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Trying it the German way
« on: April 16, 2011, 07:57:09 AM »
Trying it the German way
By Alvin Corneal (T&T Guardian)


Otto Pfister is not the first German coach to accept coaching jobs in this country. The first was the world famous Dettmar Kramer, whose one-year stint in T&T left those of us who played in those days with a number of productive ideas, technically and tactically.

The second was Jochen Figge, a man whose dedication to his job was exemplary. He was prepared to give his all to the improvement to the team, but his efforts were not appreciated at the time.

Pfister is a seasoned professional, who has been exposed to countries in almost every continent, some of which he carried to World Cup Finals.

There is one significant aspect of the Germans—they are non compromisers when it comes to getting the job done without interference from anyone.

He will be the first to tell you that there is no guaranteed pathway to the finals in Brazil but he will define some formula whereby a cadre of players with strong attitudinal principles, complete commitment, and the level of football understanding which will achieve the desired result.

It is true to imply that we are starting behind the eight ball. If we throw our minds back to the months between the end of the South Africa 2010 Finals and the present time, searching for a jump start to our programme will need some speculation from all comers.

Like most of the foreign coaches, their first choice is always to go in search of the foreign-based players, mainly those in Europe.

Pfister has gone one step further and that is to float around England with the hope of convincing players, born of Trinidad parentage, to join our team in the battle to Brazil.

Names keep being dropped from all areas. The one that comes readily to mind is Bobby Zamora, the forward who gave the impression during the run up to the last World Cup that he was interested but seemed more intent on waiting to see whether or not England would select him.

He then claimed to be injured when we lost two crucial matches which gave us little or no hope of making it to South Africa. Jlloyd Samuel tried his hand and had actually done well at left wing back, until incompetence by the management team caused him to be running to the airport in England looking for a plane ticket that was never collected.

What is very amazing is the fact that all the foreign players who are contracted to any club, whether it is English Premier League, Championship Division or even lower divisions are finding ways to get their names accompanied by comments of being interested so that the coach will visit them and persuade them to join the national squad.

I suppose that the reason for this approach is because every coach knows that players will not be tolerated if they are not performing well, neither will they be allowed to demonstrate any form of dumb insolence without being shown the front door of the club.

The local pro league clubs are desperately tossing players to any possible club in Europe, whether it is second, third division, or lower leagues in places like Uzbekistan and other similar countries. The purpose is clearly to obtain some transfer fees for the club and maybe open the eyes of a coach or two.

What is funny is that players who leave here for England are aware that some of them do not have the number of international caps to earn a work permit, yet still these clubs keep sending these youngsters to return home disappointed.

The 73-year-old German is not yet exposed to the attitude of many of our players, their behaviour on and off the field and the severe lack of understanding of the game.

He may be shocked over the inability of national players to have competence in ball control, passing, running into space and most certainly keeping shape. A close look at the Under-23 squad could be a good start, especially with the Olympic qualifying series taking place shortly.

If he follows the expansive sheet of names all across the world who are eligible to represent T&T, he will find players like Darryl Roberts in Turkey (First Division Club), Khaleem Hyland (Belgium Club), Kenwyne Jones, who will surely be a candidate to lead the team, Carlos Edwards whose performances in the Championship Division are not comparable to what he was capable of five years ago, Samuel, Jake Thomson, and the Hoyte brothers Gavin and Justin.

In the Major League Soccer (MLS), the names of Keon Daniel of Philadelphia, Julius James of Dallas, Kendall Jadgeosingh at the Rhinos, Chris Birchall of LA Galaxy, Devorn Jorsling formerly of Defence force and Kevin Molino are some, who will attract the attention of the new coach.

Unfortunately, there is nothing much at home who will demand places in the squad, other than the current goalkeepers Marvin Phillip, Jan-Michael Williams, Ataullah Guerra, Hughtun Hector, Cleon John, Carlyle Mitchell and probably Akeem Adams.

The beginning of the road to Brazil is tantamount to a four furlong horse race where T&T is left at the gate for a few hundred metres with odds of 95-1, and no practice gallops to provide any evidence of ability or form.

