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Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« on: April 17, 2011, 09:11:21 AM »
US foreign based in particular, talk to mih......ah see Donald Trump went from last in a March poll of possible Republican 2012 candidates (behind Sarah Palin  :o) to top of the list this month tied with Mitt Romney (ah think).....

Now when de man first reach on de scene and start to talk bout Obama birth certificate, me eh take he on....but like the man gaining steam..... :o

So tell mih....wha is mih boy chances in 2012??  Ah know it early in the game but give mih some idea of what word is on de ground in the US nah....thanks....
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2011, 09:53:01 AM »
US foreign based in particular, talk to mih......ah see Donald Trump went from last in a March poll of possible Republican 2012 candidates (behind Sarah Palin  :o) to top of the list this month tied with Mitt Romney (ah think).....

Now when de man first reach on de scene and start to talk bout Obama birth certificate, me eh take he on....but like the man gaining steam..... :o

So tell mih....wha is mih boy chances in 2012??  Ah know it early in the game but give mih some idea of what word is on de ground in the US nah....thanks....

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2011, 09:58:05 AM »
Trump has no chance of winning the Republican nomination... sadly.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2011, 11:17:12 AM »
Donald just looking for publicity to boost ratings for his TV show;and its working. Its his history BTW, its not the first time he has pulled this stunt. He is not electable nationally, and especially not now with this "Tea Party/ birther" slant. He would get so much "pong" for that it would not be funny. It would be the Democrats dream come true if he were to win the Republican nomination.
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2011, 04:27:05 PM »
TRUMP  said if were commander and chief  the US would have  taken Libya's  oil .. and charge the Arab countries 5 billion   to launch attacks on Libya  ....   :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2011, 06:37:45 PM »
I just find de man was sounding so outta timin with he birther talk then to see him climb to the top of heap ah was wondering.......I find electing he would be like electing "W" all over again...... ::)
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2011, 07:33:02 PM »
I just find de man was sounding so outta timin with he birther talk then to see him climb to the top of heap ah was wondering.......I find electing he would be like electing "W" all over again...... ::)

This is just ah popularity poll, not primary numbers... nothing to see here really.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2011, 06:06:28 AM »
I just find de man was sounding so outta timin with he birther talk then to see him climb to the top of heap ah was wondering.......I find electing he would be like electing "W" all over again...... ::)

This is just ah popularity poll, not primary numbers... nothing to see here really.

Boss, if "W" get elected, then who is Donald.....
"...If yuh clothes tear up
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 01:56:05 PM »
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 03:26:02 PM »
I think the that the US Airforce tried that new laser beam on the Donald.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 03:50:12 PM »
Donald is not a winner... and Obummer is a Winner... as americans we must focus on WINNING the future. Tax the rich, give back to the poor, the children & women, we should also honor our immigrant past. I believe in change and I believe in Obummer...  :beermug:

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 05:40:11 PM »
Boss, if "W" get elected, then who is Donald.....

"W" was a whole lot more shrewd a politician than people gave him credit for... that plus the fact that his first victory came a the perfect time, the country was facing a conservative backlash to the excesses of the Clinton years.  Not only did Republicans hold both houses of the Legislature, but the Supreme Court (ideologically, if not politically) and Bush was coming off two successful terms as Texas Governor.  I understand the comparison is being made somewhat facetiously, but there's really no way to compare a political novice like Trump to Bush.  A better comparison would be between Trump and Perot... and how far did Perot ever really get?

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 06:54:37 PM »
I think the that the US Airforce tried that new laser beam on the Donald.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 08:25:17 PM »
the fact that Trump getting so much airtime in spite of his baggage and extensive history as a media whore is a testament to the weakness of the Republican lineup for 2012. Between him and Palin, they sucking up so much oxygen and media time, the wannabe candidates can't get a chance to let voters know who they are.

It seems most of the serious "A list" Republicans holding out to see where the economy and Obama approval ratings end up. As an incumbent, it will be hard to unseat him, and if the economy turning around, it will be even harder... unless they ketch him at a Berlusconi bunga party with a dead hooker and his Kenyan birth certificate.

