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Offline royal

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Bond Rating Downgrade
« on: May 01, 2015, 09:49:00 AM »
Moody's Investors Service downgrades T&T govt's bond rating and issuer rating to Baa2 from Baa1, changes the outlook to negative from stable - Express

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Moodys-just-downgraded-TTs-credit-rating-302156701.html
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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2015, 09:52:50 AM »
I await the spin doctors.
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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 12:59:06 AM »

Minister of Finance dismissed this rating. He said it's not a true reflection of T&T economic fundamentals.  :)

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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 05:59:23 AM »

Minister of Finance dismissed this rating. He said it's not a true reflection of T&T economic fundamentals.  :)

Typical response.  Had the rating been positive you would hear them boasting about it being the result of PP policy and that the praise from Moody's is an acknowledgement from a respected agency that the PP has the country on the right track. But a negative rating...."who is this Moody??".."they don't know what they're talking 'bout"  ::)

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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 07:45:32 AM »
It's Rowley fault! Somehow...

But in all seriousness, Moody's reasoning is a damning indictment of the government's policies. Howai could disagree all he wants but if the other shoe drop and S&P do the same thing, what will be the excuse then?

BTW, how is the Heritage Stabilization Fund managed? Do we just put aside money in a bank account or do we do we invest directly and actively like the sovereign wealth funds for Middle East states like Qatar/UAE/Saudi?

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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2015, 04:01:30 PM »
Moody is a PNM establishment long time 😱
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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2015, 11:17:48 AM »
STEUPS from d time I see dem cookin d books to come up with ah surplus I know it would come back to bitedem in d arse, dese people only exportin money from d treasury to god only knows where and packing state institutions with people dat gettin paid to file dey ,all d while receiving ridiculous salaries.......... jwala bring 250 such near do wells in central bank even while funneling millions in foreign exchange out d system and effectively putting d economy at great risk..............dis election can't come fas enough................and rowley better watch he back, it have stone killers in dat band of thieves
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I pity the fool....

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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2015, 01:56:19 PM »
Sadly I don't think this means much to the general public until it affects them personally like increase interest rates. As long as dey getting something dey happy. Right now is baby grant.

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2015, 06:02:58 PM »
Study if the lady carries it down to the last like it seems like she would do... Then it means elections September 17th. Time which ever party forms government and ministries assigned and such a budget needs to be passed by the end of the fiscal year. Which is September 30th. Now how can a prudent budget be done under these circumstances?
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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2015, 07:17:58 PM »
Study if the lady carries it down to the last like it seems like she would do... Then it means elections September 17th. Time which ever party forms government and ministries assigned and such a budget needs to be passed by the end of the fiscal year. Which is September 30th. Now how can a prudent budget be done under these circumstances?

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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2015, 12:52:17 PM »
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/-HOW-things-go-from-stable-to-negative-302319721.html?m=y&smobile=y