The other “horses” have been going after challenges in a number of races with fair success and they will also engage in the Gold Cup races before their final two rounds to Brazil.

This is where the German’s experience will have to take us through the shortcuts to the winning pole. We have lost ten months, a problem which cannot be ignored.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2011, 08:21:49 AM by Flex »
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Re: Trying it the German way
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 08:02:42 AM »
looks like Corneal pick the team already....

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Unfortunately, there is nothing much at home who will demand places in the squad
ent youh son responsible for developing players?

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 08:19:13 AM »
Nice read Alvin!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 08:27:32 AM »
If he follows the expansive sheet of names all across the world who are eligible to represent T&T, he will find players like Darryl Roberts in Turkey (First Division Club), Khaleem Hyland (Belgium Club), Kenwyne Jones, who will surely be a candidate to lead the team, Carlos Edwards whose performances in the Championship Division are not comparable to what he was capable of five years ago, Samuel, Jake Thomson, and the Hoyte brothers Gavin and Justin. In the Major League Soccer (MLS), the names of Keon Daniel of Philadelphia, Julius James of Dallas, Kendall Jadgeosingh at the Rhinos, Chris Birchall of LA Galaxy, Devon Jorsling formerly of Defence force and Kevin Molino are some, who will attract the attention of the new coach.

From all reports, Carlos has been doing extremely well this season in his new right-back position. Julius is not playing for, and has never played for FC Dallas. He is playing for Columbus Crew.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 09:21:02 AM »
Appsss look how d mark buss...Thanks ALvin


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Jlloyd Samuel tried his hand and had actually done well at left wing back, until incompetence by the management team caused him to be running to the airport in England looking for a plane ticket that was never collected.

And a certain man wondering why he ent get a call or text yet   :devil:


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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 09:55:53 AM »
Alvin forget to mention German coach Rudi Guttendof who was in T&T in 1976.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 10:58:09 AM »
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(Zamora) then claimed to be injured when we lost two crucial matches which gave us little or no hope of making it to South Africa. Jlloyd Samuel tried his hand and had actually done well at left wing back, until incompetence by the management team caused him to be running to the airport in England looking for a plane ticket that was never collected.

Zamora must have "claimed" he was too injured to play for Fullham as well... seeing that he missed their next two games after that call up  ::)  Also, Jlloyd have reason to be upset over the ticket fiasco but Zamora doesn't right?  After all, Zamora went and get he ticket and deliberately decide tuh stay in England... jackass.


I see Tallman done sort out the the senile confusion between "Houston" and "Dallas"... is all Texas man, who keeping score?

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 11:08:32 AM »
I see Tallman done sort out the the senile confusion between "Houston" and "Dallas"... is all Texas man, who keeping score?

Not to mention dat Julius leave Houston since August 2009.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 03:14:51 PM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

Jack warner is a crook?  That is news to me and I am sure all here.  There is no way Jack is involved in any tiefing??? Show me the proof coache, this is shocking......

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 05:56:29 PM »
looks like Corneal pick the team already....

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Unfortunately, there is nothing much at home who will demand places in the squad
ent youh son responsible for developing players?

So what is your opinion of the article otherwise, MEP? Anything of merit?

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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 08:46:14 PM »
To much vasser on here
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 11:01:23 PM »
Whethe German/Dutch or Honduran Anton could fit in. Talk bout a talented fella.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 11:57:50 PM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

Jack warner is a crook?  That is news to me and I am sure all here.  There is no way Jack is involved in any tiefing??? Show me the proof coache, this is shocking......

I aLMOST collaspse on hearing that and just now managing to catch myself as well!
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 03:57:16 PM »
Cornmeal also forgot about Bernard Zgol, who a had a short stint as coach in early 1992.

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2011, 06:28:31 PM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

U really think that Otto came to Trinidad for a change of scenery? U are thinkin like de typical third world man! That is why u cannot comprehend what actually drives this man for all these years! Working here is a challenge!!

Free mins? Air travel? steups!! Are u serious?

Whats wrong with him looking for players of Trinidadian parentage?  No one complained about Shaka or Birchall? Why not a couple more if they are committed to the cause?  Also, they have a right to be Trinidadian!!