Right now men studying whether to go through the grind of a presidential campaign or to just wait 4 years, because chances are neither Biden nor Hillary will be running in 2016.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 04:10:23 AM »
Boss, if "W" get elected, then who is Donald.....

"W" was a whole lot more shrewd a politician than people gave him credit for... that plus the fact that his first victory came a the perfect time, the country was facing a conservative backlash to the excesses of the Clinton years.  Not only did Republicans hold both houses of the Legislature, but the Supreme Court (ideologically, if not politically) and Bush was coming off two successful terms as Texas Governor.  I understand the comparison is being made somewhat facetiously, but there's really no way to compare a political novice like Trump to Bush.  A better comparison would be between Trump and Perot... and how far did Perot ever really get?


Ah hear yuh on Bush.  And ah know dey love him in Texas, dais why dey shoulda keep him......
"...If yuh clothes tear up
Or yuh shoes burst off,
You could still jump up when music play.
Old lady, young baby, everybody could dingolay...
Dingolay, ay, ay, ay ay,
Dingolay ay, ay, ay..."

RIP Shadow....The legend will live on in music...

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2011, 08:37:40 AM »
dat fella is pure jokes oui...he say he would be a better candidate than romney because he net worth he make about 10 time more money than romney :D

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2011, 11:15:37 AM »
the fact that Trump getting so much airtime in spite of his baggage and extensive history as a media whore is a testament to the weakness of the Republican lineup for 2012. Between him and Palin, they sucking up so much oxygen and media time, the wannabe candidates can't get a chance to let voters know who they are.

It seems most of the serious "A list" Republicans holding out to see where the economy and Obama approval ratings end up. As an incumbent, it will be hard to unseat him, and if the economy turning around, it will be even harder... unless they ketch him at a Berlusconi bunga party with a dead hooker and his Kenyan birth certificate.

Right now men studying whether to go through the grind of a presidential campaign or to just wait 4 years, because chances are neither Biden nor Hillary will be running in 2016.

completely agree about the weakness of the GOP candidates. ah mean palin, bachmann and gingrich   ::)  dat is a remake of de three stooges.

mho, i don't think anything much is going to change by 2016 for a serious republican candidate. de right are split between gop regulars and de more libertarian tea party. they have a prez dat get called anti-christ and that eh enough to unite de right in opposition. dey have a signature piece of legislation to rail against and that eh enough to unite de right in opposition. de tea party seem to have legs; whomever come have to find a way to appease dem. ah mean, in a sense, w had it simple - all he had to do was join a prayer circle and de evangelicals carried him. dis tea party want all kind of madness - birth certificate, reopen de 9/11 investigation, arrest de bilderberg group - steups.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2011, 11:52:57 AM »
read this on cnn:
Does Trump Take Us For Suckers?

