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"Shay" Seymour
« on: March 23, 2011, 07:26:11 PM »
hi folks
just watched the Andre Baptiste series with Shay Seymour... I know i did a similar post before about that TV series..so this may go to that thread....but can Tallman or any mods or anyone else for that matter shed some more info on Shay ???
a real gentleman on the show... I know some about him,..played in England etc..Bury FC, Poole Town and he said 5 to 7 clubs.

noted he kept saying ; "That sort of thing" in every 2 sentences...
played against Stanly Matthews ( Blackpool)...he scored..and they won...also against Stan Mortinson
only racists thing he recalls was a man in the stands shouting " mark the Darkie"
also played cricket in England
married a Swiss woman
returned to Trinidad when his wife died of cancer
got his coaching badges in UK
coached in UK... coached the nat west bank team
at a course in UK... he met Alvin Corneal for the first time
when he came back to tnt...he came with the intension to coach ...and got turned off forever watching a session where the players looked un interested...and said he could never tolerate non discipline...turned his back from football since that.

please shed some light....
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 07:56:39 PM »
from what I heard he use to kick the ball real hard (bullet)and de ball could have been at any height as long as his foot could connect was shot so he caught many keepers and defenders off guard.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011, 05:20:41 AM by royal »

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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 09:31:56 PM »
Heard a lot about him. They say he was real good. I thought he was a Colts guy. Could be wrong

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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 09:43:15 PM »
His name is Silbert
He from Belmont
Second player from T&T to play pro ball in England. De first was Alfred Charles.
Played for a club from Northern Ireland named Belfast Distillery
Inducted into Trinidad & Tobago's Sports Hall of Fame in 2008
Selected Yorke as the best all-time forward from T&T

at a course in UK... he met Alvin Corneal for the first time

Actually, he met Corneal for de first time in San Juan when Corneal was 13 years old, and he told Corneal dat he would play for de national team one day. After dat encounter, Corneal's nickname was "Shay".

Heard a lot about him. They say he was real good. I thought he was a Colts guy. Could be wrong

Yes, he played fuh Belmont Colts.
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2011, 11:06:17 AM »
good stuff Talls
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2011, 12:48:50 PM »
Here's some more to read up on him:
http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/taxonomy/term/400

http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/node/2481
from the Trinidad Guardian in 1954:

Trinidad players make bright debut in pro. football

Revelation that Frankie Worrell, great West Indies Test cricketer, was instrumental in getting Lancashire officials to sign Shay Seymour and Matthew Nunes as professional footballers, was made recently by Shay's brother, Vernon. Both boys made a bright debut in professional soccer playing for Bury's 'A' against Leek.

Shay's brother Vernon received a letter from Shay recently, and in it he tells how Frank Worrell had spoken highly of Shay and Matthew to Bury Club officials.

Shay said he and Matthew had satisfactory first-appearances for the Bury Club, and that they are settling down to life in England. The two players toured England with Trinidad's football team last year. Enroute to England they played to games in Jamaica.

Shay also sent photographs and newspaper clippings of articles about himself and Nunes.

One of these articles state that Worrell's recommendation of the two Trinidadians to Bury Club officials played a grand part in getting the boys signed.

Another tells about the successful debut of Nunes and Seymour in their first match for Bury's 'A' against Leek.

". . . Matthew Nunes, a clever inside-forward player and his Trinidad colleague, Silbert Seymour, had a fine debut for Bury today.

Nunes sent Seymour away with a good pass, and Seymour, a fast-hard-hitting centre-forward, slammed in a goal to give Bury a 1-0 lead at half time", the report said.

Nunes, his wife Lucille, their baby son, Phillip and Shay, who is unmarried, now live in Worrell's house in Radcliffe, and both are expected to play Lancashire League cricket during the summer.

Nunes told U.K. reporters that his—and Seymour's—chief concern is to get themselves acclimatised to English conditions quickly.

"If we can get acclimatised quickly, I think we will do well", he is quoted as saying.

Bury officials are reported to be "quite satisfied" with this showing of Nunes and Seymour, so far.