Unless we prefer to keep our heads in the sand of state-sponsored spin, we will admit that Moody’s has told us nothing that we shouldn’t have already known about the government’s management of the economy.  In downgrading T&T’s Government bond rating and issuer rating to Baa2 from Baa1, and changing the outlook from stable to negative, Moody’s has merely confirmed the logical consequences of electioneering economics. Having floated into office on a platform of change, the People’s Partnership Government (PPG) wasted no time in breaking faith with the electorate by choosing the soft option of appeasement over the more demanding imperative of transformation. The signal was clear from the very first budget delivered by Winston Dookeran in September 2010 and thereafter underscored in successive budgets as well as the Prime Minister’s political appointments to State enterprises. It was clear that this was to be no Government of change. What it intended was to milk the oil and gas economy for all it was worth in order to buy the next vote. This is the real story behind the drivers identified by Moody’s in delivering the downgrade: persistent fiscal deficits, limited economic diversification, lack of a medium-term fiscal strategy, and inadequate provision of vital macroeconomic data. As indicting as these would appear, they represent not failures of PPG economic policy but the key elements of a Government strategy that prioritises the political agenda over T&T’s economic well-being. While there is nothing inherently wrong with choosing to run a fiscal deficit, governments should present reasoned arguments for doing so. The onus is on the Minister of Finance to explain precisely how a temporary deficit over a defined period will achieve an objective that is crucial to the permanent economic and/or social viability of the country.  It is therefore not enough simply to hand out laptops, baby grants, CEPEP jobs and so on but to explain, in precise terms, what problems are being addressed by such expenditure, and how solving the problems will accrue to the national interest in some quantifiable measure. Nothing of the sort has occurred.  Devoid of any social investment strategy, the Government’s social support programme is digging us deeper into an expanding welfare pit with scary consequences when national income runs low. In recent history, this is what happened throughout the first half of the 1970s and the 1980s into 1990 when the society’s competing claims for the economy’s limited resources spilled blood onto the streets. The Government’s obsession with vote-getting has transformed even its economic diversification strategy into welfare because of inadequate linkages to the rest of the economy and the failure to reform a financial system that rewards foreign exchange-dependent merchants and traders instead of domestic producers and entrepreneurs who have export potential.  One example of the Government’s misguided approach to economic diversification involves the Creative sector which was singled out for its high diversification potential. The sectoral management plan is now in virtual free-fall. Having disbanded and scrapped the T&T Film Company and T&T Entertainment Company, the Government established an entirely new State enterprise, CreativeTT (Trinidad and Tobago Creative Industries Co Ltd) to oversee several new sub-entities including FilmTT, MusicTT and FashionTT, each with its own board.  Today, with precious little to show for money already spent, CreativeTT is without a board following resignations and dismissals. In its short life, FilmTT has also been through about three incarnations of its board. And so it goes: unnecessary, unproductive and destructive upheaval due to inadequate consultation, limited understanding of the creative sector and community, a preference for political appointees over experts, poor planning and ineffective management. The Government’s political priorities also explain the lack of a medium-term fiscal strategy, identified by Moody’s as one of the drivers of its decision to downgrade.  When politics trumps economics, the needs of the short-term over-ride those of the medium and long term, making vaps and voops the order of the day.  A Government operating in vote-getting mode has little place for public sector planners and other professionals trained to be guided by data and working for the national interest.  Everything and everyone is required to submit to the service of the almighty political interest. As long as T&T is flush with petro-money, nobody has a problem. Not even the highly-quoted Moody’s. It is only when money begins to run scarce that alarm bells go off.  In a back-handed way, when it comes to the Heritage and Stabilisation Fund, the political agenda is now working against the public interest. Moody’s has taken the financially logical position that the fund should be used to compensate for the fall in energy income.  The Government, however, understands the serious political implications of dipping into a Fund that has become an important public symbol of protection against the Government’s wanton spending. To go there now is to cross the last line of resistance and admit to crisis. Without a dramatic increase in the price of oil to plaster over our cracks, we should all be worried about the economic outlook. The Central Bank’s repeated comment about the economy approaching full capacity is really a statement about the failure to grow the economy beyond the limits of oil and gas. In a context where even the non-energy sector depends on the energy economy, no one can afford to feel insulated. With the US federal funds interest rate expected to increase to around one per cent later this year, domestic demand for US dollars is likely to intensify well beyond current high demand levels. When that happens, the implications of Moody’s comment about T&T’s low level of economic resilience will become starkly clear to all.
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Re: Bond Rating Downgrade
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2015, 12:56:07 PM »
Saw this on a next forum and posting it here as food for thought:

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Our expenditure has increased every year since 2010 The increases outpaced the revenue growth by a total of about 34B for the period.

So 2005 to 2009 PNM last 5 years Total Revenue was 183B Total Exp 186B a 5yr deficit of 3.4B
2010-2015 UNC 5 years Total Revenue was 291B Total Exp 324B a 5 yr deficit of 33.9B

Average (for the 5 years in power) Revenue under the PNM was 36.6B and Avg exp 37.3B.
under the UNC Average Rev was 58.2B and Avg Exp was 64.99B

The numbers indicate that from 2011 budget the UNC spent more in this year than they made in next years Rev. EG: They spent 49B in 2011 and 2012 REV was 47B...spent 54B in 2012 and 2013 REV 50.7B

In our life that means we spend next years raise this year-every year.

So despite having the larger increases in year over year revenue the UNC was still unwilling to manage their books and manage spending.

If we run our lives in the same way-what would be the result???
The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today are Christians who acknowledge Jesus ;with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

 

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