The disappointing thing about most phonies is that they don't have staying power. Once they get caught, they give it up and skulk off into the night, never to be heard from again. Think of Rosie Ruiz, say, who pretended to win the Boston Marathon by sneaking out of a crowd of bystanders ahead of everybody in the last half-mile of the race.
That's why I like Donald Trump so much. When it comes to pretending to run marathons, he never quits.
For more than 20 years he's been periodically popping out of the bushes to declare that he "might" be running for president of the United States, or that he's "considering" it, or even considering it "very seriously," or (his ultimate statement of intent) really thinking about it "more seriously than ever before."
And wouldn't you know it, something always seems to come up at the last minute to change his mind, and he slips back into the bushes, having reaped an incalculable harvest of free publicity as the self-appointed loudmouth of the campaign, leaving behind nothing but the fading smile of the Cheshire Cat -- and of course those lingering questions about why his hair looks so weird.
Now, as the whole world knows, he's at it again, claiming to be "really serious" about "considering" whether to run for president, and planning to announce his decision sometime soon, like, say, in June.
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In the Short Attention Span Theater of American public life, people don't seem to remember that he's said it all before. It was just about a decade ago, in fact, that I interviewed Trump about his latest stated plan to "consider" running for president, and memorialized his malarkey in a cover story for John F. Kennedy Jr.'s magazine, George.
Readers of that article will learn that Trump has been playacting as a presidential contender for roughly the last 25 years, and behind each faux candidacy has been his desire to promote a specific moneymaking opportunity for himself.
In 1987 Trump published a self-celebration entitled "Trump, The Art Of The Deal," and when he hired Republican dirty trickster Roger Stone Jr. to begin floating his name as a possible 1988 presidential contender, the book surged instantly to the top of the best-seller lists.
Thirteen years later, he spotted an opportunity for himself to claim to be interested in running for president on the so-called Reform Party ticket -- a short-lived venture launched and then abandoned by Texas business biggie, H. Ross Perot. Why? As he put it to an editor at George, "It's a great way to raise the rents."
What's his angle this time around? My own best guess is to boost the ratings of his reality TV show, "Celebrity Apprentice," which airs on NBC. The show pays Trump a reported $3 million per episode. MSNBC talk-show host and Trump critic Lawrence O'Donnell is probably exaggerating when he says the show may be the only paying job Trump actually has.
But the truth is, no one is sure what Trump is worth. Forbes magazine puts his current net worth at somewhere around $2.7 billion; a 2005 report from Deutsche Bank put the number at $788 million.
Nor does there seem to be much consistency to his assertion that he's "very conservative" politically. In his pseudo-run for the presidency in 2000, he endorsed universal health care and a 14.25% one-time tax on estates over $10 million to bolster Social Security and Medicare -- two positions that any progressive liberal would support. Today he's against universal health care (at least as enacted by President Obama) and opposes gay marriage, gun control, and abortion.
Bottom line: Put up or shut up time for Trump may now be at hand. Trump reportedly claims to be holding off on a renewal with NBC for his TV show, and driving up his ratings with his pretend-presidential bid may be his way to gain the upper hand in any talks.
But if the strategy doesn't work, and NBC doesn't give him the deal he wants, his bluff will be called. Then he'll have no choice but to declare his candidacy and file a full financial disclosure statement, which is required of all candidates -- a document that could wind up making him the laughingstock of the nation, and at a minimum would have hundreds of reporters combing through it, line by line, for months and even years on end to find out just how much Mister Big Stuff is really worth.
My bet is that, faced with all that, he'll finally take the Rosie Ruiz escape hatch and stop pretending to run in marathons he knows he can't win.
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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2011, 01:15:31 PM »
I was looking for the right place to post this... this thread have Obama name in it so this thread wins.  Here's a link to a phenomenal article about Obama's mother and his childhood... kinda long, but very much worth the read.  I will definitely be getting the book when it come out.


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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2011, 11:41:15 AM »
Poll Finds Lack of Passion for Republican Candidates

By JIM RUTENBERG
 

With less than a year to go before the Iowa caucuses, Republican voters have yet to form strong opinions about most of their potential candidates for president in 2012, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Only those possible contenders who regularly appear on television — or have made bids before — are well known enough to elicit significant views from their fellow Republicans. And of that group, only one, former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, is viewed favorably by more than half of the Republican electorate.

The poll would seem to reflect the late start to the Republican primary season, with many of the major likely candidates seeking to hoard their money and avoid making any missteps that they might have to live with later, when voters go to polls or caucus rooms.

While it may not be unusual for voters’ attention to be focused elsewhere at this stage of a campaign, the survey at the very least provides a reality check for a race that has received frenetic coverage at times on cable news and the Internet even though nearly 60 percent of Republicans cannot point to a single candidate about whom they are enthusiastic, according to the Times/CBS poll.

A host of potential Republican candidates have a lot of work ahead — and money to spend — to make themselves better known to their party faithful and other Americans.

For instance, former Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota may be drawing media attention as a Republican presidential contender, but nearly 80 percent of Republican respondents to the Times/CBS poll said they did not know enough about him to say whether they viewed him favorably or unfavorably (20 percent say they view him positively and 3 percent say they view him negatively).

Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi may be well known along the corridors of K Street — where he was once a lobbyist — and among Washington-based reporters who covered him as a one-time Republican Party chairman. But 85 percent of Republican voters said they did not know enough about him to offer an opinion.

Jon M. Huntsman Jr., who is stepping down as ambassador to China, might take heart that five times as many party members view him favorably as view him unfavorably. But that is just it: literally 5 percent of Republican poll respondents said they viewed him favorably, 1 percent said they viewed him unfavorably and more than 90 percent said they had nothing to say either way because they had not heard enough about him.

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota; Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania drew similar responses.

Sarah Palin, the one-time vice-presidential candidate and former governor of Alaska — who is a regular on Fox News, which the survey said was the television news network most watched by Republicans — is the best known of the possible candidates, according to the poll. She is viewed the least favorably by the general public: Twice as many respondents over all said they had an unfavorable view of her (55 percent) as said they had a favorable view (26 percent).

But her standing among Republican respondents was the polar opposite: About half of Republicans said they viewed her favorably; 26 percent said they viewed her unfavorably.

Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, was not far behind her in terms of name recognition. Among all American voters, he is viewed slightly more positively than negatively, with 28 percent expressing favorable views and 24 percent expressing unfavorable views. Among the poll’s Republican voters, 42 percent said they viewed him favorably and 15 percent said they viewed him unfavorably.

The poll was taken nationally Friday through Wednesday with interviews of 1,116 registered voters and 524 registered Republicans. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all voters and plus or minus four percentage points for Republican voters.

Over all, it showed that Republicans who are considering making presidential bids will have to woo a party that largely identifies with the Tea Party movement — more than half of Republican voters said they considered themselves Tea Party supporters — and has questions about President Obama’s origin of birth.

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.

While that might indicate that there is a receptive audience for the real estate mogul Donald J. Trump as he raises questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship, the poll also pointed to potential roadblocks for him should he pursue a formal candidacy.

Mr. Trump has been getting considerable attention as a possibly strong contender, but just about as many Republicans view him favorably as view him unfavorably — 35 percent favorably and 32 percent unfavorably — and nearly 60 percent of Republicans interviewed said they did not believe he was a serious candidate. (Far more of all voters view him unfavorably — 46 percent — than view him favorably, 25 percent.)

If one Republican stands out in the Times/CBS News poll, it is Mr. Huckabee, who has his own show on the Fox News Channel. Roughly a third of all voters view him favorably, as opposed to a quarter who view him unfavorably. And among Republican voters, more than half view him positively as opposed to 11 percent who have negative views.

“Watching Huckabee on TV gives me a good idea of how he views things,” Floyd Petersen, a disabled contractor in Thompson Falls, Mont., said in a follow-up interview. “TV has made me know him better.”

When Republicans were asked whom they were most enthusiastic about, Mr. Huckabee was the second-most-mentioned candidate, after Mr. Romney. But the percentages were small: 8 percent named Mr. Huckabee, 9 percent named Mr. Romney and 57 percent could not name anyone.

How well a candidate is known at this stage of a campaign is not necessarily a reflection of where they will stand when the race engages in earnest. For instance, at this point four years ago, 77 percent of Republicans surveyed by The New York Times and CBS News said they did not know enough about Mr. Romney to form an opinion of him. Yet he was one of the better-known candidates by the time he dropped out in February 2008.

And the best-known and best-liked candidate at the time of that poll — taken in March 2007 — was former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, whose campaign ultimately fizzled.

As the candidates go about building their organizations and raising money this time around, voters seem content to wait until the first caucuses and primaries get closer before solidifying their opinions.

“Right now. there is not one of the potential Republican candidates that I would be enthusiastic about even if they came out definitely,” John Pollard, a retired deputy sheriff of Tacoma, Wash., said in a follow-up interview. “I’m going to wait and see who runs when we get into the primaries.”


Marina Stefan contributed reporting.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/politics/22republicans.html?_r=1&hp

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2011, 06:51:45 AM »
Boss, if "W" get elected, then who is Donald.....