—Trinidad Guardian


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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 04:12:25 PM »
Guys, I was reading the history of TT football and I came across this tit-bit.


Date Published: 1967-04-23
Source: Appleton Post-Crescent
NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Generals of the National Professional Soccer League opened their home season in Yankee Stadium before 7,766 fans Saturday with a 2-1 conquest of the Chicago Spurs.

The game became extremely rough late in the second half and Chicago finished the contest with only 10 men after Nick Krat was put off for deliberately fouling Iris deBrito with three minutes to go.

Two players who joined the Generals only Friday were the scoring stars with Luis Menotti of Argentina getting the first New York goal at 14 minutes on a pass from Warren Archibald. The second General goal was scored 40 seconds into the second half on a pass from Archibald to Adilson Silveira of Brazil.

Willie Roy connected for the only Chicago goal at 82 minutes when he booted in a loose ball.

submitted: Mon, 2008-07-21 22:14 — ttfh


That is Argentina WC winning coach. So Archie did rub shoulder with greatness.

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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2011, 06:13:39 PM »
Guys, I was reading the history of TT football and I came across this tit-bit.


Date Published: 1967-04-23
Source: Appleton Post-Crescent
NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Generals of the National Professional Soccer League opened their home season in Yankee Stadium before 7,766 fans Saturday with a 2-1 conquest of the Chicago Spurs.

The game became extremely rough late in the second half and Chicago finished the contest with only 10 men after Nick Krat was put off for deliberately fouling Iris deBrito with three minutes to go.

Two players who joined the Generals only Friday were the scoring stars with Luis Menotti of Argentina getting the first New York goal at 14 minutes on a pass from Warren Archibald. The second General goal was scored 40 seconds into the second half on a pass from Archibald to Adilson Silveira of Brazil.

Willie Roy connected for the only Chicago goal at 82 minutes when he booted in a loose ball.

submitted: Mon, 2008-07-21 22:14 — ttfh


That is Argentina WC winning coach. So Archie did rub shoulder with greatness.

From all reports, it seems that the coach rub sholders with greatness
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2011, 05:14:48 AM »
good stuff....

another Old Timer i know well is Carlton " Squeakie" Hinds...  what a gentleman
I play golf with him sometimes.. and he was so surprised i know so much about tnt football history... good stories from the man
one day at the golf course...he came to me and said " This is for you"... it was a printed copy framed of a national team photo with him included..i will have to check the year...nice guy
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Shay Seymour dies
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2015, 09:04:32 AM »
Shay Seymour dies
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Another one of Trinidad and Tobago’s outstanding ex-footballers has died.

Shay Seymour, an outstanding forward of the 1950s died yesterday morning at the Port of Spain General Hospital after a short illness. He was 87.

Seymour who played for the Colts team popularly known as the  “Belmont Battalion” was a pioneer. He was part of the first Trinidad and Tobago team to play outside the Caribbean, on the 1953 tour of England.

In a squad that included a host of standout players of the era  like strikers Carlton “Squeaky” Hinds, Matthew Nunes, goalkeeper Pat Gomez, and defenders Doyle Griffith and Delbert Charleau, captained by Joseph Gonsalves, Seymour scored five goals, including in victories over Torquay United (4-0), and Cornwall FA (4-2). Seymour also found the net in the 2-2 and 1-1 draws against the FA Amateur XI and Cornwall FA and the 2-1 defeat against Barnstaple Town.

Described as an outstanding dribbler and reader of the game, Seymour was also the second player from T&T to play professionally in England. And in 2008, was inducted into the Sports Hall of Fame.

Vice-president of the Veteran Footballers Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago (VFFOTT) Selby Browne said the organisation received the news of Seymour’s with sadness and “extend our condolences to his wife and family, the past footballers and all members of the football fraternity.”
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2015, 01:21:33 PM »
Condolences to the  Seymour family. I heard lot's of good stuff about him. He lived his dream. Rest In Peace. I wonder if he is related to carl Seymour. Rugby player from QRC.

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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 02:56:24 AM »
The Shay Seymour that I knew
By Alvin Corneal (Guardian).


