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Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team



    FIFA Vice president Jack Warner with England’s David Beckham after the soccer clinic
    Jack Warner with David Beckham after a football clinic in Port of Spain in 2008 Michael Regan/Action Images
    President of CONCACAF and FIFA Vice President Jack Warner (L) and FA Chairman Lord Triesman
    Mr Warner with Lord Triesman, the FA chairman, in 2009 Frances Leader/Action Images

Owen Slot Chief Sports Reporter
Last updated April 11 2011 12:01AM

The leaders of England’s failed bid to host the 2018 World Cup were asked by one of Fifa’s most senior figures to pay for an education centre while negotiations were in progress, they have told The Times.

Jack Warner, the vice-president of football’s governing body, is said to have suggested the move during talks with Lord Triesman and Sir Dave Richards, then chairman and deputy chairman of England 2018.

They say that Mr Warner, who is president of the confederation that represents the Caribbean and north and central Americas, proposed that they pay for the facility in Trinidad and Tobago.

Lord Triesman and Sir Dave, two of the most senior administrators in English football at the time, have both confirmed details of the meeting at a hotel in Chelsea 18 months ago.

They said that their answer was a very swift “no”, realising that what Mr Warner was asking could leave them open to censure for breaching Fifa rules. Bidding nations are prohibited from offering gifts or other advantages to delegates.

Lord Triesman, who was also chairman of the Football Association at the time, has confirmed that the request was made within the context of a discussion about Mr Warner’s attitude to and his view of England 2018’s chances of success. Their answer, he said, was: “It was absolutely out of the question.”

However, when The Times put the claim to Mr Warner, he claimed that the meeting had never happened. “It is total nonsense and a fabrication,” he said. “I do not know what you are talking about.”

Mr Warner was one of the most influential figures on the Fifa executive committee that voted in Zurich in December on the destination of the 2018 World Cup. Owing to his position at Concacaf (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football), he was seen to be controlling three of the twenty-two votes.

His backing was always thought to be crucial if England 2018’s bid was to have any chance of success. The meeting took place on October 7, 2009, in the business lounge of the Wyndham Grand hotel in Chelsea Harbour, where Mr Warner had been staying.

The men met in the late afternoon, after the first day of the Leaders in Football conference at Stamford Bridge. Mr Warner had been a conference speaker earlier in the day, and had also been publicly vocal in his criticism of the England bid, calling it “lightweight”.

Later, Lord Triesman and Sir Dave shared a taxi to the Wyndham Grand. They say it was then, over drinks, that Mr Warner asked for funds to build the education centre.

Sir Dave told The Times: “He didn’t say: ‘Do this and I’ll vote for you.’ But it was always at the back of my mind. I did nod my head at Triesman as if to say: Let’s not get into this.

“What he said was England should be building this kind of education block as a legacy throughout the world. He did say Trinidad and Tobago wanted one. He said it was an education set-up that he wanted for the children of Trinidad and Tobago.”

Sir Dave confirmed that he wanted no part of the discussion. “Look, I’ve heard these stories before so I wasn’t going to get into that. I never discussed this with the chairman of the FA again. I didn’t want to get involved in that sort of thing. I don’t know if the FA took it any further.”

Mr Warner insisted that nothing of the sort ever took place and even appeared not to know Lord Triesman’s name. “It is bullshit,” he said. “I don’t know what you are talking about. Why should I ask David Freestone [sic] or somebody for some offices here? Why should I? To do what? It doesn’t make sense.

“You guys are trying to dig up so much garbage. I say to you: you write what you want to write. It is bullshit.”

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 05:22:38 AM »
Looks like Chaguanas getting an Education Centre soon. Might be in Russian instead of English, that's all.
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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 05:36:23 AM »
with all dis and we turn a blind eye and let this man run de country.heaven help us when all fall down.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 07:39:24 AM »
To be honest, this is how business works. If you can get a little something extra, then why not? If you buy a house you say "if you leave the garden shed, we have a deal" If you buy a car, you say "throw in a fresh set of tyres and we can do business"

My problem with this is two fold. If they had said yes, they would have just handed over a cheque and therefore, maybe no education centre would be built, or at least, lets say some money would not have reached and, secondly it could be felt that the CONCACAF President was using his position in CONCACAF to further his political career in T&T. Why wouldn't CONCACAF want an education centre in Mexico, where, arguably, there is more need with a greater population? 

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 08:23:22 AM »
To be honest, this is how business works. If you can get a little something extra, then why not? If you buy a house you say "if you leave the garden shed, we have a deal" If you buy a car, you say "throw in a fresh set of tyres and we can do business"

My problem with this is two fold. If they had said yes, they would have just handed over a cheque and therefore, maybe no education centre would be built, or at least, lets say some money would not have reached and, secondly it could be felt that the CONCACAF President was using his position in CONCACAF to further his political career in T&T. Why wouldn't CONCACAF want an education centre in Mexico, where, arguably, there is more need with a greater population? 