"W" was a whole lot more shrewd a politician than people gave him credit for... that plus the fact that his first victory came a the perfect time, the country was facing a conservative backlash to the excesses of the Clinton years.  Not only did Republicans hold both houses of the Legislature, but the Supreme Court (ideologically, if not politically) and Bush was coming off two successful terms as Texas Governor.  I understand the comparison is being made somewhat facetiously, but there's really no way to compare a political novice like Trump to Bush.  A better comparison would be between Trump and Perot... and how far did Perot ever really get?


Perot was NOT the Republican candidate though.  If he was, we might be having a different conversation now.   Even as a third party Ross polled about 20% of the vote..giving the Presidency to clinton....they say.  In Oregon and washington he was pulling voters big time from both parties, Time Magazine said he was the next president according to their poll! 

Perot funded hos own campaign and if he did not drop out the race, beCASUE THE  republican party swift boat he ass like they did Mc Cain, lol the man did pay to investigate the Bush family  lol  Called african american  "you people"  and was flip flopping on gays and gay issues, they crucify him. while leading polls in Cali and Texas, he may have done a bigger surprise.   When he re-entered the race, damage was already done.

Ross was MUCH better than Perot...

As for W, the man was an excellent politican, and as I have always said, inarticulate to the max, but NOT dumb as some may feel.

Donald is a clown, I wish he were to win the republican nomination so he could be skewered in the elections!
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2011, 07:03:32 AM »
Poll Finds Lack of Passion for Republican Candidates

By JIM RUTENBERG
 

With less than a year to go before the Iowa caucuses, Republican voters have yet to form strong opinions about most of their potential candidates for president in 2012, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Only those possible contenders who regularly appear on television — or have made bids before — are well known enough to elicit significant views from their fellow Republicans. And of that group, only one, former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, is viewed favorably by more than half of the Republican electorate.

The poll would seem to reflect the late start to the Republican primary season, with many of the major likely candidates seeking to hoard their money and avoid making any missteps that they might have to live with later, when voters go to polls or caucus rooms.

While it may not be unusual for voters’ attention to be focused elsewhere at this stage of a campaign, the survey at the very least provides a reality check for a race that has received frenetic coverage at times on cable news and the Internet even though nearly 60 percent of Republicans cannot point to a single candidate about whom they are enthusiastic, according to the Times/CBS poll.

A host of potential Republican candidates have a lot of work ahead — and money to spend — to make themselves better known to their party faithful and other Americans.

For instance, former Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota may be drawing media attention as a Republican presidential contender, but nearly 80 percent of Republican respondents to the Times/CBS poll said they did not know enough about him to say whether they viewed him favorably or unfavorably (20 percent say they view him positively and 3 percent say they view him negatively).

Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi may be well known along the corridors of K Street — where he was once a lobbyist — and among Washington-based reporters who covered him as a one-time Republican Party chairman. But 85 percent of Republican voters said they did not know enough about him to offer an opinion.

Jon M. Huntsman Jr., who is stepping down as ambassador to China, might take heart that five times as many party members view him favorably as view him unfavorably. But that is just it: literally 5 percent of Republican poll respondents said they viewed him favorably, 1 percent said they viewed him unfavorably and more than 90 percent said they had nothing to say either way because they had not heard enough about him.

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota; Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania drew similar responses.

Sarah Palin, the one-time vice-presidential candidate and former governor of Alaska — who is a regular on Fox News, which the survey said was the television news network most watched by Republicans — is the best known of the possible candidates, according to the poll. She is viewed the least favorably by the general public: Twice as many respondents over all said they had an unfavorable view of her (55 percent) as said they had a favorable view (26 percent).

But her standing among Republican respondents was the polar opposite: About half of Republicans said they viewed her favorably; 26 percent said they viewed her unfavorably.

Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, was not far behind her in terms of name recognition. Among all American voters, he is viewed slightly more positively than negatively, with 28 percent expressing favorable views and 24 percent expressing unfavorable views. Among the poll’s Republican voters, 42 percent said they viewed him favorably and 15 percent said they viewed him unfavorably.