To today’s football lover, the name of Shay Seymour may mean nothing, mainly because we tend to desist from remembering our past sports legends.

I was fortunate to meet this dapper little centre forward, who scored goals which only appeared to have a ten percent chance of success.

One day in September of 1952, the Strollers Sports Club had invited the famous Colts club of Belmont to a friendly at the Aranguez Savannah. This team consisted some of the finest players in the land, namely Seymour, Len Leggard, Leon Munroe, and Horace Lovelace, all national players in the fifties.

This is where I had the honour of not only meeting Shay, but I was chosen as a thirteen year old member of the club to play against this wonderful team. I was in awe to see the agility, speed and fearlessness of this talented sportsman.

Seymour who was 87 when he passed last week, started my thirst of being a national player when he said to me after the match, that I would one day wear his shirt in our national team.

As a thirteen year old, I had the opportunity to see him play in a North vs South Red Cross trophy at the Queen’s Park Savannah when the southerners were convincingly defeated by North. Shay scored in that match.

In 1953, T&T, being a colony of Great Britain, travelled to England for the first ever national team tour, giving Shay the opportunity not only to play a number of matches in the United Kingdom where he scored five goals, but to become one of the first two locals to be offered a professional contract in England.

He signed up for the Weymouth FC and was very successful in his venture, where he played for three years.

Few Trinis were aware that Shay was also an extremely good cricketer, which was proven when he represented the company with which he worked in England and scored numerous centuries. I met Shay again when I was a member of the first ever West Indies Football team that toured the UK in 1959.

He attended some of our matches and I had the opportunity to remind him of the statement he made to me seven years before.

We then became very friendly and during my stints as a professional cricketer in England, he followed the team to witness some of the matches.

Ten years later in 1969, we attended the same English FA preliminary Coaching course at Exeter University, which offered to me an insight into the vast knowledge of this legendary sports personality and Hall of Famer.

Today, Shay Seymour is no more and it is regrettable that history may not have been adequately recorded on his sporting exploits for many years which spanned from the streets of Belmont, Port-of-Spain, through to the various counties of the United Kingdom for decades.

It is my sincere hope that Shay Seymour’s success can be shared by all the citizens of this country. One of my heroes has passed on. To the family of Shay, the sporting community will mourn his loss and send condolences to his family. May he Rest in Peace.

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Remembering Shay Seymour
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2015, 08:14:15 PM »
Remembering Shay Seymour
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Last week, I had cause to attend the funeral of the late Shay Seymour. That might be a name that many of you reading this might not have heard before, or if you have, may know very little about.

Not being a child of the 1950’s myself, I have also had to rely on word of mouth to learn about the man who was a standout in local football and pioneer in his time. I draw his death to your attention, to emphasise again, that yearly, the country loses people who have excelled in their own way, but whose work in whatever sphere is often forgotten and does not become the learning tool that it can be for future generations.

So I thought today, we all could learn a little bit more about Shay Seymour from someone who knew a bit  about him, Selby Browne, vice-president of the Veteran Footballers Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago, (VFFOTT).

Below, because constraints of space, is an abridged version of the tribute he delivered at the funeral service. Read it and learn.
 
This morning, I have the honour to pay tribute to our own Lionel Sylbert “Shay” Seymour for the life of devotion, commitment, passion and love, manifestly displayed throughout a period spanning more than eight decades.

“Shay” was a football pioneer, an icon, a legend, who represented Trinidad and Tobago football in an outstanding manner as a professional footballer in England in the early 1950’s.

He began to display his love for football at an early age with his elder brothers at the Belmont RC Primary School, and like most youngsters, in the Sunday morning football leagues at the Queens Park Savannah before joining his beloved Colts Football Club as a teenager with his friends like Jason Griffith, popular leader of the Carnival sailor band. Colts commonly referred to as the “Belmont Battalion,” was the club he served steadfastly with his team mates, who included: Jim Harding, Horace Lovelace, Len Leggard, Dudley Husbands, Vince Duverney, Len Munroe, Carlton Francis and several other stalwarts, at a time when football in Port of Spain was more important than sittings of the Legislative Counsel at that time, which was the forerunner of the Trinidad and Tobago Parliament today.