Jake Thomson can basically walk into our national team, and he could barely start for a League One side. That says alot about our talent pool!! And u want us to compete against Mexico (G. dos Santos, C. Vela and J. Hernandez)?

Let the blasted man do his facking job!! Becuz if things take an upward turn, you will be one ah de first people to paint dey face red, white and black and scream "We goin Brazil"..............Jack Warner or NOT!!

I cannot do anything about Warner and neither can u! So lets just support our German coach and hope that we can have a functional and competitive national football team against all the odds!

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Re: Trying it the German way
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 09:21:34 PM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

U really think that Otto came to Trinidad for a change of scenery? U are thinkin like de typical third world man! That is why u cannot comprehend what actually drives this man for all these years! Working here is a challenge!!

Free mins? Air travel? steups!! Are u serious?

Whats wrong with him looking for players of Trinidadian parentage?  No one complained about Shaka or Birchall? Why not a couple more if they are committed to the cause?  Also, they have a right to be Trinidadian!!

Jake Thomson can basically walk into our national team, and he could barely start for a League One side. That says alot about our talent pool!! And u want us to compete against Mexico (G. dos Santos, C. Vela and J. Hernandez)?

Let the blasted man do his facking job!! Becuz if things take an upward turn, you will be one ah de first people to paint dey face red, white and black and scream "We goin Brazil"..............Jack Warner or NOT!!

I cannot do anything about Warner and neither can u! So lets just support our German coach and hope that we can have a functional and competitive national football team against all the odds!

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Re: Trying it the German way
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2011, 09:45:47 PM »
looks like Corneal pick the team already....

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Unfortunately, there is nothing much at home who will demand places in the squad
ent youh son responsible for developing players?

So what is your opinion of the article otherwise, MEP? Anything of merit?

Nope...nothing of merit.....Corneal is a man who is, was, has been and will be influential in the determination of the path that the national team follows, he is after all a Senior FIFA advisor and is on some very select committees. Where was he for the past year while the national team sat idly?

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2011, 09:53:10 PM »
Ah seeing ah Dave Jenny HOF Post here.  Like somebody get pepper put in dey Vaseline.  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2011, 05:30:03 AM »
 This just sounds like racist shit from Coache:   "and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago."

Lets hope the white man gets you to Brazil like the other white man got you to Germany.

So, if it was John Barnes appointed as head coach, he would do exactly the same thing, except he hasn't the coaching ability of Pfister. He'd probably f*** up qualification for 2014. But it would be ok with you coz he's black?

What the f*** has race got to do with it Coache? Take yuh head out yuh ass and see that Independence happened in 1962. You ain't ruled by Brits anymore!

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2011, 05:33:55 AM »
Ahh... German.. Smerman..any knowledgable  coach knows dis is a lost cause..de man come for a change in scenery,free unlimited Digicel,free car,sunshine,free international travel,free food,free board,lots of pocket change,a fat bank book and a lot of chupid people around responding to his every beckon call,no problems.Old fat,white men rule!!They always have and they always will.
Why didn't the Football association and the govt take the same amount of money ..no, half that amount and say they are preparing a team for 2018 world cup? No..the people don't have that kind of vision..they want to fool the public..pilfer their hard earned tax dollars and give it to a white man who wants to get a team of foreigners to reepresent Trinidad and Tobago.This is so that Mr Warner could fill his pockets by selling tickets,airfare and hotel. JACK WARNER is the biggest CROOK in Trinidad he is behind this nonsense it's world cup time and now is the time for him to make lots of money.He has used Trinidad football for his own monetary gain,now he is using the govt for the same reason.Why don't Mr Corneal talk about the real issue.What de hell does the German way have to do with anything? IT IS JACK WARNER'S WAY.

Make your point, but no need to bring race into it.

It have good and bad in every race.

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 07:17:11 PM »
So much people fight me dong about Pisster..where Pisster now..what have Pisster done for Trinidad football? How much money did Pisster make ..I know that he was paid all that was due to him. We playin de German way right now?