The poll was taken nationally Friday through Wednesday with interviews of 1,116 registered voters and 524 registered Republicans. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all voters and plus or minus four percentage points for Republican voters.

Over all, it showed that Republicans who are considering making presidential bids will have to woo a party that largely identifies with the Tea Party movement — more than half of Republican voters said they considered themselves Tea Party supporters — and has questions about President Obama’s origin of birth.

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.

While that might indicate that there is a receptive audience for the real estate mogul Donald J. Trump as he raises questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship, the poll also pointed to potential roadblocks for him should he pursue a formal candidacy.

Mr. Trump has been getting considerable attention as a possibly strong contender, but just about as many Republicans view him favorably as view him unfavorably — 35 percent favorably and 32 percent unfavorably — and nearly 60 percent of Republicans interviewed said they did not believe he was a serious candidate. (Far more of all voters view him unfavorably — 46 percent — than view him favorably, 25 percent.)

If one Republican stands out in the Times/CBS News poll, it is Mr. Huckabee, who has his own show on the Fox News Channel. Roughly a third of all voters view him favorably, as opposed to a quarter who view him unfavorably. And among Republican voters, more than half view him positively as opposed to 11 percent who have negative views.

“Watching Huckabee on TV gives me a good idea of how he views things,” Floyd Petersen, a disabled contractor in Thompson Falls, Mont., said in a follow-up interview. “TV has made me know him better.”

When Republicans were asked whom they were most enthusiastic about, Mr. Huckabee was the second-most-mentioned candidate, after Mr. Romney. But the percentages were small: 8 percent named Mr. Huckabee, 9 percent named Mr. Romney and 57 percent could not name anyone.

How well a candidate is known at this stage of a campaign is not necessarily a reflection of where they will stand when the race engages in earnest. For instance, at this point four years ago, 77 percent of Republicans surveyed by The New York Times and CBS News said they did not know enough about Mr. Romney to form an opinion of him. Yet he was one of the better-known candidates by the time he dropped out in February 2008.

And the best-known and best-liked candidate at the time of that poll — taken in March 2007 — was former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, whose campaign ultimately fizzled.

As the candidates go about building their organizations and raising money this time around, voters seem content to wait until the first caucuses and primaries get closer before solidifying their opinions.

“Right now. there is not one of the potential Republican candidates that I would be enthusiastic about even if they came out definitely,” John Pollard, a retired deputy sheriff of Tacoma, Wash., said in a follow-up interview. “I’m going to wait and see who runs when we get into the primaries.”


Marina Stefan contributed reporting.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/politics/22republicans.html?_r=1&hp

Them republicans waiting on Fox to choose they candidate for them lol

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 08:47:46 AM »
Perot was NOT the Republican candidate though.  If he was, we might be having a different conversation now.   Even as a third party Ross polled about 20% of the vote..giving the Presidency to clinton....they say.  In Oregon and washington he was pulling voters big time from both parties, Time Magazine said he was the next president according to their poll! 

Perot funded hos own campaign and if he did not drop out the race, beCASUE THE  republican party swift boat he ass like they did Mc Cain, lol the man did pay to investigate the Bush family  lol  Called african american  "you people"  and was flip flopping on gays and gay issues, they crucify him. while leading polls in Cali and Texas, he may have done a bigger surprise.   When he re-entered the race, damage was already done.

Ross was MUCH better than Perot...

As for W, the man was an excellent politican, and as I have always said, inarticulate to the max, but NOT dumb as some may feel.

Donald is a clown, I wish he were to win the republican nomination so he could be skewered in the elections!

That's all fine and good... but the sum of my comparison was their similar backgrounds as political novices coming from the business world.  Additionally, had Perot not contest the elections we have no idea how his 20% would have voted, so we cannot conclude that Perot "gave" the presidency to Clinton.  Dole with his gimpy as wasn't exciting nobody but the Republican base in the red states....  it's unlikely that all 20% of Perot's voters would have voted for Dole rather than Clinton, in the absence of a Perot campaign.

