from the capital.

Mohammed Abu Sbeaa, a 21-year-old fighter in the Hamer Brigade, named after Tripoli's pre-revolutionary parliament building, said he went through six weeks of training after joining the unit in mid-July. On the same day he showed up at the brigade's barracks, he was issued a uniform and given a soldier identification number. They started training immediately, he said.

Each morning they woke up at 5:30 a.m., went for a 45-minute run, followed by stretching and calisthenics, he said. That was followed by daily drills in marching and formations, which Mr. Sbeaa said was intended to transform civilians with no military experience into soldiers accustomed to taking orders and working with discipline.

"It got us used to listening to our commanders and put us in a military mind-set," he said.

The regime fighters still operating in Tripoli appear to be the well-trained paramilitary forces that comprised a parallel security structure in Col. Gadhafi's Libya and that have terrorized the capital while fighting has raged in other parts of the country.

Called "revolutionary committees," these irregular units have been the bastion of Col. Gadhafi's dictatorship over the past 40 years, existing parallel to the established military and the police. Their role has been to be both political commissars for the regime and security agents in local neighborhoods and districts. The members of these militias largely come from Col. Gadhafi's own clan, giving them great motivation to stick with the leader as his regime crumbles.

Recruitment into the revolutionary committees would take personal or family connections, and the men would be put through rigorous ideological tests. Under Col. Gadhafi's leadership, the rewards for service were immense: financial windfalls for lower-level committee members from the collection of security payments among neighborhood shopkeepers, and commercial partnerships for the commanders of these units.

Since the revolt in Libya erupted this spring, these armed revolutionary council militias have been deployed in heavy force across Tripoli. Brandishing automatic rifles, they screech through districts of the capital in Toyota Tundra pickup trucks, swarming day or night like through neighborhoods known for defiance of Col. Gadhafi.

Residents say these plain-clothes gunmen are responsible for many of the mass arrests that have occurred in Tripoli over the past six months. In February and March, they were blamed for shooting unarmed protesters and raiding hospitals full of wounded demonstrators, taking them from operating wards.

Over the past few days, these same militias have been battling armed locals with mounted heavy machine guns on their trucks, according to residents. Some have also set up defensive perimeters around regime-friendly districts, they said.

Col. Gadhafi seized power in a military coup in 1969. Over the past two decades, he has consciously pulled resources away from the regular army and invested in the revolutionary committees, as a way to mitigate the possibility of a coup against him, according to diplomats and former Libyan military advisers.

In many ways, Col. Gadhafi's mistrust of his military appears to have been well placed. This week, with his capital under threat, the head of his presidential guard signed a secret deal with the rebels and didn't deploy his men to fight, according to rebel commanders.

Meanwhile, the elite military brigade commanded by Col. Gadhafi's son Khamis pulled back from its defensive perimeter around Tripoli over the weekend, allowing the rebels to advance eastward into the capital.

The swift advance was a boon for the rebel-led Tripoli Brigade, whose fighters aren't very experienced. In their Western Mountains' training facility, recruits for the brigade attended afternoon classes on how to use the various weapons in the rebel arsenal, including AK-47 and FN assault rifles, heavy-caliber antiaircraft machine guns and antitank rockets. They also learned basic tactics, how to advance and retreat, and raid a building safely.

Their instructors were Libyan expatriates who had served in the Libyan military during its war with Chad in the 1980s. They fell out with Col. Gadhafi during the war and formed what is known as the Libyan Salvation Front, one of the oldest Libyan opposition groups. Many went to the U.S. in exile, and then returned to Libya after the uprising broke out in February, said Mr. Sbeaa, the rebel fighter.

Yussuf Mohammed, a senior coordinator for another Tripoli Brigade, the Qaqaa Brigade, said about 100 of his brigade's 600 fighters received an advanced three-week course in urban warfare tactics given by Qatari special forces.

When rebels in the Western Mountains attacked nearby Gadhafi-controlled villages in late July, the Tripoli brigades' fighters were dispatched to battle to give them a taste of real-life combat.

In mid-August the Tripoli Brigades were joined together under a single division commander.

When Zawiya, the coastal city 30 miles east of Tripoli, fell earlier this month, the Tripoli Brigades were deployed forward to a town closer to the capital, where they nervously awaited the orders to attack. Those orders came on Sunday, with Tripoli's Qaqaa Brigade spearheading the assault from Zawiya. Mr. Sbeaa's brigade saw action the following morning, pushing into the capital through the southern suburb of Azzizziya to establish a bridge head for the rebel forces in central Tripoli.

But within 90 minutes of setting up that new headquarters, they came under attack and had to relocate. By Tuesday morning, violent battles were engulfing Tripoli, in what many predict will be a drawn out protracted and bloody struggle.