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2013, 10:54:51 AM »
So much people fight me dong about Pisster..where Pisster now..what have Pisster done for Trinidad football? How much money did Pisster make ..I know that he was paid all that was due to him. We playin de German way right now?

And? He never had ah remit tuh improve local football, whatever the merits of the choice of coach, He was here to get the men's national team tuh the world cup.... an he fail .... end of! I never hear the man make garuntee about anything tuh the nation.

Even Warner wasn't crazy enough tuh task the man with that job, Pfister is like 200 years old. Yuh doh give longterm project to man that old.

The point people was fightin yuh down on is yuh make it bout race and nationality. 3rd world country been hiring white coaches and coaches from other country since the early days of football, why T&T have to be different? As fuh yuh 'subtle' dig at him being ah freeloader.... well the man make ah decent livin in Africa and the middle east fuh 30 + years. Teams like Ghana, Togo, Cameroon, Cote d'voire and Saudi all taught the man was/is the real deal. Ah never hear them making any comment about him like you.

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2013, 05:36:38 PM »
So much people fight me dong about Pisster..where Pisster now..what have Pisster done for Trinidad football? How much money did Pisster make ..I know that he was paid all that was due to him. We playin de German way right now?

Who fight you down on Otto. People were mostly ambivalent. Otto failed because the the TTFF bungled the whole preparations. Otto never got a full feel for TT football. The socalled special ill-advisor waited almost last minute to bring Otto. Plus Otto had issue with players going Asia to play ball right about qualifying time. How could he have assessed these players with a critical, but yet unbiased eye. TTFF might as well left Latapy to coach.

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2013, 09:23:06 PM »
It's not about the German way..I just don't like foreign coaches full stop..I personally feel that Derek King or Hutson Charles or even Ross Russel should have been given the job and we would have worked things out. If it failed well it would have been a learning experience. Our three best performances in major competitions aside from '74 and '06 were under local leadership. I personally feel that despite our brave showing in 2006 WC many pundits in football were not satisfied because the football that was played was not indicative of our approach to playing the game.
People were more satisfied with Latapy despite the losses. Foreign coaches  tend to not take our football culture into consideration they feel they should have total control.
I must say though that Maturana actually took our football culture into consideration but because their was a language barrier and a trust barrier ..he failed. The main message that was communicated from him was ..total control.

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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2013, 09:27:58 PM »
It's not about the German way..I just don't like foreign coaches full stop..I personally feel that Derek King or Hutson Charles or even Ross Russel should have been given the job and we would have worked things out. If it failed well it would have been a learning experience. Our three best performances in major competitions aside from '74 and '06 were under local leadership. I personally feel that despite our brave showing in 2006 WC many pundits in football were not satisfied because the football that was played was not indicative of our approach to playing the game.
People were more satisfied with Latapy despite the losses. Foreign coaches  tend to not take our football culture into consideration they feel they should have total control.
I must say though that Maturana actually took our football culture into consideration but because their was a language barrier and a trust barrier ..he failed. The main message that was communicated from him was ..total control.

Cyah disagree with this.

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 06:03:57 AM »
People were more satisfied with Latapy despite the losses. Foreign coaches  tend to not take our football culture into consideration they feel they should have total control.

What exactly is our football culture?
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 07:27:29 AM »
Retraction: I misunderstood the Latapy reference as referring to the World Cup. It seems you're referring to his tenure as MNT coach ... in which event, ah have to disagree! Strenuously at that!

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 08:51:45 AM »
De man say Maturana yes:)

Jed you remember Akile Edwards and Hislop (he still playing football??), I had ah handful ah youth ah was coaching at de time in high school (!!!!) who was better than them fellahs!!!!

And ah friggin mean that!! Not no TnT ole talk!

And the licks ah meant was for de topic, not you bredda...Carlos still good, maybe GC will be his last hurrah, leave him be.

I give up, let's stick with local coaches and let them learn on the job, nothing in this life could EVER beat the heartache and disappoint of being beaten by Guyana, so I could take anything they throw at me.

"Practice is the best of all instructors"

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Re: Trying it the German way
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 09:59:16 PM »
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