Additionally... he was always running third to Clinton and Dole, he tapped into a disaffected independent base, but in the end he didn't get very far.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2011, 10:48:18 AM »
I beg to differ, initially he was running ahead of both Clinton and Bush..not Dole.  Clinton was thrid in th epolls, and that is why he was dubbed the comeback kid.

Perot was swift boated for his supposed investigation of the Bush family by paid operatives.

Notwithstanding, your comparison of him and Donald is not lost on me, I was just adding my two cents.

the 20% was widely acknowledged by pundits to be influential in swinging it towards Bill Clinton though, and I said "they said so"  not necessarily my opinion as I view it as you do..who can say for sure?
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2011, 10:54:13 AM »
Dole was a distant second to an incumbent Bill Clinton.

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2011, 11:35:58 AM »
April 21, 2011, 9:00 pm

The Danger of Donald Trump

By TIMOTHY EGAN





It’s easy to see why people think Donald Trump has become the Charlie Sheen of the Republican Party. Gluttons for attention, the two share a rare talent at self-promotion, self-delusion and self-immolation. And Sheen now proclaims himself a birther, in league with Trump’s crusade to promote a lie about President Obama that is also believed by nearly half of G.O.P voters.
 
But the more you watch Trump crash around the land, leaving shards of fabrication for the rest of us to sweep up, the more you realize who he’s really like: Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister who has served longer than any leader of his country since Mussolini goose-stepped over bell’Italia.

Gary Coronado/Palm Beach Post, via Associated Press, left; Olivier Morin, via Agence France-Presse — Getty ImagesDonald Trump, left, and Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy
 
The surface matches are compelling. Hair plugs for Berlusconi, a pricey thatch of some sort for Trump. Berlusconi regularly insults women in public. Trump has also publically called at least one woman a “fat pig.” Berlusconi brought sexed-up game shows to Italian television. Trump has a silly “reality” show in which he plays a business mogul. Berlusconi, at 74, socializes with teenage girls. Just shy of his 60th birthday, the thrice-married Trump said that if then-24-year-old Ivanka Trump were not his daughter, “perhaps I’d be dating her.”

When I lived in New York, and later in Italy, I heard many people dismiss these men as a joke. They’re vulgarians — it’s all a sideshow of limos and pouty women with bee-sting lips. But an equally large segment of the population is strangely entranced by Trump and Berlusconi. If Trump is leading in some Republican polls, and Berlusconi still commands a large following despite being on trial for his latest sex scandal, what does it say about an enabling public?
 
Trump’s latest meteor flash explains less about him and more about the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. (Trump, by the way, once compared Reagan to a con man.) In a month’s time, he became the voice in that party of murky lies usually circulated by people with far less money (and even stranger hair).
 
Trump and Berlusconi revel in all those things your mother said not to do. They’re crude, obnoxious, boastful and bullying. They are the opposite of classy. And when they go public with something other than money talk or reality television, it gives the more obvious crazies a measure of validation.

Look: I have Trump-fatigue as much as the next guy. Even Donald is now sick of The Donald who dominated the recent news, saying on Thursday that “I’ve spoken my piece” on the birther issue, and was ready to move on. But he can’t just smash things up and then retreat back into his money, letting “other people clean up the mess,” as F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote of the rich in “The Great Gatsby.” He has to be held accountable for driving American politics further into the sewer.

Consider the case of Marilyn Davenport, the Orange County Republican official who recently forwarded an e-mail with a picture of Barack Obama superimposed on the face of a baby chimpanzee, with a family of simians. The tag line: “Now you know why no birth certificate.” (She apologized Wednesday, after coming under pressure from the N.A.A.C.P.) Would she have felt free to circulate racist mockups among the well-off in Southern California had Trump not opened the door to the false claims that Obama was born in Kenya?
 
Or look at a New York Times/CBS poll released on Thursday, showing that a 47 percent plurality of Republican voters don’t think the president of the United States is an American citizen by birth.