—Adam Entous, Christopher Rhoads, John W. Miller, Leila Hatoum and Alan Cullison contributed to this article.
Write to Charles Levinson at charles.levinson@wsj.com and Margaret Coker at margaret.coker@wsj.com
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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #108 on: August 23, 2011, 01:40:43 PM »
Incredulous? Seif al-Islam would have been searched and patted down upon capture ... are we to believe that he managed to remain in possession of a cell phone? Negative. The rebels have been performing at least perfunctory searches of passing vehicles ... it's doubtful that they would miss a cell phone. What they could miss is a GPS type device ... but the downside of that is that would open Seif al-Islam to the unwanted attentions of other monitors. Beyond that, the use of a double shouldn't be discounted?

It's interesting that Libyan domestic TV (temporarily shut down) is now running off of a Damascus, Syria based channel.

Finally, it's likely not beyond the colonel to have convinced his security forces that he's on the premises whilst he's elsewhere as they defend him zealously.

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« Reply #109 on: August 23, 2011, 08:15:29 PM »
The journalists in the Rexos hotel are a bargaining chip in case things go awry.

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« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2011, 02:51:07 PM »
The journalists in the Rexos hotel are a bargaining chip in case things go awry.

Looks like the red cross getting them out

What is with middle eastern dictators and their obsession with golden AK-47

Even more funny is apparently ghadddafi use to be jockin regular to pics of Condi
http://www.buzzfeed.com/fjelstud/gaddafis-book-of-condoleezza-rice-pictures

ah tell allyuh she hot ;)
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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #111 on: August 25, 2011, 04:16:45 PM »
allyuh see the pictures of inside Ghaddafi place and the youth man deck out in one of Ghaddafi army dress uniform hat, a big gold chain and a gold scepter/fly swatter...

ain't no bling like a dictator bling oui.

find a link: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/libyan-rebel-steels-hat-gold-scepter-from-gaddafis-bedroom/
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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #112 on: February 08, 2014, 03:15:55 PM »
... and after all that drama, there's NOTHING to unify like football.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_rDgPcPof_0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/_rDgPcPof_0</a>

Imagine a country whose domestic league has been inactive for a period of time, wins this tournament. Players couldn't exit the plane for a hour due to the pandemonium.

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The crowning of Libya as African Nations CHAN Champions by beating Ghana on the first occasion the country has managed to win a major trophy in the international arena, boosts Libya’s hopes in the sport, but not only, at a time when it is most needed so close to the third anniversary of the February 17, 2011 Revolution and with the country still trying to find its feet in the world.

http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=3&i=10932

(The penalty kicks were comical).
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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #113 on: February 08, 2014, 06:02:04 PM »
... and after all that drama, there's NOTHING to unify like football.
http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=3&i=10932
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Yes!
Just look at Iraq since they won the AFC Asian Cup.
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« Reply #114 on: February 09, 2014, 02:57:40 AM »
Football can be quite a good political tool when capitalised on. The problem in Iraq is roughly the same in it's Eastern neighbours - it has a contentious position within hard-line Islamic scholarly thought. There's a great deal of resistance to the sport, seen to detract from prayer obligations (this has been true in some Christian countries in the past too, and sometimes sees backlash in Israel) and other activities seen more conducive to a child's growth. I think the attitude is slowly changing though, which is great for these countries.

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Re: Libyan Rebels.
« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2014, 09:45:31 AM »
With the 2 Libyan Prime Ministers and utter chaos (no security, police force etc); Crazy-men about to overrun Iraq...even looking back to scenes like the Iran contra...I am 100% convinced that it is fundamental US policy (regardless of president) to destabilize wherever possible every country in the world (with the exception of Israel, UK, Canada...a select few white nations).

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« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2014, 09:52:35 AM »
With the 2 Libyan Prime Ministers and utter chaos (no security, police force etc); Crazy-men about to overrun Iraq...even looking back to scenes like the Iran contra...I am 100% convinced that it is fundamental US policy (regardless of president) to destabilize wherever possible every country in the world (with the exception of Israel, UK, Canada...a select few white nations).

No!
Obama is weak.

Benghazi!
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« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2014, 10:26:44 AM »
With the 2 Libyan Prime Ministers and utter chaos (no security, police force etc); Crazy-men about to overrun Iraq...even looking back to scenes like the Iran contra...I am 100% convinced that it is fundamental US policy (regardless of president) to destabilize wherever possible every country in the world (with the exception of Israel, UK, Canada...a select few white nations).

Destabilized countries are no foreign country's benefit - makes it harder to secure oil contracts for american forms a brighter future for all Libyans

 

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