...apples and oranges.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 08:26:22 AM »
To be honest, this is how business works. If you can get a little something extra, then why not? If you buy a house you say "if you leave the garden shed, we have a deal" If you buy a car, you say "throw in a fresh set of tyres and we can do business"

FIFA WC bidding isn't supposed to be business though.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 09:02:54 AM »
To be honest, this is how business works. If you can get a little something extra, then why not? If you buy a house you say "if you leave the garden shed, we have a deal" If you buy a car, you say "throw in a fresh set of tyres and we can do business"

There's a difference between negotiations (of the type you mention here) and bribery.  Prospective host countries aren't expected to "negotiate" with the selection committee, nor is the selection committee expected/allowed to solicit anything other than a fair, open and OFFICIAL bid.  Bidding is what it is, submission of a proposal for consideration... a quid pro quo isn't supposed to be part of the process.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 09:11:14 AM »
My question is, how does this differ from this: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=48439.0  ???

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 11:45:13 AM »
My question is, how does this differ from this: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=48439.0  ???

Exactly. Although Bakes is quite correct in his explanation, my point is that there is a vast difference between what should happen and what does happen. As previously noted, World cups are now only given to nations who need to build at least several new stadiums and the contracts are awarded by FIFA. So while I agree with you, Bakes, the reality is that like Red traffic lights in T&T, there are rules that are expected to be broken. Until FIFA completely cleans up its act, these backdoor deals will continue.

As previously mentioned, there will probably be a Russian education facility in St Augustine real soon.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 12:14:53 PM »
My question is, how does this differ from this: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=48439.0  ???

one was offered and one was requested?

is like de difference beetween beggin yuh ole pensioner granmother for money or she just ups & decide to give yuh money in ah birthday card

one does appear wuss than the other
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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 12:43:24 PM »
My question is, how does this differ from this: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=48439.0  ???

ah suppose dais de end of that.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 01:01:37 PM »
My question is, how does this differ from this: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=48439.0  ???

Here is the difference... whatever a prospective host FA wants to do out of the largesse of their hearts (even if we know it's pretextual) they are free to do it.  To have a FIFA bid Committee member request it carries the inference that acquiescence to the request is necessary to secure a favorable vote by said Committee member.  One is plausible innocent/legal... the other is clearly unethical.


Football Supporter... I also agree with you that much needs to be done by FIFA before any future issues like this goes away.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 01:12:25 PM »
 :rotfl: :rotfl: Tell them Jack they digging up garbage,i'm glad you are prepared for what ever they find and can handle them.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 01:21:45 PM »
Personally, I am happy if these are the kind of bribes Jack is interested in nowadays. Keep it up Jack  :thumbsup:

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 07:09:08 PM »
When is a favor a bride or vice versa. Our country just elected a new government on the premise of cleaning up the mess the old government left due to the bribes and scandals. Here we have a government minister do the same and we are saying, "way to go jack". That is how things are done. The end justifies the means. Right on.

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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 07:13:15 PM »
Andd now 4 d news....
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Re: Fifa chief wanted ‘favour’ from World Cup bid team (The Times)
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 04:54:42 AM »
Warner denies ex-FA chairman's claim.
T&T Express Reports.


The former chairman and deputy chairman of England's failed 2018 World Cup bid have claimed they refused a request from FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to fund the construction of an education centre in his native Trinidad, the Daily Mail reported yesterday.

Lord Triesman, who was chairman of the bid as well as the Football Association (FA) at the time of the meeting in October 2009, and the bid's deputy chairman at the time Sir Dave Richards, said they met with Warner at a London hotel where the question was asked.

Warner, who as president of the North and Central American confederation CONCACAF was seen as being in control of three votes on the FIFA executive committee, denies that the meeting ever took place.

Triesman said Warner's request was dismissed as being "out of the question". Rules on tournament bidding do not allow bid officials to offer gifts or other advantages to delegates.

Richards told the Times: "He (Warner) didn't say: 'Do this and I'll vote for you'. But it was always at the back of my mind. I did nod my head at Triesman as if to say 'let's not get into this'.

"It was an education project that he wanted to build, and he wanted someone else to fund it.

"What he said was England should be building this kind of education block as a legacy throughout the world. He did say Trinidad and Tobago wanted one. He said it was an education set-up that he wanted for the children of Trinidad and Tobago.

"I never discussed this with the chairman of the FA again. I didn't want to get involved in that sort of thing. I don't know if the FA took it any further."

Warner dismissed the duo's claims as "b*******" when they were put to him by The Times.

Last year the Sunday Times newspaper led an investigation which resulted in the suspension of FIFA executive committee members Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii for three years and one year, respectively, who were found guilty of breaching FIFA rules after they asked for cash from undercover reporters in return for their votes.
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