“I’ll tell you, people love this issue — especially Republicans,” Trump said when he started on his birther crusade, vowing to send investigators to Hawaii to get to the bottom of what was settled long ago.
 
The fact-denying block of the Republican party seems to grow daily, thanks to people like Trump. Here, folks: take five minutes and read all of this, a nonpartisan, fact-checked debunking of the birther issue.

By doing that, you’ve done far more than Trump has done. He can’t even get his misinformation right, wrongly claiming on national television that Obama’s grandmother said the president was born in Kenya, or that nobody in Hawaii knew him growing up. Each statement is disproven by a 10-second search of the record.
 
This week, George Stephanopoulos asked Michele Bachmann whether she believed in the birther garbage. She said she had her own personal documentation of birth.

“Well, I have the president’s birth certificate right here,” said Stephanopoulos, producing a document from Hawaii. “It’s certified. It’s got a certification number. It’s got the registration of the state, signed. It’s got a seal on it, and it says, ‘This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.’”
 
Bachmann: “Well, then that should settle it.”
 
Except, it won’t. In true reality-show fashion, Trump has promised some kind of revelation during ratings month in May, about him or Obama. But when pressed this week by a reporter about what his “investigators” had found in Hawaii, he turned churlish and said, “None of your business.”
 
He’s riding this horse because he has nothing else. Not long ago, Trump was pro-choice on abortion, in favor of universal health care by a single-payer, Canadian-style system, and for higher taxes on the rich — all positions he’s since abandoned. It takes a buffoon with multiple media outlets to make Mitt Romney look like a paragon of character and consistency.

But Trump won’t go away, nor will Berlusconi, not so long as we have a need for someone to give voice to our darker angels — and get away with it.
 
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/the-danger-of-donald-trump/?hp

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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
Trump should invest some ah he cash on developing more life life looking toupees

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Re: Obama vs "The Donald" 2012??
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2011, 03:58:29 PM »
I beg to differ, initially he was running ahead of both Clinton and Bush..not Dole.  Clinton was thrid in th epolls, and that is why he was dubbed the comeback kid.

Perot was swift boated for his supposed investigation of the Bush family by paid operatives.

Notwithstanding, your comparison of him and Donald is not lost on me, I was just adding my two cents.

the 20% was widely acknowledged by pundits to be influential in swinging it towards Bill Clinton though, and I said "they said so"  not necessarily my opinion as I view it as you do..who can say for sure?

Dole was a distant second to an incumbent Bill Clinton.

I was thinking of the 1996 campaign... but yeah... throw in 1992 as well for good measure.  Perot didn't even survived the summer 1992 with his lead intact.

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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2011, 12:43:00 PM »
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/us-22424932/trump-obama-wasn-t-qualified-for-ivy-league-25023623.html


Beth Fouhy, Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) -- Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended. Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.

"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."

Obama graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science after transferring from Occidental College in California. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he graduated magna cum laude 1991 and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

Obama's 2008 campaign did not release his college transcripts, and in his best-selling memoir, "Dreams From My Father," Obama indicated he hadn't always been an academic star. Trump told the AP that Obama's refusal to release his college grades were part of a pattern of concealing information about himself.

"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president."

Katie Hogan, a spokeswoman for Obama's re-election campaign, declined to comment.

Trump, a wealthy businessman and reality TV host, has risen to the top of many polls in part by his outspoken call for Obama to release his long form birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has released a certificate of live birth indicating Obama was born there on August 4, 1961, but that has not quelled critics who believe Obama was born outside the United States and is therefore not qualified to be president.

The so-called "birther" controversy has dominated the early stage of the 2012 GOP nominating contest, with Trump leading the charge.

"I have more people that are excited about the fact that I reinvigorated this whole issue," Trump said, adding "the last guy (Obama) wants to run against is Donald Trump."

Trump is scheduled to travel to the early primary states of New Hampshire and Nevada this week and said he will make a final decision about a presidential bid by June.
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Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2011, 01:09:24 PM »
Obama not qualified to be President either!
But in Obama defense, Bush was not the sharpest tool in the shed. 
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