It was a time when the houses in Belmont and East Dry River were empty for two hours on an afternoon, when residents took up occupancy at the Savannah to support their community club Colts versus Maple or Malvern, Casuals, Shamrock, Notre Dame or Queens Royal College.

It was the skill, dedication and healthy competitiveness of “Shay” and his teammates that brought thousands to witness the high standard of football in Trinidad and Tobago. During the period of the 1940s and 50s saw Colts in the Trinidad Amateur Football Association (TAFA) competing fiercely for trophies that included the FA and BDV (Best Dark Virginia Cup). Victory brought the band on the road, leaving the Queens Park Savannah into Belmont via Cadiz Road with their heroes on held up on shoulders, clearly with the permission of the Constabulary.

In 1953 the TAFA arranged a tour to England when the best footballers in Trinidad and Tobago were selected, and it was on that occasion that Shay Seymour shone brightest along with his teammates.

Permit me to call some of the names: Mathew Nunes, Carlton „Squeakie” Hinds, Carlton „Putty” Lewis, Horace Lovelace, Delbert Charleau, Doyle Griffith, Allan Joseph, John Atwell, Conrad Brathwaite, Syl Dopson, Gerry Parsons, Pat Gomes, Ian Seale, Rex Burnett, Robert Hamel Smith and Joey Gonsalves, goalkeeper and captain, with their coach the legendary Geoff Chambers, who unfortunately was unable to travel with the team.

The team gave a great account of themselves, winning at least three matches and drawing one. The performance on the tour resulted in “Shay” being offered a contract in Manchester to play professionally for a Lancashire Club, the Bury Football Club.

“Shay” along with Mathew Nunes were in fact recommended by none other than Sir Frank Worrell, then playing cricket for both Radcliffe and West Indies. Facts are, Sir Frank also played great football himself. “Shay” and Mathew spent their first winter at an apartment on Ulundi Street, Radcliffe, arranged by Sir Frank.

“Shay” went on to play for several other professional clubs,  including Poole Town Football Club.

The records confirm that prior to professional contracts in England for Shay Seymour and Mathew Nunes in 1953, one of the Charles brothers, Alfred Charles of the Port of Spain Club, Everton, played professionally in England in the 1930s.

Today, it is our turn to remember “Shay” who was truly a Trinidad and Tobago football pioneer and outstanding contributor, an Icon, a legend.

Having played cricket with success in Trinidad, “Shay” continued his cricket while in England where he was also renowned for his prowess, being highly recognised while representing Clubs such as Bournemouth Cricket Club. He was also captain of the Westmoors Cricket Club.

On his return to Trinidad, “Shay” gave back to his juniors by bringing his vast experience, knowledge and excellent strategic football planning, along with a keen sense of player’s capabilities and weaknesses and his moral fabric, to mold and shape boys into men.

As a member of VFFOTT, “Shay” attended several VFFOTT functions and events starting with our launch in July 2008 in front the Grand Stand, Queens Park Savannah to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of Football in Trinidad and Tobago. He also attended many VFFOTT Sunday sessions at the Barataria Sports Complex, but was unable to attend this year at the Carnival Reunion Lime held on Sunday 14 February.

VFFOTT members and all past footballers remember his fierce competitive winning spirit, his love for the game, after-match camaraderie, and advice to younger players.

We thank his wife, Jessica, with whom he lived until his passing last Saturday 28 February 2015, for her patience and caring for him.

“Shay” was a man of integrity, moral fabric and a gentleman. He was as an exemplar, his God was his guide, and his most discerning quality was his humility, for which we are all the better for having benefited from meeting him in this part of God’s creation.
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Re: "Shay" Seymour
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 03:00:03 AM »
I saw the Andre Baptiste interview just a few days ago. I was just flicking channels.

I was a little vex to miss so much.
He seemed to ramble a bit perhaps due to his age.
However at the end he said his most memorable moment in football wasn't for the national team but in North vs South. South were down 3-0 at the half. He scored the equaliser as they won 5-3 in the second half.

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